Re: My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

[Guest guest]

Yeah, reminds me of the time I met the Buddha.It was on the corner of Swanston and streets, here in Melbourne, Australia, where he was begging for pennies (it was pre-decimal currency days).He was dressed in rags, unshaven, and emitted the perfume of ten skunks.I took pity on him and invited him to lunch at a nearby pub. He gratefully accepted.After a hearty lunch of a "mixed grill" -- comprised of various meats, with chips and salad, accompanied by a couple liters of Australia's finest ale, I finally gathered up the courage to ask him the question:"Buddha, old chap, old buddy, mon ami," I stuttered, "What's that godawful smell?"Buddha wiped his mouth with the paper napkin, looked at me and said:>> Hello,> Since I have noticed some dialogues on J. Krishnamurti, I would share the> following.> > The article (which I have written some years ago) was published in 'The American> Yoga Journal',> at their request and a Krishnamurti-teachings related magazine.> > Regards,> JB> > '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''> > > My meeting with J. Krishnamurti> -------------------------------> > I believe it was in 1982, in Switzerland, after a group meeting with J.> Krishnamurti. The time had come to say goodbye. I noticed how others were very> respectfully taking turns to shake his hand in farewell.> For what seemed like an eternity, I was in the midst of a dilemma.> On the one hand, there was the wish to touch this being and, on the other, a> monologue saying, "What nonsense are you up to... playing the guru game after> all, aren't you?"> > And while I was going round like a mouse trapped in a cage – there was only> one door, and K was standing by it – suddenly I saw the situation in a sober> way: simply a matter of saying goodbye to someone with whom one has spent some> time; no fuss, no thoughts of expecting shaktipat (energy transference), or any> other gloriously pink astral emotions.> I was the last one in the queue, so there was no way out of it.> > I walked towards him, shook his hand and said, "Thank you for this time and> goodbye."> "Yeees, sir," he said. That was all, on the outwardly visible level.> > In those few seconds, the following also happened: He took my hand in his,> and with his other hand, my elbow; it felt as though my whole being and its> contents were being shaken into place; a current of a very high speed passed on> through my hand to the rest of the body, from head to toe; it was like a good> and instant shower of energy.> > He looked into my eyes.> > I've never seen such dark, large and bottomless eyes! For a split second I> felt a fear similar to that of falling off a mountain precipice, as though there> was a space without end, and invisible – and yet perceived – floods of love were> pouring from his eyes. (In view of this, it's quite interesting that some people> call him `dry' and `intellectual'.)> > I was standing there, hardly prepared for all that, and this little man, who> physically did not reach higher than my chest, was definitely felt by me to be> about 4 times taller than myself.> > Because it all happened so quickly, only when I stepped outside the room did> I realize what had taken place.> > I had witnessed a few similar events in the company of others before I met K,> but the delicacy, subtlety, purity and sobriety contained in the nature of this> meeting was somehow unique.> > He was a rare one!> > I've read that even though he hardly ever talked about matters of a mystical> nature, he himself said that there will not be another like him for several> hundred years, the reason for this being the necessity for a body that can> withstand the enormous volume of energy similar to that which passed through K's> body.> > And my mind at times throws up the question: Does such an encounter leave> some kind of a `seed' in one, or is it just another awesome experience?> > Maybe I'll never know, and it probably does not matter either.> > > JB> http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/> (in English and Danish)> http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/> (The official repository of the authentic teachings of J. Krishnamurti)>

[Guest guest]

JB,

Your post about Krishnamurti brought back a lot of fond memories.

Way back in the late 1970s and early 80s, I was heavily into reading every book

of his that I could get my hands on. I also used to buy cassette tapes (remember

those?) at my local Theosophical Society bookshop.

I loved reading and thinking about what he said in his talks and dialogues, and

trying to understand the core of his teaching. It was all good and very heady

stuff. My mind was having a field day!

And that, to me, was the problem. His teachings are very intellectual, and

immensely attractive to those of us who want to try and think our way to

happiness and peace. The mind, and the way it gets itself into the knots that

cause our suffering, is a large part of the problem, and yet in my case his

teachings only created bigger and tighter knots. In ACT terms, I was engaging

with my thoughts and fusing with them big-time!

