Re: Info on the new product we've been using

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Rita,Can you take this product while on antibiotics?To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism From: rchildbalance@...Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:46:18 -0700Subject: Info on the new product we've been using

I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….

I just want to share what I have found.

With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format.

We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It “turns on” the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

Some things I’ve learned about it:

It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food. The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any negative reactions. The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C).. Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant Medical info on (rx) surfactants: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or drug, including the above just gives you some current info on surfactants in general.

It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on how well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it 5 months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

What we have personally found using it with :

Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues). He’s also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me

too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals in our protocol).

Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she watered her “not-doing-so-well”

basil plant to have it perk right up :o) This is also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses.

Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight it’s intended fight.

One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs were “normal” they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

cleaning out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited about this product!!!

http://immusist.com/index.html

Rita

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your description sounds great- but it sounds a little too good to be true. there is virtually no info on their website. And I seriously question the use of acesulfame K, flavorings and chemical coloring in a product that is supposed to help the immune system. Something that cost $88 a bottle should at least have pure ingredients.To: borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism From: masonkuhn@...Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:04:52 -0500Subject: RE: Info on the new product we've been using

Rita,Can you take this product while on antibiotics?To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism From: rchildbalance@...Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:46:18 -0700Subject: Info on the new product we've been using

I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….

I just want to share what I have found.

With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format.

We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It “turns on” the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

Some things I’ve learned about it:

It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food. The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any negative reactions. The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C).. Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant Medical info on (rx) surfactants: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or drug, including the above just gives you some current info on surfactants in general.

It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on how well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it 5 months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

What we have personally found using it with :

Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues). He’s also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me

too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals in our protocol).

Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she watered her “not-doing-so-well”

basil plant to have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses.

Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight it’s intended fight.

One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs were “normal” they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

cleaning out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited about this product!!!

http://immusist.com/index.html

Rita

[Guest guest]

How do we know that the dye used is whole food vegetable dye?

When I see colors from foods purchased at a health food store, it always lists

it as derived from a particular food (carrot, beet, etc.).

How can we be sure. The color names seem very synthetic to me...

Anyone???

>

>  I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….

> I just want to share what I have found.

> > 

> >With the posting of the XMRV study,I thought I'd share what we've been doing

for

> >the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to

> >protect the product  (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era

of

> >double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be

happy

> >to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in

this

> >open group format.

> >

> > 

> >We had hit a plateau &  this product has catapulted us to a new level of

healing.

> >I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research

I

> >have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria

&

> >parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach

> >themselves to our DNA). It “turns on†the immune system which enables our

bodies

> >to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

worms

> >so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products

(like

> >herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

brain)…..for

> >example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the

LDM-100.

> > 

> >Some things I’ve learned about it:

> > * It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

including 9

> >years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side

> >effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.

> >

> > * The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA

BioMed

> >is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any

negative

> >reactions.

> >

> > * The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible

> >use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about

the

> >soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste

> >with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot

> >type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a

full

> >glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> >boost the vit C)..

> >

> > * Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr.

Both

> >have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of

premature

> >babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use

them

> >carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to

general

> >info on surfactants:

> >

> > * Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > * Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> >http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> >            Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

drug, including

> >the above just gives you some             current info on

surfactants in

> >general.

> > 

> >It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with

> >HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s

targeted to

> >the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important

to me! It

> >assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen

all

> >of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on

how

> >well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> >brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it).

A

> >small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including

> >some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD

( &

> >families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

> > 

> >Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I

> >have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a

wide

> >variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has

been

> >using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run, 

> >then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found

> >dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it

5

> >months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

substantially

> >reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

around,

> >physically, socially & educationally.

> > 

> >What we have personally found using it with :

> >Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with

killing

> >organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too

> >familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no

different. The

> >first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD

&

> >some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

some

> >extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School

(gen

> >ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a

> >multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between

classes

> >is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues).

He’s

> >also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> >curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has

come

> >with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to

be

> >managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic

> >Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have

> >had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed

> >over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add

> >extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> >standard minerals in our protocol).

> >

> > 

> >Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support

here. I

> >have a digital picture (taken April 20,2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut

&

> >put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of

water

> >for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out &

it

> >was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> >flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

bad NW

> >weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this

> >tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful

> >green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown &

dead by

> >now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree

she

> >watered her “not-doing-so-well†basil plant to have it perk right up )

This is

> >also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses.

> > 

> >Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your

> >feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn

further

> >for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel

free to

> >contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product

we

> >have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants)

> >w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> >system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to

proper

> >functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any

> >man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given

> >immune system to fight it’s intended fight.

> > 

> >One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on

15

> >different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill.

> >After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs

were

> >“normal†they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no

longer

> >needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing

> >very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself

not

> >feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are

on &

> >check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

> >tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

> >support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes

as it

> >cycles through the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

> >testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> >protocol  to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it

for a

> >short time to help boost them & target items.

> > 

> >ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him

&

> >get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I

can

> >personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate

> >them. I am really excited about this product!!!

> > 

> >http://immusist.com/index.html

> > 

> >Rita

> > 

>

[Guest guest]

This sounded interesting to me until I looked at the list of ingredients, "flavorings, FD & C Red 40 and Blue 1". That absolutely makes it a no no in our house. Tamet I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….I just want to share what I have found. With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format. We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It “turns on” the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100. Some things I’ve learned about it:It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any negative reactions.The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C)..Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SurfactantMedical info on (rx) surfactants: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or drug, including the above just gives you some current info on surfactants in general. It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on how well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good. Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it 5 months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally. What we have personally found using it with :Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues). He’s also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals in our protocol). Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she watered her “not-doing-so-well” basil plant to have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses. Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight it’s intended fight. One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs were “normal” they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items. ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited about this product!!! http://immusist.com/index.html Rita

[Guest guest]

This was my initial reaction as well.... & I continue my dietary pursuit of the

clean, good nutritious foods that I have fed my family for the last 6 years of

Biomedical intervention. After research of the benefits of this product, as

stated in the original e-mail, I am very happy with it's use.

All the best to you & your family,

Rita

>

> >

> > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > consumer….

> > I just want to share what I have found.

> >

> >

> > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies that

> > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in this

> > open group format.

> >

> >

> > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level

> > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune

> > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that

> > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA).

> > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the

> > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> >

> >

> > Some things I've learned about it:

> >

> > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO

> > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > food.

> > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our

> > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > not seen any negative reactions.

> > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small

> > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of

> > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > boost the vit C)..

> > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric

> > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said

> > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > info on surfactants in general.

> >

> >

> > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history is

> > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me!

> > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset

> > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including

> > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a

> > high level group including some of its founders early in the year &

> > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > across the board are good.

> >

> >

> > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with

> > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me

> > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

> > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really

> > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> >

> >

> > What we have personally found using it with :

> >

> > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even

> > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…

> > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely

> > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> >

> >

> > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular support

> > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas

> > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3

> > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I

> > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one

> > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk right

> > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > dogs & horses.

> >

> >

> > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to

> > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or

> > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > This product is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need to

> > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > it's intended fight.

> >

> >

> > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real

> > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what

> > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs

> > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we

> > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always

> > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through

> > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing

> > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> >

> >

> > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > about this product!!!

> >

> >

> > http://immusist.com/index.html

> >

> >

> > Rita

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I thought that you would be interested in the info from a good ? on another

group....In this format I can only post my own post...so sorry for the

jeapardy....

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As stated in the prior post, the product that we are using has had 18 years of

success in use with human applications and the expensive clinical/double-blind

studies are in the process of being organized & being a proprietary product I

can not pass additional specific info on the product itself. Personally, based

on my review of personal testimonies with this product and after much prayer for

wisdom, knowledge & discernment I started the product & have been very happy

with the results.

In regards to surfactants in general that I have researched, I have copied the

Pubmed information on general surfactants that I have personally found

interesting below for you to begin your own investigations (as I found in my

research, surfactants are used in many medical investigations).

Hope this helps further,

Rita

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A PUBMED search of " surfactants past present and future "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=surfactants%20past%20present%20and%20fut\

ure

Notes: Looks like some interesting work may come from items like #4 Treatment of

acute hepatitis C: the success of monotherapy with (pegylated) interferon alpha

# 5 Surfactants: past, present and future, #7 Oxygen delivery enhancers: past,

present, and future, #8 The role of growth hormone in the pathogenesis of

diabetic kidney disease #9 Past, present, and future of annexin A5: from protein

discovery to clinical applications, #10 Clinical trials of treatment for

hepatitis C virus infection in HIV-infected patients: past, present, and future,

#13 Enhanced loading of water-soluble actives into bicontinuous cubic phase

liquid crystals using cationic surfactants. Interesting enough it looks like as

of 2009 they are in clinical trials for use as a vaccine adjuvant #3

Liposome-based cationic adjuvant formulations (CAF): past, present, and future.

One of the articles referred to surfactants being used for donar organ

preservation, don't remember which one I read it in, but found it interesting.

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Clin Infect Dis. 2005 Jul 1;41 Suppl 1:S63-8.

Clinical trials of treatment for hepatitis C virus infection in HIV-infected

patients: past, present, and future.

Shire NJ, Sherman KE.

Source

Division of Digestive Diseases, University of Cincinnati College of Medicine,

Cincinnati, OH 45267, USA.

Abstract

Coinfection with hepatitis C virus (HCV) and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)

type 1 is common. Rates of liver-related morbidity and mortality have been

increasing in the coinfected population, and treatment for HCV infection in this

group remains a challenge. The HCV-monoinfected population, especially patients

infected with HCV genotype 2 or 3, has benefited dramatically from the advent of

treatment with pegylated interferon plus ribavirin; rates of sustained

virological response approach 55%. Coinfected patients lag behind, with rates of

sustained virological response ranging between 26% and 40%; rates of sustained

virological response are even lower among patients infected with HCV genotype 1.

It is encouraging, however, that therapies known to be safe for treating

monoinfected patients have been proven to be generally safe and well tolerated

in patients coinfected with HIV and HCV, as well. Future therapies, some of

which are currently in development, will likely include new targets, such as

helicase and polymerase. It is hoped that, as more-effective agents are

discovered, the disparity in treatment response will diminish.

PMID:

16265616

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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A PUBMED search of " surfactant-based antimicrobials " :

J Agric Food Chem. 2011 Apr 26. [Epub ahead of print]

Influence of Surfactant Charge on Antimicrobial Efficacy of

Surfactant-Stabilized Thyme Oil Nanoemulsions.

Ziani K, Chang Y, McLandsborough L, McClements DJ.

Abstract

Thyme oil-in-water nanoemulsions stabilized by a non-ionic surfactant (Tween 80,

T80) were prepared as potential antimicrobial delivery systems (pH 4). The

nanoemulsions were highly unstable to droplet growth and phase separation, which

was attributed to Ostwald ripening due to the relatively high water-solubility

of thyme oil. Ostwald ripening could be inhibited by incorporating & #8805; 75%

of corn oil (a hydrophobic material with a low water-solubility) into the

nanoemulsion droplets. The electrical characteristics of the droplets in the

nanoemulsions were varied by incorporating ionic surfactants with different

charges after homogenization: a cationic surfactant (lauric arginate, LAE) or an

anionic surfactant (sodium dodecyl sulfate, SDS). The antifungal activity of

nanoemulsions containing positive, negative, or neutral thymol droplets was then

conducted against four strains of acid resistant spoilage yeasts:

Zygosaccharomyces bailli, Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Brettanomyces bruxellensis,

and Brettanomyces naardenensis. The antifungal properties of the three

surfactants (T80, LAE, SDS) were also tested in the absence of thymol droplets.

