Re: Aggression - Valerian and 5HYP

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Hi Sara;

Thanks so much for your input... I know meds are a hot topic in some groups so

thanks for having the courage to speak up

Yes, I know my eldest daughter's system is a mess in every sense of the word...

it's just so disheartening... I'm not a newbie at this by any means... I've been

at this biomed thing for 8+ years, hardcore, and have done the circuit of Autism

DAN conferences/treatments/testing etc always looking for more help, more

answers.

I am just SO SICK of the " healing regressions " that many practitioners insist

must accompany any healing... for us we have seen horrible regressions, and then

months to get her back to baseline - forget about improvements.

Sorry, venting again. Just feels like nothing will actually help... The thought

of continuing on with a child that is so unstable/aggressive, and cleaning up

fecal smears and urine twice a day or more is intolerable... I don't even want

to think about when she starts her period.

Thanks for putting up with my whining. As Fransel said, I am so thankful for

all of your input and support. I am looking at all suggestions and seeing how

they may help my child.

Kim

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> I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider a

stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a stopgap

measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are in

crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will take

time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some time.

> Best wishes

> Sara

[Guest guest]

I think you should consider trying Nutramedix tinctures, like Amantilla

(valerian) and Babuna. Anyway, I'd recommend to start with only 1 drop of

tincture, even if instructions say 24 drops, considering how sensitive our kids

very often are. For sensitive kids starting with too big a dose can create too

strong sensations, which in turn will lead to behavior problems. Even if the new

supplement is good for them and doing it's job.

By the way, members of this group have 50% discount on Nutramedix stuff, if you

call to order And there are videos on youtube about the products, with Dr.

Lee Cowden himself speaking.

Take care,

DIna.

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> > I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider

a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a

stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are

in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will

take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some

time.

> > Best wishes

> > Sara

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Hello Kim, FranselI have been thinking about you girls a lot, l believe, to a certain point, we all try to avoid drugs, that is why we've chosen biomed, BUT, when a family has done so much, gone through so much, for such long time and the results have not been positive, l think it is time to let go and move to the next step: drugs or whatever it might mean.... You and your family deserve some peace too, you have a right to preserve other members of your family from suffering further damage. I think it is very sad when parents start medicating their kids 2 days after the diagnose and don't even try healing them w alternatives, not your case, YOU girls have done so much! I honestly believe you can be at peace with yourself and the world, if you need to medicate your child, do it, nobody else is in your shoes. I pray they get better, sometimes, medication is not what we expect, but the least you can do is try. We parents pray we don't have to be confronted to such difficult decisions, but l believe most people struggling to help an ASD child is potentially under pressure to do it or not. in our case, we are coming to a point where we must decide whether to put our child on anticonvulsants or not. When l read the feedback, some doing great and some going downhill, l get scared, but treating seizures might be something good for him....or not. Won't know until l try. I am scared to think his brain is under constant fire, and not knowing if the damage is reversible, if he can be helped. Now it downs on me why so many treatments and so little success. Yes, facing this questions is not easy, deciding is not easy, but we will never know unless we give this a try too. Just as much as we've given everything else a try...I am unloading here too.... I am in a crisis today so sorry if l am too direct. I can't talk w my husband about this topic w/o us ending in a huge confrontation, l think he is slowly tired of the whole thing. My friends (few l have) don't fully understand what this is about and explaining turns into an exhausting talk to me. IsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 17:00:11 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Aggression - Valerian and 5HYP Hi Sara;Thanks so much for your input... I know meds are a hot topic in some groups so thanks for having the courage to speak up :)Yes, I know my eldest daughter's system is a mess in every sense of the word... it's just so disheartening... I'm not a newbie at this by any means... I've been at this biomed thing for 8+ years, hardcore, and have done the circuit of Autism DAN conferences/treatments/testing etc always looking for more help, more answers.I am just SO SICK of the " healing regressions " that many practitioners insist must accompany any healing... for us we have seen horrible regressions, and then months to get her back to baseline - forget about improvements. Sorry, venting again. Just feels like nothing will actually help... The thought of continuing on with a child that is so unstable/aggressive, and cleaning up fecal smears and urine twice a day or more is intolerable... I don't even want to think about when she starts her period.Thanks for putting up with my whining. As Fransel said, I am so thankful for all of your input and support. I am looking at all suggestions and seeing how they may help my child. Kim >> > Kim> I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some time.> Best wishes> Sara