What he was trying get at is, I believe, very simple. He was pointing to what I

think calls the " uber observing self " , where our sense of being an

individual who is separate from everything around us falls away and all there is

pure awareness.

One thing he taught though, is very ACT-friendly. What he suggested we do is

what he called 'choiceless awareness'. That is, simply watch what is happening

inside and around us moment by moment without making any judgements about what

we observe. If we do find ourselves making judgements, note those as well, since

they're part of what's happening at this moment.

Cheers,

Stan

>

> Hello,

> Since I have noticed some dialogues on J. Krishnamurti, I would share the

> following.

>

> The article (which I have written some years ago) was published in 'The

American

> Yoga Journal',

> at their request and a Krishnamurti-teachings related magazine.

>

> Regards,

> JB

>

> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

>

>

> My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

> -------------------------------

>

> I believe it was in 1982, in Switzerland, after a group meeting with J.

> Krishnamurti. The time had come to say goodbye. I noticed how others were very

> respectfully taking turns to shake his hand in farewell.

> For what seemed like an eternity, I was in the midst of a dilemma.

> On the one hand, there was the wish to touch this being and, on the other, a

> monologue saying, " What nonsense are you up to... playing the guru game after

> all, aren't you? "

>

> And while I was going round like a mouse trapped in a cage – there was only

> one door, and K was standing by it – suddenly I saw the situation in a sober

> way: simply a matter of saying goodbye to someone with whom one has spent some

> time; no fuss, no thoughts of expecting shaktipat (energy transference), or

any

> other gloriously pink astral emotions.

> I was the last one in the queue, so there was no way out of it.

>

> I walked towards him, shook his hand and said, " Thank you for this time and

> goodbye. "

> " Yeees, sir, " he said. That was all, on the outwardly visible level.

>

> In those few seconds, the following also happened: He took my hand in his,

> and with his other hand, my elbow; it felt as though my whole being and its

> contents were being shaken into place; a current of a very high speed passed

on

> through my hand to the rest of the body, from head to toe; it was like a good

> and instant shower of energy.

>

> He looked into my eyes.

>

> I've never seen such dark, large and bottomless eyes! For a split second I

> felt a fear similar to that of falling off a mountain precipice, as though

there

> was a space without end, and invisible – and yet perceived – floods of love

were

> pouring from his eyes. (In view of this, it's quite interesting that some

people

> call him `dry' and `intellectual'.)

>

> I was standing there, hardly prepared for all that, and this little man, who

> physically did not reach higher than my chest, was definitely felt by me to be

> about 4 times taller than myself.

>

> Because it all happened so quickly, only when I stepped outside the room did

> I realize what had taken place.

>

> I had witnessed a few similar events in the company of others before I met K,

> but the delicacy, subtlety, purity and sobriety contained in the nature of

this

> meeting was somehow unique.

>

> He was a rare one!

>

> I've read that even though he hardly ever talked about matters of a mystical

> nature, he himself said that there will not be another like him for several

> hundred years, the reason for this being the necessity for a body that can

> withstand the enormous volume of energy similar to that which passed through

K's

> body.

>

> And my mind at times throws up the question: Does such an encounter leave

> some kind of a `seed' in one, or is it just another awesome experience?

>

> Maybe I'll never know, and it probably does not matter either.

>

>

> JB

> http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/

> (in English and Danish)

> http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/

> (The official repository of the authentic teachings of J. Krishnamurti)

>

[Guest guest]

JB,

Your post about Krishnamurti brought back a lot of fond memories.

Way back in the late 1970s and early 80s, I was heavily into reading every book

of his that I could get my hands on. I also used to buy cassette tapes (remember

those?) at my local Theosophical Society bookshop.

I loved reading and thinking about what he said in his talks and dialogues, and

trying to understand the core of his teaching. It was all good and very heady

stuff. My mind was having a field day!

