Re: NY Times article concerning a noted psychologist

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thanks...this stood out to me, and is something in which I find is the cause of

much suffering...lack of true acceptance of oneself...continually condemning and

trying to fix ourselves based on concepts of what we think we should* be like,

rather than love and nurture ourselves based on what we are

____

" One night I was kneeling in there, looking up at the cross, and the whole place

became gold — and suddenly I felt something coming toward me, " she said. " It was

this shimmering experience, and I just ran back to my room and said, `I love

myself.' It was the first time I remember talking to myself in the first person.

I felt transformed. "

The high lasted about a year, before the feelings of devastation returned in the

wake of a romance that ended. But something was different. She could now weather

her emotional storms without cutting or harming herself.

What had changed?

It took years of study in psychology — she earned a Ph.D. at Loyola in 1971 —

before she found an answer. On the surface, it seemed obvious: She had accepted

herself as she was. She had tried to kill herself so many times because the gulf

between the person she wanted to be and the person she was left her desperate,

hopeless, deeply homesick for a life she would never know. That gulf was real,

and unbridgeable.

No therapist could promise a quick transformation or even sudden " insight, " much

less a shimmering religious vision. But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two

seemingly opposed principles that could form the basis of a treatment:

acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be; and the need to

change, despite that reality and because of it. The only way to know for sure

whether she had something more than a theory was to test it scientifically in

the real world — and there was never any doubt where to start.

>

> This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to

be interesting.

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting take on Linehan's take. I found myself happy she finally outed

herself and yet a bit disappointed..maybe just wanting a bit more detail. I

don't know. Maybe spoiled with the candor, detail found in personal narratives

from ACBS participants. I suppose maybe it's just Linehan's style. Left me with

interesting questions such as what it might have been like for she and her

followers, having held onto her story for so many years, especially as a

purported " founder " of a very novel approach to a serious problem, and what it's

now like in the aftermath, after finally coming out of the closet. Left me

profoundly grateful for those like and who have

offered their experiences so unselfishly. Always a risk there, for sure. And yet

without this, how utterly impoverished my entire experience of this work would

have been. I can't even imagine where I'd be now without their willingness,

hand's on responsiveness, loving guidance, creative suggestions, frank feedback.

Where would I be without noticing they too are just like us, in process,

shifting the work here and there as new data comes in, evolving in real time?

> >

> > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to

be interesting.

> >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>> This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be interesting. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=allI've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of her more recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a while back:http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-creator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/ - Randy

[Guest guest]

I agree. Lack of true acceptance... Sometimes I feel as though I am at a better

place with acceptance, only to circle back and realize I am not in a place of

true acceptance at all.

> >

> > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to

be interesting.

> >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm looking forward to checking out your blog post. Thanks!

>> This is an

> article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be

> interesting. > >

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> I've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of her more

> recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a

> while back:

> http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-crea\

> tor-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/

> <http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-cre\

> ator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/>

> - Randy

>

[Guest guest]

If you don't care, why post this? This is just a mailing list.. not a closely knit group of some sort. No one fits in here. I'll be corrected if I am wrong.

   

 

I posted this article a while ago and got no feedback which I was very keen for. This sux and I feel like I don't fit in at all. WHATEVER. Invisible right. Don't bother. I know this kind of post puts people on the back foot but I am beyond caring about that now. Rest assured, I have no desire to continue contributing. (Thank god for that, I hear you say)

>

> This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to be interesting.

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

 

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think true acceptance is an easy thing unless you fully realize you have

no other way out...until then, we seem to constantly find new ways to resist,

fight, fix, with moments of acceptance in between

which is why I like when she said to accept each moment as it is, not as it

should be

maybe accepting the resisting, fighting and fixing is the next step

> > >

> > > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found

to be interesting.

> > >

> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

didn't see it when you posted, but rest assured I would have given feedback to

it if I had...it's a good article, so thanks for sharing it

your contributions are appreciated, sorry if you feel they aren't

maybe it just wasn't time for it to be received

>> This is an

> > article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be

> > interesting. > >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> > I've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of her more

> > recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a

> > while back:

> > http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-crea\

> > tor-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/

> > <http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-cre\

> > ator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/>

> > - Randy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two seemingly opposed principles that could> form the basis of a treatment: acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be;> and the need to change, despite that reality and because of it.

