Re: Re: My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

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Huh?

Helena : )

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:36:44 PMSubject: Re: My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

Yes Stan..."intellectual"...for _Whom_?and _Why_?The thing/Teaching is what-is...words pointing to what-is...the Thinking is the listeners...and THAT seems to me,to be 'the problem'...When one says:"One thing he taught though, is very ACT-friendly."......_what_ is that? What is its Actual nature?Thinking, comparisson, the Intellect... No?So, have we Really moved to a Truly better guru/method/'ACT'...or just changed the jargon and/or the conceptual garb?It seems to me, that _only_ when one comes tothe state of _"I do not know"_...(which happens unavoidably when one sees and acknowledges the Actual fact of the intellect's impotence and ignorancein the essential/existential areas of Life...)...only then, True Hearing/Listening happens, _without_ being caughtin one's intellectual matrix-traps, and furthermore blamingthe whole of one's own mind's Confusion, on the one who points...The teachings of the 1.000 xyz 'experts' and problem-solvers, are _"very Easy" to approximate and practice and get great promissing 'results' and become all-arrogant about it...but, the Truth, -which IS only at the moment of the End of knowledge,, unfortunatelly or fortunatelly, is not as easy or 'quick fix', as that and especially as the pop-approaches and million how-to's of the coaches and therapists... Well, my couple of cents... into cyber-spaceHave a very good day,JB> >> > Hello,> > Since I have noticed some dialogues on J. Krishnamurti, I would share the> > following.> > > > The article (which I have written some years ago) was published in 'The American> > Yoga Journal',> > at their request and a Krishnamurti-teachings related magazine.> > > > Regards,> > JB> > > > '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''> > > > > > My meeting with J. Krishnamurti> > -------------------------------> > > > I believe it was in 1982, in Switzerland, after a group meeting with J.> > Krishnamurti. The time had come to say goodbye. I noticed how others were very> > respectfully taking turns to shake his hand in farewell.> > For what seemed like an eternity, I was in the midst of a dilemma.> > On the one hand, there was the wish to touch this being and, on the other, a> > monologue saying, "What nonsense are you up to... playing the guru game after> > all, aren't you?"> > > > And while I was going round like a mouse trapped in a cage – there was only> > one door, and K was standing by it – suddenly I saw the situation in a sober> > way: simply a matter of saying goodbye to someone with whom one has spent some> > time; no fuss, no thoughts of expecting shaktipat (energy transference), or any> > other gloriously pink astral emotions.> > I was the last one in the queue, so there was no way out of it.> > > > I walked towards him, shook his hand and said, "Thank you for this time and> > goodbye."> > "Yeees, sir," he said. That was all, on the outwardly visible level.> > > > In those few seconds, the following also happened: He took my hand in his,> > and with his other hand, my elbow; it felt as though my whole being and its> > contents were being shaken into place; a current of a very high speed passed on> > through my hand to the rest of the body, from head to toe; it was like a good> > and instant shower of energy.> > > > He looked into my eyes.> > > > I've never seen such dark, large and bottomless eyes! For a split second I> > felt a fear similar to that of falling off a mountain precipice, as though there> > was a space without end, and invisible – and yet perceived – floods of love were> > pouring from his eyes. (In view of this, it's quite interesting that some people> > call him `dry' and `intellectual'.)> > > > I was standing there, hardly prepared for all that, and this little man, who> > physically did not reach higher than my chest, was definitely felt by me to be> > about 4 times taller than myself.> > > > Because it all happened so quickly, only when I stepped outside the room did> > I realize what had taken place.> > > > I had witnessed a few similar events in the company of others before I met K,> > but the delicacy, subtlety, purity and sobriety contained in the nature of this> > meeting was somehow unique.> > > > He was a rare one!> > > > I've read that even though he hardly ever talked about matters of a mystical> > nature, he himself said that there will not be another like him for several> > hundred years, the reason for this being the necessity for a body that can> > withstand the enormous volume of energy similar to that which passed through K's> > body.> > > > And my mind at times throws up the question: Does such an encounter leave> > some kind of a `seed' in one, or is it just another awesome experience?> > > > Maybe I'll never know, and it probably does not matter either.> > > > > > JB> > http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/> > (in English and Danish)> > http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/> > (The official repository of the authentic teachings of J. Krishnamurti)> >>

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Hi JB,

I'm saddened to hear of your physical illness and how it affects your energy.

