A place for ACT pre-PTSD and pre-POW?

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

My brother is a Marine and in the medium near future will be off to the infamous

SERE school - survival, evasion, resistance, and escape training. You can get a

feel for it at the website below, but I want to emphasize that this training is

serious business. My sister-in-law will get an official letter in the mail

instructing her not to sleep in the same bed as my brother for at least two

weeks afterwards. These trainees are pushed very very close to the physical and

psychological edge.

http://www.theusmarines.com/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere-training\

/

I am the one of us that is more " into " ACT, but we've talked off and on about

ACT over the last few years and its application in various situations we've

encountered together and independently. When he was recently telling me about

this upcoming training, I started thinking about how ACT helps to push on the

boundaries of sitting with discomfort and pain, defusing from the infinite

chatter to help illuminate an effective action… But what happens when your

repertoire is seriously, 99.9% FOR REAL limited by your environment? He was

joking with me, " So you're suggesting I get out of my mind and into my dog

kennel? " Uh, yeah, I am, but I'm not fluent enough in this stuff, either ACT or

military, to suggest to what end. What DO you DO with that 0.1% of behavioral

freedom?

It seems that you do want your " evolutionary mind " turned to full steam ahead so

that you can work on predicting what may happen next and realize an escape

opportunity, or plan how to release enough information to stay alive and not too

much or too little to become useless to your captors. But you also don't want

to let your evolutionary mind put you in the space of paralysis by analysis or

complete freak out. There are stories about this training of complete avoidance

and dissociation so that grown men seriously answer questions in little girl

voices.

Since this training is to practice being in a stressful evasion, POW, escape,

etc. situation, it could be really useful to have a few extra ACT tools in your

bag to practice using in your practice stressful situations. I honestly don't

know if the lines are any finer here, or even any different, than for someone

who deals with debilitating anxiety or a personality disorder, but we'd be

really interested in how you think ACT could be effectively used in these

situations.

We'd love to hear lots of thoughts on this, but especially if you know about

PTSD and have an idea about what tools would be useful to give someone *before*

they encounter the stressful situation, or if you have a military perspective,

please don't be shy.

Thank you!!

[Guest guest]

I was a Marine many (many) years back, but I never had the pleasure of participating in this training. I can say, however, that mindfulness is a tool I applied without having a name for it. Especially in boot camp, the need to endure the present moment through acceptance was pretty much all that applied at times....

I would imagine your brother will experience times when he needs to simply be what he is, and times when it will be appropriate to be allowing the imagination and other mental tools free reign, to allow the mind to do what it does best. Perhaps the key is in workability? In which better furthers the goals at the time? Wallowing in despair, for instance, is likely counterproductive. Simarly, a constant mindfulness meditation on sensation might mitigate maladaptive emotional responses but would not address the need to escape (the Corps approves of escape...).

Tell your brother we are proud of him!D>  >

> Hello All,>> My brother is a Marine and in the medium near future will be off to the infamous SERE school - survival, evasion, resistance, and escape training. You can get a feel for it at the website below, but I want to emphasize that this training is serious business. My sister-in-law will get an official letter in the mail instructing her not to sleep in the same bed as my brother for at least two weeks afterwards. These trainees are pushed very very close to the physical and psychological edge.

>> http://www.theusmarines.com/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere-training/>> I am the one of us that is more " into " ACT, but we've talked off and on about ACT over the last few years and its application in various situations we've encountered together and independently. When he was recently telling me about this upcoming training, I started thinking about how ACT helps to push on the boundaries of sitting with discomfort and pain, defusing from the infinite chatter to help illuminate an effective action… But what happens when your repertoire is seriously, 99.9% FOR REAL limited by your environment? He was joking with me, " So you're suggesting I get out of my mind and into my dog kennel? " Uh, yeah, I am, but I'm not fluent enough in this stuff, either ACT or military, to suggest to what end. What DO you DO with that 0.1% of behavioral freedom?

>> It seems that you do want your " evolutionary mind " turned to full steam ahead so that you can work on predicting what may happen next and realize an escape opportunity, or plan how to release enough information to stay alive and not too much or too little to become useless to your captors. But you also don't want to let your evolutionary mind put you in the space of paralysis by analysis or complete freak out. There are stories about this training of complete avoidance and dissociation so that grown men seriously answer questions in little girl voices.

