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Hi all ,

I just wanted to post about something I was witness to this past Sunday. I have

always felt

that my nada would not be abusive to my son but i know that she has definitely

pushed it

in this area. this past weekend really is making my rethink how much time I

allow my son

to spend alone with nada.

I was at the movie theater when i heard a young boy( 9 or 10) becoming anxious.

i could

not hear much but this is what i did witness. An older woman (grandmother age)

was

getting napkins and snacks with her grand-daughter and grandson. The boy was

upset

about something to do with his snack and wanted the lid put back on something

(nacho

sauce?) before they went into the theater. Never heard the older child 12 or 13

say a word

or raise her voice at all. All of a sudden the grandmother starts cursing and

raising her

voice quite a bit yelling at them about she is done listening to all this damn

fighting and

she throws a bag on the ground and continues to rage and rail at the younger

child

making him cry. I was just appalled. I wondered if these children's parents

realize how

poorly this woman is treating their children?

I have seen a bunch of posts from all of you talking about how your nada has a

great

relationship with your children and how much better they treat their grandkids

than they

ever treated us. So my question is this...How do we know this is true?

I for one will be watching my sons interactions with nada more closely and

watching his

behavior when he returns from any unsupervised time with her.

One the ponder...

Carla

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Carla, I think you are right on target and it took me a few years to

truly see how mean my FADA in-law was toward my 4 sons, who range in

age from 8-18. Every time we saw him, he would say something

completely inappropriate and the family would gloss over it because

that's how they were raised--not to question the king. But it would

stick in my craw for years! Since I was not a doting subject, this

caused FADA-in-law to direct much of his rage toward me, buffering

his child, my H. I can remember a time where my 3 yr old had

accidentally made a crayon mark on the seat of grandFADA's car.

(This child was bored out of his mind as we finished a day of

shopping with a trip to the graveyard to see dead old drunk

relatives!). When grandFADA saw the mark, he " jokingly " said " What

the hell did you do to my car? " My child was scared and offended at

being yelled at for an accident and stuck his tongue out quickly in

response, behind GrandFADA's back. GrandFADA spotted him in the rear

view mirror and responded " I'll rip your damn tongue out of your

goddam mouth, boy! " Following this, the guy brushed it off as the

child overreacting and not being able to take a joke. The child was

three years old!!! They have never been close and it's no wonder.

Fast forward 9 years and countless similar incidents and we come to

the crowning moment where I finally put my foot down permanently. We

were all at a family party and GrandFADA had promised to take my 2

youngest (6 and 10) to sleep over his house that night and then to a

movie the next day. This was a RARE occurence that he and my NADA-in

law were actually making an offer to be grandparently... During the

party, the man had had one too many drinks and I called off the over-

nighter. He proceeded to escort my boys to his car and started the

ignition. I had to physically force my way into the car and take my

sons out. At that time, my H was still in denial about his alcoholic

FADA and his selfish, narcisstic, enabling waif of a mother. Watching

him attempt to take my children and drive them drunk was the final

straw and no one could argue this point, finally! I decided that day

to detach 100%. No one spoke a word about it, but the family knew

from that day that he had crossed a line and would never be trusted

by me or with the care of my children. It didn't take long for FADA

to spin out of control and with me detached and no longer there for

him to abuse, he reverted to abusing my H more than usual and now

they are finally NC. His waif wife doesn't even bother to call to see

if we are alive-- she's such a waste of a mother.

So, I do not see BPDs being better grandparents than they are

parents. Certainly, they can talk the talk, but their true colors

shine through. My children do not even miss seeing these people,

which is a sad way for kids to view their grandparents.

~Elle

>

> Hi all ,

>

> I just wanted to post about something I was witness to this past

Sunday. I have always felt

> that my nada would not be abusive to my son but i know that she has

definitely pushed it

> in this area. this past weekend really is making my rethink how

much time I allow my son

> to spend alone with nada.

>

> I was at the movie theater when i heard a young boy( 9 or 10)

becoming anxious. i could

> not hear much but this is what i did witness. An older woman

(grandmother age) was

> getting napkins and snacks with her grand-daughter and grandson.

The boy was upset

> about something to do with his snack and wanted the lid put back on

something (nacho

> sauce?) before they went into the theater. Never heard the older

child 12 or 13 say a word

> or raise her voice at all. All of a sudden the grandmother starts

cursing and raising her

> voice quite a bit yelling at them about she is done listening to

all this damn fighting and

> she throws a bag on the ground and continues to rage and rail at

the younger child

> making him cry. I was just appalled. I wondered if these

children's parents realize how

> poorly this woman is treating their children?

>

> I have seen a bunch of posts from all of you talking about how your

nada has a great

> relationship with your children and how much better they treat

their grandkids than they

> ever treated us. So my question is this...How do we know this is

true?

>

> I for one will be watching my sons interactions with nada more

closely and watching his

> behavior when he returns from any unsupervised time with her.

>

> One the ponder...

