Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in thecontext of bulimia and anxiety

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I am sorry now that I didn't respond - I also get confused by emails a lot so thought twice and didn't send it. I also have been practicing urge surfing using the Happiness Trap method - which says to assess anxiety on a scale of 1 to 10. So it seems legit. Sender: ACT_for_the_Public Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:51:48 -0700To: <ACT_for_the_Public >ReplyTo: ACT_for_the_Public Subject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in thecontext of bulimia and anxietyThis thread has made me very anxious and depressed.  It feels like I am playing some sort of language game when all I wanted to do was share some things I thought were similar based on what I have seen and experienced.Then I am told to tread lightly, I have no idea what that means but it doesn't feel good.  I am a grown man and I don't want to be told how to tread.It is like a war of who can out ACT who and I don't want to play.   I regret ever responding to the OP (I was the only one who did and honestly, I felt bad that nobody had responded).  It really makes me wonder if I am capable of participating without having problems.I do admit I have had an awful day and now I feel dumb even thinking about this. Sometimes I have to count very, very slowly ... and keep going! HelenaTo: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:38:11 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety  I am not sure if 10 seconds would be enough for me  ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, hbbr Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 23:15  Em, you make a very good point, I think.  In ACT, we try to stay away from judging and evaluating the content of our thoughts.  Counting from 1 to 10 would be much the same as wave surfing but rating from 1 to 10 would not be.  I think it's important to make this distinction and thanks for bringing it up. HelenaTo: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:57:59 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety  I don't want to argue about it.  So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing?  I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a " mark " . I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize " 1 to 10 marking " I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed...  I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience. ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson escribió:De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >CC: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15   Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone  One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43  I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. Unwanted Thoughts Super Ego SubconsciousRide the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing.  The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.    I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself!  ______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom, 28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38   This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows.  The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall.  On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.  I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related______________________Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/

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I stated I did not want to argue but I was so turned off by the nitpicking that I had a fairly strong anxiety attack.To quote The Happiness Trap:

" You may find it helpful to score the urge on a scale of  1 to 10.  For example, 'I'm having the urge to smoke and it's a 7.' " In drug addiction they say that you get the urge, it rises in scale and then it drops off.  I went through it when I quit smoking.   On the TV shows I mentioned they do the same thing, the patient has his anxiety raise (hopefully to 10) and they realize that nothing bad happens and their anxiety goes down.

I am really struggling with self esteem, depression and severe anxiety. I had an awful day where I wanted to help another Veteran but he was a dick to me.  In this thread I just wanted to participate and add to the conversation. 

It seems that everything I try to participate in fails for me and I am failing as an adult.  

 

I am sorry now that I didn't respond - I also get confused by emails a lot so thought twice and didn't send it. I also have been practicing urge surfing using the Happiness Trap method - which says to assess anxiety on a scale of 1 to 10. So it seems legit.

Sender: ACT_for_the_Public

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:51:48 -0700To: <ACT_for_the_Public >ReplyTo: ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the

context of bulimia and anxiety

This thread has made me very anxious and depressed.  It feels like I am playing some sort of language game when all I wanted to do was share some things I thought were similar based on what I have seen and experienced.

Then I am told to tread lightly, I have no idea what that means but it doesn't feel good.  I am a grown man and I don't want to be told how to tread.

It is like a war of who can out ACT who and I don't want to play.   I regret ever responding to the OP (I was the only one who did and honestly, I felt bad that nobody had responded).  It really makes me wonder if I am capable of participating without having problems.

I do admit I have had an awful day and now I feel dumb even thinking about this.

 

Sometimes I have to count very, very slowly ... and keep going!

 

Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:38:11 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

 

I am not sure if 10 seconds would be enough for me  

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This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

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De: hbbr Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

Para: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 23:15

 

Em, you make a very good point, I think.  In ACT, we try to stay away from judging and evaluating the content of our thoughts.  Counting from 1 to 10 would be much the same as wave surfing but rating from 1 to 10 would not be.  I think it's important to make this distinction and thanks for bringing it up.

 

Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:57:59 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety 

I don't want to argue about it.

