Re: A Psychologist and a Monk: Steve and the Venerable Lobsang Nyingpo

> southeast Arizona.

> He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies

>

Institute<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw\

ww.yogastudiesinstitute.org%2Fstaff.html>.

>

> My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some

> thoughts from this

> wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.

>

> The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from

> the audience.

>

> Anyway I thought it might be of some use.

>

> These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly

> (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of

> minutes.

>

>

> They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still

> learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back

> to these links to do the next.

>

> Feel free to forward or whatever

>

> - S

>

> C.

> Foundation Professor

> Department of Psychology /298

> University of Nevada

> Reno, NV 89557-0062

>

> " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

>

> hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

> Fax:

> Psych Department:

> Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)

> 746-2013

>

> Blogs:

> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

>

> If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page

> or my blog at the ACBS site:

> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

>

> or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

>

> If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),

> please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for

> Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have

> to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own

> values.

>

> If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide

> ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

>

> or

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join

>

> If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get

> Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the

> conversation go to:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

>

October 10, 2011

Really enjoyed watching them. Any more?

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:40 AMSubject: Re: A Psychologist and a Monk: Steve and the Venerable Lobsang Nyingpo

Brilliant, great to hear you explain the concepts in person, thanks immensely for this. >> Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monk> at a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various> topics.> The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan> Language Hypertext Project and> teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist> Philosophy at Diamond Mountain> University<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diamondmtn.org%2F>in> southeast Arizona.> He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies> Institute<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yogastudiesinstitute.org%2Fstaff.html>.> > > My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some> thoughts from this> wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.> > The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from> the audience.> > Anyway I thought it might be of some use.> > These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts

slowly> (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of> minutes.> > Video 1: http://youtu.be/MG1JDOVHYSk> Video 2: http://youtu.be/1WDaP8IzUEA> Video 3: http://youtu.be/aFc-rci0Sow> Video 4: http://youtu.be/pS8WnOPST3Y> > They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still> learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back> to these links to do the next.> > Feel free to forward or whatever> > - S> > C. > Foundation Professor> Department of Psychology /298> University of Nevada> Reno, NV 89557-0062> > "Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"> > hayes@... or stevenchayes@...> Fax: > Psych Department: > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if

need be): (775)> 746-2013> > Blogs:> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd> > If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page> or my blog at the ACBS site:> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes> > or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com> > If you have any questions about

ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),> please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for> Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have> to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own> values.> > If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide> ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join> > or> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join> > If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get> Out of Your Mind

and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of the> conversation go to:> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join>

Reno, NV 89557-0062> > "Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"> > hayes@... or stevenchayes@...> Fax: > Psych Department: > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)> 746-2013> > Blogs:> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd> > If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page> or my blog at the ACBS site:> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes> > or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com> > If you have any questions about ACT

or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),> please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for> Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have> to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own> values.> > If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide> ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join> > or> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join> > If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get> Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of the> conversation go to:>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join>

October 10, 2011

Human mind fascinates me. Thanks, Steve.D> >> Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monk

> at a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various topics.> The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan Language Hypertext Project and> teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist Philosophy at Diamond Mountain University in southeast Arizona.

> He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies Institute.>> My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some thoughts from this> wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.

>> The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from the audience.>> Anyway I thought it might be of some use.>> These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly

> (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of minutes.>> > Video 1: http://youtu.be/MG1JDOVHYSk> Video 2: http://youtu.be/1WDaP8IzUEA

> Video 3: http://youtu.be/aFc-rci0Sow> Video 4: http://youtu.be/pS8WnOPST3Y> They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still

> learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back> to these links to do the next.>> Feel free to forward or whatever>> - S>> C. > Foundation Professor

> Department of Psychology /298> University of Nevada> Reno, NV 89557-0062>> " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " >> hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

> Fax: > Psych Department: > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): >> Blogs:> Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd>> If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page or my blog at the ACBS site:

> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

>> or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com>> If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own values.

>> If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

>> or>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join>> If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

>>>> >> -- Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-TRochester, NY, UShttp://darrellking.com

DarrellGKing@...

October 10, 2011

Good talk. Thank you for that, .

>

> Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monk

> at a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various

> topics.

> The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan

> Language Hypertext Project and

> teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist

> Philosophy at Diamond Mountain

>

University<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2F\

> southeast Arizona.