>> Since this training is to practice being in a stressful evasion, POW, escape, etc. situation, it could be really useful to have a few extra ACT tools in your bag to practice using in your practice stressful situations. I honestly don't know if the lines are any finer here, or even any different, than for someone who deals with debilitating anxiety or a personality disorder, but we'd be really interested in how you think ACT could be effectively used in these situations.

>> We'd love to hear lots of thoughts on this, but especially if you know about PTSD and have an idea about what tools would be useful to give someone *before* they encounter the stressful situation, or if you have a military perspective, please don't be shy.

>> Thank you!!>> > Reply to sender <stephanie_shelley_watts@...?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A%20place%20for%20ACT%20pre-PTSD%20and%20pre-POW%3F> | Reply to group <ACT_for_the_Public ?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A%20place%20for%20ACT%20pre-PTSD%20and%20pre-POW%3F> | Reply via web post <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJycnA4Nm51BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEyMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY-?act=reply & messageNum=16123> | Start a New Topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcjVodnVyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY->

> Messages in this topic <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/16123;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZmE4Z3JsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEyMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDYEdHBjSWQDMTYxMjM-> (1)

> Recent Activity:>> Visit Your Group <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2M3YWRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY->

> For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.org>> If you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may> unsubscribe by sending an email to

> ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe > MARKETPLACE>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. <http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15r03q8mu/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=grphealth/S=1705061248:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316275306/L=946fed1a-e135-11e0-a880-2308dfba3a57/B=7LlBTNBDRqg-/J=1316268106104473/K=YiTvF7zBICXQQXikM8AAWA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj>

>> ________________________________-- Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-TRochester, NY, UShttp://darrellking.comDarrellGKing@...

[Guest guest]

We are doing a trial right now of ACT for sailors about to go on to a submarine for their firsttour. Very difficult living environment. Under the sea for long periods. No space of your own. ToughSo far the data are showing that ACT helps the sailors succeed by accepting the distress and

focusing on their values. They are advancing more quickly in their training and seemingly with fewer set backs.Most of them really care about being a good sailor and a good comrade for others  -- and there they have lots

of behavioral control. You if are given an order the issue is stillpresent: how do you follow that order? Are you giving it your full attention? etcI think there is no reason not to put mindfulness into basic training if it helps

make better soldiers and helps them carry the enormous burden we ask them to carry.If we don't use the best tools, we can expect unnecessary tragedies as the soldiers return and reintegrate into civilian life

There is also a small trial of ACT to help in reintegrating vets:Blevins, D. Roca, J. V. & Spencer, T. (2011). Life Guard: Evaluation of an ACT-based workshop to facilitate reintegration of OIF/OEF veterans. Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, 42, 32–39. DOI: 10.1037/a0022321. Medium sized (N = 144) quasi-experimental study of a two hour ACT workshop on reintegration success of Veteran’s returning from Irag/Afganistan. Intervention participants reported significant declines in symptoms of depression, anxiety, and PTSD, and increases in relationship satisfaction. Significant between group comparisons for depression and relationship satisfaction.

I've attached the actual study if you want to see it and send it to your broWe need a book to help do this work but it is not here yet. GOOYM & IYLand The Happiness Trap both seem off for this purpose ... tho if you share this study with him

and he wants to explore ACT methods either could work if he could sort of translate the processes to his situation- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298

University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

Huffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page or my blog at the ACBS site: 

http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.comIf you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

orhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

Hello All,

My brother is a Marine and in the medium near future will be off to the infamous SERE school - survival, evasion, resistance, and escape training. You can get a feel for it at the website below, but I want to emphasize that this training is serious business. My sister-in-law will get an official letter in the mail instructing her not to sleep in the same bed as my brother for at least two weeks afterwards. These trainees are pushed very very close to the physical and psychological edge.

http://www.theusmarines.com/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere-training/

I am the one of us that is more " into " ACT, but we've talked off and on about ACT over the last few years and its application in various situations we've encountered together and independently. When he was recently telling me about this upcoming training, I started thinking about how ACT helps to push on the boundaries of sitting with discomfort and pain, defusing from the infinite chatter to help illuminate an effective action… But what happens when your repertoire is seriously, 99.9% FOR REAL limited by your environment? He was joking with me, " So you're suggesting I get out of my mind and into my dog kennel? " Uh, yeah, I am, but I'm not fluent enough in this stuff, either ACT or military, to suggest to what end. What DO you DO with that 0.1% of behavioral freedom?

