Re: For Detlef Re: Re: Recovery Stories

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> People may be tempted to pass judgement on others but do you know that> antidepressants cause some people to drink more, and so this compulsion might not always > be their fault.

>Just my opinion - but I am very skeptical of this conclusion. Further, I don't think any vice is about it being the person's fault, per se. Each of us is the product of genes and conditioning, which is not to say we are unable to regulate our behavior in that we can choose different behaviors when we become aware that something is working against our wellbeing (and some might even disagree with that; I think it's a matter of degree based on the individual). IMO, it is not wise to draw sweeping conclusions from a few anecdotes and just one study (see quote below) that saw this effect in those who have a history of alcoholism. My personal anecdote, which does not constitute proof of course, and that of some people I know, is that SSRIs can help to inhibit over-consumption of alcohol and can also help one to feel satiated on less food. I lost 15 pounds with I first started SSRIs without trying, simply by losing the desire to over-eat. IMO, benefits/risks of any medication are an individual matter and not generaliziable (if that's a word) to all.

Helena

In November of 1994 Yale published a study that gave us one answer to the alcohol cravings associated with these drugs. The study demonstrated that an increase in brain levels of either of two neurotransmitters (brain hormones), serotonin or noradrenalin, produces: #1 a craving for alcohol, #2 anger, #3 anxiety. They found this to be especially true for those who have a history of alcoholism.

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 4:37:11 PMSubject: For Detlef Re: Re: Recovery Stories

My apologies, but this my last post today.My other drug of choice is tea, where I go for 'first flush' darjeeling,or Chinese white tea - all without milk. Some people react to stress bydeveloping very low blood suger levels and tend to get food cravings aswell. Tea for me really cuts through the pain and seems to raise bloodsuger too. I only drink it mid afternoon, after work, and I will havetwo cups (and no more in case it keeps me awake at night). Tea is uniquebecause it contains theanine, a natural tranquiler that lowers cortisol,the stress hormone, as well as neutralise the caffeine. I find drinking tea is divine and I'm definately hooked on that one.Kv> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a story of success or recovery withACT> > > they could> > > > > > > > > share? I'm feeling pretty stuck at the moment andcould> > > really use> > > > > > > > > some inspiration and hope.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > > Bruce> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Well said.D>  >>> People may be tempted to pass judgement on others but do you know that

>> antidepressants cause some people to drink more, and so this compulsion might not always > be their fault.>>> Just my opinion - but I am very skeptical of this conclusion.  Further, I don't think any vice is about it being the person's fault, per se.  Each of us is the product of genes and conditioning, which is not to say we are unable to regulate our behavior in that we can choose different behaviors when we become aware that something is working against our wellbeing (and some might even disagree with that; I think it's a matter of degree based on the individual).   IMO, it is not wise to draw sweeping conclusions from a few anecdotes and just one study (see quote below) that saw this effect in those who  have a history of alcoholism. My personal anecdote, which does not constitute proof of course, and that of some people I know, is that  SSRIs can help to inhibit over-consumption of alcohol and can also help one to feel satiated on less food.  I lost 15 pounds with I first started SSRIs without trying, simply by losing the desire to over-eat.   IMO, benefits/risks of any medication are an individual matter and not generaliziable (if that's a word) to all.

>  > Helena >  > In November of 1994 Yale published a study that gave us one answer to the alcohol cravings associated with these drugs. The study demonstrated that an increase in brain levels of either of two neurotransmitters (brain hormones), serotonin or noradrenalin, produces: #1 a craving for alcohol, #2 anger, #3 anxiety. They found this to be especially true for those who have a history of alcoholism.

>> ________________________________> > To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 4:37:11 PM> Subject: For Detlef Re: Re: Recovery Stories>>  >> My apologies, but this my last post today.>> My other drug of choice is tea, where I go for 'first flush' darjeeling,

> or Chinese white tea - all without milk. Some people react to stress by> developing very low blood suger levels and tend to get food cravings as> well. Tea for me really cuts through the pain and seems to raise blood

> suger too. I only drink it mid afternoon, after work, and I will have> two cups (and no more in case it keeps me awake at night). Tea is unique> because it contains theanine, a natural tranquiler that lowers cortisol,

> the stress hormone, as well as neutralise the caffeine. I find> drinking tea is divine and I'm definately hooked on that one.>> Kv>>

>> > > >>> > > > Proud of yourself, ain't ya?>> > > >>> > > > For Detlef Re: Re: Recovery> Stories>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >

>> > > >>> > > > Hmm... I'm pissed as a newt. (English translation: drunk as a>> > skunk.)>> > > >>> > > > It's when I have some of my best* and worst* thoughts.

>> > > >>> > > > *According to my evaluation at the time.>> > > >>> > > > Listening to some old Beatles music atm, marveling at how those>

> -- Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-TRochester, NY, UShttp://darrellking.com

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