> He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies

>

Institute<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw\

ww.yogastudiesinstitute.org%2Fstaff.html>.

>

> My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some

> thoughts from this

> wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.

>

> The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from

> the audience.

>

> Anyway I thought it might be of some use.

>

> These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly

> (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of

> minutes.

>

>

> They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still

> learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back

> to these links to do the next.

>

> Feel free to forward or whatever

>

> - S

>

> C.

> Foundation Professor

> Department of Psychology /298

> University of Nevada

> Reno, NV 89557-0062

>

> " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

>

> hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

> Fax:

> Psych Department:

> Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)

> 746-2013

>

> Blogs:

> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

>

> If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page

> or my blog at the ACBS site:

> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

>

> or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

>

> If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),

> please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for

> Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have

> to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own

> values.

>

> If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide

> ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

>

> or

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join

>

> If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get

> Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the

> conversation go to:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

>

October 10, 2011

Thanks for this generous offering! We don't need more saints! Is there a part V

Steve? The video abruptly ends when The Ven. began speaking about his take on

the heroes and saints.

FWIW, I've never found you hard to understand. Just that you say so much so

quickly that I need to pause and play again. You pack so many goodies in there!

I really liked the hand motions too, like gesturing to the heart when talking

about values, wagging the finger next to the mind when talking about the fused

list of rules, shoulds.

The Ven.'s (or should I say Buddhist?) emphasis on the need for finding cause in

order to feel better from a headache or eliminate suffering (used these

interchangeably) makes me very, very glad I came upon ACT.

>

> Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monk

> at a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various

> topics.

> The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan

> Language Hypertext Project and

> teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist

> Philosophy at Diamond Mountain

>

University<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2F\

> southeast Arizona.

> He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies

>

Institute<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw\

ww.yogastudiesinstitute.org%2Fstaff.html>.

>

> My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some

> thoughts from this

> wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.

>

> The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from

> the audience.

>

> Anyway I thought it might be of some use.

>

> These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly

> (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of

> minutes.

>

>

> They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still

> learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back

> to these links to do the next.

>

> Feel free to forward or whatever

>

> - S

>

> C.

> Foundation Professor

> Department of Psychology /298

> University of Nevada

> Reno, NV 89557-0062

>

> " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

>

> hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

> Fax:

> Psych Department:

> Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)

> 746-2013

>

> Blogs:

> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

>

> If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page

> or my blog at the ACBS site:

> http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

>

> or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

>

> If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),

> please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for

> Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have

> to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own

> values.

>

> If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide

> ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

>

> or

>

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join

>

> If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get

> Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the

> conversation go to:

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

>

October 10, 2011

Also, I want to say you modeled well with the " You both are operating from a

false premise! " guy. What a hoot! Yep, that would be me for too many hours, too

many days. Anyway, you seemed to calm everyone down some while doing it very

compassionately. And you were so inclusive of your co-host, so accepting.

I think another takeaway is remembering that I over-think ACT like I do

everything else. It's really very simple. Oh yeah, and I keep skipping what I

experience as maybe the most important step--to stay present with whatever is

there, honor it, notice what is so. What have I been doing? Skip, skip, skip.

Can't have that thought/feeling-- no! Ignore it, push it away (this part is not

really a conscious activity..if it were, I'd stop there and notice I'm not

wanting thought/feeling). Okay, so I've pushed it aside, and what's happened?

Now I still have it PLUS the bad! It's bigger than ever! And before I know it,

I'm acting on that..yikes!

Now I'm slowing down, backing up, staying in my own skin, breathing...this is my

value. Yes.

> >

> > Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monk

> > at a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various

> > topics.

> > The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan

> > Language Hypertext Project and

> > teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist

> > Philosophy at Diamond Mountain

> >

University<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2F\

> > http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes

> > southeast Arizona.

> > He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies

> >

Institute<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw\

ww.yogastudiesinstitute.org%2Fstaff.html>.

> >

> > My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some

> > thoughts from this

> > wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.

> >

> > The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from

> > the audience.

> >

> > Anyway I thought it might be of some use.

> >

> > These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly

> > (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of

> > minutes.

> >

> > Video 1: http://youtu.be/MG1JDOVHYSk

> > Video 2: http://youtu.be/1WDaP8IzUEA

> > Video 3: http://youtu.be/aFc-rci0Sow

> > Video 4: http://youtu.be/pS8WnOPST3Y

> >

> > They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still

> > learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back

> > to these links to do the next.