It seems that you do want your " evolutionary mind " turned to full steam ahead so that you can work on predicting what may happen next and realize an escape opportunity, or plan how to release enough information to stay alive and not too much or too little to become useless to your captors. But you also don't want to let your evolutionary mind put you in the space of paralysis by analysis or complete freak out. There are stories about this training of complete avoidance and dissociation so that grown men seriously answer questions in little girl voices.

Since this training is to practice being in a stressful evasion, POW, escape, etc. situation, it could be really useful to have a few extra ACT tools in your bag to practice using in your practice stressful situations. I honestly don't know if the lines are any finer here, or even any different, than for someone who deals with debilitating anxiety or a personality disorder, but we'd be really interested in how you think ACT could be effectively used in these situations.

We'd love to hear lots of thoughts on this, but especially if you know about PTSD and have an idea about what tools would be useful to give someone *before* they encounter the stressful situation, or if you have a military perspective, please don't be shy.

Thank you!!

1 of 1 File(s)

Life Guard.pdf

[Guest guest]

Not exactly what you're looking for perhaps, but a good read anyway...For people already suffering from PTSD - and in particular those with depersonalization and dissociation disorder, I can highly recommend: Overcoming Depersonalization Disorder: A Mindfulness & Acceptance Guide to Conquering Feelings of Numbness & Unreality by Fugen Neziroglu, Katharine Donnelly and Daphne Simeon It's a self help book for people who have trouble connecting with their life and who have a sense of numbness and dissociation (dizziness) / not feeling connected to other people. I have read it from cover to cover and it is very valuable. It gives good advice on how to become more engaged in life while inviting in and accepting the symptoms of past trauma. How to connect to other people and saying yes to mentally challenging situations while having ptsd symptoms of dissociation.Henrik I was a Marine many (many) years back, but I never had the pleasure ofparticipating in this training. I can say, however, that mindfulness isa tool I applied without having a name for it. Especially in boot camp,the need to endure the present moment through acceptance was pretty muchall that applied at times....I would imagine your brother will experience times when he needs tosimply be what he is, and times when it will be appropriate to beallowing the imagination and other mental tools free reign, to allow themind to do what it does best. Perhaps the key is in workability? Inwhich better furthers the goals at the time? Wallowing in despair, forinstance, is likely counterproductive. Simarly, a constant mindfulnessmeditation on sensation might mitigate maladaptive emotional responsesbut would not address the need to escape (the Corps approves ofescape...).Tell your brother we are proud of him!DOn Saturday, September 17, 2011, act_pal> wrote:>>> Hello All,>> My brother is a Marine and in the medium near future will be off to> the infamous SERE school - survival, evasion, resistance, and escape> training. You can get a feel for it at the website below, but I want> to emphasize that this training is serious business. My sister-in-law> will get an official letter in the mail instructing her not to sleep> in the same bed as my brother for at least two weeks afterwards. These> trainees are pushed very very close to the physical and psychological> edge.