The ionic surfactants both showed strong antifungal activity in the absence of

thymol droplets, but no antimicrobial activity in their presence. This effect

was attributed to partitioning of the antimicrobial surfactant molecules between

the oil droplet and microbial surfaces, thereby reducing the effective

concentration of active surfactants available to act as antimicrobials. This

study shows oil droplets may decrease the efficacy of surfactant-based

antimicrobials, which has important consequences for formulating effective

antimicrobial agents for utilization in emulsion-based food and beverage

products.

PMID:

21520914

[PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

J Liposome Res. 2010 Dec;20(4):341-50. Epub 2010 Feb 18.

Development and characterization of effective topical liposomal system for

localized treatment of cutaneous candidiasis.

Gupta M, Goyal AK, Paliwal SR, Paliwal R, Mishra N, Vaidya B, Dube D, Jain SK,

Vyas SP.

Source

Drug Delivery Research Laboratory, Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Dr.

H.S. Gour Vishwavidyalaya, Sagar, India.

Abstract

The localized delivery of fluconazole (FLZ) by conventional therapy is a major

impediment in achieving its therapeutic efficacy against skin infections, such

as cutaneous candidiasis. Therefore, the present study was aimed to develop

FLZ-loaded vesicular construct(s), such as liposomes and niosomes, incorporated

into carbopol gel (1%; w/w) for sustained, localized application. The liposomes

and niosomes were prepared by the lipid/nonionic surfactant-based dry-film

hydration method and were characterized for different parameters. In addition,

antifungal activity was carried out on experimentally induced cutaneous

candidiasis in immunosuppressed albino rats. The results showed that the size of

liposomes and niosomes was found to be 0.348 & #8201;± & #8201;0.054 and

0.326 & #8201;± & #8201;0.033 & #956;m with encapsulation efficiency of

31.8 & #8201;± & #8201;1.36 and 27.6 & #8201;± & #8201;1.08%, respectively. The

skin-retention studies of FLZ from in vitro and in vivo experiments showed

significantly higher accumulation of drug in the case of liposomal gel. The in

vivo localization studies in viable skin showed that liposomal gel could produce

14.2-fold higher drug accumulation, compared with plain gel, while it was

3.3-fold more in the case of an equivalent-dose application in the form of

niosomal gel. The antifungal study also confirmed the maximum therapeutic

efficacy of liposomal gel, as the lowest number of cfu/mL was recorded following

liposomal FLZ application. The studies signify the potential of liposomal gel

for topical delivery of FLZ with increased accumulation of drug in various

strata of skin vis-a-vis through sustained release of drug could maintain the

localized effect, resulting in an effective treatment of a life-threatening

cutaneous fungal infection.

PMID:

20163329

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

J Aerosol Med Pulm Drug Deliv. 2008 Dec;21(4):361-70.

Postdeposition dispersion of aerosol medications using surfactant carriers.

Marcinkowski AL, Garoff S, Tilton RD, Pilewski JM, Corcoran TE.

Source

Department of Bioengineering, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh,

Pennsylvania, USA.

Abstract

Inhaled aerosol drugs provide a means of directly treating the lungs; however,

aerosol deposition and drug distribution can be nonuniform, especially in

obstructive lung disease. We hypothesize that surfactant-based aerosol carriers

will disperse medications over airway surfaces after deposition through surface

tension driven flows, increasing dose uniformity and improving drug distribution

into underventilated regions. We considered saline and surfactant aerosol

delivery via cannula onto several model airway surfaces including porcine

gastric mucus (PGM) and both cystic fibrosis (CF) and non-CF human bronchial

epithelial cells (HBEs). Fluorescent dye and microspheres (d = 100 nm, 1 mum)

were used to qualitatively and quantitatively assess postdeposition dispersion.

Aerosol volume median diameters were in the 1-4 mum range. The tested

surfactants included sodium dodecyl sulfate (SDS), cetyl trimethyl ammonium

bromide (CTAB), tyloxapol, and calfactant. All surfactants tested on PGM

(tyloxapol, calfactant, SDS, and CTAB) significantly increased dispersion area

versus saline with all markers (2-20-fold increases; all p < 0.04). Both

surfactants tested on CF HBEs (tyloxapol and calfactant) significantly increased

dispersion area versus saline with all markers (1.6-4.1-fold increases; all p

</= 0.02). Tyloxapol and calfactant were tested versus saline on non-CF HBE's as

well. Calfactant significantly increased dispersion area with all markers

(1.6-2.3-fold increases; all p </= 0.02), and tyloxapol significantly increased

dispersion area with two of three markers (1.3, 1.9-fold increases; p = 0.03,

0.003). Surfactant carriers enhanced dispersion after aerosol deposition onto

model airway surfaces, and may improve the efficacy of inhaled preparations such

as inhaled antibiotics for cystic fibrosis.

PMID:

18800882

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

J Biomol NMR. 2008 Mar;40(3):203-11. Epub 2008 Feb 23.

Use of reverse micelles in membrane protein structural biology.

Van Horn WD, Ogilvie ME, Flynn PF.

Source

Department of Chemistry, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0850, USA.

Abstract

Membrane protein structural biology is a rapidly developing field with

fundamental importance for elucidating key biological and biophysical processes

including signal transduction, intercellular communication, and cellular

transport. In addition to the intrinsic interest in this area of research,

structural studies of membrane proteins have direct significance on the

development of therapeutics that impact human health in diverse and important

ways. In this article we demonstrate the potential of investigating the

structure of membrane proteins using the reverse micelle forming surfactant

dioctyl sulfosuccinate (AOT) in application to the prototypical model ion

channel gramicidin A. Reverse micelles are surfactant based nanoparticles which

have been employed to investigate fundamental physical properties of

biomolecules. The results of this solution NMR based study indicate that the AOT

reverse micelle system is capable of refolding and stabilizing relatively high

concentrations of the native conformation of gramicidin A. Importantly,

pulsed-field-gradient NMR diffusion and NOESY experiments reveal stable

gramicidin A homodimer interactions that bridge reverse micelle particles. The

spectroscopic benefit of reverse micelle-membrane protein solubilization is also

explored, and significant enhancement over commonly used micelle based mimetic

systems is demonstrated. These results establish the effectiveness of reverse

micelle based studies of membrane proteins, and illustrate that membrane

proteins solubilized by reverse micelles are compatible with high resolution

solution NMR techniques.

PMID:

18297402

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

J Chromatogr A. 2008 Apr 11;1187(1-2):260-6. Epub 2008 Feb 8.

Enhanced stability of surfactant-based semipermanent wall coatings in capillary

electrophoresis using oppositely charged surfactant.

Liu Q, Yang Y, Yao S.

Source

State Key Lab of Chemo/Biosensing & Chemometrics, College of Chemistry &

Chemical Engineering, Hunan University, Changsha 410082, China.

Abstract

Semipermanent surfactant coatings are effective for the prevention of wall

adsorption of proteins in CE. However, they often suffer from their

unsatisfactory coating stability as they essentially degrade from the capillary

walls after the surfactants are removed from the buffer. In this paper, we

proposed a facile and universal method to improve the stability of semipermanent

surfactant coatings based on addition of an oppositely charged surfactant into

the coating. Didodecyldimethylammonium bromide (DDAB) and a gemini surfactant,

18-6-18, were used as the model semipermanent coatings, and sodium dodecyl

sulfate (SDS) was chosen as their oppositely charged surfactant. SDS can

strongly alter the packing parameter P of the cationic surfactants, and

consequently mediates the coating stability. With the increase of SDS

concentration in coating, the coating stability first dramatically increases due

to the enlarged P, and then decreases due to the weakness of electrostatic

interaction between the capillary wall and surfactant coating. At the proper SDS

concentration, very stable coatings can be obtained that, even after rinsing

under 138 kPa for 60 min, the reversed electroosmotic flow (EOF) only decreases

by 3.6%. These SDS-enhanced coatings show excellent stability and

reproducibility in protein separation (RSD of migration time <1.1% for

run-to-run assay, n=9). Also, the high separation efficiency (>500,000 plates/m)

and fine recovery of tested proteins indicate that these coatings are powerful

in wall adsorption suppression. Finally, we found that the separation efficiency

of protein was a more exact indicator for the coating stability than the

traditional EOF magnitude.

PMID:

18294644

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Environ Sci Technol. 2007 Oct 1;41(19):6836-40.

Novel surfactant-based adsorbent material for groundwater remediation.

Venditti F, Angelico R, Ceglie A, Ambrosone L.

Source

Consorzio per lo sviluppo dei Sistemi a Grande Interfase, c/o Department of Food

Technology DISTAAM, Università del Molise, via De Sanctis 86100 Campobasso,

Italy.

Abstract

Many surfactants aggregate spontaneously in aqueous media to form small

spherical structures called micelles. Among the numerous technical applications

it is known that micelles have the ability to dissolve in their hydrophobic part

significant amounts of water-insoluble organic compounds. In this study we

investigated through UV-vis spectroscopy the micellar solubilization of

2,4,5-trichlorophenol (Tcp), an intermediate product of the microbial

degradation of the broad-leaf herbicide 2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic (2,4,5-T).

Our results show that in the presence of the anionic surfactant sodium

dodecylsulfate SDS the water solubility of Tcp increases six-fold whereas with

cationic CTAB and nonionic Triton-X 100 the partition of chlorinated compound is

not efficient. After the excess amount of the pollutant solubilized in

SDS-micelles has been precipitated with CaCl2 the remaining fraction of Tcp has

been successfully reduced within the toxicological limit for drinkable water

through a cocurrent multistage operation. Finally, potential use in the

decontamination of wastewater or soils of the new adsorbent material has been

compared with the most commonly used activated carbon and silica gel.

PMID:

17969703

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Eur J Pharm Biopharm. 2007 Mar;65(3):414-22. Epub 2007 Jan 20.

Topical non-invasive gene delivery using gemini nanoparticles in

interferon-gamma-deficient mice.

Badea I, Wettig S, Verrall R, Foldvari M.

Source

College of Pharmacy and Nutrition, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, SK,

Canada.

Abstract

Cutaneous gene therapy, although a promising approach for many dermatologic

diseases, has not progressed to the stage of clinical trials, mainly due to the

lack of an effective gene delivery system. The main objective of this study was

to construct and evaluate gemini nanoparticles as a topical formulation for the

interferon gamma (IFN-gamma) gene in an IFN-gamma-deficient mouse model.

Nanoparticles based on the gemini surfactant 16-3-16 (NP16-DNA) and another

cationic lipid cholesteryl 3beta-(-N-[dimethylamino-ethyl] carbamate) [Dc-chol]

(NPDc-DNA) were prepared and characterized. Zetasizer measurement indicated a

bimodal distribution of 146 and 468 nm average particle sizes for the NP16-DNA

(zeta-potential +51 mV) nanoparticles and monomodal distribution of 625 nm

(zeta-potential +44 mV) for the NPDc-DNA. Circular dichroism studies showed that

the gemini surfactant compacted the plasmid more efficiently compared to the

Dc-chol. Small-angle X-ray scattering measurements revealed structural

polymorphism in the NP16-DNA nanoparticles, with lamellar and Fd3m cubic phases

present, while for the NPDc-DNA two lamellar phases could be distinguished. In

vivo, both topically applied nanoparticles induced higher gene expression

compared to untreated control and naked DNA (means of 0.480 and 0.398 ng/cm(2)

vs 0.067 and 0.167 ng/cm(2)). However, treatment with NPDc-DNA caused skin

irritation, and skin damage, whereas NP16-DNA showed no skin toxicity. In this

study, we demonstrated that topical cutaneous gene delivery using gemini

surfactant-based nanoparticles in IFN-gamma-deficient mice was safe and may

provide increased gene expression in the skin due to structural complexity of

NP16 nanoparticles (lamellar-cubic phases).

PMID:

17292593

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

J Control Release. 2001 Jun 15;73(2-3):137-72.