>

> Carla

>

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Hi again all,

I have definitely seen those of you that cut off or limited relations due to the

abuse transferring to the next generation. I also know I have seen at least two

or three in the

past week that feel the nadal/fada are ok with the grandkids. i guess I just

was debating

about sharing this incident with all of you and that is what clenched it for me.

I also agree with (katie?) that the abuse doesn't really start til the

grandchild surpasses the

emotional age of their grandnada/fada. My son was frequently ill as a

baby/toddler due to

food allergies. When he was about two and half my nada came out to help care for

him for

almost two weeks. He was sooo sickly that she spent most of her time rocking him

and

singing to him. She was great with him on that visit. Flash forward less than

a year when

he was completely better and an extremely energetic pre-schooler. She was

overwhelmed

and could not handle his energy levels. I can say that their relationship has

just gone down

hill from there. She loves him but does not know how to deal with a child that

is fully

expressed as he is.

I guess the whole point of bringing up this thread is as much for myself as

everyone else.

Just because nada/fada seems loving toward their grandkids does not mean we can

relax

our vigilance in this regard. Being witness to this incident was just a

reminder.

xoxo Carla

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My nada and the grandkids are fine if you call putting them infront

of the TV with soda and all the crap they can eat fine.

Oh and let the 8 year old walk the 4 year old, 10 blocks away to the

public pool by themselves, and then let them swim by themselves even

though the 4 year old couldn't swim a lick. When I confronted her,

she got pissed, and said " there was a LIFEGUARD on duty " , like I was

the ONE being ridiculas!!!

oh and taking my baby across state line(the night before Easter,

after she guilted me into letting her have him)to go to the car

races WITHOUT asking me, without any ear protection, a coat,

gloves. When I go to get the car seat out of their car, it has a

half gallon of tequila in it, along with a salt shaker, and empty

beer cans.

Oh and smoking holding the babies too......and making you feel like

a heel for asking her not to.

I could go on and on.......drlingirl

>

> Hi all ,

>

> I just wanted to post about something I was witness to this past

Sunday. I have always felt

> that my nada would not be abusive to my son but i know that she

has definitely pushed it

> in this area. this past weekend really is making my rethink how

much time I allow my son

> to spend alone with nada.

>

> I was at the movie theater when i heard a young boy( 9 or 10)

becoming anxious. i could

> not hear much but this is what i did witness. An older woman

(grandmother age) was

> getting napkins and snacks with her grand-daughter and grandson.

The boy was upset

> about something to do with his snack and wanted the lid put back

on something (nacho

> sauce?) before they went into the theater. Never heard the older

child 12 or 13 say a word

> or raise her voice at all. All of a sudden the grandmother starts

cursing and raising her

> voice quite a bit yelling at them about she is done listening to

all this damn fighting and

> she throws a bag on the ground and continues to rage and rail at

the younger child

> making him cry. I was just appalled. I wondered if these

children's parents realize how

> poorly this woman is treating their children?

>

> I have seen a bunch of posts from all of you talking about how

your nada has a great

> relationship with your children and how much better they treat

their grandkids than they

> ever treated us. So my question is this...How do we know this is

true?

>

> I for one will be watching my sons interactions with nada more

closely and watching his

> behavior when he returns from any unsupervised time with her.

>

> One the ponder...

>

> Carla

>

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Couldn't agree more with you KT. My nada liked the babies, and the

little ones......then backed off ton's when they got older.

She does see my niece alot, but fights with her like a little kid.

She tattles on the neice too. Stupid and imature to say the least.

drlingirl

>

>

> >

> > I have seen a bunch of posts from all of you talking about how

your

> nada has a great

> > relationship with your children and how much better they treat

> their grandkids than they

> > ever treated us. So my question is this...How do we know this

is

> true?

>

>

> Whoa...most of the stuff I've read here is extremely cautionary.

> From what I read, the lightbulb goes off for a lot of people when

> they realize their nada/fada has acted out toward the

grandchildren.

>

> My parents, so far, are mostly good with our kids. But I will not

> leave my children alone with them anymore until I AM SURE their

> behavior has changed. The best way to predict how someone WILL

> behave is to look at how they have ALREADY behaved. My mother is

> verbally abusive and manipulative, and even though I am out of her

> grasp, she continues to act out toward my sister. So I know she

is

> not safe for my kids. They can still see each other, just with

> supervion from me and my husband. And the minute they cross the

> line, it'll be NC, baby.

>

>

> My understanding is that the BPD often acts fine until the child

> reaches/passes THE BPD'S EMOTIONAL AGE. Then the acting out

starts.

>

>

> Hope that helps.