I've been wondering about that. To me, these principles ARE opposed. I want to accept myself, and I certainly want to change. How is this contradiction resolved? Say, you are sculpting something. Or writing a letter. You either accept it, or change it, right?

   

 

thanks...this stood out to me, and is something in which I find is the cause of much suffering...lack of true acceptance of oneself...continually condemning and trying to fix ourselves based on concepts of what we think we should* be like, rather than love and nurture ourselves based on what we are

____

" One night I was kneeling in there, looking up at the cross, and the whole place became gold — and suddenly I felt something coming toward me, " she said. " It was this shimmering experience, and I just ran back to my room and said, `I love myself.' It was the first time I remember talking to myself in the first person. I felt transformed. "

The high lasted about a year, before the feelings of devastation returned in the wake of a romance that ended. But something was different. She could now weather her emotional storms without cutting or harming herself.

What had changed?

It took years of study in psychology — she earned a Ph.D. at Loyola in 1971 — before she found an answer. On the surface, it seemed obvious: She had accepted herself as she was. She had tried to kill herself so many times because the gulf between the person she wanted to be and the person she was left her desperate, hopeless, deeply homesick for a life she would never know. That gulf was real, and unbridgeable.

No therapist could promise a quick transformation or even sudden " insight, " much less a shimmering religious vision. But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two seemingly opposed principles that could form the basis of a treatment: acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be; and the need to change, despite that reality and because of it. The only way to know for sure whether she had something more than a theory was to test it scientifically in the real world — and there was never any doubt where to start.

>

> This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to be interesting.

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

 

>

[Guest guest]

Just read this last email so I hope this applies. I can explain change and acceptance as it applies to my own issues. For example: I can accept I am having anxiety/panic attack, but I can change my behaviours with reference to this anxiety.(I change by letting my body loose, defusing, instead of tensing up fusing and pinching my skin in horror). I can also change just by accepting, that is, if before I tensed when having anxiety, now I have changed to opening up and accepting it. By accepting,I am facing it head on, riding it, having it, and then watching it wash away to nothing. That is change indeed for me. Tread gently XXX______________________Signature: Mrs Em

Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El jue, 28/7/11, Jane Cohen escribió:De: Jane Cohen Asunto: Re: Re: NY Times article concerning a noted psychologistPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: jueves, 28 de julio, 2011 04:25

> But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two seemingly opposed principles that could> form the basis of a treatment: acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be;> and the need to change, despite that reality and because of it.

I've been wondering about that. To me, these principles ARE opposed. I want to accept myself, and I certainly want to change. How is this contradiction resolved? Say, you are sculpting something. Or writing a letter. You either accept it, or change it, right?

thanks...this stood out to me, and is something in which I find is the cause of much suffering...lack of true acceptance of oneself...continually condemning and trying to fix ourselves based on concepts of what we think we should* be like, rather than love and nurture ourselves based on what we are

____

"One night I was kneeling in there, looking up at the cross, and the whole place became gold — and suddenly I felt something coming toward me," she said. "It was this shimmering experience, and I just ran back to my room and said, `I love myself.' It was the first time I remember talking to myself in the first person. I felt transformed."

The high lasted about a year, before the feelings of devastation returned in the wake of a romance that ended. But something was different. She could now weather her emotional storms without cutting or harming herself.

What had changed?

It took years of study in psychology — she earned a Ph.D. at Loyola in 1971 — before she found an answer. On the surface, it seemed obvious: She had accepted herself as she was. She had tried to kill herself so many times because the gulf between the person she wanted to be and the person she was left her desperate, hopeless, deeply homesick for a life she would never know. That gulf was real, and unbridgeable.

No therapist could promise a quick transformation or even sudden "insight," much less a shimmering religious vision. But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two seemingly opposed principles that could form the basis of a treatment: acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be; and the need to change, despite that reality and because of it. The only way to know for sure whether she had something more than a theory was to test it scientifically in the real world — and there was never any doubt where to start.

>

> This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to be interesting.

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

>

[Guest guest]

...And I would add, the importance of Self-Compassion in this process. I have found this to be extremely helpful whilst working this way and sometimes feeling the pits because I don't measure up to the courageous person I would like to be. I would recommend the work of e Neff. Check out http://www.self-compassion.org/

I think sometimes the simple act of 'holding the pain' kindly is transformative. This has moved me forward.