Structure and design of polymeric surfactant-based drug delivery systems.

Torchilin VP.

Source

Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Bouve College of Health Sciences,

Northeastern University, 360 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02129, USA.

vtorchil@...

Abstract

The review concentrates on the use of polymeric micelles as pharmaceutical

carriers. Micellization of biologically active substances is a general

phenomenon that increases the bioavailability of lipophilic drugs and nutrients.

Currently used low-molecular-weight pharmaceutical surfactants have low toxicity

and high solubilization power towards poorly soluble pharmaceuticals. However,

micelles made of such surfactants usually have relatively high critical micelle

concentration (CMC) and are unstable upon strong dilution (for example, with the

blood volume upon intravenous administration). On the other hand, amphiphilic

block co-polymers are also known to form spherical micelles in solution. These

micelles have very high solubilization capacity and rather low CMC value that

makes them very stable in vivo. Amphiphilic block co-polymers suitable for

micelle preparation are described and various types of polymeric micelles are

considered as well as mechanisms of their formation, factors influencing their

stability and disintegration, their loading capacity towards various poorly

soluble pharmaceuticals, and their therapeutic potential. The basic mechanisms

underlying micelle longevity and steric protection in vivo are considered with a

special emphasis on long circulating drug delivery systems. Advantages and

disadvantages of micelles when compared with other drug delivery systems are

considered. New polymer-lipid amphiphilic compounds such as

diacyillipid-polyethylene glycol, are described and discussed. These compounds

are very attractive from a practical point of view, since they easily micellize

yielding extremely stable micelles with very high loading capacity. Micelle

passive accumulation in the areas with leaky vasculature (tumors, infarct zones)

is discussed as an important physiology-based mechanism of drug delivery into

certain target zones. Targeted polymeric micelles prepared by using thermo- or

pH-sensitive components or by attaching specific targeted moieties (such as

antibodies) to their outer surface are described as well as their preparation

and some in vivo properties. The fast growing field of diagnostic micelles is

analyzed. Polymeric micelles are considered loaded with various agents for

gamma, magnetic resonance, and computed tomography imaging. Their in vitro and

in vivo properties are discussed and the results of the initial animal

experiments are presented.

PMID:

11516494

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

--------------------

Lastly, to directly answer one of your ?'s a search of " surfactants interaction

with the immune system " . I found:

#6)

Langmuir. 2010 Mar 2;26(5):3493-7.

Designed surface with tunable IgG density as an in vitro model for immune

complex mediated stimulation of leukocytes.

Kanmert D, Enocsson H, Wetterö J, Kastbom A, Skogh T, Enander K.

Source

Division of Molecular Physics, Department of Physics, Chemistry and Biology,

Linköping University, SE-581 83 Linköping, Sweden. dakan@...

Abstract

We present the design of an in vitro model for immune-complex-mediated

stimulation of leukocytes and its functional characteristics with respect to

monocyte adhesion. The model was based on the orientation-controlled

immobilization of a humanized IgG1 monoclonal antibody (rituximab) via its

interaction with a biotinylated peptide epitope derived from the CD20 marker.

The peptide was linked to neutravidin covalently attached to a mixed

self-assembled monolayer of carboxyl- and methoxy-terminated oligo(ethylene

glycol) alkane thiolates on gold. The surface adhesion propensity of human

monocytes (cell line U937) was highly dependent on the lateral IgG density and

indicated that there exists a distance between IgG-Fc on the surface where

interactions with Fc gamma receptors are optimal. This well-defined platform

allows for a careful control of the size and orientation of artificial IgG

immune complexes, it is easily made compatible with, for example, cellular

imaging, and it will become useful for in vitro studies on the importance of Fc

gamma receptor interactions in chronic immune-mediated diseases.

PMID:

20000861

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

#10)

Med Mycol. 2010 Feb;48(1):16-28.

Collectins and fungal pathogens: roles of surfactant proteins and mannose

binding lectin in host resistance.

Brummer E, s DA.

Source

Division of Infectious Diseases, Department of Medicine, Santa Clara Valley

Medical Center and California Institute for Medical Research, San , and

Stanford University, Stanford, California 95128-2699, USA.

Abstract

Collectins, collagenous carbohydrate-binding proteins (C-type lectins), are

recognized as important factors in non-specific innate immune responses to

pathogens. By binding surface carbohydrate structures of pathogens, collectins

modify the interaction between pathogens and the immune system. We review the

structure of the lung surfactant proteins (SP) SP-A and SP-D, and the serum

collectins, mannose binding lectins; the binding of these collectins to pathogen

associated molecular patterns or ligands on pathogenic fungi; and the effect of

collectin binding to opportunistic and primary fungal pathogens on the

interaction with host defense cells, which can result in enhancement or

inhibition of resistance. The result of collectin binding to opportunistic

fungal pathogens (Aspergillus fumigatus, Candida albicans, Cryptococcus

neoformans, Pneumocystis) or primary fungal pathogens (Blastomyces dermatitidis,

Coccidioides, Histoplasma capsulatum, Paracoccidioides brasiliensis) on

interaction with host defense cells relative to complement fixation,

phagocytosis, and stimulation of cytokine/chemokine production is reviewed.

Increased understanding of these relationships in future will help understand

fungal pathogenesis and host defenses against mycoses.

PMID:

19639514

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

#14 touches on work w/the HIV virus:

Expert Opin Ther Targets. 2009 Feb;13(2):141-52.

Evaluation of the antiretroviral effects of a PEG-conjugated peptide derived

from human CD38.

Bensi T, Mele F, Ferretti M, Norelli S, El Daker S, Chiocchetti A, Rojo J,

Cauda R, Dianzani U, Savarino A.

Source

1'A Avogadro' University of Eastern Piedmont, Interdisciplinary Research Center

of Autoimmune Diseases (IRCAD), Department of Medical Science, Novara, Italy.

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

Cell infection by HIV-1 is inhibited by both the expression of CD38 and a

soluble peptide (sCD38p) corresponding to its extracellular membrane-proximal

amino acid sequence (amino acids 51 - 74). We show here the effects of PEG

conjugation to sCD38p and provide new insights into the mechanisms behind the

anti-HIV-1 effects of CD38 and derived peptides.

RESEARCH DESIGN/METHODS:

In-vitro and in-silico study.

RESULTS:

PEGylation of sCD38p increased its ability to inhibit replication of HIV-1 in

MT-4 cells and syncytia formation in cocultures of MT-2 and persistently

HIV-1(IIIB)-infected H9(IIIB) cells. In silico modeling suggests that sCD38p and

CD4 form stable heterodimers involving, among others, an interaction between

lysine 57 (K57) of CD38 and a groove in the CD4 receptor, which, in CD4/gp120

complexes, is partially occupied by a lysine residue of the HIV-1 envelope

glycoprotein. K57 substitution with a glycine in sCD38p impaired its ability to

inhibit syncytia formation in MT-2/H9(IIIB) cell cocultures and gp120 binding to

CD4 in a mouse T cell line expressing human but not mouse CD4.

CONCLUSIONS:

PEGylation significantly improves the anti-HIV-1 activity of sCD38p, whose

effect is probably due to competition with gp120 for a common binding site on

CD4 although other mechanisms cannot be excluded so far. The inhibitory

concentrations of the sCD38p-PEG as well as its poor toxicity, merit further

consideration in anti-HIV-1 strategies.

PMID:

19236233

[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>  I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….

> I just want to share what I have found.

> > 

> >With the posting of the XMRV study,I thought I'd share what we've been doing

for

> >the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to

> >protect the product  (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era

of

> >double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be

happy

> >to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in

this

> >open group format.

> >

> > 

> >We had hit a plateau &  this product has catapulted us to a new level of

healing.

> >I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research

I

> >have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria

&

> >parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach

> >themselves to our DNA). It “turns on†the immune system which enables our

bodies

> >to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

worms

> >so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products

(like

> >herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

brain)…..for

> >example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the

LDM-100.

> > 

> >Some things I’ve learned about it:

> > * It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

including 9

> >years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side

> >effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.

> >

> > * The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA

BioMed

> >is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any

negative

> >reactions.

> >

> > * The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible

> >use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about

the

> >soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste

> >with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot

> >type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a

full

> >glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> >boost the vit C)..

> >

> > * Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr.

Both

> >have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of

premature

> >babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use

them

> >carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to

general

> >info on surfactants:

> >

> > * Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > * Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> >http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> >            Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

drug, including

> >the above just gives you some             current info on

surfactants in

> >general.

> > 

> >It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with

> >HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s

targeted to

> >the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important

to me! It

> >assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen

all

> >of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on

how

> >well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> >brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it).

A

> >small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including

> >some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD

( &

> >families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

> > 

> >Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I

> >have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a

wide

> >variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has

been

> >using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run, 

> >then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found

> >dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it

5

> >months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

substantially

> >reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

around,

> >physically, socially & educationally.

> > 

> >What we have personally found using it with :

> >Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with

killing

> >organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too

> >familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no

different. The

> >first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD

&

> >some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

some

> >extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School

(gen

> >ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a

> >multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between

classes

> >is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues).

He’s

> >also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> >curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has

come

> >with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to

be

> >managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic

> >Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have

> >had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed

> >over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add

> >extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> >standard minerals in our protocol).

> >

> > 

> >Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support

here. I

> >have a digital picture (taken April 20,2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut

&

> >put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of

water

> >for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out &

it

> >was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> >flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

bad NW

> >weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this

> >tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful

> >green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown &

dead by

> >now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree

she

> >watered her “not-doing-so-well†basil plant to have it perk right up )

This is

> >also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses.

> > 

> >Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your

> >feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn

further

> >for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel

free to

> >contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product

we

> >have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants)

> >w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> >system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to

proper

> >functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any

> >man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given

> >immune system to fight it’s intended fight.

> > 

> >One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on

15

> >different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill.

> >After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs

were

> >“normal†they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no

longer

> >needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing

> >very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself

not

> >feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are

on &

> >check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

> >tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

> >support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes

as it

> >cycles through the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

> >testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> >protocol  to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it

for a

> >short time to help boost them & target items.

> > 

> >ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him

&

> >get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I

can

> >personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate

> >them. I am really excited about this product!!!

> > 

> >http://immusist.com/index.html

> > 

> >Rita

> > 

>

[Guest guest]

Mason,

We are not on antibiotics so I do not know. I do know some of the people that I

spoke to in my review were on other doctor perscribed drugs, but I am not a

doctor. I just posted up info from some Pubmeds that may help as you investigate

this further.

All my best,

Rita

>

> Rita,

> Can you take this product while on antibiotics?

>

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> From: rchildbalance@...

> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:46:18 -0700

> Subject: Info on the new product we've

been using

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

consumer….

>

>

>

>

>

> I just want to share what I have found.

>

>

> With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've been doing

for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail

to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as it's starting into a new era of

double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be happy

to answer some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in this

open group format.

>

> We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level of

healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my

research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses,

bacteria & parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system &

attach themselves to our DNA). It " turns on " the immune system which enables our

bodies to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites

& worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products

(like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

brain)…..for example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost

the LDM-100.

>

> Some things I've learned about it:

>

> It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas including 9

years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side

effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.

> The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA BioMed

is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any negative

reactions.

> The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible

use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about the

soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste

with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot

type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full

glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

boost the vit C)..

> Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr. Both

have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of premature

babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use them

carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to general

info on surfactants:

>

> Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or drug,

including the above just gives you some current info on surfactants

in general.

>

> It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history is with

HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me! It's targeted to

the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that's what's important to me! It

assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen all

of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how

well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A

small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including

some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD ( &

families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

>

> Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I

have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a wide

variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has been

using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run,

then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found

dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is substantially

reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around,

physically, socially & educationally.

