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Hi Avesey,

Yes, it is the illness talking. And you can't reason with illness. Her

self-hatred is just ooozing out onto you. Stepping back further and setting a

clear boundary is what seems to work best -- not logic and reasoning. I know

it hurts very badly to be treated like that, but it's not about you at all --

it's all about her and her state of mind.

My son had a very insightful comment once about a (probably) BPD boss that he

had -- my son said " He's so miserable that it just oozes out of his mouth " .

I'm reading a very helpful book: " Legacy of the Heart - The Spiritual

Advantages of a Painful Childhood " by Wayne Muller. It has helped me a lot to

understand more about the pain I experienced from an emotionally abusive fada.

Taking it personally doesn't help me and trying to reason with him doesn't help

him, so I just step backwards, after stating simply and succinctly that I won't

take that kind of abuse ever again.

Take time to be good to yourself, love and reassure yourself and then make the

necessary steps to take care of yourself in the future. You're worth it!

AZClown

Hello Again - Setback

I've been on this group for a while but haven't really participated for

a long time. I was just reading some posts because I've had an

emotional setback and I'm trying to get myself straight again. For the

past two years I've done really well not reacting to my mother's

comments which has allowed us to get along for the longest time I can

remember. Then came the holidays and it's aftermath .. the result ..

an email from my mom that just set me back. I won't bore you with the

details.

I noticed some of the responses suggest ignoring the written comments

as they are bait (that fits). But I'm just having such a hard time

keeping the esteem-shattering thoughts out of my brain. I know it's

not me. I know it's the illness. I know I'm not the evil-no-good person

she makes me out to be. I just need to get the thoughts out. I know

it's a broad question, but how do you all cope with these setbacks?

Avesey

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This sounds exactly like what happens to me. At 42, after years of

dealing with her, and limited contact, I have " setbacks " when I see

her in person. I reel from them and it takes me a couple of weeks

to get the anxiety and guilt at bay. One thing that helps me

immediately is to call one or two of my close friends, who totally

get it. They listen and reassure me that she's nuts and I'm not.

Then I read some self help books and try to focus on my life, my

current life, and my wonderful child. It is very hard. My recent

setback came after a New Year's visit, and has really prompted me to

consider NC. My mother is 70 and my dad died one year ago, so I

don't know if I can do that or not, but this last setback made me

realize that I may have to, for my own sanity. I also " realized "

(for the 500th time) during this last " argument " /trip down guilt

lane with her, that there is NO REASON for me to argue with her.

She simply denies things she's done that were hurtful and abusive.

SHE is the victim and it is all about her. I had started seeing a

therapist right before TG, and I'm finding this is helpful as well.

I've been in therapy before, but somehow this is different. I've

done a lot of " the work " before, but I really need to change my

thinking. While it's helpful for me to consider how to handle her

by setting boundaries, limiting contact, etc., at this point in my

life I realize that my major battle with her is in my head.

Although I'm a high functioning, " successful " person, and a good

mother (Thank God), I still see myself in many ways thru her lens

and the world thru her pessimism.

Sorry to ramble, but your words resonated with me.

I know how you feel.

Joanna

In WTOAdultChildren1 , " avesey69 "

wrote:

>

> I've been on this group for a while but haven't really

participated for

> a long time. I was just reading some posts because I've had an

> emotional setback and I'm trying to get myself straight again.

For the

> past two years I've done really well not reacting to my mother's

> comments which has allowed us to get along for the longest time I

can

> remember. Then came the holidays and it's aftermath .. the

result ..

> an email from my mom that just set me back. I won't bore you with

the

> details.

>

> I noticed some of the responses suggest ignoring the written

comments

> as they are bait (that fits). But I'm just having such a hard

time

> keeping the esteem-shattering thoughts out of my brain. I know

it's

> not me. I know it's the illness. I know I'm not the evil-no-good

person

> she makes me out to be. I just need to get the thoughts out. I

know

> it's a broad question, but how do you all cope with these

setbacks?

>

> Avesey

>

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I think there's a reason this site really heats up from November to

February--holidays, family reunions and general winter blues seem to be bringing

many of us on here daily (when I was home with nada for ten days on was on here

about six times a day!!)

The setbacks can be SO frustrating. You work and work to work through issues

in therapy, try your best to be a good mom/ wife/ girlfriend/ friend and then an

upsetting encounter with nada can flip your whole world inside out. My stepdad

left my nada ten days ago and I'm trying, with all my might, to cling to my

normal life and routines through the aftermath and to not let her hijack my

consciousness yet again. She's been calling and e-mailing me constantly, she's

contacted several parents of friends of mine (people she barely knows--she just

wants to spread her sob story and smear stepdad), she called me at midnight last

night and 5:45 am today leaving delusional, paranoid messages about how she

'knows' I'm in league with my stepdad to try to take the house from her, I just

keep trying to take deep breaths, to go on walks, to force myself to sit down

and read (one annoying consequence of my setbacks is that I lose my ability to

concentrate for longer than a few minutes

at a time), to drink tea, to post on this website, to read and contemplate

books like " Understanding the Borderline Mother " , it takes an inordinate amount

of time and patience but coming back to center is possible it just takes hard

work and resilience--I've built mine up over time.

