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Every health practitioner has their own style. Usually, Bartonella is killed

either before or simultaneously with Lyme. I found that taking several things

that support the body from different angles helps. You want the digestion

flowing smoothly, the liver supported, many nutrients supplemented because the

body needs many things to work correctly. Any disruption can cause significant

problems. Then, you want to help mop up toxins as well. So, it's a lot. Since

we didn't use a lot of antibiotics, I am not familiar with what to do for

die-off from antibiotics, but have heard it can be harsh. I heard one popular

lyme nurse practitioner say she uses cod liver oil. For us, we use Modifilan,

Goji, homeopathic things, Mellatonin, turmeric, and Mitochondrial Restore. We

have used more things as well. See the files section for binders and stuff for

more ideas. I hope your doc has some ideas. I know a lot of LLMD's say to just

" push through " but that is referring mostly to adults. I don't think it's a

good idea to take that attitude with children with autism. They are pretty

fragile already.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> Heidi and Listmates,

> What do you use for die-offs? We will be starting ABX on Tuesday for lyme. Can

lyme be treated simultaneously with Bartonella?

> Fransel

>

> Re: Omnicef switch to Cat's

Claw

>

> Yes, Cat's Claw will do the simultaneous regression/progress situation,

> but it can cause really bad die-off, usually day 4. Have a die-off plan

> on hand. I generally keep the dose low for the first 5 days if the

> die-off is expected to be bad or delayed, plus I have several things on

> hand to use for it. These kids can get really scared if it causes then

> anxiety. Adults typically seem to get exhaustion.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> My child is having a big improvement in eye contact the past few days,

> but he's actually way worse when it comes to responding to his name or

> getting his attention in any way, unless it was his idea. I'm hoping

> this is one of those simultaneous regression/progress

> ion things. We quit our omnicef and started cat's claw today, so I'm

> crossing my fingers...

>

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Thanks Heidi,Just reading this now on my way to see new lyme doctor. I gave up on the old one - too slow and son crashing.God bless.Fransel From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of faithiseverythingSent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 1:01 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Die Off treatments Every health practitioner has their own style. Usually, Bartonella is killed either before or simultaneously with Lyme. I found that taking several things that support the body from different angles helps. You want the digestion flowing smoothly, the liver supported, many nutrients supplemented because the body needs many things to work correctly. Any disruption can cause significant problems. Then, you want to help mop up toxins as well. So, it's a lot. Since we didn't use a lot of antibiotics, I am not familiar with what to do for die-off from antibiotics, but have heard it can be harsh. I heard one popular lyme nurse practitioner say she uses cod liver oil. For us, we use Modifilan, Goji, homeopathic things, Mellatonin, turmeric, and Mitochondrial Restore. We have used more things as well. See the files section for binders and stuff for more ideas. I hope your doc has some ideas. I know a lot of LLMD's say to just " push through " but that is referring mostly to adults. I don't think it's a good idea to take that attitude with children with autism. They are pretty fragile already.Love and prayers,Heidi N>> Heidi and Listmates, > What do you use for die-offs? We will be starting ABX on Tuesday for lyme. Can lyme be treated simultaneously with Bartonella?> Fransel> > Re: Omnicef switch to Cat's Claw> > Yes, Cat's Claw will do the simultaneous regression/progress situation, > but it can cause really bad die-off, usually day 4. Have a die-off plan > on hand. I generally keep the dose low for the first 5 days if the > die-off is expected to be bad or delayed, plus I have several things on > hand to use for it. These kids can get really scared if it causes then > anxiety. Adults typically seem to get exhaustion.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > My child is having a big improvement in eye contact the past few days, > but he's actually way worse when it comes to responding to his name or > getting his attention in any way, unless it was his idea. I'm hoping > this is one of those simultaneous regression/progress> ion things. We quit our omnicef and started cat's claw today, so I'm > crossing my fingers...>

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