>

> What we have personally found using it with :

> Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with

killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too

familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no different. The

first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD &

some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School (gen

ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a

multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between classes

is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues). He's

also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me

> too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come with the usual kidney stress (not

overwhelming for us but definitely needs to be managed). Because of the

continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports

which we found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys topically & orally.

We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life

Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals in our protocol).

>

> Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular support here. I

have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut &

put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water

for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it

was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW

weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this

tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful

green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by

now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

watered her " not-doing-so-well "

> basil plant to have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully

on animals including dogs & horses.

>

> Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your

feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn further

for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to

contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product we

have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants)

w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to proper

functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any

man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given

immune system to fight it's intended fight.

>

> One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on

15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill.

After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs were

" normal " they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no longer

needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing

very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not

feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are on &

check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes as it

cycles through the layers the immune system is

> cleaning out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good

binders are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked

other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

>

> ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him &

get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I can

personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate

them. I am really excited about this product!!!

>

> http://immusist.com/index.html

>

> Rita

>

[Guest guest]

I also was interested until I read about the dyes. Why would they do that? Makes no sense to me at all.This sounded interesting to me until I looked at the list of ingredients, "flavorings, FD & C Red 40 and Blue 1".  That absolutely makes it a no no in our house.  Tamet I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….I just want to share what I have found. With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to protect the product  (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format. We had hit a plateau  &  this product has catapulted us to a new level of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It “turns on” the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100. Some things I’ve learned about it:It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any negative reactions.The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C)..Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SurfactantMedical info on (rx) surfactants: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant            Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or drug, including the above just gives you some             current info on surfactants in general. It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on how well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good. Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run,  then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it 5 months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally. What we have personally found using it with :Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues). He’s also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals in our protocol). Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she watered her “not-doing-so-well” basil plant to have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses. Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight it’s intended fight. One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs were “normal” they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the protocol  to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items. ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited about this product!!! http://immusist.com/index.html Rita 

[Guest guest]

Rita-=-=

It sounds like you are not seeing any adverse effects of the dye. Is this

correct?

Maybe we could all protest and the company will change the product

:0)

Why must it be included anyway???

> >

> > >

> > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > consumer….

> > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > >

> > >

> > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies that

> > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in this

> > > open group format.

> > >

> > >

> > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level

> > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune

> > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that

> > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA).

> > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the

> > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > >

> > >

> > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > >

> > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO

> > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > food.

> > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our

> > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small

> > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of

> > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > > boost the vit C)..

> > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric

> > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said

> > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > > info on surfactants in general.

> > >

> > >

> > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history is

> > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including

> > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a

> > > high level group including some of its founders early in the year &

> > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > > across the board are good.

> > >

> > >

> > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with

> > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me

> > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

> > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really

> > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > >

> > >

> > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > >

> > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even

> > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…

> > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely

> > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > >

> > >

> > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular support

> > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas

> > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3

> > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I

> > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one

> > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk right

> > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > dogs & horses.

> > >

> > >

> > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to

> > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or

> > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need to

> > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > it's intended fight.

> > >

> > >

> > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real

> > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what

> > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs

> > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we

> > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always

> > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through

> > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing

> > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > >

> > >

> > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > about this product!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > >

> > >

> > > Rita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

Thanks for sharing your expereinece with the product.

I would have love to use the product myself but looking at wikipedia information

the side effect of the colours really put me off.

en.wikipediaorg/wiki/Food_coloring

I have contacted the company and asked them if there is a possibility to get rid

of the colors, see what they respond.

Olga

>

>  I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….

> I just want to share what I have found.

> > 

> >With the posting of the XMRV study,I thought I'd share what we've been doing

for

> >the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to

> >protect the product  (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era

of

> >double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be

happy

> >to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in

this

> >open group format.

> >

> > 

> >We had hit a plateau &  this product has catapulted us to a new level of

healing.

> >I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research

I

> >have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria

&

> >parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach

> >themselves to our DNA). It “turns on†the immune system which enables our

bodies

> >to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

worms

> >so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products

(like

> >herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

brain)…..for

> >example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the

LDM-100.

> > 

> >Some things I’ve learned about it:

> > * It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

including 9

> >years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side

> >effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.

> >

> > * The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA

BioMed

> >is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any

negative

> >reactions.

> >

> > * The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible

> >use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about

the

> >soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste

> >with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot

> >type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a

full

> >glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> >boost the vit C)..

> >

> > * Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr.

Both

> >have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of

premature

> >babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use

them

> >carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to

general

> >info on surfactants:

> >

> > * Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > * Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> >http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> >            Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

drug, including

> >the above just gives you some             current info on

surfactants in

> >general.

> > 

> >It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with

> >HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s

targeted to

> >the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important

to me! It

> >assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen

all

> >of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on

how

> >well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> >brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it).

A

> >small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including

> >some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD

( &

> >families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

> > 

> >Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I

> >have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a

wide

> >variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has

been

> >using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run, 

> >then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found

> >dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it

5

> >months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

substantially

> >reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

around,

> >physically, socially & educationally.

> > 

> >What we have personally found using it with :

> >Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with

killing

> >organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too

> >familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no

different. The

> >first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD

&

> >some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

some

> >extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School

(gen

> >ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a

> >multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between

classes

> >is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues).

He’s

> >also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> >curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has

come

> >with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to

be

> >managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic

> >Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have

> >had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed

> >over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add

> >extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> >standard minerals in our protocol).

> >

> > 

> >Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support

here. I

> >have a digital picture (taken April 20,2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut

&

> >put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of

water

> >for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out &

it

> >was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> >flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

bad NW

> >weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this

> >tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful

> >green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown &

dead by

> >now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree

she

> >watered her “not-doing-so-well†basil plant to have it perk right up )

This is

> >also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses.

> > 

> >Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your

> >feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn

further

> >for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel

free to

> >contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product

we

> >have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants)

> >w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> >system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to

proper

> >functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any

> >man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given

> >immune system to fight it’s intended fight.

> > 

> >One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on

15

> >different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill.

> >After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs

were

> >“normal†they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no

longer

> >needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing

> >very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself

not

> >feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are

on &

> >check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

> >tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

> >support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes

as it

> >cycles through the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

> >testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> >protocol  to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it

for a

> >short time to help boost them & target items.

> > 

> >ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him

&

> >get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I

can

> >personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate

> >them. I am really excited about this product!!!

> > 

> >http://immusist.com/index.html

> > 

> >Rita

> > 

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

What dose are you using? Thanks.

Re: Info on the new product we've been using

Rita-=-=

It sounds like you are not seeing any adverse effects of the dye. Is this correct?

Maybe we could all protest and the company will change the product

:0)

Why must it be included anyway???

> >

> > >

> > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > consumerÂ….

> > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > >

> > >

> > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies that

> > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > some, but not all?'s on-listÂ….again to protect the product in this

> > > open group format.

> > >

> > >

> > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level

> > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune

> > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that

> > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA).

> > > It "turns on" the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > > the body (like the brain)Â…..for example, we use it together with the

> > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > >

> > >

> > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > >

> > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > including 9 years of well documented international useÂ….all with NO

> > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > food.

> > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our

> > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small

> > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of

> > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > > boost the vit C)..

> > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric

> > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arenaÂ….the dr. said

> > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > > info on surfactants in general.

> > >

> > >

> > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or LymeÂ….It's history is

> > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseasesÂ….didn't stop me!

> > > It's targeted to the immune systemÂ….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including

> > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > > doing on this product (for those that see our docsÂ….last month I

> > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a

> > > high level group including some of its founders early in the year &

> > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > > across the board are good.

> > >

> > >

> > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with

> > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me

> > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

> > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really

> > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > >

> > >

> > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > >

> > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > successful detoxÂ….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > frustrationÂ….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatementÂ…even

> > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculumÂ…

> > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely

> > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > >

> > >

> > > Talking about cells, this is amazingÂ….we're talking cellular support

> > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas

> > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3

> > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > flexibleÂ….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I

> > > have personally watched this treeÂ….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one

> > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > > watered her "not-doing-so-well" basil plant to have it perk right

> > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > dogs & horses.

> > >

> > >

> > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to

> > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or

> > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > > This product is not like any other product we have usedÂ….it is

> > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > immune system to tackle thingsÂ….it's our immune systems that need to

> > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > it's intended fight.

> > >

> > >

> > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real

> > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what

> > > was wrong because all the labs were "normal" they figured out that

> > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs

> > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we

> > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)Â…. & as always

> > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through

> > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing

> > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > >

> > >

> > > psÂ…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > this w/him & get him a sample for his ZytoÂ…..any other docs that

> > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > about this product!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > >

> > >

> > > Rita

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

It depends on the kid. With being 12 now & quite far along in his 6 years

of BioMeds I started him on 5 drops 2x a day (breakfast & dinner

dosing.....treat this as food w/what you're dosing it with....it is considered a

whole food). After about a month I upped it to his current dose (4 months) of 10

drops 2x a day (which is what he is currently ART testing well for).

One of the other children in our WA group that is smaller/younger (if I remember

right he is 6yo)was started on 1 or 2 drops 2x a day & she has built to 4 drops

2x a day.

For younger smaller children or children that are new to BioMeds & still need

quite a bit of detox I'd probably start on 1-3 drops 2x a day & build up from

there as they are tolerating....

For me, I'm about 2/3 detoxed (though still have some mercury amalgams that I

haven't had the funds to have removed). I started on 8 drops 2x day & am up to

10-15 drops 1x daily (breakfast dosing).

Please, Make Sure You Have good Binders On Board....especially for the metals

dump as the layers start peeling.

btw...I believe there are 1100 drops per bottle so 1 bottle is lasting my family

1 month(4 of us using it somewhat sparingly).

Again, this is fairly new w/ASD kids so feedback is how we are learning more

(thanks!)

btw, if the child just won't take it, it can be applied topically (it actually

works well on soars...I'm using it topically on one of my daughters soars right

now, it will help stop the bleeding) as well including acupuncture points &

belly button (which is how one of the children was told to take the

LDM-100...they can be dropped into the belly button together...then lasered in

if you want).

Hope this helps,

Rita

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > consumerÂ….

> > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies that

> > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > > some, but not all?'s on-listÂ….again to protect the product in this

> > > > open group format.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level

> > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune

> > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that

> > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA).

> > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > > > the body (like the brain)Â…..for example, we use it together with the

> > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > >

> > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > > including 9 years of well documented international useÂ….all with NO

> > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > > food.

> > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our

> > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small

> > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of

> > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric

> > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arenaÂ….the dr. said

> > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or LymeÂ….It's history is

> > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseasesÂ….didn't stop me!

> > > > It's targeted to the immune systemÂ….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including

> > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docsÂ….last month I

> > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a

> > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the year &

> > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > > > across the board are good.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with

> > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me

> > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

> > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really

> > > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > >

> > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > > successful detoxÂ….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > frustrationÂ….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatementÂ…even

> > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculumÂ…

> > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely

> > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Talking about cells, this is amazingÂ….we're talking cellular support

> > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas

> > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3

> > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > flexibleÂ….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I

> > > > have personally watched this treeÂ….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one

> > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk right

> > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > > dogs & horses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to

> > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or

> > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > > > This product is not like any other product we have usedÂ….it is

> > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > > immune system to tackle thingsÂ….it's our immune systems that need to

> > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > > it's intended fight.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real

> > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what

> > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs

> > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we

> > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)Â…. & as always

> > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through

> > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing

> > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > psÂ…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his ZytoÂ…..any other docs that

> > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > > about this product!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've talked to them myself about these, but to no avail. One of our docs is a

PhD in nutrition & is generally Very Careful about dyes & such....he's very

pleased with the product & is moving forward with big success because the

benefits have been so positive. Thus far we have seen No Adverse Side Effects &

have blessings from all our docs on his continued healings.

btw...we do take them w/meals which also include HNI's TriEnza (TriEnza has

NoPhenols which also helps break down the dyes....can't guarantee if that's why

we've not seen negatives from this...but thinking about it now it could possibly

be helping). Either way we've used it 5 months now not telling you about it till

I had more personal experience w/it & I Love The Product!