> >

> > Feel free to forward or whatever

> >

> > - S

> >

> > C.

> > Foundation Professor

> > Department of Psychology /298

> > University of Nevada

> > Reno, NV 89557-0062

> >

> > " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

> >

> > hayes@ or stevenchayes@

> > Fax:

> > Psych Department:

> > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)

> > 746-2013

> >

> > Blogs:

> > *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> > *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

> >

> > If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page

> > or my blog at the ACBS site:

> > http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

> >

> > or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

> >

> > If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc),

> > please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for

> > Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have

> > to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own

> > values.

> >

> > If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide

> > ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

> >

> > or

> >

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join

> >

> > If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get

> > Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the

> > conversation go to:

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

> >

>

October 10, 2011

well I guess the " can't have that thought/feeling " might technically be

conscious but certainly not paying attention, haven't been willing enough to

just notice that. Been doing a heck a lot of editing. It's a lot of work.

> > >

> > > Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monk

> > > at a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various

> > > topics.

> > > The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan

> > > Language Hypertext Project and

> > > teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist

> > > Philosophy at Diamond Mountain

> > >

University<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2F\

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

> > > southeast Arizona.

> > > He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies

> > >

Institute<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw\

ww.yogastudiesinstitute.org%2Fstaff.html>.

> > >

> > > My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some

> > > thoughts from this

> > > wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.

> > >

> > > The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from

> > > the audience.

> > >

> > > Anyway I thought it might be of some use.

> > >

> > > These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly

> > > (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple

of

> > > minutes.

> > >

> > > Video 1: http://youtu.be/MG1JDOVHYSk

> > > Video 2: http://youtu.be/1WDaP8IzUEA

> > > Video 3: http://youtu.be/aFc-rci0Sow

> > > Video 4: http://youtu.be/pS8WnOPST3Y

> > >

> > > They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still

> > > learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back

> > > to these links to do the next.

> > >

> > > Feel free to forward or whatever

> > >

> > > - S

> > >

> > > C.

> > > Foundation Professor

> > > Department of Psychology /298

> > > University of Nevada

> > > Reno, NV 89557-0062

> > >

> > > " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

> > >

> > > hayes@ or stevenchayes@

> > > Fax:

> > > Psych Department:

> > > Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)

> > > 746-2013

> > >

> > > Blogs:

> > > *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> > > *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

> > >

> > > If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page

> > > or my blog at the ACBS site:

> > > http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes

> > > http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes

> > >

> > > or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

> > >

> > > If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information

etc),

> > > please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for

> > > Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You

have

> > > to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own

> > > values.

> > >

> > > If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide

> > > ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to

> > >

> > > or

> > >

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/join

> > >

> > > If you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get

> > > Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the

> > > conversation go to:

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

> > >

> >

>

October 11, 2011

Hi,

I have watched the first video and have found it very informative and useful. I am exploring my Christian faith (again!) in light of a few years of going down the Buddhist route. I am doing The Alpha Course with my local church - which takes you through the steps of Christianity - which is essentially about a real relationship- that of yourself and God in Jesus.

I am having trouble fitting this all together with ACT and was wondering if anyone has trod this path and has any ideas?

Simone

To: ACT Listserve <acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy >; act_for_the_public <ACT_for_the_Public >; Scholarly discussion and dissemination of mindfulness and acceptance Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2011, 22:38Subject: A Psychologist and a Monk: Steve and the Venerable Lobsang Nyingpo

Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monkat a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various topics. The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan Language Hypertext Project and teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist Philosophy at Diamond Mountain University in southeast Arizona.He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies Institute. My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some thoughts from thiswing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism. The format was very free

wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from the audience. Anyway I thought it might be of some use.These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of minutes.

Video 1: http://youtu.be/MG1JDOVHYSk

Video 2: http://youtu.be/1WDaP8IzUEA

Video 3: http://youtu.be/aFc-rci0Sow

Video 4: http://youtu.be/pS8WnOPST3YThey are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are stilllearning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come backto these links to do the next. Feel free to forward or whatever- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page or my blog at the ACBS site: http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.comIf you

have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own values. If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/joinorhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your

Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of the conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

October 11, 2011

I read a couple of books that address the comparisons between Christianity and Buddhism:http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Teachings-Jesus--Leong/dp/0824518837

http://milo-books.com/reviews/nonfiction/philosophy_and_religion/the_zen_of_jesus.htmlI liked them because I feel the core lessons for human beings should be evident across differing traditions, as with The Golden Rule. Of course, there are other aspects of each which we could paint as conflicting with the other, but my point was to put attention on the parts acceptable to both rather than the potential for exclusion. The goal would be to distill the compatible lessons learned.

I have found no conflict between Christianity and mindfulness, commitment, or acceptance. Have you? Mindfulness during prayer, acceptance of divine service, commitment to the resulting values - it all seems like a natural fit!

D

Hi,

I have watched the first video and have found it very informative and useful. I am exploring my Christian faith (again!) in light of a few years of going down the Buddhist route. I am doing The Alpha Course with my local church - which takes you through the steps of Christianity - which is essentially about a real relationship- that of yourself and God in Jesus.

I am having trouble fitting this all together with ACT and was wondering if anyone has trod this path and has any ideas?

Simone

To: ACT Listserve <acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy >; act_for_the_public <ACT_for_the_Public >; Scholarly discussion and dissemination of mindfulness and acceptance

Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2011, 22:38Subject: A Psychologist and a Monk: Steve and the Venerable Lobsang Nyingpo

Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monkat a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various topics. The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan Language Hypertext Project and

teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist Philosophy at Diamond Mountain University in southeast Arizona.

He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies Institute.

My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some thoughts from thiswing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism. The format was very free

wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from the audience. Anyway I thought it might be of some use.These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of minutes.

Video 1: http://youtu.be/MG1JDOVHYSk

Video 2: http://youtu.be/1WDaP8IzUEA

Video 3: http://youtu.be/aFc-rci0Sow

Video 4: http://youtu.be/pS8WnOPST3YThey are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are stilllearning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back

to these links to do the next. Feel free to forward or whatever- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062

" Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page or my blog at the ACBS site: http://www.contextualpsychology.org/steven_hayes

http://www.contextualpsychology.org/blog/steven_hayes or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you

have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost if up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions go to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

orhttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your

Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of the conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

October 11, 2011

In watching the videos, I found myself thinking more about the gaps in

the presentation than about anything else. Of there there is nothing

wrong about such gaps occuring - in a Q & A setting like this, it's

unavoidable. But still it was interesting to see where my thoughts

about these gaps led me.

In particular, I found myself thinking that if I were new to ACT, I

would have some skepticism about the argument that by itself, human

language almost axiomatically ensures the development of empathy &

compassion.

The " pro " side of the argument seems easy to grasp. Even without

having done any such experiments myself, I am willing to trust that

work in the lab shows that children with autism can be taught " I/you "

verbal relations that previously they lacked. And I am fully willing

to believe that learning such verbal relations can help these children

develop a richer repertoire of social experiences & social behaviors -

including empathy for others, etc.

Yet on the " con " side, I have two points of confusion & possible

objection. I'll call these Quibble A and Quibble B. Quibble A is

theoretical & perhaps even trivial, but Quibble B seems to me to be

important in understanding ACT.

Let me get Quibble A out of the way first. Basically, my quibble here

is that I am not willing to define all possible behaviors that might

be labelled " empathy and compassion " in such a way that it is only

" I/you " verbal relating that makes these behaviors possible. To the

contrary, I would argue that many social species of animals (wolves,

pigs, dogs, chimps, elephants, and apparently even mice) demonstrate

behaviors that look an awful lot to us like the beginnings of empathy

and possibly even compassion. There seems to be sufficient non-RFT

research on this score for me as a layperson to trust that it it is

not all anthropomorphic fantasy on the part of gullible pet-owners,

etc.

In other words, yes, the human ability to speculate about the

consciousness of other members of our species far exceeds such ability

in any other animal species we can name - but such verbal behavior,

like many other kinds of verbal behavior, seems to be scaffolding

built upon existing non-verbal abilities shared by both humans and

animals. And yet at the same time, it is interesting that this

" scaffolding " of verbal relations seems to be quite necessary for

human children to demonstrate what we consider empathy, vs. whatever

empathetic behaviors we may believe we see in dogs, chimps, etc.

Obviously we are different in this regard.

And now for Quibble B, which I think really does matter, if only

because it helps point to where the problem lies with what we learn

about language in the course of normal human socialization, vs. what

we might wish to learn about language to address problems such as

suffering - both our own suffering, & the suffering of others.

Put simply, if I were watching this video & knew nothing else about

ACT, I think I might be skeptical of the suggestion by Steve that

" I/you " verbal relating is really the foundation of empathy &

compassion in humans. I think I would grasp that empathy is not

possible without a recognition that " you are like me in that you look

out from your eyes the way I look out from mine, etc. " Here we are

back with what children must learn before their behavior can include

what we call empathy. Where my skepticism would arise is with the

suggestion that this natural property of fully developed language

automatically leads to our being able to overcome contention &

division & see other persons & groups as being " like me/us. " Indeed,

the evidence would seem all to the contrary - that we can have this

basic " I/you " relating skill, and yet somehow demonstrate a lack of

compassion, empathy, etc. toward other persons & groups. As

language-using beings, we seem better much of the time at stereotyping

& disconnection than we do at empathy & connection.

Now, Steve did seem to say in his remarks that it is not so simple as

" I have I/you verbal relations, therefore everything is groovy. " At

one point he said something to the effect that getting outside of a

problem-solving, evaluative frame of mind is quite difficult &

requires the acquisition of specific skills. So I think if he had had

a little more time in the presentation, he would have elaborated on

the gap here between a basic verbal ability & the more elaborate

skills that seem needed to leverage " self as context " or what have you

into " you really ARE like me, aren't you? " at a more elaborate level.

These thoughts on my part are not meant as criticisms, only

observations on the part of someone who is learning very slowly about

ACT and RFT beyond the boilerplate statements in the books and beyond

my own limited experience. Quibble B is especially difficult for me to

make clear to myself or to other people in a compact and persuasive

way. It seems very near the heart of the struggle with language.

- Randy

October 11, 2011

Randy, you said 'Where my skepticism would arise is with the suggestion that this natural property of fully developed language automatically leads to our being able to overcome contention & division & see other persons & groups as being "like me/us."'

Would it not be more accurate to say that "this natural property of fully developed language is necessary to lead to our being able to overcome contention..." rather than "automatically leads to our being able..." That would take care of your skepticism with this statement, would it not?

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:44:43 AMSubject: Re: A Psychologist and a Monk: Steve and the Venerable Lobsang Nyingpo

In watching the videos, I found myself thinking more about the gaps inthe presentation than about anything else. Of there there is nothingwrong about such gaps occuring - in a Q & A setting like this, it'sunavoidable. But still it was interesting to see where my thoughtsabout these gaps led me.In particular, I found myself thinking that if I were new to ACT, Iwould have some skepticism about the argument that by itself, humanlanguage almost axiomatically ensures the development of empathy & compassion.The "pro" side of the argument seems easy to grasp. Even withouthaving done any such experiments myself, I am willing to trust thatwork in the lab shows that children with autism can be taught "I/you"verbal relations that previously they lacked. And I am fully willingto believe that learning such verbal relations can help these childrendevelop a richer repertoire of social experiences & social behaviors -including empathy for others, etc.Yet on the "con" side, I have two points of confusion & possibleobjection. I'll call these Quibble A and Quibble B. Quibble A istheoretical & perhaps even trivial, but Quibble B seems to me to beimportant in understanding ACT.Let me get Quibble A out of the way first. Basically, my quibble hereis that I am not willing to define all possible behaviors that mightbe labelled "empathy and compassion" in such a way that it is only"I/you" verbal relating that makes these behaviors possible. To thecontrary, I would argue that many social species of animals (wolves,pigs, dogs, chimps, elephants, and apparently even mice) demonstratebehaviors that look an awful lot to us like the beginnings of empathyand possibly even compassion. There seems to be sufficient non-RFTresearch on this score for me as a layperson to trust that it it isnot all anthropomorphic fantasy on the part of gullible pet-owners,etc.In other words, yes, the human ability to speculate about theconsciousness of other members of our species far exceeds such abilityin any other animal species we can name - but such verbal behavior,like many other kinds of verbal behavior, seems to be scaffoldingbuilt upon existing non-verbal abilities shared by both humans andanimals. And yet at the same time, it is interesting that this"scaffolding" of verbal relations seems to be quite necessary forhuman children to demonstrate what we consider empathy, vs. whateverempathetic behaviors we may believe we see in dogs, chimps, etc.Obviously we are different in this regard.And now for Quibble B, which I think really does matter, if onlybecause it helps point to where the problem lies with what we learnabout language in the course of normal human socialization, vs. whatwe might wish to learn about language to address problems such assuffering - both our own suffering, & the suffering of others.Put simply, if I were watching this video & knew nothing else aboutACT, I think I might be skeptical of the suggestion by Steve that"I/you" verbal relating is really the foundation of empathy & compassion in humans. I think I would grasp that empathy is notpossible without a recognition that "you are like me in that you lookout from your eyes the way I look out from mine, etc." Here we areback with what children must learn before their behavior can includewhat we call empathy. Where my skepticism would arise is with thesuggestion that this natural property of fully developed languageautomatically leads to our being able to overcome contention & division & see other persons & groups as being "like me/us." Indeed,the evidence would seem all to the contrary - that we can have thisbasic "I/you" relating skill, and yet somehow demonstrate a lack ofcompassion, empathy, etc. toward other persons & groups. Aslanguage-using beings, we seem better much of the time at stereotyping & disconnection than we do at empathy & connection. Now, Steve did seem to say in his remarks that it is not so simple as"I have I/you verbal relations, therefore everything is groovy." Atone point he said something to the effect that getting outside of aproblem-solving, evaluative frame of mind is quite difficult & requires the acquisition of specific skills. So I think if he had hada little more time in the presentation, he would have elaborated onthe gap here between a basic verbal ability & the more elaborateskills that seem needed to leverage "self as context" or what have youinto "you really ARE like me, aren't you?" at a more elaborate level.These thoughts on my part are not meant as criticisms, onlyobservations on the part of someone who is learning very slowly aboutACT and RFT beyond the boilerplate statements in the books and beyondmy own limited experience. Quibble B is especially difficult for me tomake clear to myself or to other people in a compact and persuasiveway. It seems very near the heart of the struggle with language.- Randy