Simone

thanks...this stood out to me, and is something in which I find is the cause of much suffering...lack of true acceptance of oneself...continually condemning and trying to fix ourselves based on concepts of what we think we should* be like, rather than love and nurture ourselves based on what we are____

"One night I was kneeling in there, looking up at the cross, and the whole place became gold — and suddenly I felt something coming toward me," she said. "It was this shimmering experience, and I just ran back to my room and said, `I love myself.' It was the first time I remember talking to myself in the first person. I felt transformed."The high lasted about a year, before the feelings of devastation returned in the wake of a romance that ended. But something was different. She could now weather her emotional storms without cutting or harming herself.What had changed?It took years of study in psychology — she earned a Ph.D. at Loyola in 1971 — before she found an answer. On the surface, it seemed obvious: She had accepted herself as she was. She had tried to kill herself so many times because the gulf between the person she wanted to be and the person she was left her desperate, hopeless,

deeply homesick for a life she would never know. That gulf was real, and unbridgeable. No therapist could promise a quick transformation or even sudden "insight," much less a shimmering religious vision. But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two seemingly opposed principles that could form the basis of a treatment: acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be; and the need to change, despite that reality and because of it. The only way to know for sure whether she had something more than a theory was to test it scientifically in the real world — and there was never any doubt where to start.

>

> This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to be interesting. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all >

[Guest guest]

Hi Lou,

I've done the same with posts - so don't worry, I am sure it is nothing personal, it's just the way things go on this board sometimes. Keep posting and let it go.

Simone

Subject: Re: Re: NY Times article concerning a noted psychologistTo: ACT_for_the_Public Date: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 1:20

I posted this article a while ago and got no feedback which I was very keen for. This sux and I feel like I don't fit in at all. WHATEVER. Invisible right. Don't bother. I know this kind of post puts people on the back foot but I am beyond caring about that now. Rest assured, I have no desire to continue contributing. (Thank god for that, I hear you say)

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Thu, 28 July, 2011 7:57:48 AMSubject: Re: NY Times article concerning a noted psychologist

I'm looking forward to checking out your blog post. Thanks!>> This is an> article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be> interesting. > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all> I've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of

her more> recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a> while back:> http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-crea\> tor-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/> <http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-cre\> ator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/>> - Randy>

[Guest guest]

For me, steps and places are words carrying connotations of a journey and of seeking. Acceptance works best for me when I stop moving, so to speak.D

I don't think true acceptance is an easy thing unless you fully realize you have no other way out...until then, we seem to constantly find new ways to resist, fight, fix, with moments of acceptance in between

which is why I like when she said to accept each moment as it is, not as it should be

maybe accepting the resisting, fighting and fixing is the next step

> > >

> > > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to be interesting.

> > >

> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can't I accept my sculpture the way it is right now rather than berate myself for it not being perfect, yet also plan changes to improve it? One is about what is, the other is about what might be...D

> But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two seemingly opposed principles that could> form the basis of a treatment: acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be;> and the need to change, despite that reality and because of it.

I've been wondering about that. To me, these principles ARE opposed. I want to accept myself, and I certainly want to change. How is this contradiction resolved? Say, you are sculpting something. Or writing a letter. You either accept it, or change it, right?

thanks...this stood out to me, and is something in which I find is the cause of much suffering...lack of true acceptance of oneself...continually condemning and trying to fix ourselves based on concepts of what we think we should* be like, rather than love and nurture ourselves based on what we are

____

"One night I was kneeling in there, looking up at the cross, and the whole place became gold — and suddenly I felt something coming toward me," she said. "It was this shimmering experience, and I just ran back to my room and said, `I love myself.' It was the first time I remember talking to myself in the first person. I felt transformed."

The high lasted about a year, before the feelings of devastation returned in the wake of a romance that ended. But something was different. She could now weather her emotional storms without cutting or harming herself.

What had changed?

It took years of study in psychology — she earned a Ph.D. at Loyola in 1971 — before she found an answer. On the surface, it seemed obvious: She had accepted herself as she was. She had tried to kill herself so many times because the gulf between the person she wanted to be and the person she was left her desperate, hopeless, deeply homesick for a life she would never know. That gulf was real, and unbridgeable.

No therapist could promise a quick transformation or even sudden "insight," much less a shimmering religious vision. But now Dr. Linehan was closing in on two seemingly opposed principles that could form the basis of a treatment: acceptance of life as it is, not as it is supposed to be; and the need to change, despite that reality and because of it. The only way to know for sure whether she had something more than a theory was to test it scientifically in the real world — and there was never any doubt where to start.