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Exactly Isa you are right on your assessments including lack of support or understanding. I am tired explaining also and many don't even want us around as we can be disruptive. I am ok with that - I can just as well do more research in search for answers. This support group has kept me sane and brave to face the next day's challenge.FranselFrom: isaguzmandiaz2@...Sender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 19:11:33 +0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: Aggression - Valerian and 5HYP

Hello Kim, FranselI have been thinking about you girls a lot, l believe, to a certain point, we all try to avoid drugs, that is why we've chosen biomed, BUT, when a family has done so much, gone through so much, for such long time and the results have not been positive, l think it is time to let go and move to the next step: drugs or whatever it might mean.... You and your family deserve some peace too, you have a right to preserve other members of your family from suffering further damage. I think it is very sad when parents start medicating their kids 2 days after the diagnose and don't even try healing them w alternatives, not your case, YOU girls have done so much! I honestly believe you can be at peace with yourself and the world, if you need to medicate your child, do it, nobody else is in your shoes. I pray they get better, sometimes, medication is not what we expect, but the least you can do is try. We parents pray we don't have to be confronted to such difficult decisions, but l believe most people struggling to help an ASD child is potentially under pressure to do it or not. in our case, we are coming to a point where we must decide whether to put our child on anticonvulsants or not. When l read the feedback, some doing great and some going downhill, l get scared, but treating seizures might be something good for him....or not. Won't know until l try. I am scared to think his brain is under constant fire, and not knowing if the damage is reversible, if he can be helped. Now it downs on me why so many treatments and so little success. Yes, facing this questions is not easy, deciding is not easy, but we will never know unless we give this a try too. Just as much as we've given everything else a try...I am unloading here too.... I am in a crisis today so sorry if l am too direct. I can't talk w my husband about this topic w/o us ending in a huge confrontation, l think he is slowly tired of the whole thing. My friends (few l have) don't fully understand what this is about and explaining turns into an exhausting talk to me. IsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 17:00:11 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Aggression - Valerian and 5HYP Hi Sara;Thanks so much for your input... I know meds are a hot topic in some groups so thanks for having the courage to speak up :)Yes, I know my eldest daughter's system is a mess in every sense of the word... it's just so disheartening... I'm not a newbie at this by any means... I've been at this biomed thing for 8+ years, hardcore, and have done the circuit of Autism DAN conferences/treatments/testing etc always looking for more help, more answers.I am just SO SICK of the " healing regressions " that many practitioners insist must accompany any healing... for us we have seen horrible regressions, and then months to get her back to baseline - forget about improvements. Sorry, venting again. Just feels like nothing will actually help... The thought of continuing on with a child that is so unstable/aggressive, and cleaning up fecal smears and urine twice a day or more is intolerable... I don't even want to think about when she starts her period.Thanks for putting up with my whining. As Fransel said, I am so thankful for all of your input and support. I am looking at all suggestions and seeing how they may help my child. Kim >> > Kim> I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some time.> Best wishes> Sara

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Hugs to you all!!! I know the feeling of isolation and frustration, and not

having anyone to vent to - no one else can begin to comprehend the urgency of

what we deal with, but another Mom/parent in the same boat.

Thanks Isa and Fransel for your comments about meds... I have been beating

myself up for even THINKING about it, but I am wondering if I am just chasing my

tail with biomed as we have exhausted pretty much every option over the past 8

years. It's a shame we have to spend every free moment we have researching how

to get our kids out of crisis.

Isa, I hope you are able to come to a decision about the meds that you are

comfortable with. I know how difficult a decision this is! I thank you for

your kind and comforting words.

Fransel, keep strong - you are not alone

Kim

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> > I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider

a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a

stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are

in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will

take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some

time.

> > Best wishes

> > Sara

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Even Dr. Sears, DAN doc in CA talks about sometimes having to resort to these

meds. It is in his recent book called The Autism Book.....

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> > I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider

a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a

stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are

in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will

take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some

time.

> > Best wishes

> > Sara

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Kim,

You are not a bad mother if you have to do this for a while. I hear you. Been

there, done that, still doing it. You are not alone.

Blessings,

Sara

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> > I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider

a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a

stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are

in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will

take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some

time.

> > Best wishes

> > Sara

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Kim curious if you have tried antivirals ever.

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> > > I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to

consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems

as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child

who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It

will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy

some time.

> > > Best wishes

> > > Sara

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Hi Sara;

Thanks for your words of support I appreciate your further input about meds.

Yes, we have tried antivirals. We've done valtrex, and hosts of herbal

antiviral protocols. In the past I have always been doing SOMETHING - whatever

treatments I have read on boards that sounds promising and is helping other

children.

Kim

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consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems

as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child

who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It

will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy

some time.