Rita

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > consumer….

> > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies that

> > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in this

> > > > open group format.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level

> > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune

> > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that

> > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA).

> > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the

> > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > >

> > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO

> > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > > food.

> > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our

> > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small

> > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of

> > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric

> > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said

> > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history is

> > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including

> > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a

> > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the year &

> > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > > > across the board are good.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with

> > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me

> > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

> > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really

> > > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > >

> > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even

> > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…

> > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely

> > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular support

> > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas

> > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3

> > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I

> > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one

> > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk right

> > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > > dogs & horses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to

> > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or

> > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need to

> > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > > it's intended fight.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real

> > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what

> > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs

> > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we

> > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always

> > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through

> > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing

> > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > > about this product!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mason,

I e-mailed them today to get further clarification on this from them & the

e-mail said to treat this like food....

Rita

> >

> > Rita,

> > Can you take this product while on antibiotics?

> >

> > To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> > From: rchildbalance@

> > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:46:18 -0700

> > Subject: Info on the new product we've

been using

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

consumer….

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I just want to share what I have found.

> >

> >

> > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've been

doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this

e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as it's starting into a new

era of double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be

happy to answer some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in

this open group format.

> >

> > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level of

healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my

research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses,

bacteria & parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system &

attach themselves to our DNA). It " turns on " the immune system which enables our

bodies to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites

& worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products

(like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

brain)…..for example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost

the LDM-100.

> >

> > Some things I've learned about it:

> >

> > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas including

9 years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side

effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.

> > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA

BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any

negative reactions.

> > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible

use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about the

soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste

with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot

type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full

glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

boost the vit C)..

> > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr.

Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of

premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they

use them carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to

general info on surfactants:

> >

> > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or drug,

including the above just gives you some current info on surfactants

in general.

> >

> > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history is with

HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me! It's targeted to

the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that's what's important to me! It

assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen all

of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how

well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A

small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including

some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD ( &

families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

> >

> > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I

have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a wide

variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has been

using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run,

then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found

dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is substantially

reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around,

physically, socially & educationally.

> >

> > What we have personally found using it with :

> > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with

killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too

familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no different. The

first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD &

some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School (gen

ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a

multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between classes

is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues). He's

also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me

> > too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come with the usual kidney stress

(not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to be managed). Because of the

continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports

which we found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys topically & orally.

We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life

Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals in our protocol).

> >

> > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular support here. I

have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut &

put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water

for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it

was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW

weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this

tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful

green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by

now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

watered her " not-doing-so-well "

> > basil plant to have it perk right up ) This is also being used

successfully on animals including dogs & horses.

> >

> > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your

feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn further

for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to

contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product we

have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants)

w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to proper

functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any

man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given

immune system to fight it's intended fight.

> >

> > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was

on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got

ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs

were " normal " they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no longer

needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing

very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not

feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are on &

check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes as it

cycles through the layers the immune system is

> > cleaning out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good

binders are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked

other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> >

> > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him

& get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I

can personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate

them. I am really excited about this product!!!

> >

> > http://immusist.com/index.html

> >

> > Rita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

Thanks for all the information.

Re: Info on the new product we've been using

,

It depends on the kid. With being 12 now & quite far along in his 6 years of BioMeds I started him on 5 drops 2x a day (breakfast & dinner dosing.....treat this as food w/what you're dosing it with....it is considered a whole food). After about a month I upped it to his current dose (4 months) of 10 drops 2x a day (which is what he is currently ART testing well for).

One of the other children in our WA group that is smaller/younger (if I remember right he is 6yo)was started on 1 or 2 drops 2x a day & she has built to 4 drops 2x a day.

For younger smaller children or children that are new to BioMeds & still need quite a bit of detox I'd probably start on 1-3 drops 2x a day & build up from there as they are tolerating....

For me, I'm about 2/3 detoxed (though still have some mercury amalgams that I haven't had the funds to have removed). I started on 8 drops 2x day & am up to 10-15 drops 1x daily (breakfast dosing).

Please, Make Sure You Have good Binders On Board....especially for the metals dump as the layers start peeling.

btw...I believe there are 1100 drops per bottle so 1 bottle is lasting my family 1 month(4 of us using it somewhat sparingly).

Again, this is fairly new w/ASD kids so feedback is how we are learning more (thanks!)

btw, if the child just won't take it, it can be applied topically (it actually works well on soars...I'm using it topically on one of my daughters soars right now, it will help stop the bleeding) as well including acupuncture points & belly button (which is how one of the children was told to take the LDM-100...they can be dropped into the belly button together...then lasered in if you want).

Hope this helps,

Rita

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > consumer….

> > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies that

> > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in this

> > > > open group format.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level

> > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune

> > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that

> > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA).

> > > > It "turns on" the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the

> > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > >

> > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO

> > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > > food.

> > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our

> > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small

> > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of

> > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric

> > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said

> > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history is

> > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including

> > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a

> > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the year &

> > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > > > across the board are good.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with

> > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me

> > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

> > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really

> > > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > >

> > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even

> > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…

> > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely

> > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular support

> > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas

> > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3

> > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I

> > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one

> > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > > > watered her "not-doing-so-well" basil plant to have it perk right

> > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > > dogs & horses.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to

> > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or

> > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need to

> > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > > it's intended fight.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real

> > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what

> > > > was wrong because all the labs were "normal" they figured out that

> > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs

> > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we

> > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always

> > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through

> > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing

> > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > > about this product!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rita

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It doesn't make sense to put dyes into a liquid medicine. I think that the dyes

may be part of the treatment. They may be interacting with the other

ingredients in a chemical reaction manner to obtain the chemical composition to

obtain the desired results. It appears that some call it an antiviral, so maybe

those responding have strong viral issues.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > > consumer….

> > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies that

> > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in this

> > > > > open group format.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new level

> > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune

> > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that

> > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA).

> > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with the

> > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > >

> > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with NO

> > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > > > food.

> > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our

> > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small

> > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of

> > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric

> > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said

> > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history is

> > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including

> > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a

> > > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the year &

> > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with

> > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me

> > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it 5

> > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really

> > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even

> > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math curriculum…

> > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely

> > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular support

> > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a Christmas

> > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3

> > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one. I

> > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon one

> > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk right

> > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to

> > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or

> > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > > > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need to

> > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real

> > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what

> > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer needs

> > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it (we

> > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as always

> > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles through

> > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART testing

> > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rita

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

What is the source of the surfactants? I am considering getting this, but just

want to do a little more research, check for allergies.

Are you still seeing good results?

I did discover that probiotics secrete surfactants that prevent the adhesion of

bad bacteria. But of course it's getting rid of that bad bacteria first that

needs to be done. I wonder if the surfactants in this product attack biofilm.

Thanks so much,

Bethany

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies

that

> > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in this

> > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new

level

> > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

immune

> > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those

that

> > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our

DNA).

> > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

> > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of

> > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with

the

> > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with

NO

> > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of

our

> > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have

> > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down &

do

> > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/

> > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option).

> > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a

small

> > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass

of

> > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

Pediatric

> > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr.

said

> > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the

high

> > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on

surfactants:

> > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some current

> > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history

is

> > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related

issues

> > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

including

> > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is

> > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with

a

> > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the year

&

> > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it. Reports

> > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis

with

> > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had

amazing

> > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told

me

> > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs

after

> > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using it

5

> > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

> > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really,

really

> > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of

months

> > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be some

> > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in

Middle

> > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) &

only

> > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800

kids

> > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even

> > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

curriculum…

> > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has come

> > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but

definitely

> > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up

> > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found

> > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to

> > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular

support

> > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a

Christmas

> > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with

3

> > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on

his

> > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this one.

I

> > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy to

> > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon

one

> > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree she

> > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk right

> > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly

to

> > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections

or

> > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off

list.

> > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that need

to

> > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing

real

> > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out

what

> > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing very

> > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product, look

> > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer

needs

> > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it

(we

> > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as

always

> > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles

through

> > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

testing

> > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals

> > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

I also wanted to ask: do you think that this product needs another one to go

with it (i.e. LDM 100)? How effective do you think it is on its own?

Thanks,

Bethany

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what

we've

> > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind studies

that

> > > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to answer

> > > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product in

this

> > > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new

level

> > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it

last

> > > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

immune

> > > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those

that

> > > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to our

DNA).

> > > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to heal

> > > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites

&

> > > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry

> > > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult areas

of

> > > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together with

the

> > > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

overseas

> > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with

NO

> > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a

whole

> > > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of

our

> > > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it

have

> > > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down

& do

> > > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it

w/

> > > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good

option).

> > > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a

small

> > > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass

of

> > > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to

further

> > > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

Pediatric

> > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr.

said

> > > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the

high

> > > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on

surfactants:

> > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some

current

> > > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's history

is

> > > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't stop

me!

> > > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset

> > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related

issues

> > > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

including

> > > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he

is

> > > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART

> > > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met

with a

> > > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the

year &

> > > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it.

Reports

> > > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis

with

> > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had

amazing

> > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He

told me

> > > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs

after

> > > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been using

it 5

> > > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress

is

> > > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really,

really

> > > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that

comes

> > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of

months

> > > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some

extra

> > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

some

> > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in

Middle

> > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) &

only

> > > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800

kids

> > > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an

understatement…even

> > > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

curriculum…

> > > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has

come

> > > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but

definitely

> > > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended

up

> > > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we

found

> > > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders (especially

> > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition

to

> > > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular

support

> > > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a

Christmas

> > > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered

with 3

> > > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on

his

> > > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than this

one. I

> > > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am happy

to

> > > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree that

> > > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now. Upon

one

> > > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree

she

> > > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk

right

> > > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals including

> > > > > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly

to

> > > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections

or

> > > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off

list.

> > > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals & plants)

w/an

> > > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an

> > > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that

need to

> > > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working immune

> > > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This product

> > > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to fight

> > > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a

woman

> > > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing

real

> > > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out

what

> > > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured out

that

> > > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor

> > > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she doing

very

> > > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find

> > > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this product,

look

> > > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no longer

needs

> > > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using it

(we

> > > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. & as

always

> > > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles

through

> > > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

testing

> > > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> > > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other

naturals

> > > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review

> > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What was the dose you started with? What did you work up to?

J

>

>  I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a consumer….

> I just want to share what I have found.

> > 

> >With the posting of the XMRV study,I thought I'd share what we've been doing

for

> >the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the product out of this e-mail to

> >protect the product  (see link @ bottom) as it’s starting into a new era

of

> >double-blind studies that is in the process of being organized. I will be

happy

> >to answer some, but not all?’s on-list….again to protect the product in

this

> >open group format.

> >

> > 

> >We had hit a plateau &  this product has catapulted us to a new level of

healing.

> >I was introduced to it & started looking into it last fall. From my research

I

> >have found that it helps the bodies immune system identify viruses, bacteria

&

> >parasites (including those that try to hide from the immune system & attach

> >themselves to our DNA). It “turns on†the immune system which enables our

bodies

> >to heal itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like parasites &

worms

> >so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to carry other products

(like

> >herbs & supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

brain)…..for

> >example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost the

LDM-100.

> > 

> >Some things I’ve learned about it:

> > * It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

including 9

> >years of well documented international use….all with NO known negative side

> >effects to date. It is categorized as a whole food.