>> <http://www.theusmarines.com/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-se> re-training/>>> I am the one of us that is more "into" ACT, but we've talked off and> on about ACT over the last few years and its application in various> situations we've encountered together and independently. When he was> recently telling me about this upcoming training, I started thinking> about how ACT helps to push on the boundaries of sitting with> discomfort and pain, defusing from the infinite chatter to help> illuminate an effective action… But what happens when your repertoire> is seriously, 99.9% FOR REAL limited by your environment? He was> joking with me, "So you're suggesting I get out of my mind and into my> dog kennel?" Uh, yeah, I am, but I'm not fluent enough in this stuff,> either ACT or military, to suggest to what end. What DO you DO with> that 0.1% of behavioral freedom?>> It seems that you do want your "evolutionary mind" turned to full> steam ahead so that you can work on predicting what may happen next> and realize an escape opportunity, or plan how to release enough> information to stay alive and not too much or too little to become> useless to your captors. But you also don't want to let your> evolutionary mind put you in the space of paralysis by analysis or> complete freak out. There are stories about this training of complete> avoidance and dissociation so that grown men seriously answer> questions in little girl voices.>> Since this training is to practice being in a stressful evasion, POW,> escape, etc. situation, it could be really useful to have a few extra> ACT tools in your bag to practice using in your practice stressful> situations. I honestly don't know if the lines are any finer here, or> even any different, than for someone who deals with debilitating> anxiety or a personality disorder, but we'd be really interested in> how you think ACT could be effectively used in these situations.>> We'd love to hear lots of thoughts on this, but especially if you know> about PTSD and have an idea about what tools would be useful to give> someone *before* they encounter the stressful situation, or if you> have a military perspective, please don't be shy.>> Thank you!!>>> Reply to> sender <<http://stephanie_shelley_watts@...?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A> %20place%20for%20ACT%20pre-PTSD%20and%20pre-POW%3F>> | Reply to> group <<http://ACT_for_the_Public ?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A> %20place%20for%20ACT%20pre-PTSD%20and%20pre-POW%3F>> | Reply via web> post <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3oD> MTJycnA4Nm51BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MT> I0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEyMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY-?act> =reply & messageNum=16123>> | Start a New> Topic <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3o> DMTJmcjVodnVyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2M> TI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY->>> Messages in this> topic <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/16123> ;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZmE4Z3JsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQD> MTcwNTA2MTI0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEyMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNj> gxMDYEdHBjSWQDMTYxMjM->> (1)> Recent Activity:>> Visit Your> Group <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public;_ylc=X3oDMTJm> b2M3YWRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OA> RzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY->>> For other ACT materials and list serves see> http://www.contextualpsychology.org>> If you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may> unsubscribe by sending an email to> <ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe >> MARKETPLACE>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on> - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar> now. <<http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15r03q8mu/M=493064.14543979.145> 62481.13298430/D=grphealth/S=1705061248:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316275306/L=> 946fed1a-e135-11e0-a880-2308dfba3a57/B=7LlBTNBDRqg-/J=1316268106104473> /K=YiTvF7zBICXQQXikM8AAWA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolb> ar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj>>>> ________________________________-- Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-TRochester, NY, UShttp://darrellking.com