>

> This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found to be interesting.

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

>

[Guest guest]

I have experienced true acceptance of anxiety/panic, but it was temporary

In those periods, everything was good...my tendency for anxiety was ok, to fear

panicking was ok, it was all ok...those things vanished

And then sooner or later the fear of it coming back took hold

What I believe I found, was that when you truly accept, there was nothing to

fix...I was perfect as I was, and only believed that I wasn't..

I honestly think this one big mental house of cards

> > > >

> > > > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I

found to be interesting.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I

find this for myself, also…I just re-read a transcript of a lecture

gave on values a few years ago. The examples were down-to-earth human,

lots of personal detail (a story about getting more and more comfortable

with an actual snake as opposed to the concept of “snake!”, when he

wanted to get one for his bravely snake-loving daughter) that made the ideas

come alive for me. I GOT on a visceral way the idea of how moving toward

something can widen up your internal and external worlds in unexpected ways. I’ve

been reading psychology stuff for over 30 years, but the real life examples

bring it “home” so to speak, and I can immediately use it for my

life. I notice this also with my clients. Yes…I wonder what it would have

been like if Linehan had spoken about her own life sooner. I hope she

will explore this more deeply in future writings and lectures. I have a friend

who read her interview, and the ability to talk about a horrific time in her

life without being ashamed opened up naturally for her. She expressed it as

seeing the sun come through dark clouds—suddenly knowing and feeling that she was not

alone and defective as a human being. I understand now the warmth and

obvious compassion I hear when I listen to Marsha Linehan’s recordings.

She has given all the wounded healers of the world many things to ponder. (And I

think we are all healers, not just the ones with letters after our names).

From: ACT_for_the_Public [mailto:ACT_for_the_Public ] On Behalf Of theresa.linder@...

Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011

11:38 AM

To: ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re: NY

Times article concerning a noted psychologist

Interesting take on Linehan's take. I found myself

happy she finally outed herself and yet a bit disappointed..maybe just wanting

a bit more detail. I don't know. Maybe spoiled with the candor, detail found in

personal narratives from ACBS participants. I suppose maybe it's just Linehan's

style. Left me with interesting questions such as what it might have been like

for she and her followers, having held onto her story for so many years,

especially as a purported " founder " of a very novel approach to a

serious problem, and what it's now like in the aftermath, after finally coming

out of the closet. Left me profoundly grateful for those like and

who have offered their experiences so unselfishly. Always a risk

there, for sure. And yet without this, how utterly impoverished my entire

experience of this work would have been. I can't even imagine where I'd be now

without their willingness, hand's on responsiveness, loving guidance, creative

suggestions, frank feedback. Where would I be without noticing they too are

just like us, in process, shifting the work here and there as new data comes

in, evolving in real time?

> >

> > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I

found to be interesting.

> >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> >

>

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Bulldust! We all fit in here ... like peas in a pod, we are... Life is grand! I have some work, I have some vodka...I live to moan another day, unless cirrhosis of the liver gets me first.Cheers, one and all!Detlef > > >> > > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that I found> > to be interesting.> > >> > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all> >> >> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

That's a shame Lou Lou, you always put out good posts. Although there are

thousands on the list I sometimes suspect only a handful of people regularly

read the posts. Some folks around here might be like me and are just too tired

but look out for posts that might resonate with them. I don't fit in with the

inner core either, but then my ACT is hardly working at the moment. Still, I

remain optimistic about change. For me, the way out is to go towards suffering

and to always endeaver. This is hard, but I might break through.

Kv

Kv

>> This is an

> > article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be

> > interesting. > >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> > I've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of her more

> > recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a

> > while back:

> > http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-crea\

> > tor-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/

> > <http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-cre\

> > ator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/>

> > - Randy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's a shame Lou Lou, you always put out good posts. Although there are

thousands on the list I sometimes suspect only a handful of people regularly

read the posts. Some folks around here might be like me and are just too tired

but look out for posts that might resonate with them. I don't fit in with the

inner core either, but then my ACT is hardly working at the moment. Still, I

remain optimistic about change. For me, the way out is to go towards suffering

and to always endeaver. This is hard, but I might break through.