> >

> > * The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of our WA

BioMed

> >is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not seen any

negative

> >reactions.

> >

> > * The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or ingestible

> >use. My family including drinks it right down & do not complain about

the

> >soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of our kids (masking the taste

> >with juice is a good option). The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot

> >type glass w/a small amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a

full

> >glass of water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to further

> >boost the vit C)..

> >

> > * Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a Pediatric Dr.

Both

> >have told me of surfactants use to help increase the survival rate of

premature

> >babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the biggest drawback is they use

them

> >carefully because of the high cost. For your info here is some links to

general

> >info on surfactants:

> >

> > * Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > * Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> >http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> >            Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

drug, including

> >the above just gives you some             current info on

surfactants in

> >general.

> > 

> >It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It’s history is with

> >HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn’t stop me! It’s

targeted to

> >the immune system….with my BioMedical mindset that’s what’s important

to me! It

> >assists autoimmune related issues with low side effects. We have since seen

all

> >of our docs including our Herbalist & have received high OK’s from ALL on

how

> >well he is doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> >brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it).

A

> >small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group including

> >some of its founders early in the year & we now have several recovering ASD

( &

> >families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

> > 

> >Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis with this. I

> >have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing results from a

wide

> >variety of autoimmune issues including a lab tech in Northern WA that has

been

> >using it for some time. He told me to have baseline immune system labs run, 

> >then rerun the labs after 30-60 days of product use where they have found

> >dramatic improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we’ve been using it

5

> >months & ’s viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body stress is

substantially

> >reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

around,

> >physically, socially & educationally.

> > 

> >What we have personally found using it with :

> >Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes with

killing

> >organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical intervention we are all too

> >familiar with the side effects of a successful detox….this was no

different. The

> >first couple of months along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD

&

> >some extra frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

some

> >extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle School

(gen

> >ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only 3 minutes between a

> >multi-level school building with about 800 kids (to say traffic between

classes

> >is tough is an understatement…even some of the regular kids have issues).

He’s

> >also learning multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> >curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has

come

> >with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but definitely needs to

be

> >managed). Because of the continuing detox we ended up adding extra Ionic

> >Footbaths & extra laser supports which we found additionally helpful. We have

> >had to up our binders (especially Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed

> >over the kidneys topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add

> >extra minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> >standard minerals in our protocol).

> >

> > 

> >Talking about cells, this is amazing….we’re talking cellular support

here. I

> >have a digital picture (taken April 20,2011) of a Christmas tree that was cut

&

> >put up the middle of Dec. It was watered with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of

water

> >for the 1 month that it was displayed inside. The water was then dumped out &

it

> >was put on his back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> >flexible….I’ve seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

bad NW

> >weather this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched this

> >tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of this beautiful

> >green Christmas tree that hasn’t figured out it’s suppose to be brown &

dead by

> >now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this tree

she

> >watered her “not-doing-so-well†basil plant to have it perk right up )

This is

> >also being used successfully on animals including dogs & horses.

> > 

> >Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I value your

> >feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help me learn

further

> >for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. Any ?’s, please feel

free to

> >contact me either on or off list. This product is not like any other product

we

> >have used….it is beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants)

> >w/an immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> >system to tackle things….it’s our immune systems that need to be reset to

proper

> >functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not need any

> >man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting our God given

> >immune system to fight it’s intended fight.

> > 

> >One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman that was on

15

> >different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well on it she got ill.

> >After no one in the ER could figure out what was wrong because all the labs

were

> >“normal†they figured out that it was all the meds that her body no

longer

> >needed! The doctor removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing

> >very well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself

not

> >feeling well after a short time on this product, look at everything you are

on &

> >check to see if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

> >tested protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

> >support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox related changes

as it

> >cycles through the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

> >testing it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for the

> >protocol  to test its highest. We have piggybacked other naturals onto it

for a

> >short time to help boost them & target items.

> > 

> >ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to review this w/him

&

> >get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that needs info or samples I

can

> >personally connect them w/either the founders or lab guy to further educate

> >them. I am really excited about this product!!!

> > 

> >http://immusist.com/index.html

> > 

> >Rita

> > 

>

[Guest guest]

Off-list someone asked some of the things we are seeing w/the product w/ASD

kids....I've been to busy to respond. This is always such a loaded ? because

there are so many factors w/ASD kids....so disclaimer, I'm not promising all

children w/respond....

What we personally have seen w/ is further social engagement, he's

" getting " even more & most important to me, the healing level in his recovery

has gone up (w/less overall body stress as his body is pushing further toward

better health).

It is showing a faster/more pronounced healing on one of the younger (3yo) boys

in our WA group....the mom went & saw the 5 month old healthy Christmas tree

after I told her about it (young children, animals & plants don't lie about a

products that benefit the cell. Just like the experiment we ran on the

Kangen...my friend had pathetic looking impatient plants that we ran an

experiment on....we watered them every day w/only Kangen water & w/i a week they

were all noticably bigger, more blooms & healthier plants....we are finding the

same w/this product).

After she received hers she waited till the weekend when it was more relaxed

(for mom's it's best to start the 1st dose when relaxed because many people feel

something if they are in tuned w/their bodies...pay attension & e-mail me

off-list if you feel it, I was not told about it & told them what happened )

We don't expect kids to tell us, but the plugged in moms on this list I think

w/pay attention & experience it.....I'll know when you confirm what you felt

w/me off-list.

So back to this 3yo, w/in a couple of weeks the mom called me & said he had a

big increase in language, eye contact, appropriate verbal interchanges. I've

been mentoring this mom for about 6 months. She had done diet & has been to one

of our docs to do lab work & had started a couple of other biomed things. He had

gone from basically non-verbal to a little talking in the 5 months that we did

standard stuff. About 2 weeks after starting this product the mom commented " I

hope this does not stop " . We've been amazed at his jump in language & social

skills. It's been 2 weeks since she stopped by to visit w/him & the improvements

are continuing.

As always, is slower than this younger boy, but steady improvements all

the same....even w/the little bad in the product, the good properties to the

cell itself has pushed me through to work with the large cellular benefits this

product has.

Rita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as

a

> > > > > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what

we've

> > > > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of

the

> > > > > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link

@

> > > > > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind

studies that

> > > > > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to

answer

> > > > > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product

in this

> > > > > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a

new level

> > > > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it

last

> > > > > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

immune

> > > > > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including

those that

> > > > > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to

our DNA).

> > > > > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to

heal

> > > > > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like

parasites &

> > > > > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to

carry

> > > > > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult

areas of

> > > > > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together

with the

> > > > > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

overseas

> > > > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all

with NO

> > > > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a

whole

> > > > > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group

of our

> > > > > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using

it have

> > > > > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical

or

> > > > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right

down & do

> > > > > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about

it w/

> > > > > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good

option).

> > > > > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass

w/a small

> > > > > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full

glass of

> > > > > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to

further

> > > > > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

Pediatric

> > > > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase

the

> > > > > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the

dr. said

> > > > > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of

the high

> > > > > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on

surfactants:

> > > > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx

or

> > > > > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some

current

> > > > > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's

history is

> > > > > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't

stop me!

> > > > > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical

mindset

> > > > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related

issues

> > > > > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

including

> > > > > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well

he is

> > > > > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last

month I

> > > > > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be

ART

> > > > > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met

with a

> > > > > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the

year &

> > > > > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it.

Reports

> > > > > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular

basis with

> > > > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had

amazing

> > > > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a

lab

> > > > > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He

told me

> > > > > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the

labs after

> > > > > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been

using it 5

> > > > > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body

stress is

> > > > > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really,

really

> > > > > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially &

educationally.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that

comes

> > > > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects

of a

> > > > > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of

months

> > > > > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some

extra

> > > > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

some

> > > > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year

in Middle

> > > > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

combinations) & only

> > > > > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about

800 kids

> > > > > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an

understatement…even

> > > > > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

curriculum…

> > > > > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has

come

> > > > > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but

definitely

> > > > > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we

ended up

> > > > > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we

found

> > > > > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

(especially

> > > > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add

extra

> > > > > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in

addition to

> > > > > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular

support

> > > > > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a

Christmas

> > > > > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered

with 3

> > > > > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put

on his

> > > > > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than

this one. I

> > > > > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am

happy to

> > > > > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree

that

> > > > > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now.

Upon one

> > > > > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this

tree she

> > > > > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk

right

> > > > > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals

including

> > > > > > > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

years, I

> > > > > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product,

mainly to

> > > > > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD,

lyme/co-infections or

> > > > > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or

off list.

> > > > > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it

is

> > > > > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants) w/an

> > > > > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave

us an

> > > > > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that

need to

> > > > > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working

immune

> > > > > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This

product

> > > > > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to

fight

> > > > > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a

woman

> > > > > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of

doing real

> > > > > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure

out what

> > > > > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured

out that

> > > > > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The

doctor

> > > > > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing very

> > > > > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff &

find

> > > > > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this

product, look

> > > > > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no

longer needs

> > > > > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using

it (we

> > > > > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. &

as always

> > > > > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles

through

> > > > > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

testing

> > > > > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for

the

> > > > > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other

naturals

> > > > > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

review

> > > > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs

that

> > > > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either

the

> > > > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

excited

> > > > > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

When you combine it with another product, do you stir them together? Or just

give them at the same time?

Also, I found the following studies on surfactants. Do you think this is how

this product works?

http://iv.iiarjournals.org/content/24/5/687.abstract

Abstract

Background/Aim: The aim of the present study was to develop the basis for the

use of surfactants in the treatment of pulmonary tuberculosis (TB). Bacteria are

surrounded by a thick lipid coat primarily consisting of trehalose dimycolate

(TDM) and, consequently, are well shielded from the immune system's response and

antibiotics. This protective barrier was removed by exposing the bacteria to

certain surfactants. Materials and Methods: Dodecyl maltoside (DDM) and octyl

glucoside (OG) were utilized as non-toxic surfactants. Results: Electron

microscopy (EM) studies revealed that aggregated bacteria were also covered with

excessive TDM which exacerbate the treatment efforts. Light and EM studies

demonstrated that DDM and OG disperse the aggregated bacteria and are

bactericidal. Conclusion: The studies presented here establish that certain

surfactants are proficient in removing MTB's shield and, because they are well

known as cell permeabilizing agents, they may also enhance the effectiveness of

antibiotics and the immune system's response in the treatment of pulmonary TB.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/30109297

Pulmonary surfactant protein D (SP-D) is implicated in pulmonary defense against

pathogens. SP-D was found to bind C. albicans, resulting in agglutination of

the microorganisms. Binding was calcium dependent and was inhibited by maltose

or mannose. Incubation of C. albigcans with SP-D resulted in profound fungal

growth inhibition and decreased hyphal outgrowth. Furthermore, it was found

that SP-D inhibited phagocytosis of C. albicans by alveolar macrophages. These

data suggest that the lung collectin SP-D has an important role in first-line

defense against C. albicans in the lung, by agglutinating C. albicans and

limiting their growth, without the need for macrophage activation.

I think we'll start today with 1 drop 2x with my 30-lber.

Thanks,

Bethany

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as

a

> > > > > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what

we've

> > > > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of

the

> > > > > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link

@

> > > > > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind

studies that

> > > > > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to

answer

> > > > > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product

in this

> > > > > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a

new level

> > > > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it

last

> > > > > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

immune

> > > > > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including

those that

> > > > > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to

our DNA).

> > > > > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies to

heal

> > > > > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like

parasites &

> > > > > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to

carry

> > > > > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult

areas of

> > > > > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it together

with the

> > > > > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

overseas

> > > > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all

with NO

> > > > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a

whole

> > > > > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group

of our

> > > > > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using

it have

> > > > > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical

or

> > > > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right

down & do

> > > > > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about

it w/

> > > > > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good

option).

> > > > > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass

w/a small

> > > > > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full

glass of

> > > > > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to

further

> > > > > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

Pediatric

> > > > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase

the

> > > > > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the

dr. said

> > > > > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of

the high

> > > > > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on

surfactants:

> > > > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx

or

> > > > > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some

current

> > > > > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's

history is

> > > > > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't

stop me!

> > > > > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical

mindset

> > > > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related

issues

> > > > > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

including

> > > > > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well

he is

> > > > > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last

month I

> > > > > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be

ART

> > > > > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met

with a

> > > > > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders early in the

year &

> > > > > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it.

Reports

> > > > > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular

basis with

> > > > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had

amazing

> > > > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a

lab

> > > > > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He

told me

> > > > > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the

labs after

> > > > > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been

using it 5

> > > > > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body

stress is

> > > > > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing really,

really

> > > > > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially &

educationally.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that

comes

> > > > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects

of a

> > > > > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple of

months

> > > > > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some

extra

> > > > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

some

> > > > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year

in Middle

> > > > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

combinations) & only

> > > > > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about

800 kids

> > > > > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an

understatement…even

> > > > > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

curriculum…

> > > > > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement has

come

> > > > > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but

definitely

> > > > > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we

ended up

> > > > > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which we

found

> > > > > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

(especially

> > > > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add

extra

> > > > > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in

addition to

> > > > > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular

support

> > > > > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a

Christmas

> > > > > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was watered

with 3

> > > > > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put

on his

> > > > > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with our

> > > > > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than

this one. I

> > > > > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am

happy to

> > > > > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas tree

that

> > > > > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now.

Upon one

> > > > > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this

tree she

> > > > > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it perk

right

> > > > > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals

including

> > > > > > > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

years, I

> > > > > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product,

mainly to

> > > > > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD,

lyme/co-infections or

> > > > > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or

off list.

> > > > > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have used….it

is

> > > > > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants) w/an

> > > > > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave

us an

> > > > > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems that

need to

> > > > > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working

immune

> > > > > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This

product

> > > > > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to

fight

> > > > > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a

woman

> > > > > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of

doing real

> > > > > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure

out what

> > > > > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured

out that

> > > > > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The

doctor

> > > > > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing very

> > > > > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff &

find

> > > > > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this

product, look

> > > > > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no

longer needs

> > > > > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when using

it (we

> > > > > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. &

as always

> > > > > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it cycles

through

> > > > > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when ART

testing

> > > > > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board for

the

> > > > > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other

naturals

> > > > > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target items.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

review

> > > > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs

that

> > > > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either

the

> > > > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

excited

> > > > > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bethany,

To use another product you can do either way, mix it w/the product or take it

together...just make sure what you take it with will benefit the whole body

(including the brain.....). It can be used this way with either oral or

transdermal....just make sure you use good water when administering it.

To give you an example of how this works since it sounds like you have the

product. Take a piece of cardboard...like the end of a 12-18 " box...if possible

a lightly waxed one works best...like a fruit box, if you don't have it any

piece of cardboard will do. Pour 2 pools of water (separated) onto the box piece

that's setting flat on a table....do not disturb the pools...they'll set their

for a couple of hours pooled if you just let them set (let the kids see this,

they'll have fun w/it). Now, after the pools set w/their boundries established

(leave it just set for a min or so) you can take 1 drop of the product & watch

it disburse one of the pools...the other will remain unless you set the pools to

close together that the pool w/the drop of surfactant runs into the second

pooled water....it will then disburse that one to. As it breaks down the surface

tension of the cells the water will disburse the product quite a ways....it

takes very little to do this. I'm saying this to demonstrate the more water you

use w/it the more it w/disburse....taking it w/good water is very important (I

use the Kangen water additionally w/it to further disburse the microclustered,

oxygenated water, because we know the benefits of good water). In the same

token, they have found certain products (including some rx's) have actually

slowed down the rate of healing....it's well documented in other countries.

An example of how I've been using is w/my family: My daughter did not tell me

(8yo) that she had a patch of dry/flaky/irritated to bleeding sore on her

leg...don't know how long she had it because our whether here has been so

bad....last week we FINALLY had 4 days of sun & above 50 degrees for the 1st

time since last Sept (... We gladly found our shorts, my daugher came out & I

said, " what's on your leg " .... I immediately sprayed it w/Kangen beauty water

(perfect ph for the skin...which would also activated/carries the surfactants).

I have one of the sample sizes of the LDM-100 (LOVE the size of the little

bottle...I've used that little sample size since the LIA conference in AZ) which

I put 3 drops of these surfactants into the little bottle of LDM-100 & have been

using it for multiple topical applications (enhances & helps carry the

anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal properties of the LDM-100....so

what-ever it was, I figured it would hit them all at once...it did not look like

ringworm or I would have added something like ia or Humaworm to tackle that

as well....it's all natural & won't hurt). I keep some Kangen beauty water in a

small glass spray bottle to help manage my families hair (works great on

tangles) so I sprayed to get lightly damp, then dropped a couple of drops of the

LDM-100/surfactants on the sore then had her hold my Lightworks on " A " /skin for

a couple of min. while I used my AMWand on it (I was hitting it w/all I've

got...gotta love all that we've learned!). The next day it looked

better....after a couple of days it was pink w/new healing skin....I only had

time to treat every evening before bed....oh also, surfactants can be drying to

the skin, I followed the treatment by putting some Aloe/Neem gel + Calendula oil

then a bandaid so the sheets would not rub it off. I also used this same

treatment on the neighbor boys BAD skinned knee a couple of weeks ago w/he was

over playing....it initially stings/make sure & have the aloe & calendula right

there because it helps cool the sting....but it will help stop the bleeding &

heal better....no infection in that bad hurt.

Back to clearly answering (as apposed to the rambling above) it can be used both

mixed & taken at the same time...both work as long as there is water

w/them....both orally & transdermally...including some dosing into the belly

botton.

Re the studies: You are absolutely on the right track with these studies. It is

my understanding that this product has these properties + other properties that

very much benefit the cells....I can't yet disclose on-line during this products

critical time of double-blind studies (I have been allowed to see high level

documentation from it's oversees use & all I can say is it's

impressive/especially w/difficult viruses, bacterias & parasites....btw, a

double-blind is no small task & runs about $20mil).

Hope this further helps....keep me posted if you do choose to use it (either on

or off-list...thanks!).

Rita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but

as a

> > > > > > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share

what we've

> > > > > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of

the

> > > > > > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see

link @

> > > > > > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind

studies that

> > > > > > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to

answer

> > > > > > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the product

in this

> > > > > > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a

new level

> > > > > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into

it last

> > > > > > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the

bodies immune

> > > > > > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including

those that

> > > > > > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves to

our DNA).

> > > > > > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies

to heal

> > > > > > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like

parasites &

> > > > > > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used to

carry

> > > > > > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult

areas of

> > > > > > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it

together with the

> > > > > > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

overseas

> > > > > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

use….all with NO

> > > > > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as

a whole

> > > > > > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small

group of our

> > > > > > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using

it have

> > > > > > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

topical or

> > > > > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right

down & do

> > > > > > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned

about it w/

> > > > > > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good

option).

> > > > > > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type glass

w/a small

> > > > > > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full

glass of

> > > > > > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want to

further

> > > > > > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

Pediatric

> > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase

the

> > > > > > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical

arena….the dr. said

> > > > > > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of

the high

> > > > > > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info on

surfactants:

> > > > > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a

rx or

> > > > > > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some

current

> > > > > > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's

history is

> > > > > > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't

stop me!

> > > > > > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical

mindset

> > > > > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

related issues

> > > > > > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

including

> > > > > > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how

well he is

> > > > > > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last

month I

> > > > > > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be

ART

> > > > > > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms)

met with a

> > > > > > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders early in

the year &

> > > > > > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using it.

Reports

> > > > > > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular

basis with

> > > > > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have

had amazing

> > > > > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including

a lab

> > > > > > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some time.

He told me

> > > > > > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the

labs after

> > > > > > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > > > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've been

using it 5

> > > > > > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body

stress is

> > > > > > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing

really, really

> > > > > > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially &

educationally.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping

that comes

> > > > > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side effects

of a

> > > > > > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first couple

of months

> > > > > > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD &

some extra

> > > > > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to

be some

> > > > > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year

in Middle

> > > > > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

combinations) & only

> > > > > > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with about

800 kids

> > > > > > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an

understatement…even

> > > > > > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

curriculum…

> > > > > > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement

has come

> > > > > > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but

definitely

> > > > > > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we

ended up

> > > > > > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which

we found

> > > > > > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

(especially

> > > > > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the

kidneys

> > > > > > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add

extra

> > > > > > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in

addition to

> > > > > > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking

cellular support

> > > > > > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a

Christmas

> > > > > > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was

watered with 3

> > > > > > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it

was

> > > > > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

put on his

> > > > > > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with

our

> > > > > > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than

this one. I

> > > > > > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am

happy to

> > > > > > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas

tree that

> > > > > > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by now.

Upon one

> > > > > > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this

tree she

> > > > > > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it

perk right

> > > > > > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals

including

> > > > > > > > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

years, I

> > > > > > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the product,

mainly to

> > > > > > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD,

lyme/co-infections or

> > > > > > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or

off list.

> > > > > > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have

used….it is

> > > > > > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants) w/an

> > > > > > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God gave

us an

> > > > > > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems

that need to

> > > > > > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working

immune

> > > > > > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This

product

> > > > > > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system to

fight

> > > > > > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with

a woman

> > > > > > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of

doing real

> > > > > > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could

figure out what

> > > > > > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they figured

out that

> > > > > > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The

doctor

> > > > > > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing very

> > > > > > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff &

find

> > > > > > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this

product, look

> > > > > > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no

longer needs

> > > > > > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when

using it (we

> > > > > > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support items)…. &

as always

> > > > > > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it

cycles through

> > > > > > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when

ART testing

> > > > > > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board

for the

> > > > > > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other

naturals

> > > > > > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target

items.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

review

> > > > > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other

docs that

> > > > > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them

w/either the

> > > > > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

excited

> > > > > > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

Thank you for all this information. It sounds like you have something great

happening for your family.

I was wondering if you could explain to me what you mean by good water? We

don't have Kangan water, but we have reverse osmosis. Is there a certain Ph

that is best when giving supplements? I remember a conversation on here a few

days ago about ph levels and metals...I would love clarification.

Also, what are your thoughts on using the surfactant product on a young child

who is fairly new to biomedical. Is this too much too soon or would it be

helpful? Just curious.

Thanks for your input!

na

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company

but as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share

what we've

> > > > > > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name

of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product (see

link @

> > > > > > > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of double-blind

studies that

> > > > > > > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy to

answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the

product in this

> > > > > > > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to

a new level

> > > > > > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking

into it last

> > > > > > > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the

bodies immune

> > > > > > > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including

those that

> > > > > > > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves

to our DNA).

> > > > > > > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our bodies

to heal

> > > > > > > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like

parasites &

> > > > > > > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used

to carry

> > > > > > > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into difficult

areas of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it

together with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

overseas

> > > > > > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

use….all with NO

> > > > > > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized

as a whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small

group of our

> > > > > > > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones

using it have

> > > > > > > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

topical or

> > > > > > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it

right down & do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned

about it w/

> > > > > > > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a good

option).

> > > > > > > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type

glass w/a small

> > > > > > > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a

full glass of

> > > > > > > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I want

to further

> > > > > > > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN &

a Pediatric

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help

increase the

> > > > > > > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical

arena….the dr. said

> > > > > > > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully because

of the high

> > > > > > > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info

on surfactants:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT

a rx or

> > > > > > > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some

current

> > > > > > > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's

history is

> > > > > > > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related

diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > > > > > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical

mindset

> > > > > > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

related issues

> > > > > > > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our

docs including

> > > > > > > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how

well he is

> > > > > > > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our docs….last

month I

> > > > > > > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask to

be ART

> > > > > > > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms)

met with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders early in

the year &

> > > > > > > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using

it. Reports

> > > > > > > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a

cellular basis with

> > > > > > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have

had amazing

> > > > > > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues

including a lab

> > > > > > > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some

time. He told me

> > > > > > > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the

labs after

> > > > > > > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found dramatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've

been using it 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall body

stress is

> > > > > > > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing

really, really

> > > > > > > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially &

educationally.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping

that comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of

BioMedical

> > > > > > > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side

effects of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first

couple of months

> > > > > > > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD &

some extra

> > > > > > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe

to be some

> > > > > > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st

year in Middle

> > > > > > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

combinations) & only

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with

about 800 kids

> > > > > > > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an

understatement…even

> > > > > > > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also

learning

> > > > > > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade

math curriculum…

> > > > > > > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals movement

has come

> > > > > > > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us

but definitely

> > > > > > > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we

ended up

> > > > > > > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports

which we found

> > > > > > > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

(especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the

kidneys

> > > > > > > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa &

add extra

> > > > > > > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in

addition to

> > > > > > > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking

cellular support

> > > > > > > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of

a Christmas

> > > > > > > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was

watered with 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it

was

> > > > > > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

put on his

> > > > > > > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > > > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood with

our

> > > > > > > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse than

this one. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I am

happy to

> > > > > > > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas

tree that

> > > > > > > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by

now. Upon one

> > > > > > > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing this

tree she

> > > > > > > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it

perk right

> > > > > > > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals

including

> > > > > > > > > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

years, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the

product, mainly to

> > > > > > > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD,

lyme/co-infections or

> > > > > > > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on

or off list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have

used….it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants) w/an

> > > > > > > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God

gave us an

> > > > > > > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune systems

that need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly working

immune

> > > > > > > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance. This

product

> > > > > > > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune system

to fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke

with a woman

> > > > > > > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks

of doing real

> > > > > > > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could

figure out what

> > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they

figured out that

> > > > > > > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed! The

doctor

> > > > > > > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now she

doing very

> > > > > > > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of stuff

& find

> > > > > > > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this

product, look

> > > > > > > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body no

longer needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when

using it (we

> > > > > > > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support

items)…. & as always

> > > > > > > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it

cycles through

> > > > > > > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also, when

ART testing

> > > > > > > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on board

for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked other

naturals

> > > > > > > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target

items.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP

to review

> > > > > > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other

docs that

> > > > > > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them

w/either the

> > > > > > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

excited

> > > > > > > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

na,

To help you some on this as busy as I am right now I'm going to have to take a

short-cut for me & just refer you back to some prior messages (it's been a while

since this was talked about, but there was good information...from my notes

(though there has been other good messages on this since if you want to advance

search it...don't have time or I'd do it for you....from my " Informative Posts "

Notes document I keep, read through message #21710, 21402, 21400 which if I

remember right had some good links w/the info.

If I get a chance later I'll try & come back w/more (or if someone else has some

notes to pass, please jump in). At minimum I'd concider good water well

filtered. We use to use purified water...now I know to at least add back in good

minerals (like hymalayan sea salt) to at least mineralize the RO water which

will help it not steal minerals from our bodies....

Rita

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company

but as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd

share what we've

> > > > > > > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the

name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product

(see link @

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of

double-blind studies that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be happy

to answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the

product in this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us

to a new level

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking

into it last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps the

bodies immune

> > > > > > > > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites

(including those that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach themselves

to our DNA).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our

bodies to heal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders like

parasites &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is used

to carry

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into

difficult areas of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it

together with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully

used overseas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

use….all with NO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized

as a whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small

group of our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones

using it have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

topical or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it

right down & do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned

about it w/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a

good option).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type

glass w/a small

> > > > > > > > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately w/a

full glass of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I

want to further

> > > > > > > > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN

& a Pediatric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help

increase the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical

arena….the dr. said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully

because of the high

> > > > > > > > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general info

on surfactants:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS

NOT a rx or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some

current

> > > > > > > > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or

Lyme….It's history is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related

diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical

mindset

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

related issues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our

docs including

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on

how well he is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our

docs….last month I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask

to be ART

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy

moms) met with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders early

in the year &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families) using

it. Reports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a

cellular basis with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that

have had amazing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues

including a lab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some

time. He told me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun

the labs after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found

dramatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've

been using it 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall

body stress is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing

really, really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially &

educationally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals

dumping that comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of

BioMedical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side

effects of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first

couple of months

> > > > > > > > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in OCD

& some extra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe

to be some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st

year in Middle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

combinations) & only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with

about 800 kids

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an

understatement…even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also

learning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade

math curriculum…

> > > > > > > > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

movement has come

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us

but definitely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox

we ended up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports

which we found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

(especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the

kidneys

> > > > > > > > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa &

add extra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in

addition to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking

cellular support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011)

of a Christmas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was

watered with 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that

it was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it

was put on his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are soft

&

> > > > > > > > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood

with our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse

than this one. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke. I

am happy to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green Christmas

tree that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead by

now. Upon one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing

this tree she

> > > > > > > > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have it

perk right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on animals

including

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

years, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the

product, mainly to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD,

lyme/co-infections or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either

on or off list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have

used….it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals &

plants) w/an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that God

gave us an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune

systems that need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly

working immune

> > > > > > > > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance.

This product

> > > > > > > > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune

system to fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke

with a woman

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks

of doing real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could

figure out what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they

figured out that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed!

The doctor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now

she doing very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of

stuff & find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this

product, look

> > > > > > > > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body

no longer needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol when

using it (we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support

items)…. & as always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it

cycles through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also,

when ART testing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on

board for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked

other naturals

> > > > > > > > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target

items.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP

to review

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other

docs that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them

w/either the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am

really excited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita

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[Guest guest]

Forgot to answer your 2nd ?....

It is safe & approved for infants...go slow...I'd say 1 or 2 drops 2x day to

start for a new biomeder & don't dose/start w/other new products to separate out

the different products the child starts on...this will help you determine what

product they are reacting to....other than that you should be fine. One of the

children here in WA is fairly new to biomeds (only 3yo & only on diet & a few

supplements like the Brainchild minerals...other than that he's pretty new to

biomeds....he's doing Great on the surfactants).

Rita

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the

company but as a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > consumer….

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd

share what we've

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the

name of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > product out of this e-mail to protect the product

(see link @

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bottom) as it's starting into a new era of

double-blind studies that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is in the process of being organized. I will be

happy to answer

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some, but not all?'s on-list….again to protect the

product in this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > open group format.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted

us to a new level

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking

into it last

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fall. From my research I have found that it helps

the bodies immune

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system identify viruses, bacteria & parasites

(including those that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to hide from the immune system & attach

themselves to our DNA).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It " turns on " the immune system which enables our

bodies to heal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself. It has been found to encapsulate invaders

like parasites &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > worms so the body can get rid of them. It also is

used to carry

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other products (like herbs & supplements) into

difficult areas of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the body (like the brain)…..for example, we use it

together with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > LDM-100 to additionally boost the LDM-100.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully

used overseas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

use….all with NO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is

categorized as a whole

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The

small group of our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > WA BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones

using it have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not seen any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

topical or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it

right down & do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not complain about the soapy taste but I am

concerned about it w/

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of our kids (masking the taste with juice is a

good option).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way you take it: Put drops in a little shot type

glass w/a small

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > amount of water. Swallow, then follow immediately

w/a full glass of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. We personally use a glass of Emergency as I

want to further

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB

RN & a Pediatric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help

increase the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > survival rate of premature babies in the medical

arena….the dr. said

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the biggest drawback is they use them carefully

because of the high

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cost. For your info here is some links to general

info on surfactants:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS

NOT a rx or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > drug, including the above just gives you some

current

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > info on surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or

Lyme….It's history is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related

diseases….didn't stop me!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's targeted to the immune system….with my

BioMedical mindset

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

related issues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with low side effects. We have since seen all of our

docs including

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on

how well he is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing on this product (for those that see our

docs….last month I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > brought them samples for ART testing, so you can ask

to be ART

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tested on it). A small group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy

moms) met with a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > high level group including some of its founders

early in the year &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we now have several recovering ASD ( & families)

using it. Reports

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > across the board are good.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a

cellular basis with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that

have had amazing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues

including a lab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tech in Northern WA that has been using it for some

time. He told me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to have baseline immune system labs run, then rerun

the labs after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 30-60 days of product use where they have found

dramatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > improvements in the immune panel labs. To date we've

been using it 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > months & 's viral, lyme, bacterial & overall

body stress is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > substantially reduced (per ART testing). He is doing

really, really

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well all the way around, physically, socially &

educationally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals

dumping that comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of

BioMedical

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > intervention we are all too familiar with the side

effects of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > successful detox….this was no different. The first

couple of months

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > along with the good gains we saw some increase in

OCD & some extra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we

believe to be some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his

1st year in Middle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

combinations) & only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3 minutes between a multi-level school building with

about 800 kids

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (to say traffic between classes is tough is an

understatement…even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of the regular kids have issues). He's also

learning

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade

math curriculum…

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

movement has come

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for

us but definitely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs to be managed). Because of the continuing

detox we ended up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports

which we found

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

(especially

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the

kidneys

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > topically & orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa

& add extra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > minerals (she used Minerals of Life Multi-minerals

in addition to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our standard minerals in our protocol).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking

cellular support

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20,

2011) of a Christmas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was

watered with 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month

that it was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it

was put on his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > back deck where it has remained. The needles are

soft &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > flexible….I've seen live trees in the neighborhood

with our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unseasonably bad NW weather this year looking worse

than this one. I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have personally watched this tree….this is no joke.

I am happy to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > send you the picture of this beautiful green

Christmas tree that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hasn't figured out it's suppose to be brown & dead

by now. Upon one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the moms in our group returning home from seeing

this tree she

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil plant to have

it perk right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > up ) This is also being used successfully on

animals including

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dogs & horses.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over

the years, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > value your feedback! If you do decide to use the

product, mainly to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help me learn further for supporting the ASD,

lyme/co-infections or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > XMRV. Any ?'s, please feel free to contact me either

on or off list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This product is not like any other product we have

used….it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > beneficial to anyone or anything (including animals

& plants) w/an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > immune system. It is based on the philosophy that

God gave us an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > immune system to tackle things….it's our immune

systems that need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be reset to proper functioning. With a properly

working immune

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > system we should not need any man-made assistance.

This product

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > works directly on resetting our God given immune

system to fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke

with a woman

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that was on 15 different meds. After a couple of

weeks of doing real

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well on it she got ill. After no one in the ER could

figure out what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong because all the labs were " normal " they

figured out that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was all the meds that her body no longer needed!

The doctor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed all but a few of the drugs she was on & now

she doing very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well. This is important! If you are on a bunch of

stuff & find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself not feeling well after a short time on this

product, look

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at everything you are on & check to see if your body

no longer needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. We stayed on our existing ART tested protocol

when using it (we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are on all naturals/basically whole food support

items)…. & as always

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > monitor the body for the detox related changes as it

cycles through

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the layers the immune system is cleaning out. Also,

when ART testing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, you may need to make sure good binders are on

board for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > protocol to test its highest. We have piggybacked

other naturals

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > onto it for a short time to help boost them & target

items.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to

MP to review

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any

other docs that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them

w/either the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am

really excited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about this product!!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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