And that, to me, was the problem. His teachings are very intellectual, and

immensely attractive to those of us who want to try and think our way to

happiness and peace. The mind, and the way it gets itself into the knots that

cause our suffering, is a large part of the problem, and yet in my case his

teachings only created bigger and tighter knots. In ACT terms, I was engaging

with my thoughts and fusing with them big-time!

What he was trying get at is, I believe, very simple. He was pointing to what I

think calls the " uber observing self " , where our sense of being an

individual who is separate from everything around us falls away and all there is

pure awareness.

One thing he taught though, is very ACT-friendly. What he suggested we do is

what he called 'choiceless awareness'. That is, simply watch what is happening

inside and around us moment by moment without making any judgements about what

we observe. If we do find ourselves making judgements, note those as well, since

they're part of what's happening at this moment.

Cheers,

Stan

>

> Hello,

> Since I have noticed some dialogues on J. Krishnamurti, I would share the

> following.

>

> The article (which I have written some years ago) was published in 'The

American

> Yoga Journal',

> at their request and a Krishnamurti-teachings related magazine.

>

> Regards,

> JB

>

> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

>

>

> My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

> -------------------------------

>

> I believe it was in 1982, in Switzerland, after a group meeting with J.

> Krishnamurti. The time had come to say goodbye. I noticed how others were very

> respectfully taking turns to shake his hand in farewell.

> For what seemed like an eternity, I was in the midst of a dilemma.

> On the one hand, there was the wish to touch this being and, on the other, a

> monologue saying, " What nonsense are you up to... playing the guru game after

> all, aren't you? "

>

> And while I was going round like a mouse trapped in a cage – there was only

> one door, and K was standing by it – suddenly I saw the situation in a sober

> way: simply a matter of saying goodbye to someone with whom one has spent some

> time; no fuss, no thoughts of expecting shaktipat (energy transference), or

any

> other gloriously pink astral emotions.

> I was the last one in the queue, so there was no way out of it.

>

> I walked towards him, shook his hand and said, " Thank you for this time and

> goodbye. "

> " Yeees, sir, " he said. That was all, on the outwardly visible level.

>

> In those few seconds, the following also happened: He took my hand in his,

> and with his other hand, my elbow; it felt as though my whole being and its

> contents were being shaken into place; a current of a very high speed passed

on

> through my hand to the rest of the body, from head to toe; it was like a good

> and instant shower of energy.

>

> He looked into my eyes.

>

> I've never seen such dark, large and bottomless eyes! For a split second I

> felt a fear similar to that of falling off a mountain precipice, as though

there

> was a space without end, and invisible – and yet perceived – floods of love

were

> pouring from his eyes. (In view of this, it's quite interesting that some

people

> call him `dry' and `intellectual'.)

>

> I was standing there, hardly prepared for all that, and this little man, who

> physically did not reach higher than my chest, was definitely felt by me to be

> about 4 times taller than myself.

>

> Because it all happened so quickly, only when I stepped outside the room did

> I realize what had taken place.

>

> I had witnessed a few similar events in the company of others before I met K,

> but the delicacy, subtlety, purity and sobriety contained in the nature of

this

> meeting was somehow unique.

>

> He was a rare one!

>

> I've read that even though he hardly ever talked about matters of a mystical

> nature, he himself said that there will not be another like him for several

> hundred years, the reason for this being the necessity for a body that can

> withstand the enormous volume of energy similar to that which passed through

K's

> body.

>

> And my mind at times throws up the question: Does such an encounter leave

> some kind of a `seed' in one, or is it just another awesome experience?

>

> Maybe I'll never know, and it probably does not matter either.

>

>

> JB

> http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/

> (in English and Danish)

> http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/

> (The official repository of the authentic teachings of J. Krishnamurti)

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Stan...

" intellectual " ...

for _Whom_?

and _Why_?

The thing/Teaching is what-is...

words pointing to what-is...

the Thinking is the listeners...

and THAT seems to me,

to be 'the problem'...

When one says:

" One thing he taught though, is very ACT-friendly. " ...

...._what_ is that? What is its Actual nature?

Thinking, comparisson, the Intellect...

No?

So, have we Really moved to a Truly

better guru/method/'ACT'...

or just changed the jargon and/or the conceptual garb?