I can't speak to anyone else's replies to you. If you are referring to the tongue-in-cheek "meeting the Buddha" analogy, I took that in the spirit of fun; an attempt at humor.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:07:01 PMSubject: Re: My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

Thanks for the response Helena... just sharing as long as I now can...am not young any longer...you see, have almost died 3 times while butchered for cancer, it spread though but I said stop to mor knife jobs from the experts...doing the alternative-products treatment. feel well..even so... energy is not overflowing... have not enough of it to get involved in gross or subtly gross sarcasm-dirt pieces thrown at me... so I shall let them have fun...but perhaps I misunderstood something,, so I'll ask you:those replies I got, are they sarcastic/arrogant or they are in the mentality of the group here and quite innocent...?Thanks, have a good dayJB>> > > Thanks for sharing that incredible experience. I have signed up for the daily quotes from the website, which have been quite inspirational . > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > Helena > > > > My meeting with J. Krishnamurti > >  > > > > > Hello, > Since I have noticed some dialogues on J. Krishnamurti, I would share the > following. > > The article (which I have written some years ago) was published in 'The American > Yoga Journal', > at their request and a Krishnamurti-teachings related magazine. > > Regards, > JB > > ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' > > My meeting with J. Krishnamurti > ------------------------------- > > I believe it was in 1982, in Switzerland, after a group meeting with J. > Krishnamurti. The time had come to say goodbye. I noticed how others were very > respectfully taking turns to shake his hand in farewell. > For what seemed like an eternity, I was in the midst of a dilemma. > On the one hand, there was the wish to touch this being and, on the other, a > monologue saying, "What nonsense are you up to... playing the guru game after > all, aren't you?" > > And while I was going round like a mouse trapped in a cage â€" there was only > one door, and K was standing by it â€" suddenly I saw the situation in a sober > way: simply a matter of saying goodbye to someone with whom one has spent some > time; no fuss, no thoughts of expecting shaktipat (energy transference), or any > other gloriously pink astral emotions. > I was the last one in the queue, so there was no way out of it. > > I walked towards him, shook his hand and said, "Thank you for this time and > goodbye." > "Yeees, sir," he said. That was all, on the outwardly visible level. > > In those few seconds, the following also happened: He took my hand in his, > and with his other hand, my elbow; it felt as though my whole being and its > contents were being shaken into place; a current of a very high speed passed on > through my hand to the rest of the body, from head to toe; it was like a good > and instant shower of energy. > > He looked into my eyes. > > I've never seen such dark, large and bottomless eyes! For a split second I > felt a fear similar to that of falling off a mountain precipice, as though there > was a space without end, and invisible â€" and yet perceived â€" floods of love were > pouring from his eyes. (In view of this, it's quite interesting that some people > call him `dry' and `intellectual'.) > > I was standing there, hardly prepared for all that, and this little man, who > physically did not reach higher than my chest, was definitely felt by me to be > about 4 times taller than myself. > > Because it all happened so quickly, only when I stepped outside the room did > I realize what had taken place. > > I had witnessed a few similar events in the company of others before I met K, > but the delicacy, subtlety, purity and sobriety contained in the nature of this > meeting was somehow unique. > > He was a rare one! > > I've read that even though he hardly ever talked about matters of a mystical > nature, he himself said that there will not be another like him for several > hundred years, the reason for this being the necessity for a body that can > withstand the enormous volume of energy similar to that which passed through K's > body. > > And my mind at times throws up the question: Does such an encounter leave > some kind of a `seed' in one, or is it just another awesome experience? > > Maybe I'll never know, and it probably does not matter either. > > JB > http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/ > (in English and Danish) > http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/ > (The official repository of the authentic teachings of J. Krishnamurti)>

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Hi JB,

I'm saddened to hear of your physical illness and how it affects your energy.

