Re: Re: Biofilm and Magnesium

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Limin if we are not yet on biofilm treatment should we continue magnesium glycinate which is given at bedtime to aide in sleep along with melatonin.FranselSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 18:06:11 -0700To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: Biofilm Bill,The matrix of biofilm in the body is not entirely produced by the bacteria themselves. It is formed via an interaction between the bacteria and the host body. The host body product such as fibrins and nutrients such as iron, calcium, and magnesium are imbedded as components of the matrix. Disodium EDTA is recommended to chelate these minerals from bilfilm in order to dismantle it. Vitamin K2 binds up calcium to make it more available to the host body, and less available to the bugs. In a similar fashion, lactoferrin binds up iron to make it more available for the host body to uptake, and less for the bugs. Doctors sometimes recommend staying away from magnesium for a month or two for the initial biofilm protocol, and then pulse the biofilm treatments for replenishing minerals. Most of the anti-fibrin enzymes are also anti-platelets. Platelet levels are usually low in the individuals with Lyme. Taking breaks from the protocol might be necessary.LiminLimin -Great writeup. I dont understand why docs would want someone to be off those minerals while on the biofilm protocol, which could last for a long time. All those minerals are crucial, and for many, Magnesium is mission critical in Lyme treatment. Also, someone on EDTA would want *more* of certain minerals, since chelation can deplete certain minerals. I've also never heard of metal chelation punching holes in the biofilm. All great stuff, and more to add to the treatment. Where did you find out the stuff in your post? Or is this all from your experience and memory?Thank you very much! BillSubject: Re: Re: BiofilmTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 2:43 PMHi Misty,I got your offline questions about biofilm treatment. Since this thread is currently in discussion, I think I will just chime in here. The treatment are usually involved some combination of tools such as the following:1. A combo of fibrinolytic and mucolytic enzymes: Nattokinase, Lumbrokinase, Serrapeptase, or Mucolase.2. Use Lactoferrin to bind up iron.3. Use vitamin K2 to bind up calcium. 4. If magnesium supplement is used, take it hours away from biofilm protocol. Some doctors recommend to stop supplementing iron, calcium and magnesium when on biofilm protocol. 5. Use disodium EDTA to chelate metals in order to punch holes in the biofilm.6. Chitosan is said to inhibit the formation of biofilm. We had some gains using Chitosan in the past.http://www.springerlink.com/content/d1jj063364625865/7. Treat Strep and/or Staph, if these two infections are present. Strep and Staph are particularly capable of producing slime for which other infections can hide within. (The natural alternative (a milder approach) is to use raw, unfiltered apply cider vinegar to replace EDTA, and manuka honey to replace biofilm enzymes.Hope this helps.Limin

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Fransel,I am not a doctor. You'll need to consult with a doctor. In our case, I choose not to remove magnesium while my son was on a biofilm treatment. I usually gave the biofilm related supplements first thing in the morning and again in the mid afternoon, and gave magnesium after dinner.LiminLimin if we are not yet on biofilm treatment should we continue magnesium glycinate which is given at bedtime to aide in sleep along with melatonin.FranselSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 18:06:11 -0700To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: BiofilmBill,The matrix of biofilm in the body is not entirely produced by the bacteria themselves. It is formed via an interaction between the bacteria and the host body. The host body product such as fibrins and nutrients such as iron, calcium, and magnesium are imbedded as components of the matrix. Disodium EDTA is recommended to chelate these minerals from bilfilm in order to dismantle it. Vitamin K2 binds up calcium to make it more available to the host body, and less available to the bugs. In a similar fashion, lactoferrin binds up iron to make it more available for the host body to uptake, and less for the bugs. Doctors sometimes recommend staying away from magnesium for a month or two for the initial biofilm protocol, and then pulse the biofilm treatments for replenishing minerals. Most of the anti-fibrin enzymes are also anti-platelets. Platelet levels are usually low in the individuals with Lyme. Taking breaks from the protocol might be necessary.LiminLimin -Great writeup. I dont understand why docs would want someone to be off those minerals while on the biofilm protocol, which could last for a long time. All those minerals are crucial, and for many, Magnesium is mission critical in Lyme treatment. Also, someone on EDTA would want *more* of certain minerals, since chelation can deplete certain minerals. I've also never heard of metal chelation punching holes in the biofilm. All great stuff, and more to add to the treatment. Where did you find out the stuff in your post? Or is this all from your experience and memory?Thank you very much! BillSubject: Re: Re: BiofilmTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 2:43 PMHi Misty,I got your offline questions about biofilm treatment. Since this thread is currently in discussion, I think I will just chime in here. The treatment are usually involved some combination of tools such as the following:1. A combo of fibrinolytic and mucolytic enzymes: Nattokinase, Lumbrokinase, Serrapeptase, or Mucolase.2. Use Lactoferrin to bind up iron.3. Use vitamin K2 to bind up calcium. 4. If magnesium supplement is used, take it hours away from biofilm protocol. Some doctors recommend to stop supplementing iron, calcium and magnesium when on biofilm protocol. 5. Use disodium EDTA to chelate metals in order to punch holes in the biofilm.6. Chitosan is said to inhibit the formation of biofilm. We had some gains using Chitosan in the past.http://www.springerlink.com/content/d1jj063364625865/7. Treat Strep and/or Staph, if these two infections are present. Strep and Staph are particularly capable of producing slime for which other infections can hide within. (The natural alternative (a milder approach) is to use raw, unfiltered apply cider vinegar to replace EDTA, and manuka honey to replace biofilm enzymes.Hope this helps.Limin