[Guest guest]

Not exactly what you're looking for perhaps, but a good read anyway...For people already suffering from PTSD - and in particular those with depersonalization and dissociation disorder, I can highly recommend: Overcoming Depersonalization Disorder: A Mindfulness & Acceptance Guide to Conquering Feelings of Numbness & Unreality by Fugen Neziroglu, Katharine Donnelly and Daphne Simeon It's a self help book for people who have trouble connecting with their life and who have a sense of numbness and dissociation (dizziness) / not feeling connected to other people. I have read it from cover to cover and it is very valuable. It gives good advice on how to become more engaged in life while inviting in and accepting the symptoms of past trauma. How to connect to other people and saying yes to mentally challenging situations while having ptsd symptoms of dissociation.Henrik I was a Marine many (many) years back, but I never had the pleasure ofparticipating in this training. I can say, however, that mindfulness isa tool I applied without having a name for it. Especially in boot camp,the need to endure the present moment through acceptance was pretty muchall that applied at times....I would imagine your brother will experience times when he needs tosimply be what he is, and times when it will be appropriate to beallowing the imagination and other mental tools free reign, to allow themind to do what it does best. Perhaps the key is in workability? Inwhich better furthers the goals at the time? Wallowing in despair, forinstance, is likely counterproductive. Simarly, a constant mindfulnessmeditation on sensation might mitigate maladaptive emotional responsesbut would not address the need to escape (the Corps approves ofescape...).Tell your brother we are proud of him!DOn Saturday, September 17, 2011, act_pal> wrote:>>> Hello All,>> My brother is a Marine and in the medium near future will be off to> the infamous SERE school - survival, evasion, resistance, and escape> training. You can get a feel for it at the website below, but I want> to emphasize that this training is serious business. My sister-in-law> will get an official letter in the mail instructing her not to sleep> in the same bed as my brother for at least two weeks afterwards. These> trainees are pushed very very close to the physical and psychological> edge.>> <http://www.theusmarines.com/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-se> re-training/>>> I am the one of us that is more "into" ACT, but we've talked off and> on about ACT over the last few years and its application in various> situations we've encountered together and independently. When he was> recently telling me about this upcoming training, I started thinking> about how ACT helps to push on the boundaries of sitting with> discomfort and pain, defusing from the infinite chatter to help> illuminate an effective action… But what happens when your repertoire> is seriously, 99.9% FOR REAL limited by your environment? He was> joking with me, "So you're suggesting I get out of my mind and into my> dog kennel?" Uh, yeah, I am, but I'm not fluent enough in this stuff,> either ACT or military, to suggest to what end. What DO you DO with> that 0.1% of behavioral freedom?>> It seems that you do want your "evolutionary mind" turned to full> steam ahead so that you can work on predicting what may happen next> and realize an escape opportunity, or plan how to release enough> information to stay alive and not too much or too little to become> useless to your captors. But you also don't want to let your> evolutionary mind put you in the space of paralysis by analysis or> complete freak out. There are stories about this training of complete> avoidance and dissociation so that grown men seriously answer> questions in little girl voices.>> Since this training is to practice being in a stressful evasion, POW,> escape, etc. situation, it could be really useful to have a few extra> ACT tools in your bag to practice using in your practice stressful> situations. I honestly don't know if the lines are any finer here, or> even any different, than for someone who deals with debilitating> anxiety or a personality disorder, but we'd be really interested in> how you think ACT could be effectively used in these situations.>> We'd love to hear lots of thoughts on this, but especially if you know> about PTSD and have an idea about what tools would be useful to give> someone *before* they encounter the stressful situation, or if you> have a military perspective, please don't be shy.>> Thank you!!>>> Reply to> sender <<http://stephanie_shelley_watts@...?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A> %20place%20for%20ACT%20pre-PTSD%20and%20pre-POW%3F>> | Reply to> group <<http://ACT_for_the_Public ?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A> %20place%20for%20ACT%20pre-PTSD%20and%20pre-POW%3F>> | Reply via web> post <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3oD> MTJycnA4Nm51BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MT> I0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEyMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY-?act> =reply & messageNum=16123>> | Start a New> Topic <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3o> DMTJmcjVodnVyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2M> TI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY->>> Messages in this> topic <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/16123> ;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZmE4Z3JsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQD> MTcwNTA2MTI0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEyMwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNj> gxMDYEdHBjSWQDMTYxMjM->> (1)> Recent Activity:>> Visit Your> Group <<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public;_ylc=X3oDMTJm> b2M3YWRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OA> RzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY->>> For other ACT materials and list serves see> http://www.contextualpsychology.org>> If you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may> unsubscribe by sending an email to> <ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe >> MARKETPLACE>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on> - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar> now. <<http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15r03q8mu/M=493064.14543979.145> 62481.13298430/D=grphealth/S=1705061248:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316275306/L=> 946fed1a-e135-11e0-a880-2308dfba3a57/B=7LlBTNBDRqg-/J=1316268106104473> /K=YiTvF7zBICXQQXikM8AAWA/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolb> ar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj>>>> ________________________________-- Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-TRochester, NY, UShttp://darrellking.com

[Guest guest]

Maybe not what you're looking for...

For people already suffering from PTSD - and in particular those with

depersonalization and dissociation disorder, I can highly recommend: Overcoming

Depersonalization Disorder: A Mindfulness & Acceptance Guide to Conquering

Feelings of Numbness & Unreality by Fugen Neziroglu, Katharine Donnelly and

Daphne Simeon

It's a self help book for people who have trouble connecting with their life and

who have a sense of numbness and dissociation (dizziness) / not feeling

connected to other people.

I have read it from cover to cover and it is very valuable. It gives good advice

on how to become more engaged in life while inviting in and accepting the

symptoms of past trauma. How to connect to other people and saying yes to

mentally challenging situations while having ptsd symptoms of dissociation.

