Re: F-SCAM ! (the problem is the practitioner)

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Hi Damarise,

You are correct. There is a great deal of conflicting and confusing data

regarding Lyme, in both mainstream and alternative health fields. It's a maze

out there, and that's why one needs to have extra caution regarding the

viability of all data and treatments.

BTW - I did NOT say that the F-Scan cannot work. I have no feedback on its

efficacy at all. It potentially could work, in the hands of someone who knows

how to use it properly. But - as I understand it, the software for the F-Scan is

designed a bit differently than other types of EDS devices, and does not work in

the same manner.

The F-Scan supposedly gets effective " frequency hits " , to use with the device.

If one trusts that the Jeff Sutherland frequencies attributed to various

ailments are correct, then one can deduce that " hits " would indicate a spedific

disease associated with that frequency. Again - I have no feedback on whether

the F-Scan works as purported by the manufacturer. It is basically a high end

frequency generator with a few attachments. That's it.

What I originally posted about, and objected to, was the determination by the

pratitioner who conducted the F-Scan in question. I pointed out my concerns in

my comments under " red flags " . Info was supplied by that practitioner, regarding

the morphology of Bb, that is patently FALSE.

So, my problem is with the practitioner - not the device.

- Jane

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> > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@>

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> > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM

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> > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as

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> > " Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in

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> > cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms

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> > in cyst form said yes cause its in the nerve ending. "

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> > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.

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> > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in

the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research

on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New

Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject -

anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of

corroboration.

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> > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are

located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program

that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be

ANYWHERE in the body.

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> > 3. This patient just recently herxed VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil

machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms

do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by

rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.

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> > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they

don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective.

The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies

on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can

be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of

the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.

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> > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies

listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies

have many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.

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> > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One

area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or " EDS " .

It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.

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> > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this

modality and devices associated with it:

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> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086

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> > http://www.oirf.com/index.html

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> > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from

a number of sources. To find a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to

referrals, is provcided on the above website.

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jane this doctors does this and sees this on a day in day out basis i think they have more of an understanding to this device then you and i and how and what it does based on there experience...I cannot and willnt discredit them as the basis of your opinion in reality has no merit as you havent seen how the machine works and you have no idea on its true effectiveness as you arent a doc who uses this on a day by day bases in there practice and are able to see its accuracy in being able to diagnose infections..What grounds would this practioner have to give me a bunch of bull they arent treating with there rife they are aware i will be treating myself with the coil they are only going to direct me on what to treat first,for how long to treat per session,how to detox properly,herb usage etc... I dont see where you are going with this.You are reading articles but

do you have any idea on the writers experience with the scanner .Do they use it everyday in clinical practice to make claims it cant do this or that..Byron Rosner makes claims are they trusted claims ?Is he a doc who uses what he talks about on a regular basis or is he baseing his assumptions on what a few have told him...I thiunk based on clinical experience weighs more into basing things on just purely word of mouth

Subject: Re: F-SCAM ! (the problem is the practitioner)To: Lyme_and_Rife Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 4:06 PM

Hi Damarise,You are correct. There is a great deal of conflicting and confusing data regarding Lyme, in both mainstream and alternative health fields. It's a maze out there, and that's why one needs to have extra caution regarding the viability of all data and treatments.BTW - I did NOT say that the F-Scan cannot work. I have no feedback on its efficacy at all. It potentially could work, in the hands of someone who knows how to use it properly. But - as I understand it, the software for the F-Scan is designed a bit differently than other types of EDS devices, and does not work in the same manner.The F-Scan supposedly gets effective "frequency hits", to use with the device. If one trusts that the Jeff Sutherland frequencies attributed to various ailments are correct, then one can deduce that "hits" would indicate a spedific disease associated with that frequency. Again - I have no feedback on whether the F-Scan works as

purported by the manufacturer. It is basically a high end frequency generator with a few attachments. That's it.What I originally posted about, and objected to, was the determination by the pratitioner who conducted the F-Scan in question. I pointed out my concerns in my comments under "red flags". Info was supplied by that practitioner, regarding the morphology of Bb, that is patently FALSE.So, my problem is with the practitioner - not the device.- Jane> > >

> > > > > > From: its_just_talk <its_just_talk@>> > > Subject: F-SCAM !> > > To: Lyme_and_Rife > > > Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012, 8:57 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > So sorry - but imo, anyone who gets a report from a practitioner, such as the following, beware:> > > > > > "Ok had fscaned done results are I have . . . Lyme only in> > > cyst but lots a cysts,and . . . asked if Lyme could cause symptoms> > > in cyst form said yes cause its in the

nerve ending."> > > > > > IMO - Rubbish. Total Rubbish.> > > > > > Red flags:> > > > > > 1. Lyme cysts do NOT produce symptoms. This is a FACT that is understood in the Lyme research community. Cysts are dormant, as proven via in vitro research on the various morphs of Lyme at two leading universities: Stony Brook and New Haven (and elsewhere). There is much scientific evidence on this subject - anyone interested can do a google search and come up with a lot of corroboration.> > > > > > 2. Also - how in the world does that practitioner know where cysts are located in the body? No way. I am in serious doubt that the F-Scan has a program that can detect just EXACTLY WHERE Lyme cysts are located. They can literally be ANYWHERE in the body.> > > > > > 3. This patient just recently herxed

VERY STRONGLY at 432 Hz. using the coil machine, absolutely indicating ACTIVE Lyme in spirochete form. Cysts and L-forms do not respond to 432 Hz., as they have NO CELL WALL, and CANNOT be affected by rife, as is currently understood by the rife community.> > > > > > No one has a frequency for cyts and L-forms that is proven to work (they don't!), though the CAFL does list some. That does not mean they are effective. The CAFL is NOT the last word on frequencies. If one reads just how frequencies on the CAFL were compiled (from anyone, anywhere who reported results), it can be ascertained that this method is totally arbitrary and non-scientific. Some of the frequencies on the CAFL do work, some are just a lot of nonsense.> > > > > > What I have found, in the case of Lyme, is that many of the frequencies listed for it on the CAFL, may actually work for the coinfections. As Lymies have

many infections at once, therein lies the confusion.> > > > > > There are biofeedback devices that can truly work to diagnose disease. One area of this growing field, is referred to as electrodermal screening, or "EDS". It incorporates devices utilizing the galvanic skin response for diagnosis.> > > > > > The following are a couple of links I have in my files describing this modality and devices associated with it:> > > > > > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1086> > > > > > http://www.oirf.com/index.html> > > > > > BTW - I have excellent reports on the MORA device for detecting disease from a number of sources. To find

a practitioner: contact info, possibly leading to referrals, is provcided on the above website.> > > > > > - Jane> > >>