 

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing?  I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a " mark " . I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize " 1 to 10 marking " I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed...  I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

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http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson escribió:

De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

CC: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

 

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

 

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. 

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Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

Para: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

 

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. 

Unwanted Thoughts Super Ego Subconscious

Ride the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing.  The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.  

 

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself! 

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom, 28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

 

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows.  The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall.  On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

 

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

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Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

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I've been there Phil.In one way or another, I'm betting most of us have.That feeling of being out of sync with others, with life, with yourself.And even reaching out or making comments is taken wrong.

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I stated I did not want to argue but I was so turned off by the nitpicking that I had a fairly strong anxiety attack.To quote The Happiness Trap:

" You may find it helpful to score the urge on a scale of  1 to 10.  For example, 'I'm having the urge to smoke and it's a 7.' " In drug addiction they say that you get the urge, it rises in scale and then it drops off.  I went through it when I quit smoking.   On the TV shows I mentioned they do the same thing, the patient has his anxiety raise (hopefully to 10) and they realize that nothing bad happens and their anxiety goes down.

I am really struggling with self esteem, depression and severe anxiety. I had an awful day where I wanted to help another Veteran but he was a dick to me.  In this thread I just wanted to participate and add to the conversation. 

It seems that everything I try to participate in fails for me and I am failing as an adult.  

 

I am sorry now that I didn't respond - I also get confused by emails a lot so thought twice and didn't send it. I also have been practicing urge surfing using the Happiness Trap method - which says to assess anxiety on a scale of 1 to 10. So it seems legit.

Sender: ACT_for_the_Public

Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:51:48 -0700To: <ACT_for_the_Public >ReplyTo: ACT_for_the_Public

Subject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the

context of bulimia and anxiety

This thread has made me very anxious and depressed.  It feels like I am playing some sort of language game when all I wanted to do was share some things I thought were similar based on what I have seen and experienced.

Then I am told to tread lightly, I have no idea what that means but it doesn't feel good.  I am a grown man and I don't want to be told how to tread.

It is like a war of who can out ACT who and I don't want to play.   I regret ever responding to the OP (I was the only one who did and honestly, I felt bad that nobody had responded).  It really makes me wonder if I am capable of participating without having problems.

I do admit I have had an awful day and now I feel dumb even thinking about this.

 

Sometimes I have to count very, very slowly ... and keep going!

 

Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:38:11 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

 

I am not sure if 10 seconds would be enough for me  

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, hbbr escribió:

De: hbbr Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

Para: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 23:15

 

Em, you make a very good point, I think.  In ACT, we try to stay away from judging and evaluating the content of our thoughts.  Counting from 1 to 10 would be much the same as wave surfing but rating from 1 to 10 would not be.  I think it's important to make this distinction and thanks for bringing it up.

 

Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:57:59 PMSubject: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety 

I don't want to argue about it.

 

So what you mean is that evaluating your anxiety or panic from 1 to 10 is the same as wave surfing?  I don't know about that... wave surfing is based on mindfulness, and mindfulness doesn't have a judgmental evaluative nature. Also the mind really has to get involved because its comparing to other episodes in order to give a " mark " . I personally can imagine wave surfing as sitting on a beach calmly watching the storm in the water come and go, and when I visualize " 1 to 10 marking " I can see a stressed person with measuring machines and notebooks getting all tangled up and stressed...  I think the point in common would be the fact that in both cases you accept and stay with the experience.

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

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--- El lun, 29/8/11, P Dawson escribió:

De: P Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

CC: " ACT_for_the_Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 19:15

 

Thanks for the correction. I wrote that wrong. Sent from my iPhone

 

One thing is to count from 1 to 10, another is to be asked to evaluate your anxiety from 1 to 10. 

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El lun, 29/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxiety

Para: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: lunes, 29 de agosto, 2011 14:43

 

I am finding out that many of the techniques are the same things just called something differently. 

Unwanted Thoughts Super Ego Subconscious

Ride the wave and counting 1 to 10 are mostly the same thing.  The big difference I see is what you do with the thoughts or feelings.  

 

I think the 1 to 10 business might be CBT? I say this because I had a CBT manual and it also asked this. I think that is quite stressful myself! 

