Re: Raw butter/Cholesterol - ER Hold

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Hi Ladies;

I presently drink raw cow's milk, and 2 of my 3 kids are ok with the raw cow's

milk. My eldest however, has no dairy at all (except for ghee). I have always

wanted to give her raw butter but I was hesitant because we have had allergy

testing confirming cow milk allergies. Allergist stressed not to give ANY

milk/milk products, raw or pasteurized but clarified butter is ok.

I tend to agree that pasteurization is what is causing the issue for our kids

but I am still holding back on cow based raw butter for my eldest. I would LOVE

to have her eat and tolerate raw milk. I have read " The Untold Story of Milk "

by Ron Schmid and I know he says kids with cow milk allergies do fine on raw cow

butter...

Do both of you (Olga and Eva) use only raw goat's milk products? Does raw

goat's milk have the same healing qualities as raw cow's milk (sorry for

ignorant question )?

Thanks!

Kim

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[Guest guest]

Kim,

My son tolerates very well raw goat milk and butter, but not as well the raw

cow's milk. I think this is because the goat milk is much easier to digest. If

you want to minimize the casein in the milk as much as possible I would

recommend to ferment the milk (make raw goat kefir) because fermentation reduces

the casein in the milk greatly (I read a study that making kefir reduces the

casein in the milk to under 1%).

Hope this helps,

Krassi

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> I presently drink raw cow's milk, and 2 of my 3 kids are ok with the raw cow's

milk. My eldest however, has no dairy at all (except for ghee). I have always

wanted to give her raw butter but I was hesitant because we have had allergy

testing confirming cow milk allergies. Allergist stressed not to give ANY

milk/milk products, raw or pasteurized but clarified butter is ok.

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> I tend to agree that pasteurization is what is causing the issue for our kids

but I am still holding back on cow based raw butter for my eldest. I would LOVE

to have her eat and tolerate raw milk. I have read " The Untold Story of Milk "

by Ron Schmid and I know he says kids with cow milk allergies do fine on raw cow

butter...

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> Do both of you (Olga and Eva) use only raw goat's milk products? Does raw

goat's milk have the same healing qualities as raw cow's milk (sorry for

ignorant question )?

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> Thanks!

> Kim

[Guest guest]

not sure how that would be possible, fermentation would eat up sugars but not protiens. I would research that one a bit more.

From: Krassi

Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:17 AM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Raw butter/Cholesterol - ER Hold

Kim,My son tolerates very well raw goat milk and butter, but not as well the raw cow's milk. I think this is because the goat milk is much easier to digest. If you want to minimize the casein in the milk as much as possible I would recommend to ferment the milk (make raw goat kefir) because fermentation reduces the casein in the milk greatly (I read a study that making kefir reduces the casein in the milk to under 1%).Hope this helps,Krassi>> Hi Ladies;> > I presently drink raw cow's milk, and 2 of my 3 kids are ok with the raw cow's milk. My eldest however, has no dairy at all (except for ghee). I have always wanted to give her raw butter but I was hesitant because we have had allergy testing confirming cow milk allergies. Allergist stressed not to give ANY milk/milk products, raw or pasteurized but clarified butter is ok. > > I tend to agree that pasteurization is what is causing the issue for our kids but I am still holding back on cow based raw butter for my eldest. I would LOVE to have her eat and tolerate raw milk. I have read "The Untold Story of Milk" by Ron Schmid and I know he says kids with cow milk allergies do fine on raw cow butter...> > Do both of you (Olga and Eva) use only raw goat's milk products? Does raw goat's milk have the same healing qualities as raw cow's milk (sorry for ignorant question )? > > Thanks!> Kim

[Guest guest]

Fermentation pre-digests food and breaks down proteins making them easier to

digest. Also eating a fermented food with protein makes the protein easier to

digest. It has been well studied so you should be able to find a lot of

research on it.

I never heard that the casein is reduced in the kefir process but I do know it

is broken down and much easier to digest. It does make sense that as it is

digested by the good bacteria, it no longer looks or tests as true 'casein'.

Very interesting!

Blessings,

Eva

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> > Hi Ladies;

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> > I presently drink raw cow's milk, and 2 of my 3 kids are ok with the raw

cow's milk. My eldest however, has no dairy at all (except for ghee). I have

always wanted to give her raw butter but I was hesitant because we have had

allergy testing confirming cow milk allergies. Allergist stressed not to give

ANY milk/milk products, raw or pasteurized but clarified butter is ok.

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> > I tend to agree that pasteurization is what is causing the issue for our

kids but I am still holding back on cow based raw butter for my eldest. I would

LOVE to have her eat and tolerate raw milk. I have read " The Untold Story of

Milk " by Ron Schmid and I know he says kids with cow milk allergies do fine on

raw cow butter...

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> > Do both of you (Olga and Eva) use only raw goat's milk products? Does raw

goat's milk have the same healing qualities as raw cow's milk (sorry for

ignorant question )?

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> > Thanks!

> > Kim

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[Guest guest]

Kim,

Goat milk tend to be easier to digest then cow milk in general. Many believe

that goat milk is more healing but I am sure others disagree. I think it has to

do with what the animals are fed, their living conditions, etc.

As for the allergy thing, my daughter who is now 20, was allergic to casein

since an infant. We have lived in several states and have seen several

different allergists. Some have said stay away from all dairy and never

mentioned goat to us. Others have said she may be able to tolerate goat cheese.

Blah, blah. We did buy goat cheese for her about 12 years back when we lived in

the Dallas area and she did fine with it.

In the past several years we have learned about raw dairy. We have used both

raw cow milk and raw goat milk and their products without any reactions from my

two allergic kids and my son with ASD. We started very slow though.

Currently, we mostly use raw organic goat milk that we get from our own herd.

On occasion, we purchase raw cow butter or cheese. The kids do fine with both

but like the goat milk best.

FYI: good goat milk tastes very much like regular cow milk. If your goat milk

tastes musky or odd, it is due to cleanliness, how the animals are cared for or

the age of it. We hate store bought goat milk, nasty. Fresh clean goat milk is

a much different experience.

Blessings,

Eva

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to receiving them. I hope they are also GFCF.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the reply Eva!

Was it your daughter who had the anaphylactic type allergy to casein that you

started on goat cheese 12 years ago?

That's fantastic you have your own herd of goats and have your own supply of raw

milk.

And yes, we have tried goat milk in the past that had a musky/goat-y taste...

good to know good quality raw goats milk tastes similar to raw cow's milk.

Kim

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[Guest guest]

Kim,

My daughter was not truly anaphylactic... she had severe gi symptoms from casein

(even when she was being nursed and I drank milk)... only later on when she was

8ish did she start to develop some swelling of the lips and tongue and severe

hives, but it was from other foods, not dairy as she was already dairy free at

that time. My son, the third child was the one who was anaphylactic.

Blessings,

Eva

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