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Hi Kim

Sounds like you have tried so much. Antivirals are the one thing I haven't

done. My daughter is soo much better than she was (PANDAS) and we are still

dealing with the autism (DSM !V stuff, like communication) so I was considering

antivirals now. We are still looking for a needle in the haystack for more

complete recovery.

I posted to Fransel about our story with my daughter a day or two back on this

forum. It has been a very very difficult journey and I think that your story

struck my heart, and I am hoping that your child will come around soon. A

friend of mine with ASD child has lyme disease and she recently had to put her

kid on risperdal, even though she has done a lot in the years with her DAN doc,

and he is now on IV antibiotics. The autoimmune diseases can be brutal for our

ASD kids and it is a very difficult journey.

I hope you find the answers you need to get your child well.

Prayers,

Sara

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consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems

as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child

who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It

will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy

some time.

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Also Kim,

I haven't tried homeopathy....don't know if you have tried that. But that might

be for later when your child is more stable/out of crisis...

Sara

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consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems

as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child

who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It

will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy

some time.

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Hi Sara;

So glad to hear your daughter is much better from treating Pandas Yes, our

kids systems are so messed up that they can't handle any assault - every

exposure whether it be in utero, by vaccine or due to everyday personal exposure

to bacteria/virus further complicates things the healing picture.

Lots of people have had tremendous success with antivirals - I hope your child

will be one of those that respond immediately. Are you going to try

prescription or natural source antivirals?

Thanks again for your kind words We have tried homeopathy in the past

(homotoxicology) and I am still using this approach for my 2 younger autistic

kids with some success. My eldest was WAY too sensitive for the remedies of

this method, so I am considering classical homeopathy... using one of the big

(expensive) names - with close monitoring hopefully.

Kim

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to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune

problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and

child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are

describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and

you need to buy some time.

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Kim,

When you say classical homeopathy, do you mean sequential homeopathy? If so, I

have heard that Rudi Verspoor is very good. I know a mom who is treating her

whole family with him, including her ASD son, and has been very happy with him.

I will be using Acyclovir, I think. But I just found out my daughter's liver

enzymes are elevated from the antifungal (Lamisol) ....so...time to switch

antifungals first..... Wanted to wait for my next DAN apt next week before

starting w/antiviral.

I did not know until reading this last post by you that you have three children

with autism.

May God give you the strength you need on this journey.

All best wishes,

Sara

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to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune

problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and

child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are

describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and

you need to buy some time.

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where is rudi verspoor? and can he do it by phone?

susan

> Kim,

> When you say classical homeopathy, do you mean sequential homeopathy? If so,

I have heard that Rudi Verspoor is very good. I know a mom who is treating her

whole family with him, including her ASD son, and has been very happy with him.

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> I will be using Acyclovir, I think. But I just found out my daughter's liver

enzymes are elevated from the antifungal (Lamisol) ....so...time to switch

antifungals first..... Wanted to wait for my next DAN apt next week before

starting w/antiviral.

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> I did not know until reading this last post by you that you have three

children with autism.

> May God give you the strength you need on this journey.

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> All best wishes,

> Sara

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consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems

as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child

who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It

will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy

some time.

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Yes Sara my heart goes out to Kim also.FranselSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:28:36 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Aggression - Valerian and 5HYP Kim,When you say classical homeopathy, do you mean sequential homeopathy? If so, I have heard that Rudi Verspoor is very good. I know a mom who is treating her whole family with him, including her ASD son, and has been very happy with him. I will be using Acyclovir, I think. But I just found out my daughter's liver enzymes are elevated from the antifungal (Lamisol) ....so...time to switch antifungals first..... Wanted to wait for my next DAN apt next week before starting w/antiviral.I did not know until reading this last post by you that you have three children with autism.May God give you the strength you need on this journey.All best wishes,Sara> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim> > > > > > > > I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some time.> > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > > Sara> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Thanks again Fransel and Sara Your words of kindness are touching. Yes,

your personal strength is certainly tested in situations like these...

Actually classical homeopathy is different from sequential. Classical involves

treating symptoms as they present, and sequential is sort of " undoing " damage

from present working back to birth (i.e every sickness, every vaccine etc).

Yes, I've heard Vespoor is good and I will certainly keep him in mind when I

gather up more strength for another " fight " .

Yes, i think acyclovir is another name for valtrex - some people do have great

success. And yes, we had to wait for elevated liver enzymes to come down prior

to trying as well.

Best of luck to us all!!!

Kim

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problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and

child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are

describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and

you need to buy some time.

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Hi ;

Rudi Verspoor is up here in Canada. Yes, I believe he does phone consults.