______________________

Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

This is my personal blog where I record my experience applying Acceptance Commitment Therapy to my anxiety and agoraphobia in particular, and my life in general. Feel free to browse. 

http://eyeofthehurricane-act.blogspot.com/--- El dom, 28/8/11, Philip Dawson escribió:

De: Philip Dawson

Asunto: Re: Video that mentions wave surfing in the context of bulimia and anxietyPara: ACT_for_the_Public

Fecha: domingo, 28 de agosto, 2011 23:38

 

This is similar to what you see on the OCD shows and the Hoarder shows.  The therapist wants the patient to feel the anxiety and notice it rise, peak and then fall.  On the shows I have seen the therapist is constantly asking the patient to rate their anxiety on a scale of one through ten.

 

I was just watching this show, and I found it quite interesting that the dietitian mentions using wave surfing when it comes to not giving in to the urge and anxious feeling that makes bulimic sufferers wanting to throw up. I don't have a problem like this myself, but I do like in general wave surfing for my own anxiety. Go to minute 12 more or less

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMRzdzIUHWQ & feature=related

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Signature: Mrs Em Equanimity 

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I find it helpful to just stay away for a while sometimes, but I always return and read most if not all posts.I use Thunderbird as my email client and it has tagging feature with which I can tag specific emails according to some predefined labels, or labels I create for different purposes. Some messages I tag as "Read Later", particularly if they're lengthy ones.Others I tag as "Important" -- they're the ones I find most helpful, in that they help me to become grounded in whatever my present reality happens to be, particularly when I'm deeply fused with the morass my mind throws up on a regular basis. As Prof. writes in Get Out of Your Mind, the last thing one should do when one finds oneself in quicksand is to struggle.Tagging is also useful for sorting the messages, so that all those tagged as "Important" can be grouped together for easy access.Of course, others will have their own ways of handling these messages, but if you're like me, and have kept all the emails since joining the list (8002 and counting), tagging is a useful way of keeping them a little organized.Regards,Detlef>> Hi all - > > Just a note from my perspective about subscribing/unsubscribing from> the list -> > I have done both strategies mentioned so far: decreased my level of> participation at times, and also unsubscribed from the list> entirely. In the latter case, it is easy to re-subscribe.> > For me, these strategies can be useful - not to avoid discomfort> with perceived interpersonal conflicts, but rather, as a way of> managing in my time so that I can put more focus on other pursuits.> As we all know the Internet can be addictive (I believe the> colloquial phrase is "giant time suck") and so I am all for whatever> helps reduce time spent on the Web or on email when that is desired.> > Not a big deal either way, I don't think. There is always a lot of> coming and going on the list anyway.> > - R.>

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Nobody should stop or avoid anything.  Nobody should leave, everything is here to learn.  I assume everyone here is here to participate, get  help and give help.  Even if that just means contributing nicely to a conversation.

This is why I spoke openly about, my complaints,  my issues, my thoughts, and my feelings last night. I would normally unsubscribe and just avoid the entire issue.   I did not want to avoid.  I can't tell you the number of things that I was successful at but my mind made me quit.  I was a good ice hockey player.  I have literally won the league scoring championship but my mind told me that I was being judged by my teammates etc.  I had to quit playing because I was having panic attacks after the games.  Now I just miss playing.

(I am never certain where to start a new paragraph)At the same time I was suffering because it felt like I was in a battle with people that I wanted to share with.  People that I wanted to get information from.  People who may or may not have had more success at ACT then I have had.    Have you ever had an argument with someone that you don't disagree with?  This is how I felt.  I am new to ACT and I am at a point in my life where my struggles are beginning to win.  Avoidance would be giving in so I wanted to continue to participate even if that meant sharing my pain and asserting myself.

I am not a professional writer and I am not a great reader.  It is very hard to write, using words, about a topic that is so focused on words.  It feels like I am walking on a tightrope and I have never been trained to do it or practiced it. Many of you are more experienced in ACT and using the words then I am so it feels even more difficult.