It seems to me, that _only_ when one comes to

the state of _ " I do not know " _...

(which happens unavoidably when one sees and acknowledges

the Actual fact of the intellect's impotence and ignorance

in the essential/existential areas of Life...)

....only then, True Hearing/Listening happens, _without_ being caught

in one's intellectual matrix-traps, and furthermore blaming

the whole of one's own mind's Confusion, on the one who points...

The teachings of the 1.000 xyz 'experts' and problem-solvers, are _ " very Easy "

to approximate and practice and get great promissing 'results' and become

all-arrogant about it...

but, the Truth, -which IS only at the moment of the End of knowledge,,

unfortunatelly or fortunatelly, is not as easy or 'quick fix', as that and

especially as the pop-approaches and million how-to's of the coaches and

therapists...

Well, my couple of cents...

into cyber-space

Have a very good day,

JB

> >

> > Hello,

> > Since I have noticed some dialogues on J. Krishnamurti, I would share the

> > following.

> >

> > The article (which I have written some years ago) was published in 'The

American

> > Yoga Journal',

> > at their request and a Krishnamurti-teachings related magazine.

> >

> > Regards,

> > JB

> >

> > '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

> >

> >

> > My meeting with J. Krishnamurti

> > -------------------------------

> >

> > I believe it was in 1982, in Switzerland, after a group meeting with J.

> > Krishnamurti. The time had come to say goodbye. I noticed how others were

very

> > respectfully taking turns to shake his hand in farewell.

> > For what seemed like an eternity, I was in the midst of a dilemma.

> > On the one hand, there was the wish to touch this being and, on the other, a

> > monologue saying, " What nonsense are you up to... playing the guru game

after

> > all, aren't you? "

> >

> > And while I was going round like a mouse trapped in a cage – there was only

> > one door, and K was standing by it – suddenly I saw the situation in a sober

> > way: simply a matter of saying goodbye to someone with whom one has spent

some

> > time; no fuss, no thoughts of expecting shaktipat (energy transference), or

any

> > other gloriously pink astral emotions.

> > I was the last one in the queue, so there was no way out of it.

> >

> > I walked towards him, shook his hand and said, " Thank you for this time and

> > goodbye. "

> > " Yeees, sir, " he said. That was all, on the outwardly visible level.

> >

> > In those few seconds, the following also happened: He took my hand in his,

> > and with his other hand, my elbow; it felt as though my whole being and its

> > contents were being shaken into place; a current of a very high speed passed

on

> > through my hand to the rest of the body, from head to toe; it was like a

good

> > and instant shower of energy.

> >

> > He looked into my eyes.

> >

> > I've never seen such dark, large and bottomless eyes! For a split second I

> > felt a fear similar to that of falling off a mountain precipice, as though

there

> > was a space without end, and invisible – and yet perceived – floods of love

were

> > pouring from his eyes. (In view of this, it's quite interesting that some

people

> > call him `dry' and `intellectual'.)

> >

> > I was standing there, hardly prepared for all that, and this little man, who

> > physically did not reach higher than my chest, was definitely felt by me to

be

> > about 4 times taller than myself.

> >

> > Because it all happened so quickly, only when I stepped outside the room did

> > I realize what had taken place.

> >

> > I had witnessed a few similar events in the company of others before I met

K,

> > but the delicacy, subtlety, purity and sobriety contained in the nature of

this

> > meeting was somehow unique.

> >

> > He was a rare one!

> >

> > I've read that even though he hardly ever talked about matters of a mystical

> > nature, he himself said that there will not be another like him for several

> > hundred years, the reason for this being the necessity for a body that can

> > withstand the enormous volume of energy similar to that which passed through

K's

> > body.

> >

> > And my mind at times throws up the question: Does such an encounter leave

> > some kind of a `seed' in one, or is it just another awesome experience?

> >

> > Maybe I'll never know, and it probably does not matter either.

> >

> >

> > JB

> > http://www.krishnamurti-denmark.dk/

> > (in English and Danish)

> > http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/

> > (The official repository of the authentic teachings of J. Krishnamurti)

> >

>