Kv

Kv

>> This is an

> > article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be

> > interesting. > >

> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> > I've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of her more

> > recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a

> > while back:

> > http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-crea\

> > tor-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/

> > <http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-cre\

> > ator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/>

> > - Randy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lou, you did share the article early in July, but you did not request feedback or say that you were looking for any. Next time, maybe you could mention that you'd like some feedback and you'll be more likely to get it, I think. I share stuff that no one responds to, but I'm not expecting anyone to unless I specifically ask, and then it doesn't always happen anyway. It can be a bit disappointing, and especially if you're in a funk in your life, so I do understand.

Helena

>> This is an> > article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be> > interesting. > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all> > I've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of her more> > recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a> > while back:> > http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-crea\> > tor-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/> > <http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-cre\> > ator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/>> > - Randy> >>

[Guest guest]

Lou, you did share the article early in July, but you did not request feedback or say that you were looking for any. Next time, maybe you could mention that you'd like some feedback and you'll be more likely to get it, I think. I share stuff that no one responds to, but I'm not expecting anyone to unless I specifically ask, and then it doesn't always happen anyway. It can be a bit disappointing, and especially if you're in a funk in your life, so I do understand.

Helena

>> This is an> > article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, > that I found to be> > interesting. > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all> > I've read Linehan's original book and have caught some of her more> > recent work as well. I'm a big fan. I blogged about the NYT article a> > while back:> > http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-crea\> > tor-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/> > <http://storyandantistory.org/2011/06/good-article-on-marsha-linehan-cre\> > ator-of-dialectical-behavior-therapy/>> > - Randy> >>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to let you know that I enjoy your posts. You tell it as you see it.

That's refreshing.

You might enjoy listening to this guy, one of the greatest minds of all-time

IMHO:

> > > >

> > > > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that

> I found

> > > to be interesting.

> > > >

> > > >

> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all

> > >

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> > >

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[Guest guest]

Just wanted to let you know that I enjoy your posts. You tell it as you see it.

That's refreshing.

You might enjoy listening to this guy, one of the greatest minds of all-time

IMHO:

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Great video. Yes, "one of the greatest minds of all-time" - who also said this:

One need only look at a woman’s shape to discover that she is not intended for either too much mental or too much physical work. She pays the debt of life not by what she does but by what she suffers — by the pains of child-bearing, care for the child, and by subjection to man, to whom she should be a patient and cheerful companion.

Hilarious! When studying Schopenhauer in college, I found it difficult to comprehend how such a brilliant man could hold such views about women. He was but a product of his time, I suppose... Another brilliant man, Rene Descartes, was convinced that animals could not feel pain; their visible reactions to being tortured were simply mechanical reflex responses to stimuli.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:03:32 PMSubject: Re: NY Times article concerning a noted psychologist

Just wanted to let you know that I enjoy your posts. You tell it as you see it. That's refreshing. You might enjoy listening to this guy, one of the greatest minds of all-time IMHO:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pwItrhEZo--- In ACT_for_the_Public , "michieux" wrote:>> Bulldust! We all fit in here ... like peas in a pod, we are... []> > Life is grand! I have some work, I have some vodka...> > I live to moan another day, unless cirrhosis of the liver gets me first.> > Cheers, one and all!> > Detlef> > > > > >> > > > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that> I found> > > to be interesting.> > > >> > > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I heard a lot of good communication for what prompted me to write was other people feeling lonley not communicated with - and then so many posts- some with the same feelings and others with suggestions.

I noticed that topics run in together sometime but then I didnt think to click on New Subject. I'd say were all a nice group of people.

L

To: ACT_for_the_Public From: rato_branco@...Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:03:32 +0000Subject: Re: NY Times article concerning a noted psychologist

Just wanted to let you know that I enjoy your posts. You tell it as you see it. That's refreshing. You might enjoy listening to this guy, one of the greatest minds of all-time IMHO:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pwItrhEZo--- In ACT_for_the_Public , "michieux" wrote:>> Bulldust! We all fit in here ... like peas in a pod, we are... []> > Life is grand! I have some work, I have some vodka...> > I live to moan another day, unless cirrhosis of the liver gets me first.> > Cheers, one and all!> > Detlef> > > > > >> > > > This is an article about noted Psychologist, Marsha Linehan, that> I found> > > to be interesting.> > > >> > > >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/health/23lives.html?pagewanted=all> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >>