Re: Comparing reactions about the Surfactant

October 17, 2011

I have tried Immunist, started with 2 drops twice a day, worked up to four drops 3 times a day, but didn't observe any change positive or negative.

good luck,

Mason

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism From: krassi_G_2000@...Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:23:09 +0000Subject: Comparing reactions about the Surfactant

I wanted to ask - does anybody from the group give the Immusis to your child? Would you let me know how he reacts, positives/negatives so we can compare? I started my son on this product approximaely 10 days ago, since he ART tested really well with it. So far I have been giving him 3 drops twice per day and since yesterday I increased to 4 drops twice per day. I noticed that the last 3 days he became very ritualistic, this is something completely new for us. Is this sign of strep or virus, does anybody know? He wants everything to be touched twice - for instance if I kiss him or hug him, he insists to kiss him/hug him second time and it has to be exactly on the same place. If I touch him even without noticing, he insists I touch him exactly the same way and on the same place, if he enters the room, he goes back and he enters again the same way and so forth. It makes me smile everytime I see that because looks so funny, but makes me also wonder why this is happening and if we are steering up again something. As per the latest ART testing his main issues are viral and parasites so we are addressing them with other supplements as well. Has anybody else noticed new strange behavours like this when started the Immusist? We do BioPures chlorela and MicroSIlica as binders, wondering if I need to increase them.Any feedback greatly apreciated.Krassi>> ,> I decided to post up a more in depth answer to this from another group to further assist in explaining this. To expidite this I left the message in tact so you'll have to week through some of the specific herb info....but the basic pricipal is what I hope will help.> > ---------> "With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you do not mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone else chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible surfactants...see prior postings at the bottom of this thread).> > Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many healing whole food properties:> http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htm> The main ingredients being:> Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea (purpurea & angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic, Grapeseed extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf), Raspberry, Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant and flower), Oregano oil (plant and flower).> > My son has used most of these in his recovery so I am well aware of their healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs, diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3 years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on just 4 months with the surfactants.> > The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs. Surfactants are mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are special edible properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell helping the cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate things better into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles @ the park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants (in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians & staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things are well lubed they just work better.> > If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it staying on their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further into the body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it at the same time as the surfactants...vary the start to better track each.> Thanks for letting me cut in....> Blessings,> Rita

October 17, 2011

My kids have not had any negative reactions, but they are all in regular school,

so not much symptoms left, but they are still there in that they can not go off

of supplements. My kids have performed rituals often, usually when their

Bartonella is kicking up or when I start a new treatment for it. It subsides

after a few weeks of treatment. The ritual behaviors are often associated with

OCD, which is an impending need to do things repetitively or a certain way.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

> >

> > ,

> > I decided to post up a more in depth answer to this from another group to

further assist in explaining this. To expidite this I left the message in tact

so you'll have to week through some of the specific herb info....but the basic

pricipal is what I hope will help.

> >

> > ---------

> > " With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you

do not mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone

else chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible

surfactants...see prior postings at the bottom of this thread).

> >

> > Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many

healing whole food properties:

> > http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htm

> > The main ingredients being:

> > Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea

(purpurea & angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic,

Grapeseed extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf),

Raspberry, Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant

and flower), Oregano oil (plant and flower).

> >

> > My son has used most of these in his recovery so I am well aware of their

healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs,

diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both

natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters

in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3

years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at

one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his

degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on

just 4 months with the surfactants.

> >

> > The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs. Surfactants

are mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are special edible

properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell helping the

cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate things better

into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles @ the

park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the

body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better

survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants

(in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians &

staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks

will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making

survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things

are well lubed they just work better.

> >

> > If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it

staying on their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further

into the body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it

at the same time as the surfactants...vary the start to better track each.

> > Thanks for letting me cut in....

> > Blessings,

> > Rita

>

October 17, 2011

Mason,

You sound like my husband....He's 55 & in good overall health...he eats well,

works out & generally tries to take care of himself. Being pretty healthy, for 9

months he did not " notice " any changes on the surfactants, frankly, neither did

I...but we took them anyway after having done the research of how good they are

for the body. My DH's surgery blood work just confirmed to us that our whole

family needs to stay on a maintenance dose to try & keep our long term health

up....the last thing I need right now is to get " all of the sudden " sick. Again

from the prior post, his pre-surgery/post-surgery blood work including oxygen

levels were a significant improvement during a trama like a surgery with a large

loss of blood.

Just curious, did you happen to run basic blood labs after being on a fairly

standard dose for 30-60 days?

Even if you don't feel any different, it's been pretty standard to show blood

improvements once the standard dose is reached for about a month....even for

basic standard blood lab. Just thought I'd check as we continue to research

this. Early on in my research I spoke w/a lab tech that's been working with it

for a few years, he's seen some amazing things. He recommended we run basic

blood labs before starting it for a baseline, then a month or 2 out on a

standard dose rerun it just to track the blood improvements.

Thanks for sharing,

Blessings,

Rita