I used to suffer setbacks constantly, the tiniest thing could trigger it,

negative feedback from a boss, a particularly angsty and sad voicemail from nada

etc. I now focus on the positives as much as I can, I self-reflect and talk

with my friends and I often find myself faking cheerful moods until they become

real. It sounds silly but it really works for me--if I force myself to laugh or

talk about something small and inconsequential, it seems to get my brain back on

track quickly-

joannaandsophie wrote:

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This sounds exactly like what happens to me. At 42, after years of

dealing with her, and limited contact, I have " setbacks " when I see

her in person. I reel from them and it takes me a couple of weeks

to get the anxiety and guilt at bay. One thing that helps me

immediately is to call one or two of my close friends, who totally

get it. They listen and reassure me that she's nuts and I'm not.

Then I read some self help books and try to focus on my life, my

current life, and my wonderful child. It is very hard. My recent

setback came after a New Year's visit, and has really prompted me to

consider NC. My mother is 70 and my dad died one year ago, so I

don't know if I can do that or not, but this last setback made me

realize that I may have to, for my own sanity. I also " realized "

(for the 500th time) during this last " argument " /trip down guilt

lane with her, that there is NO REASON for me to argue with her.

She simply denies things she's done that were hurtful and abusive.

SHE is the victim and it is all about her. I had started seeing a

therapist right before TG, and I'm finding this is helpful as well.

I've been in therapy before, but somehow this is different. I've

done a lot of " the work " before, but I really need to change my

thinking. While it's helpful for me to consider how to handle her

by setting boundaries, limiting contact, etc., at this point in my

life I realize that my major battle with her is in my head.

Although I'm a high functioning, " successful " person, and a good

mother (Thank God), I still see myself in many ways thru her lens

and the world thru her pessimism.

Sorry to ramble, but your words resonated with me.

I know how you feel.

Joanna

In WTOAdultChildren1 , " avesey69 "

wrote:

>

> I've been on this group for a while but haven't really

participated for

> a long time. I was just reading some posts because I've had an

> emotional setback and I'm trying to get myself straight again.

For the

> past two years I've done really well not reacting to my mother's

> comments which has allowed us to get along for the longest time I

can

> remember. Then came the holidays and it's aftermath .. the

result ..

> an email from my mom that just set me back. I won't bore you with

the

> details.

>

> I noticed some of the responses suggest ignoring the written

comments

> as they are bait (that fits). But I'm just having such a hard

time

> keeping the esteem-shattering thoughts out of my brain. I know

it's

> not me. I know it's the illness. I know I'm not the evil-no-good

person

> she makes me out to be. I just need to get the thoughts out. I

know

> it's a broad question, but how do you all cope with these

setbacks?

>

> Avesey

>

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I know it can be very hard. The best way I have found for myself is to tell

myself that I will be there with myself no matter what, no matter how intense

the thoughts get. That sometimes cuts down on them a little.-- It does not

help me when I tell myself I have to change or get rid of them, that puts more

pressure.-- Don't know if this helps, but I wish you lots of love inside to

help with the thoughts. Maureen.

Hello Again - Setback

I've been on this group for a while but haven't really participated for

a long time. I was just reading some posts because I've had an

emotional setback and I'm trying to get myself straight again. For the

past two years I've done really well not reacting to my mother's

comments which has allowed us to get along for the longest time I can

remember. Then came the holidays and it's aftermath .. the result ..

an email from my mom that just set me back. I won't bore you with the

details.

I noticed some of the responses suggest ignoring the written comments

as they are bait (that fits). But I'm just having such a hard time

keeping the esteem-shattering thoughts out of my brain. I know it's

not me. I know it's the illness. I know I'm not the evil-no-good person

she makes me out to be. I just need to get the thoughts out. I know

it's a broad question, but how do you all cope with these setbacks?

Avesey

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I know this probably isn't the most mature thing to do, but when I

endure a particularly painful incident with the Nada, I usually try to

talk with some friends about it... joke if I can. If I can get with

them to the point where I am joking about it (and most Nada's behavior

is so completely absurd that it might be humorous in the right

context)then that really helps me feel a bit better.

Have you seen the show " Arrested Development " ? The main character is

abused and manipulated by his family, but the show is hilarious. He is

the only one who is sane, but always gets all the blame. I usually

talk things out with friends until I can get a little perspective on

my own, absolutely idiotic, family situation.

>

> I've been on this group for a while but haven't really participated for

> a long time. I was just reading some posts because I've had an

> emotional setback and I'm trying to get myself straight again. For the

> past two years I've done really well not reacting to my mother's

> comments which has allowed us to get along for the longest time I can

> remember. Then came the holidays and it's aftermath .. the result ..

> an email from my mom that just set me back. I won't bore you with the

> details.

>

> I noticed some of the responses suggest ignoring the written comments

> as they are bait (that fits). But I'm just having such a hard time

> keeping the esteem-shattering thoughts out of my brain. I know it's

> not me. I know it's the illness. I know I'm not the evil-no-good person

> she makes me out to be. I just need to get the thoughts out. I know

> it's a broad question, but how do you all cope with these setbacks?

>

> Avesey

>

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I think this is a very mature thing to do. You are process what

happened with people who support you, and trying to make a joke of

it probably alleviates some of the stress. I have to watch that

show.

Sylvia

>

> I know this probably isn't the most mature thing to do, but when I

> endure a particularly painful incident with the Nada, I usually

try to

> talk with some friends about it... joke if I can. If I can get with

> them to the point where I am joking about it (and most Nada's

behavior

> is so completely absurd that it might be humorous in the right

> context)then that really helps me feel a bit better.

>

> Have you seen the show " Arrested Development " ? The main character

is

> abused and manipulated by his family, but the show is hilarious.

He is

> the only one who is sane, but always gets all the blame. I usually

> talk things out with friends until I can get a little perspective

on

> my own, absolutely idiotic, family situation.

>

>.....

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