I do read but comprehension is an issue at times, mostly due to poor focus.  (To be honest, I can't keep up with some of the long emails posted here) but I was pretty certain that I was participating with my experiences, what knowledge I have obtained and seen, and was doing it in a way to contribute to the discussion.  I was also sharing something my therapist had pointed out to me.  

I have my own saying.  I see it occur a lot on internet message boards and recognize it in myself. " It is better to be 'not wrong' then it is to be right "  This means that being corrected is more painful then not knowing in the first place.  I have no problem saying I don't know what things are.  During the thread yesterday, when I was being corrected it felt so strange because I was not wrong.  It felt like people were having a private conversation and that they were at a level that I was not at (...)  It felt like I was not being good enough of an ACT disciple.  It felt like I was not sophisticated enough in the right word usage.  It hurt.  It hurt double because I was not wrong but the people I was sharing with were saying I was.

Also as I mentioned I was suffering from what happened at the VA.  That is a topic unto itself but it touches on some of the same things.  I want to help because I want to improve myself and I literally want to help others but sometimes it backfires on you.

Yesterday, a few things backfired (mentally and literally) on me.  I could not find the space or peace I needed to do my mindfulness.  I went for my normal run and my ruminations were bad.  I ended up binge eating on ice cream (Ben & Jerry are evil) and I ended sitting in my chair in pain.  

I don't want to trigger anyone else but things got worse for me.I, as usual, got relief from an ambien, my dental guard, and my cpap machine.  Today I feel better and I am able to have the space to reflect on yesterday.

So please don't quit any groups or stop participating in anything.   Everything is an opportunity to improve. I would like to take it as an opportunity to create some space in my mind and feel better out of the whole thing.

 

I find it helpful to just stay away for a while sometimes, but I always return and read most if not all posts.I use Thunderbird as my email client and it has tagging feature with which I can tag specific emails according to some predefined labels, or labels I create for different purposes. Some messages I tag as " Read Later " , particularly if they're lengthy ones.

Others I tag as " Important " -- they're the ones I find most helpful, in that they help me to become grounded in whatever my present reality happens to be, particularly when I'm deeply fused with the morass my mind throws up on a regular basis. As Prof. writes in Get Out of Your Mind, the last thing one should do when one finds oneself in quicksand is to struggle.

Tagging is also useful for sorting the messages, so that all those tagged as " Important " can be grouped together for easy access.Of course, others will have their own ways of handling these messages, but if you're like me, and have kept all the emails since joining the list (8002 and counting), tagging is a useful way of keeping them a little organized.

Regards,Detlef

>> Hi all - > > Just a note from my perspective about subscribing/unsubscribing from> the list -> > I have done both strategies mentioned so far: decreased my level of> participation at times, and also unsubscribed from the list

> entirely. In the latter case, it is easy to re-subscribe.> > For me, these strategies can be useful - not to avoid discomfort> with perceived interpersonal conflicts, but rather, as a way of

> managing in my time so that I can put more focus on other pursuits.

> As we all know the Internet can be addictive (I believe the> colloquial phrase is " giant time suck " ) and so I am all for whatever> helps reduce time spent on the Web or on email when that is desired.

> > Not a big deal either way, I don't think. There is always a lot of> coming and going on the list anyway.> > - R.>

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Welcome to the merry-go-round, Philip. Sometimes all we can do is try to enjoy the ride. After all, why not?Regards,Detlef> > >> > > Hi all -> > >> > > Just a note from my perspective about subscribing/unsubscribing from> > > the list -> > >> > > I have done both strategies mentioned so far: decreased my level of> > > participation at times, and also unsubscribed from the list> > > entirely. In the latter case, it is easy to re-subscribe.> > >> > > For me, these strategies can be useful - not to avoid discomfort> > > with perceived interpersonal conflicts, but rather, as a way of> > > managing in my time so that I can put more focus on other pursuits.> > > As we all know the Internet can be addictive (I believe the> > > colloquial phrase is "giant time suck") and so I am all for whatever> > > helps reduce time spent on the Web or on email when that is desired.> > >> > > Not a big deal either way, I don't think. There is always a lot of> > > coming and going on the list anyway.> > >> > > - R.> > >> >> > > >>