October 11, 2011

I meant to say necessary but not sufficient.

Helena

om: "hbbr" To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:12:13 AMSubject: Re: Re: A Psychologist and a Monk: Steve and the Venerable Lobsang Nyingpo

Randy, you said 'Where my skepticism would arise is with the suggestion that this natural property of fully developed language automatically leads to our being able to overcome contention & division & see other persons & groups as being "like me/us."'

Would it not be more accurate to say that "this natural property of fully developed language is necessary to lead to our being able to overcome contention..." rather than "automatically leads to our being able..." That would take care of your skepticism with this statement, would it not?

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:44:43 AMSubject: Re: A Psychologist and a Monk: Steve and the Venerable Lobsang Nyingpo

In watching the videos, I found myself thinking more about the gaps inthe presentation than about anything else. Of there there is nothingwrong about such gaps occuring - in a Q & A setting like this, it'sunavoidable. But still it was interesting to see where my thoughtsabout these gaps led me.In particular, I found myself thinking that if I were new to ACT, Iwould have some skepticism about the argument that by itself, humanlanguage almost axiomatically ensures the development of empathy & compassion.The "pro" side of the argument seems easy to grasp. Even withouthaving done any such experiments myself, I am willing to trust thatwork in the lab shows that children with autism can be taught "I/you"verbal relations that previously they lacked. And I am fully willingto believe that learning such verbal relations can help these childrendevelop a richer repertoire of social experiences & social behaviors -including empathy for others, etc.Yet on the "con" side, I have two points of confusion & possibleobjection. I'll call these Quibble A and Quibble B. Quibble A istheoretical & perhaps even trivial, but Quibble B seems to me to beimportant in understanding ACT.Let me get Quibble A out of the way first. Basically, my quibble hereis that I am not willing to define all possible behaviors that mightbe labelled "empathy and compassion" in such a way that it is only"I/you" verbal relating that makes these behaviors possible. To thecontrary, I would argue that many social species of animals (wolves,pigs, dogs, chimps, elephants, and apparently even mice) demonstratebehaviors that look an awful lot to us like the beginnings of empathyand possibly even compassion. There seems to be sufficient non-RFTresearch on this score for me as a layperson to trust that it it isnot all anthropomorphic fantasy on the part of gullible pet-owners,etc.In other words, yes, the human ability to speculate about theconsciousness of other members of our species far exceeds such abilityin any other animal species we can name - but such verbal behavior,like many other kinds of verbal behavior, seems to be scaffoldingbuilt upon existing non-verbal abilities shared by both humans andanimals. And yet at the same time, it is interesting that this"scaffolding" of verbal relations seems to be quite necessary forhuman children to demonstrate what we consider empathy, vs. whateverempathetic behaviors we may believe we see in dogs, chimps, etc.Obviously we are different in this regard.And now for Quibble B, which I think really does matter, if onlybecause it helps point to where the problem lies with what we learnabout language in the course of normal human socialization, vs. whatwe might wish to learn about language to address problems such assuffering - both our own suffering, & the suffering of others.Put simply, if I were watching this video & knew nothing else aboutACT, I think I might be skeptical of the suggestion by Steve that"I/you" verbal relating is really the foundation of empathy & compassion in humans. I think I would grasp that empathy is notpossible without a recognition that "you are like me in that you lookout from your eyes the way I look out from mine, etc." Here we areback with what children must learn before their behavior can includewhat we call empathy. Where my skepticism would arise is with thesuggestion that this natural property of fully developed languageautomatically