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consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems

as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child

who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It

will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy

some time.

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Girls,Just One word to clarify on the difference between valtrex and acyclovir:Valtrex (active substance valacyclovir) is not the same as acyclovir (active substance is acyclovir), difference means: valacyclovir contains the aminoacid VALINE which seems to be crucial in weakening the viral wall. Acyclovir inhibits replication while Valine weakens the virus, so it is stronger than acyclovir alone. If you go for antivirals, this is what l have done with a child l help: (unfortunately not mine, we didnt get that far) start w acyclovir for 2 weeks, 5ml/for every 25pounds weight, 3 x day. I had him Stay like this 2 weeks, then moved him to Valacyclovir, 250 mgs starting w dinner, 3 weeks later 250 mgs breakfast and dinner. This has worked well w this particular kid, but again, every child is different, so have your child evaluated before starting any treatment. I am just informing on what l have seen w this child, hope to do this w mine in a near future. Valacyclovir addresses herpes virus and related viruses, l have also heard it might help w intracellular parasites. This recommendations l started on this child are similar to Dr K. Sewarts protocol (www.neurosensorycenterofamerica). BlessingsIsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:14:46 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Aggression - Valerian and 5HYP Thanks again Fransel and Sara Your words of kindness are touching. Yes, your personal strength is certainly tested in situations like these... Actually classical homeopathy is different from sequential. Classical involves treating symptoms as they present, and sequential is sort of " undoing " damage from present working back to birth (i.e every sickness, every vaccine etc). Yes, I've heard Vespoor is good and I will certainly keep him in mind when I gather up more strength for another " fight " . Yes, i think acyclovir is another name for valtrex - some people do have great success. And yes, we had to wait for elevated liver enzymes to come down prior to trying as well. Best of luck to us all!!!Kim > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim> > > > > > > > > I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy some time.> > > > > > > > > Best wishes> > > > > > > > > Sara> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Do you know if you can give the valine along with the acyclovir to accomplish

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have to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune

problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and

child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are

describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and

you need to buy some time.

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yes, he does it all by phone. He has a book called Autism: The Journey Back.

He also has a website you could check out. www.homeopathy.com

Best wishes,

Sara

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> >>>>>>>>> I know some people will hate me for saying this but you may have to

consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune problems

as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and child

who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are describing. It

will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and you need to buy

some time.

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Kim

Thanks for explaining the difference in homeopathies.

I guess the two antivirals are different, but my doc says Valtrex breaks down

into acyclovir in the body (I think that's what he said...) so I believe they

are similar but don't know how.

All the best. Keep us posted on things

Sara

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have to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her immune

problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your family and

child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are

describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health and

you need to buy some time.

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Thanks, Isa.

The dosing is perplexing, because it seems to vary amongst docs (for

antivirals). I just read Dr. Goldberg's book, The Myth of Autism. For

acyclovir he recommends 20 mg/kg 4x/day. It is a LOT by comparison to what some

DAN's prescribe....I guess it's time to start researching again.....Apparently

it can be tricky because if the dosing is not enough the virus can mutate and

you can make things worse.

Sara

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Hi Kim,

My daughter also did horribly on homotoxicology about a year ago. We just started up again and she is doing very well on it(knock wood, not many things have helped her). this time we are getting unda products. I don't know if that is a new protocol or just what tesed well for my daughter. Maybe it will be something you can come back to and it will help. Good luck.

Re: Aggression - Valerian and 5HYP

Hi Sara;

So glad to hear your daughter is much better from treating Pandas Yes, our kids systems are so messed up that they can't handle any assault - every exposure whether it be in utero, by vaccine or due to everyday personal exposure to bacteria/virus further complicates things the healing picture.

Lots of people have had tremendous success with antivirals - I hope your child will be one of those that respond immediately. Are you going to try prescription or natural source antivirals?

Thanks again for your kind words We have tried homeopathy in the past (homotoxicology) and I am still using this approach for my 2 younger autistic kids with some success. My eldest was WAY too sensitive for the remedies of this method, so I am considering classical homeopathy... using one of the big (expensive) names - with close monitoring hopefully.

Kim

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Wow - thanks for the detailed post Isa! What kind of effects did the meds have

on the child during, and what improvements were noted after?

Kim

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child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you are

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!!! Thanks for this information too Sara.

Kim

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may have to consider a stronger med until you can get to the bottom of her

immune problems as a stopgap measure so you can reduce the suffering of your

family and child who are in crisis. Trust me I have been there with what you

are describing. It will take time to restore her immune and behavioral health

and you need to buy some time.

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