I can't speak to anyone else's replies to you. If you are referring to the tongue-in-cheek "meeting the Buddha" analogy, I took that in the spirit of fun; an attempt at humor.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:07:01 PMSubject: Re: My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

Thanks for the response Helena... just sharing as long as I now can...am not young any longer...you see, have almost died 3 times while butchered for cancer, it spread though but I said stop to mor knife jobs from the experts...doing the alternative-products treatment. feel well..even so... energy is not overflowing... have not enough of it to get involved in gross or subtly gross sarcasm-dirt pieces thrown at me... so I shall let them have fun...but perhaps I misunderstood something,, so I'll ask you:those replies I got, are they sarcastic/arrogant or they are in the mentality of the group here and quite innocent...?Thanks, have a good dayJB>> > > Thanks for sharing that incredible experience. I have signed up for the daily quotes from the website, which have been quite inspirational . > > > > Thank you so much. > > > > Helena > > > > My meeting with J. Krishnamurti > >  > > > > > Hello, > Since I have noticed some dialogues on J. Krishnamurti, I would share the > following. > > The article (which I have written some years ago) was published in 'The American > Yoga Journal', > at their request and a Krishnamurti-teachings related magazine. > > Regards, > JB > > ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' > > My meeting with J. Krishnamurti > ------------------------------- > > I believe it was in 1982, in Switzerland, after a group meeting with J. > Krishnamurti. The time had come to say goodbye. I noticed how others were very > respectfully taking turns to shake his hand in farewell. > For what seemed like an eternity, I was in the midst of a dilemma. > On the one hand, there was the wish to touch this being and, on the other, a > monologue saying, "What nonsense are you up to... playing the guru game after > all, aren't you?" > > And while I was going round like a mouse trapped in a cage â€" there was only > one door, and K was standing by it â€" suddenly I saw the situation in a sober > way: simply a matter of saying goodbye to someone with whom one has spent some > time; no fuss, no thoughts of expecting shaktipat (energy transference), or any > other gloriously pink astral emotions. > I was the last one in the queue, so there was no way out of it. > > I walked towards him, shook his hand and said, "Thank you for this time and > goodbye." > "Yeees, sir," he said. That was all, on the outwardly visible level. > > In those few seconds, the following also happened: He took my hand in his, > and with his other hand, my elbow; it felt as though my whole being and its > contents were being shaken into place; a current of a very high speed passed on > through my hand to the rest of the body, from head to toe; it was like a good > and instant shower of energy. > > He looked into my eyes. > > I've never seen such dark, large and bottomless eyes! For a split second I > felt a fear similar to that of falling off a mountain precipice, as though there > was a space without end, and invisible â€" and yet perceived â€" floods of love were > pouring from his eyes. (In view of this, it's quite interesting that some people > call him `dry' and `intellectual'.) > > I was standing there, hardly prepared for all that, and this little man, who > physically did not reach higher than my chest, was definitely felt by me to be > about 4 times taller than myself. > > Because it all happened so quickly, only when I stepped outside the room did > I realize what had taken place. > > I had witnessed a few similar events in the company of others before I met K, > but the delicacy, subtlety, purity and sobriety contained in the nature of this > meeting was somehow unique. > > He was a rare one! > > I've read that even though he hardly ever talked about matters of a mystical > nature, he himself said that there will not be another like him for several > hundred years, the reason for this being the necessity for a body that can > withstand the enormous volume of energy similar to that which passed through K's > body. > > And my mind at times throws up the question: Does such an encounter leave > some kind of a `seed' in one, or is it just another awesome experience? > > Maybe I'll never know, and it probably does not matter either. > > JB > http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/ > (in English and Danish) > http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/ > (The official repository of the authentic teachings of J. Krishnamurti)>