Henrik

> >

> >

> > Hello All,

> >

> > My brother is a Marine and in the medium near future will be off to the

> infamous SERE school - survival, evasion, resistance, and escape training.

> You can get a feel for it at the website below, but I want to emphasize that

> this training is serious business. My sister-in-law will get an official

> letter in the mail instructing her not to sleep in the same bed as my

> brother for at least two weeks afterwards. These trainees are pushed very

> very close to the physical and psychological edge.

> >

> >

>

http://www.theusmarines.com/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere-training\

/

> >

> > I am the one of us that is more " into " ACT, but we've talked off and on

> about ACT over the last few years and its application in various situations

> we've encountered together and independently. When he was recently telling

> me about this upcoming training, I started thinking about how ACT helps to

> push on the boundaries of sitting with discomfort and pain, defusing from

> the infinite chatter to help illuminate an effective action… But what

> happens when your repertoire is seriously, 99.9% FOR REAL limited by your

> environment? He was joking with me, " So you're suggesting I get out of my

> mind and into my dog kennel? " Uh, yeah, I am, but I'm not fluent enough in

> this stuff, either ACT or military, to suggest to what end. What DO you DO

> with that 0.1% of behavioral freedom?

> >

> > It seems that you do want your " evolutionary mind " turned to full steam

> ahead so that you can work on predicting what may happen next and realize an

> escape opportunity, or plan how to release enough information to stay alive

> and not too much or too little to become useless to your captors. But you

> also don't want to let your evolutionary mind put you in the space of

> paralysis by analysis or complete freak out. There are stories about this

> training of complete avoidance and dissociation so that grown men seriously

> answer questions in little girl voices.

> >

> > Since this training is to practice being in a stressful evasion, POW,

> escape, etc. situation, it could be really useful to have a few extra ACT

> tools in your bag to practice using in your practice stressful situations. I

> honestly don't know if the lines are any finer here, or even any different,

> than for someone who deals with debilitating anxiety or a personality

> disorder, but we'd be really interested in how you think ACT could be

> effectively used in these situations.

> >

> > We'd love to hear lots of thoughts on this, but especially if you know

> about PTSD and have an idea about what tools would be useful to give someone

> *before* they encounter the stressful situation, or if you have a military

> perspective, please don't be shy.

> >

> > Thank you!!

> >

> >

> > Reply to sender <

>

stephanie_shelley_watts@...?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A%20place%20for%20ACT%20pre-PTSD%\

20and%20pre-POW%3F>

> | Reply to group <

>

ACT_for_the_Public ?subject\x3dRe%3A%20A%20place%20for%20ACT%20pr\

e-PTSD%20and%20pre-POW%3F>

> | Reply via web post <

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJycnA4Nm51BF9TA\

zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEyMwRzZWMDZ\

nRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY-?act=reply & messageNum=16123>

> | Start a New Topic <

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcjVodnVyBF9TA\

zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjB\

HN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY-

> >

> > Messages in this topic <

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/message/16123;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZmE4\

Z3JsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARtc2dJZAMxNjEy\

MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDYEdHBjSWQDMTYxMjM->

> (1)

> > Recent Activity:

> >

> > Visit Your Group <

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2M3YWRpBF9TAzk3Mz\

U5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjE5Mjg3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTI0OARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW\

1lAzEzMTYyNjgxMDY-

> >

> > For other ACT materials and list serves see www.contextualpsychology.org

> >

> > If you do not wish to belong to ACT_for_the_Public, you may

> > unsubscribe by sending an email to

> > ACT_for_the_Public-unsubscribe

> > MARKETPLACE

> >

> > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on -

> Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. <

>

http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15r03q8mu/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=\

grphealth/S=1705061248:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1316275306/L=946fed1a-e135-11e0-a880-230\

8dfba3a57/B=7LlBTNBDRqg-/J=1316268106104473/K=YiTvF7zBICXQQXikM8AAWA/A=6060255/R\

=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

>

> --

> Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-T

> Rochester, NY, US

> http://darrellking.com

> DarrellGKing@...

>