Re: Comparing reactions about the Surfactant -toxic metals symptoms

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Krassi,

Both BioPures chlorela and MicroSilica are good binders. Were you seeing the new

behaviors before the increased dose, if you think it could be related to the

increased dose, just back down for a short time more. If not, with the WA

group/incl my son, here's a couple of thoughts:

1) Behaviourally, stayed pretty much the same, except for a period of

increased verbal stimming & OCD....upon ART & lab tests these are directly

related to the large amount of toxic metals/esp mercury that he is excreting

(his 08/2011 Doctors Data Hair Analysis has him in the yellow for both mercury @

..63 & Arsenic @.081)...oh, & yes he has been doing extra drooling (classic

mercury movement sytmtons....anything mouthing/drooling related). In supporting

this on multiple lists & off-list I'm tired & forget if I posted this on this

list....forgive me if I have...just to make sure this group has it, here's part

of a reply on another list about binders & metals movement....as metals movement

alone has it's own set of symptoms that you have to deal with outside the rhelm

of the reaction to the product. To make it easy on myself, I'm just going to

copy part of it:

" The binders that my son has been successfully on for a few years now have been

BioPures Chlorella (link w/info):

> > http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Detail.bok?no=1

> > Also, here's a good write up on Chlorella:

> > http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/KlinghartNeurotoxinProtocol.htm

> >

> > We also use Alfalfa which is also a binder, high in minerals & vitamins).

> >

> > In regards to the stim, if I remember right I think it was this group that

just had a whole thread on stimming. What we've generally noticed in our WA

group ( & in my child) is that as you kill things, the metals dump alone will

sometimes cause extra stimming...if the stimming comes when you're killing

things, putting extra binders on board will generally help. "

" Not to write a book here, but I've found as I've chelated, I could pretty much

peg the metal he was dumping the most @ the time by his behaviors...if he is

mouthing more, drooling more, hand flapping or toe walking more, concider

looking at mercury movement.

> > For us, it's taken years to move out mercury, but his current DD Hair report

has him excreting out mercury at his highest ever (in the yellow @ .63). Several

years ago I did some research on toxic metals sources & symptoms then did a

paper on the findings. I used everything from the lab test write-ups (some of

the best were the Doctors Data...he was deranged in so many things I had a

pretty wide spectrum pool of info).

Here's from my notes on mercury:

" Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing,

vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms

include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability

and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors,

in-coordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal

dysfunction or failure.

> > July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning

side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory

disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch,

and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand

flapping, clumsiness, and chor movements; and cognitive impairments in specific

domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract

ideas. "

My son is also excreting out Arsenic (in the yellow @ .081).

Here's Arsenic's symptom notes:

Headaches, drowsiness, confusion, weakness, or skin problems.

If you further want any of my sources & symptoms research notes just let me

know, I'll be glad to post them up. "

In light of the high levels of mercury he's dumping from the lab it's not

surprising he's drooling more, a little extra OCD & a little more

intollerant....I also know it's on it's way out, improving his overall health.

With some of the other kids here in WA we've seen extra stimming including hand

flapping...with it we're also seeing overall gains. We've never seen severe

negative...just annoying OCD/stimming stuff.

To wrap up, it may be the toxins dumping that are causing this.

2) The second thing that comes to mind is....as the neurology " wakes up " he may

be oversensitive right now. Does extra touch/encouragement help right now like

rubbing his back w/a little more pressure help (my son Loves this & asks for

it...he'll lean into me now to get more if I start rubbing his back.

On this one, for you parents out their that do decide to try it....there is a

neurological response that happens the 1st time ( & only the 1st time) that you

take it....I'm not telling what it is, you'll have to e-mail me off-list if you

try it & tell me what you felt different)....I was not told & told them about it

when I experienced it. As the body heals, they may just be feeling better enough

to have extra sensitivities to things.

3) We also had to go on extra anti-virals as his body dealt w/detox stuff. We're

having to stay on top of his changing ART protocols.

Again, to date we have not seen any severe side effects, just annoying

OCD/stimming things that do get better.

Thanks for your continued posts! I'm taking notes.

Rita

> > >

> > > ,

> > > I decided to post up a more in depth answer to this from another group to

further assist in explaining this. To expidite this I left the message in tact

so you'll have to week through some of the specific herb info....but the basic

pricipal is what I hope will help.

> > >

> > > ---------

> > > " With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you

do not mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone

else chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible

surfactants...see prior postings at the bottom of this thread).

> > >

> > > Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many

healing whole food properties:

> > > http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htm

> > > The main ingredients being:

> > > Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea

(purpurea & angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic,

Grapeseed extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf),

Raspberry, Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant

and flower), Oregano oil (plant and flower).

> > >

> > > My son has used most of these in his recovery so I am well aware of their

healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs,

diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both

natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters

in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3

years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at

one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his

degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on

just 4 months with the surfactants.

> > >

> > > The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs.

Surfactants are mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are

special edible properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell

helping the cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate

things better into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles

@ the park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the

body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better

survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants

(in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians &

staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks

will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making

survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things

are well lubed they just work better.

> > >

> > > If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it

staying on their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further

into the body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it

at the same time as the surfactants...vary the start to better track each.

> > > Thanks for letting me cut in....

> > > Blessings,

> > > Rita

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