>

> Kt

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Hi writermanque,

I also experienced the being punished for " telling " on things my

stepndad said or did to my sister and I. When my mother confronted

my father about the stories my sister and I brought home about

stepnada he simply said, " there's no way she would say those things

to the girls. she loves the girls. " Then he would tell my stepnada

about what our mother had said to him, asking her if it was true or

not. She always lied and said it wasn't true. She always used the

excuse that we just wanted he and my mother back together again, so

we were trying to make her look bad so he would divorce her. As

soon as we were alone with her the next weekend over there, we would

be raged at and threatened about going to our mother. My sister was

told, " when you are under my roof I AM your mother, and I'll do/say

what I want. " We were often accused of being too sensitive and

taking her too seriously. She was always " just joking " dontcha

know. In the beginning, before she knew my dad wouldn't stand up

for us, she would never reveal her true self around him. But he

worked fourteen hours a day, six days a week, so he was hardly

around.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen a bunch of posts from all of you talking about

how

> > your

> > > nada has a great

> > > > relationship with your children and how much better they

treat

> > > their grandkids than they

> > > > ever treated us. So my question is this...How do we know

this

> is

> > > true?

> > >

>

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Hi!

A huge reason my sister is trying to stay strong regarding the NC

with my stepnada is so that her child won't ever have to be

subjected to what we were subjected to. Stepnada and my sister's

relationship has been going downhill since sis had her baby.

Stepnada never had children and apparently that's all she ever

wanted in life (don't know why she married my dad, who had had a

vasectomy years before they met). After a bad fight, my sister told

my dad that she never wanted her around the baby alone. She found

out about that and the relationship has been tense at best since.

After a petty, meaningless argument in May (stepnada was the only

one arguing - sister asked her to stop yelling at her), Stepnada

left and never came back. Neither of them have spoken to sis

since. Stepnada has cut my sister and the baby out of her and

fada's life (he just goes along with this), refusing to discuss

either of them, and even had the audacity to turn a picture of the

baby with my husband to the wall so that it wouldn't face the chair

she was sitting in. We didn't discover this until after she left

our house. Also, when I was talking about how much the baby looked

like my sister now, stepnada snarled, " thank god " which can be

translated into 'your sister's husband is ugly, and the baby was

ugly when she looked like him'. Now that she and my sister aren't

speaking, she comments on how fat my sister's ass is (my sister

wears a size 5, is 5'8 " and weighs 120lbs.), and how lucky I am that

I don't look like her (we look like twins).

When sis and stepnada were still speaking, but after some fight, she

ran into my sister at me and my husband's gallery. Sis tried to

hand her the baby (who was 1 at the time) and stepnada turned her

head and said, " I don't want her. She doesn't even know me. " On

another occasion, while I was over with my sis, stepnada was playing

with the baby while my sister was trying to feed her (she was about

seven months or so). Sis asked her to please let the baby be for a

few minutes so the baby could eat. My stepnada pressed her face

into the baby's and said loudly enough for all of us to hear, " Well

I guess I'm never allowed to play with you because your mother says

so. " She also told my sister early on that she didn't think she

could be around the baby unless she knew she was the baby's

favorite, and that she didn't like sharing the baby with the other

two grandmas and never would.

Would this type of behavior have continued if my sister still

allowed stepnada in her life? Absolutely. Would she do/say messed

up things to the baby about my sister, or other people she doesn't

like in our lives? Absolutely. She says disgusting things about my

sister to me now. She used to say disgusting things about our

mother to us in the past.

You are completely in the right to monitor your nada's interactions

with your kids! I don't believe that they alter their abusive

behavior just because they are one more generation removed.

Anyhoo...just my two cents!! :)

>

> Hi all ,

>

> I just wanted to post about something I was witness to this past

Sunday. I have always felt

> that my nada would not be abusive to my son but i know that she

has definitely pushed it

> in this area. this past weekend really is making my rethink how

much time I allow my son

> to spend alone with nada.

>

> I was at the movie theater when i heard a young boy( 9 or 10)

becoming anxious. i could

> not hear much but this is what i did witness. An older woman

(grandmother age) was

> getting napkins and snacks with her grand-daughter and grandson.

The boy was upset

> about something to do with his snack and wanted the lid put back

on something (nacho

> sauce?) before they went into the theater. Never heard the older

child 12 or 13 say a word

> or raise her voice at all. All of a sudden the grandmother starts

cursing and raising her

> voice quite a bit yelling at them about she is done listening to

all this damn fighting and

> she throws a bag on the ground and continues to rage and rail at

the younger child

> making him cry. I was just appalled. I wondered if these

children's parents realize how

> poorly this woman is treating their children?

>

> I have seen a bunch of posts from all of you talking about how

your nada has a great

> relationship with your children and how much better they treat

their grandkids than they

> ever treated us. So my question is this...How do we know this is

true?

>

> I for one will be watching my sons interactions with nada more

closely and watching his

> behavior when he returns from any unsupervised time with her.

>

> One the ponder...

>

> Carla

>

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That is terrible. And it would break my heart to send my kids to

their dad's for the weekend -- knowing his new wife was going to abuse

them. I'd be heartbroken watching them drive away.

What ever happened to your stepnada? Did you ever get the opportunity

to stand up to her?

-Kyla

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