leads to our being able to overcome contention & division & see other persons & groups as being "like me/us." Indeed,the evidence would seem all to the contrary - that we can have thisbasic "I/you" relating skill, and yet somehow demonstrate a lack ofcompassion, empathy, etc. toward other persons & groups. Aslanguage-using beings, we seem better much of the time at stereotyping & disconnection than we do at empathy & connection. Now, Steve did seem to say in his remarks that it is not so simple as"I have I/you verbal relations, therefore everything is groovy." Atone point he said something to the effect that getting outside of aproblem-solving, evaluative frame of mind is quite difficult & requires the acquisition of specific skills. So I think if he had hada little more time in the presentation, he would have elaborated onthe gap here between a basic verbal ability & the more elaborateskills that seem needed to leverage "self as context" or what have youinto "you really ARE like me, aren't you?" at a more elaborate level.These thoughts on my part are not meant as criticisms, onlyobservations on the part of someone who is learning very slowly aboutACT and RFT beyond the boilerplate statements in the books and beyondmy own limited experience. Quibble B is especially difficult for me tomake clear to myself or to other people in a compact and persuasiveway. It seems very near the heart of the struggle with language.- Randy

October 11, 2011

I like the point you made when you agreed with the Buddhist saying that " Pain is

inevitable, suffering is optional " , but added a caveat that it takes a

tremendous amount of experience and wisdom for the later....almost an

un-training of the mind, from one that lives from a very conceptual ideal of how

one's world should* be, to one that accepts it as is, and therefore doesn't add

suffering to it

I made the mistake of not acknowledging that, in a previous conversation about

pain and suffering.

For the majority of us, suffering isn't optional, until one start's learning

that there is a different way

The interesting thing is, that it seems you need that suffering to take place to

eventually learn to transcend it...and then, given that, your perspective on

suffering itself can change to one with less negative context, when you view it

as a necessary process to enable growth..

>

> Last summer I did a session with a Buddhist monk

> at a local meditation center (Diamond Heart, here in Reno) on various

> topics.

> The monk was the Ven. Lobsang Nyingpo is the Director of the Tibetan

> Language Hypertext Project and

> teaches Tibetan Heart Yoga, Tibetan Language, Debate, and Buddhist

> Philosophy at Diamond Mountain

>

University<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2F\

> southeast Arizona.

> He is an accredited staff instructor with the Yoga Studies

>

Institute<https://www.email.arizona.edu/horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw\

ww.yogastudiesinstitute.org%2Fstaff.html>.

>

> My own focus was not really ACT qua ACT -- so this is really just some

> thoughts from this

> wing of the mindfulness community and perspectives from Tibetan Buddhism.

>

> The format was very free wheeling -- opening comments and a questions from

> the audience.

>

> Anyway I thought it might be of some use.

>

> These are the four sessions on YouTube. The first one starts slowly

> (introductions you can barely hear) but then it gets going after a couple of

> minutes.

>

>

> They are not yet well indexed or cross linked (we are still

> learning how to do that) so when you finish one you have to come back

> to these links to do the next.

>

> Feel free to forward or whatever

>

> - S

>

> C.

> Foundation Professor

> Department of Psychology /298

> University of Nevada

> Reno, NV 89557-0062

>

> " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

>

> hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

> Fax:

> Psych Department:

> Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): (775)

> 746-2013

>

> Blogs:

> *Psychology Today* http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

> *Huffington Post * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

>

> If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page

> or my blog at the ACBS site: