Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

[Guest guest]

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted ThoughtsSuper EgoSubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing.  The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.  

 

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself! 

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom,

28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

 

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows.  The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall.  On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

 

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

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[Guest guest]

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson

escribió:De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted ThoughtsSuper EgoSubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing. The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom,

28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows. The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall. On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson

escribió:De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted ThoughtsSuper EgoSubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing. The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom,

28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows. The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall. On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing? I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a "mark". I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize "1 to 10 marking" I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed... I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson

escribió:De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >CC: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson

escribió:De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted ThoughtsSuper EgoSubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing. The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom,

28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows. The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall. On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

I don't want to argue about it.

 

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing?  I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a " mark " . I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize " 1 to 10 marking " I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed...  I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson

escribió:De: P Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

CC: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

 

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

 

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. 

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson

escribió:De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

 

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted ThoughtsSuper EgoSubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing.  The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.  

 

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself! 

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom,

28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

 

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows.  The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall.  On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

 

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

Em, you make a very good point, I think. In ACT, we try to stay away from judging and evaluating the content of our thoughts. Counting from 1 to 10 would be much the same as wave surfing but rating from 1 to 10 would not be. I think it's important to make this distinction and thanks for bringing it up.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:57:59 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

I don't want to argue about it.

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing? I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a "mark". I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize "1 to 10 marking" I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed... I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson escribió:

De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >CC: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10.

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently.

Unwanted Thoughts Super Ego Subconscious

Ride the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing. The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom, 28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows. The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall. On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

It was certainly not meant to be an argument. Tread gently.______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 22:57

I don't want to argue about it.

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing? I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a "mark". I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize "1 to 10 marking" I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed... I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson

escribió:De: P Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

CC: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10.

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson

escribió:De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted ThoughtsSuper EgoSubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing. The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom,

28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows. The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall. On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse.

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

I am not sure if 10 seconds would be enough for me ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, hbbr Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 23:15

Em, you make a very good point, I think. In ACT, we try to stay away from judging and evaluating the content of our thoughts. Counting from 1 to 10 would be much the same as wave surfing but rating from 1 to 10 would not be. I think it's important to make this distinction and thanks for bringing it up.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:57:59 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

I don't want to argue about it.

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing? I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a "mark". I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize "1 to 10 marking" I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed... I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson escribió:

De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >CC: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10.

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently.

Unwanted Thoughts Super Ego Subconscious

Ride the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing. The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom, 28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows. The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall. On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

I don't know what this means.

 

It was certainly not meant to be an argument. Tread gently.

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

Para: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 22:57

 

I don't want to argue about it.

 

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing?  I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a " mark " . I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize " 1 to 10 marking " I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed...  I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson

escribió:De: P Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

CC: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

 

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

 

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. 

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson

escribió:De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

 

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted ThoughtsSuper EgoSubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing.  The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.  

 

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself! 

______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom,

28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

 

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows.  The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall.  On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

 

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

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Sometimes I have to count very, very slowly ... and keep going!

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:38:11 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

I am not sure if 10 seconds would be enough for me

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De: hbbr Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 23:15

Em, you make a very good point, I think. In ACT, we try to stay away from judging and evaluating the content of our thoughts. Counting from 1 to 10 would be much the same as wave surfing but rating from 1 to 10 would not be. I think it's important to make this distinction and thanks for bringing it up.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:57:59 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

I don't want to argue about it.

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing? I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a "mark". I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize "1 to 10 marking" I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed... I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

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De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >CC: "ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10.

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De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently.

Unwanted Thoughts Super Ego Subconscious

Ride the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing. The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!

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De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows. The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall. On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

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This thread has made me very anxious and depressed.  It feels like I am playing some sort of language game when all I wanted to do was share some things I thought were similar based on what I have seen and experienced.

Then I am told to tread lightly, I have no idea what that means but it doesn't feel good.  I am a grown man and I don't want to be told how to tread.

It is like a war of who can out ACT who and I don't want to play.   I regret ever responding to the OP (I was the only one who did and honestly, I felt bad that nobody had responded).  It really makes me wonder if I am capable of participating without having problems.

I do admit I have had an awful day and now I feel dumb even thinking about this.

 

Sometimes I have to count very, very slowly ... and keep going!

 

Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:38:11 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

 

I am not sure if 10 seconds would be enough for me  

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This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

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De: hbbr Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

Para: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 23:15

 

Em, you make a very good point, I think.  In ACT, we try to stay away from judging and evaluating the content of our thoughts.  Counting from 1 to 10 would be much the same as wave surfing but rating from 1 to 10 would not be.  I think it's important to make this distinction and thanks for bringing it up.

 

Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:57:59 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety 

I don't want to argue about it.

 

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing?  I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a " mark " . I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize " 1 to 10 marking " I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed...  I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson escribió:

De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

CC: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

 

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

 

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. 

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Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

Para: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

 

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. 

Unwanted Thoughts Super Ego Subconscious

Ride the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing.  The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.  

 

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself! 

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom, 28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

 

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows.  The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall.  On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

 

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/