Advice on behavioural problems in my 5-year-old son?

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Hello all,

I'm new here and seeking advice for my son.

BACKGROUND INFO:-

My son is 5. He had fairly bad autistic symptoms when he younger - he started

regressing a bit before his first birthday and eventually lost all speech and

became non-responsive, spinning wheels in front of his eyes etc. and crying a

lot of the time.

When I realised he had Lyme disease, I got antibiotic treatment for him, speech

therapy, and found an outstanding nursery which helped with behavioural therapy

and helping him form friendships with other children etc. He seems completely

normal most of the time nowadays.

Now he is 5 and has just started a normal primary school, without classroom

assistance. Most of the time he apparently does fine, except...

THE PROBLEM:

Although my son seems normal in pretty much all his behaviour, he does continue

to have absolutely explosive outbursts of anger/aggression. They happen far too

often for a " normal " kid, they last too long, and they don't seem to have any

rational provocation.

Last Monday he didn't want to go to school and he apparently spent the first

hour and a half lying face down on the floor by the teacher's desk, screaming

and cying and kicking anyone who tried to get near him. The teacher just left

him and tried to teach the rest of the class, because there wasn't much else she

could do.

As far as I know this is the very worst incident, but the teacher has mentioned

that he has attacks of extreme irritability quite often.

He is fine with his best friend most of the time, but also has attacks of these

awful outbursts with him too. It's like temper tantrums taken to the most

extreme degree imaginable!

Does anyone have any advice at all on how to deal with this behaviour?

And, do you have any opinion on how much this is likely to be illness related

problems that he cannot help, and how much it is simple bad behaviour? Is there

any way to tell?

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This sounds similar to a case study I read about a few years ago, when the individual was diagnosed with Bartonella. This normally calm person became very irritable following a camping/fishing trip. This irritability evolved into explosive rages. The rages calmed down some with antibiotic treatment and psych meds. The psych meds were ineffective until the antibiotics were started. This person was an adult at the time. I am not recommending psych meds be used with your child. But it is worth exploring whether he has an undiagnosed infection affecting his behavior, possibly Bartonella. Bartonella and Lyme disease are carried by many of the same vectors, with Bartonella also carried by fleas. It may require a combination of therapies to address this problem. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:05 AMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Advice on behavioural problems in my 5-year-old son? Hello all,I'm new here and seeking advice for my son. BACKGROUND INFO:-My son is 5. He had fairly bad autistic symptoms when he younger - he started regressing a bit before his first birthday and eventually lost all speech and became non-responsive, spinning wheels in front of his eyes etc. and crying a lot of the time.When I realised he had Lyme disease, I got antibiotic treatment for him, speech therapy, and found an outstanding nursery which helped with behavioural therapy and helping him form friendships with other children etc. He seems completely normal most of the time nowadays.Now he is 5 and has just started a normal primary school, without classroom assistance. Most of the time he apparently does fine, except...THE PROBLEM:Although my son seems normal in pretty much all his behaviour, he does continue to have absolutely explosive outbursts of anger/aggression. They happen far too often for a " normal " kid, they last too long, and they don't seem to have any rational provocation.Last Monday he didn't want to go to school and he apparently spent the first hour and a half lying face down on the floor by the teacher's desk, screaming and cying and kicking anyone who tried to get near him. The teacher just left him and tried to teach the rest of the class, because there wasn't much else she could do. As far as I know this is the very worst incident, but the teacher has mentioned that he has attacks of extreme irritability quite often. He is fine with his best friend most of the time, but also has attacks of these awful outbursts with him too. It's like temper tantrums taken to the most extreme degree imaginable!Does anyone have any advice at all on how to deal with this behaviour?And, do you have any opinion on how much this is likely to be illness related problems that he cannot help, and how much it is simple bad behaviour? Is there any way to tell?__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6532 (20111010) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6532 (20111010) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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Thank you for the reply. I'll ask the doc about this.

>

> This sounds similar to a case study I read about a few years ago, when the

> individual was diagnosed with Bartonella. This normally calm person became

> very irritable following a camping/fishing trip. This irritability evolved

> into explosive rages. The rages calmed down some with antibiotic treatment

> and psych meds. The psych meds were ineffective until the antibiotics were

> started. This person was an adult at the time. I am not recommending psych

> meds be used with your child. But it is worth exploring whether he has an

> undiagnosed infection affecting his behavior, possibly Bartonella.

> Bartonella and Lyme disease are carried by many of the same vectors, with

> Bartonella also carried by fleas. It may require a combination of therapies

> to address this problem.

>

>

>

> Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

>

> mcfighter@...

>

>

>

> From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of

>

> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:05 AM

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> Subject: Advice on behavioural

> problems in my 5-year-old son?

>

>

>

>

>

> Hello all,

>

> I'm new here and seeking advice for my son.

>

> BACKGROUND INFO:-

>

> My son is 5. He had fairly bad autistic symptoms when he younger - he

> started regressing a bit before his first birthday and eventually lost all

> speech and became non-responsive, spinning wheels in front of his eyes etc.

> and crying a lot of the time.

>

> When I realised he had Lyme disease, I got antibiotic treatment for him,

> speech therapy, and found an outstanding nursery which helped with

> behavioural therapy and helping him form friendships with other children

> etc. He seems completely normal most of the time nowadays.

>

> Now he is 5 and has just started a normal primary school, without classroom

> assistance. Most of the time he apparently does fine, except...

>

> THE PROBLEM:

>

> Although my son seems normal in pretty much all his behaviour, he does

> continue to have absolutely explosive outbursts of anger/aggression. They

> happen far too often for a " normal " kid, they last too long, and they don't

> seem to have any rational provocation.

>

> Last Monday he didn't want to go to school and he apparently spent the first

> hour and a half lying face down on the floor by the teacher's desk,

> screaming and cying and kicking anyone who tried to get near him. The

> teacher just left him and tried to teach the rest of the class, because

> there wasn't much else she could do.

> As far as I know this is the very worst incident, but the teacher has

> mentioned that he has attacks of extreme irritability quite often.

>

> He is fine with his best friend most of the time, but also has attacks of

> these awful outbursts with him too. It's like temper tantrums taken to the

> most extreme degree imaginable!

>

> Does anyone have any advice at all on how to deal with this behaviour?

>

> And, do you have any opinion on how much this is likely to be illness

> related problems that he cannot help, and how much it is simple bad

> behaviour? Is there any way to tell?

>

>

>

>

>

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> database 6532 (20111010) __________

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