Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

[Guest guest]

Since you put it out there (here) and have done so before, please consider that the reason you see no positive outcome at this moment is because you are under the influence and you can't get out of your mind because it is swimming in poison. I've been where you are and I suspect most of have and continue to be from time to time. So no judgment from me - just a compassionate suggestion that perhaps it is time to remove the roadblock instead of trying to go around or climb over it which totally zaps the life out of you and does not seem to be working for you in living your values. As I say that, I know there are zillions of underlying reasons and/or excuses for falling back on our avoidance props when life gets too hard.

With love and understanding,

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 6:25:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Oh gosh I'm drunk, there is a man coming here, I feel paranoid...my girl is gone there is nothing to do...I don't know what to do....sorry, really...I know this forum is not for such dysfunction....I feel scared, I'm sorry, really///there is nothing...I wish really....ohhhh....godddd.there is a knock at the door, I demean myself again.....I see no positive outcome...

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 7:53:54 PMSubject: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

.... I like this post by Randy, http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/11581--- In ACT_for_the_Public , "experiential2010" wrote:>> > I believe that `non-attachment' factors into all of this as well, it seems to be associated with `letting go'. The concept of 'impermanence' too has weight in the knowledge that nothing stays the same, change is a given.> > Just thinking out loud...> > Lou> > > > > >> > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so> > > deficient?> > > > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?> > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it> > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but> > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?> > > > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.> > > > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),> > > > > > Detlef> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Since you put it out there (here) and have done so before, please consider that the reason you see no positive outcome at this moment is because you are under the influence and you can't get out of your mind because it is swimming in poison. I've been where you are and I suspect most of have and continue to be from time to time. So no judgment from me - just a compassionate suggestion that perhaps it is time to remove the roadblock instead of trying to go around or climb over it which totally zaps the life out of you and does not seem to be working for you in living your values. As I say that, I know there are zillions of underlying reasons and/or excuses for falling back on our avoidance props when life gets too hard.

With love and understanding,

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 6:25:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Oh gosh I'm drunk, there is a man coming here, I feel paranoid...my girl is gone there is nothing to do...I don't know what to do....sorry, really...I know this forum is not for such dysfunction....I feel scared, I'm sorry, really///there is nothing...I wish really....ohhhh....godddd.there is a knock at the door, I demean myself again.....I see no positive outcome...

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 7:53:54 PMSubject: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

.... I like this post by Randy, http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/11581--- In ACT_for_the_Public , "experiential2010" wrote:>> > I believe that `non-attachment' factors into all of this as well, it seems to be associated with `letting go'. The concept of 'impermanence' too has weight in the knowledge that nothing stays the same, change is a given.> > Just thinking out loud...> > Lou> > > > > >> > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so> > > deficient?> > > > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?> > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it> > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but> > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?> > > > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.> > > > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),> > > > > > Detlef> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I'm relieved to hear you are safe! You are a human being so please don't beat yourself up for being one. Carry on, my dear; the path beckons.Helena

m: "Lou Lou" To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 8:17:53 PMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Guys,

I owe you all an apology. My impulsiveness is just too frequent. I don't want to communicate with you guys in that way, certainly doesn't work to 'win friends and influence people'.

I resolve to take all action possible to reduce impulsive, emotionally driven rants in inappropriate places.

As a direct consequence of my behaviour, I now have the emotions of shame and worthlessness. And it is here that ACT comes to town right. Self-compassion and a willingness to change, to actively seek what works.

Helena I have a lot to learn from you. Thank you for your comments.

Lou

To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thu, 7 July, 2011 8:53:12 PMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Since you put it out there (here) and have done so before, please consider that the reason you see no positive outcome at this moment is because you are under the influence and you can't get out of your mind because it is swimming in poison. I've been where you are and I suspect most of have and continue to be from time to time. So no judgment from me - just a compassionate suggestion that perhaps it is time to remove the roadblock instead of trying to go around or climb over it which totally zaps the life out of you and does not seem to be working for you in living your values. As I say that, I know there are zillions of underlying reasons and/or excuses for falling back on our avoidance props when life gets too hard.

With love and understanding,

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 6:25:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Oh gosh I'm drunk, there is a man coming here, I feel paranoid...my girl is gone there is nothing to do...I don't know what to do....sorry, really...I know this forum is not for such dysfunction....I feel scared, I'm sorry, really///there is nothing...I wish really....ohhhh....godddd.there is a knock at the door, I demean myself again.....I see no positive outcome...

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 7:53:54 PMSubject: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

.... I like this post by Randy, http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/11581--- In ACT_for_the_Public , "experiential2010" wrote:>> > I believe that `non-attachment' factors into all of this as well, it seems to be associated with `letting go'. The concept of 'impermanence' too has weight in the knowledge that nothing stays the same, change is a given.> > Just thinking out loud...> > Lou> > > > > >> > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so> > > deficient?> > > > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?> > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it> > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but> > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?> > > > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.> > > > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),> > > > > > Detlef> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I'm relieved to hear you are safe! You are a human being so please don't beat yourself up for being one. Carry on, my dear; the path beckons.Helena

m: "Lou Lou" To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 8:17:53 PMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Guys,

I owe you all an apology. My impulsiveness is just too frequent. I don't want to communicate with you guys in that way, certainly doesn't work to 'win friends and influence people'.

I resolve to take all action possible to reduce impulsive, emotionally driven rants in inappropriate places.

As a direct consequence of my behaviour, I now have the emotions of shame and worthlessness. And it is here that ACT comes to town right. Self-compassion and a willingness to change, to actively seek what works.

Helena I have a lot to learn from you. Thank you for your comments.

Lou

To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thu, 7 July, 2011 8:53:12 PMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Since you put it out there (here) and have done so before, please consider that the reason you see no positive outcome at this moment is because you are under the influence and you can't get out of your mind because it is swimming in poison. I've been where you are and I suspect most of have and continue to be from time to time. So no judgment from me - just a compassionate suggestion that perhaps it is time to remove the roadblock instead of trying to go around or climb over it which totally zaps the life out of you and does not seem to be working for you in living your values. As I say that, I know there are zillions of underlying reasons and/or excuses for falling back on our avoidance props when life gets too hard.

With love and understanding,

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 6:25:53 AMSubject: Re: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

Oh gosh I'm drunk, there is a man coming here, I feel paranoid...my girl is gone there is nothing to do...I don't know what to do....sorry, really...I know this forum is not for such dysfunction....I feel scared, I'm sorry, really///there is nothing...I wish really....ohhhh....godddd.there is a knock at the door, I demean myself again.....I see no positive outcome...

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Fri, 10 June, 2011 7:53:54 PMSubject: Re: On Mindfulness and Acceptance

.... I like this post by Randy, http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/11581--- In ACT_for_the_Public , "experiential2010" wrote:>> > I believe that `non-attachment' factors into all of this as well, it seems to be associated with `letting go'. The concept of 'impermanence' too has weight in the knowledge that nothing stays the same, change is a given.> > Just thinking out loud...> > Lou> > > > > >> > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so> > > deficient?> > > > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?> > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it> > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but> > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?> > > > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.> > > > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),> > > > > > Detlef> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hey, I think I can speak for most here when I say we've all fallen our face. No

need to apologize. Be gentle with yourself as you notice what works and doesn't.

It's all process.

Best to you,

terry

> > > >

> > > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so

> > > > deficient?

> > > >

> > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?

> > > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it

> > > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but

> > > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?

> > > >

> > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),

> > > >

> > > > Detlef

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, I think I can speak for most here when I say we've all fallen our face. No

need to apologize. Be gentle with yourself as you notice what works and doesn't.

It's all process.

Best to you,

terry

> > > >

> > > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so

> > > > deficient?

> > > >

> > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?

> > > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it

> > > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but

> > > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?

> > > >

> > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),

> > > >

> > > > Detlef

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lou,

No apologies necessary.

I've been drunk a few times and posted tweets I wish I hadn't. Like your post,

they were nothing to get hung up about. These moments of weakness show us and

others how human and fallible we all are. They're all part of that rich and

wonderful thing called the human condition!

Cheers,

Stan

> > > >

> > > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so

> > > > deficient?

> > > >

> > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?

> > > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it

> > > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but

> > > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?

> > > >

> > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),

> > > >

> > > > Detlef

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lou,

No apologies necessary.

I've been drunk a few times and posted tweets I wish I hadn't. Like your post,

they were nothing to get hung up about. These moments of weakness show us and

others how human and fallible we all are. They're all part of that rich and

wonderful thing called the human condition!

Cheers,

Stan

> > > >

> > > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are they so

> > > > deficient?

> > > >

> > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So what?

> > > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept it

> > > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything but

> > > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would anyone?

> > > >

> > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),

> > > >

> > > > Detlef

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, how are you holding/defining " off the hook " ?

Does this mean you are thinking someone's commenting here is granting you

permission for something only you can give yourself?

terry

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are

they so

> > > > > > deficient?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So

what?

> > > > > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I accept

it

> > > > > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is anything

but

> > > > > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would

anyone?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Detlef

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thankyou for that Terry. About two weeks ago I wrote a post that started out

pretty good but ended up getting very political towards the end (revolution and

all that). At my work things are going badly wrong for us, like it is for

millions of other people around the world, and so I am a bit scared about the

future. The post I put out seemed fine at the time but I really did regret

posting it the next day.

Kv

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If mindfulness and acceptance are the be-all to end-all, why are

they so

> > > > > > > deficient?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I seem to be mindful of everything in my world all of the time. So

what?

> > > > > > > My world is one of horror and pain -- no kidding. Of course I

accept it

> > > > > > > for what it is. But I'm not going to kid myself that it is

anything but

> > > > > > > horrible and painful. Why the heck would I? Why the heck would

anyone?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'd rather not live in this world. And that's the problem.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers (if that's an appropriate sign-off),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Detlef

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>