Re: Addl info incl Surfactant Dosages -Notes incl water remediation

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This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.Beverage Concentrate

> > To pass info requested off-list:> > > > I've come to really respect this product & every day I'm more amazed by it. > > This product breaks down the surface tension of the cells helping awaken & assist the immune system to function better. It is very safe & very effective. > > > > This e-mail is done based soley on my experience, asking a ton of ?'s from some of my good resources and as I've gleaned.....NOT as a representative of the company:> > > >  Generally pretty healthy adult: 16 drops a day> >  Slight immune challenged (colds/flu 2-3+ times a year or other slight immune concerns): 16 drops 2x a day> >  Significant immune challenged (All auto-immune related issues): 16 drops 3x a day.> >  Most Children are at 1/2 doses> >  What I'm experiencing with ASD....because of the toxic nature we are experiencing a case-by-case basis but basically most are starting @ 3 drops 2x a day & watching/modifying as needed.> > > > Optimum dosage that you'll work toward is as stated above, that would be children @ 8 drops once or twice a day.> > > > Remember, this product is a very good anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-parasitic. It will help carry deeper the good stuff you're using (because of this I dose the good stuff with it, especially liquid things like vitamins....that would include natural vitamins like Alfalfa...considered the "poor mans vitamins" & Chlorella which are both considered super foods, high in vitamins, b's & good binders. Use the surfactants to push them further into the body helping assimilate it into the system. It can also be used topically (put in a good spray bottle, preferably glass, mix a few drops with water & spray onto soars & skin conditions...personally I'd laser after applying to push in further after applying). We have personally seen this work fantastic with . As soon as I get a chance I will post up 's most recent Doctors Data Hair Analysis which showed significant improvement in his mineral levels∑.the only thing we really changed this year was adding the surfactants.> > > > It is also my understanding that it breaks the blood brain barrier so use it to further oxygenate brain cells (especially if you have water that is highly oxygenated like Kangen water is). Being considered a whole food itself, it will take what it needs out of the food taken with it (like liquid minerals) & further assist it to assimilate into the cell. We have just experienced the power of this with my husband's recent hip replacement surgery. He totally amazed both the docs & nurses with his excellent blood work including his blood oxygen level that was significantly less loss than normal for the procedure (we were told by the doctor that it normally drops 15-20 pts∑my husband's only dropped 3 pts & that this low drop was the main contributor to not needing a blood transfusion during the surgery like they would normally do). His hospital stay ended up being less than 48 hours when normal is 3-5 days. As it turns out, one of the nurses in the hospital commented that she had never seen an oxygen drop this low before∑..further into the conversation ( & just having met ) she disclosed that she has also been seeing a DAN Dr for her ASD son (5 non-verbal). > > Further discussion lead to us meeting up with the pediatrician I have been mentoring (Last year I started helping her with her non-verbal son∑.she started on the surfactants last spring∑.her son is doing fantastic & now talks up a storm. With him we had to add in more binders∑for him that ended up being alfalfa to assist binding the metals dumping∑this really helped with the slight increase in his stimming from the body getting rid of the toxic metals. He did even better on the surfactants taken together with the alfalfa). Being from a medical background they both knew about surfactants, they both did additional research & are now both using it (both moms & sons).> > > > Additional thoughts on the oxygen thing w/surfactants∑.As I was pondering this oxygen thing after his surgery, at the park w/the kids we were playing with bubbles∑.hummm I thought, bubbles are a type of surfactant∑it turns from liquid into an air floating bubble∑with very little surfactant. We were having fun re-catching the bubbles with the stick∑we would then re-blow the bubble again∑..the wheels were turning in my mind as I thought of how the body would use the surfactants reducing the surface tension of the cells & how the body would be using so little to do so much good).> > > > As much as possible, try & keep drug/rx dosed at least an hour away from it as you don't want to push it further into the body or further enhance the potency of the rx. > > > > THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU DO WITH THIS IS TAKE IT WITH A FULL GLASS OF WATER....water is what's used to carry/disburse/activate it throughout the body.> > > > http://immusist.com/> > > > Hope this info helps,> > Rita

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I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

Beverage Concentrate

[Guest guest]

In backing up Heidi, we too have have had to stay on our current protocol, it

has not been a stand alone for us either. It has broken us through what our

current protocol was doing but we have actually had to add on extra things like

more binders.

I had the opportunity to speak w/the founder last Fri & he has listened. He told

me even though they are all natural vegetable dyes & flavors, because of our

requests/input he is working on further reducing these items...his goal is to

have these new bottles available at the end of next week....

He's listened....I'll keep you posted...

Rita

>

> I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

> not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

> dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

> upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

> in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

> to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

> just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

> and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

> react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

> boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

> supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

> usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

> food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

>

> Beverage Concentrate

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! I will be delighted to have a yucky-free bottle to try too!!X0IsaReferring DH: he has engaged a group of chemical engineers to further research on the ingredients we found on the info u provided and on the web. This is what would call: Girl-Mobilization power! LOL!! Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 06:33:45 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Addl info incl Surfactant Dosages -Notes incl water remediation In backing up Heidi, we too have have had to stay on our current protocol, it has not been a stand alone for us either. It has broken us through what our current protocol was doing but we have actually had to add on extra things like more binders.I had the opportunity to speak w/the founder last Fri & he has listened. He told me even though they are all natural vegetable dyes & flavors, because of our requests/input he is working on further reducing these items...his goal is to have these new bottles available at the end of next week....He's listened....I'll keep you posted... :DRita>> I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely > not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food > dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days > upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve > in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things > to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister, > just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials > and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I > react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or > boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other > supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I > usually get die-off to everything under the sun.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > > This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic > food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.> > Beverage Concentrate>

[Guest guest]

These surfactants break down the protective barrier function of the intestine

and the blood brain barrier...

Surely this is the last thing you want to do to someone with Lyme, who already

has a compromised BBB and whose brain is struggling with all kinds of toxins

from the gut which should never have been able to get into the blood stream in

the first place?

>

> I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

> not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

> dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

> upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

> in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

> to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

> just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

> and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

> react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

> boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

> supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

> usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

> food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

>

> Beverage Concentrate

>

[Guest guest]

Heidi, Isa and Rita,

Thanks for all the info on the Immusist. Good to know they are reformulating

it, and how it works. I might try it for our son.

[Guest guest]

,

The surfactants do not break down the protective barrier functions, they help

the blood work better...blood already brings oxygen to the brain.

Breaking down the surface tension of the cells (which is what the surfactants

do) & helping the body/blood oxygenate better will always be a good thing.

I was tought many years ago, toxic organisms inc viruses, bacterias & fungas

does not live well in an oxygen rich environment....increasing oxygen & better

working blood should be @ the top of the list of things everyone should work

toward, esp those that have thick sluggish blood that are loaded w/toxins.

Again this product has been safely used for 18 years with no adverse side

effects to date....it also is cleaning up very, very difficult life taking

viruses in parts of Africa successfully for the last 9 years (the only reason

it's not more widely published is purely the $'s it takes to accomplish this).

Hope this helps you understand this furter.

Rita

> >

> > I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

> > not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

> > dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

> > upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

> > in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

> > to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

> > just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

> > and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

> > react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

> > boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

> > supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

> > usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> >

> >

> > This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

> > food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

> >

> > Beverage Concentrate

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

I decided to post up a more in depth answer to this from another group to

further assist in explaining this. To expidite this I left the message in tact

so you'll have to week through some of the specific herb info....but the basic

pricipal is what I hope will help.

---------

" With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you do

not mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone

else chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible

surfactants...see prior postings at the bottom of this thread).

Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many healing

whole food properties:

http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htm

The main ingredients being:

Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea (purpurea

& angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic, Grapeseed

extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf), Raspberry,

Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant and flower),

Oregano oil (plant and flower).

My son has used most of these in his recovery so I am well aware of their

healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs,

diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both

natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters

in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3

years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at

one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his

degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on

just 4 months with the surfactants.

The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs. Surfactants are

mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are special edible

properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell helping the

cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate things better

into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles @ the

park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the

body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better

survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants

(in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians &

staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks

will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making

survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things

are well lubed they just work better.

If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it staying on

their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further into the

body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it at the

same time as the surfactants...vary the start to better track each.

Thanks for letting me cut in....

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

> > > not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

> > > dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

> > > upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

> > > in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

> > > to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

> > > just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

> > > and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

> > > react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

> > > boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

> > > supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

> > > usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

> > > food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

> > >

> > > Beverage Concentrate

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Helo im posting very rearly in this group but i reed most post here and i deside to ask Q ?If i deside to use surfactants for my son 6y old with autistic behaviour with no proove for lyme even thou the LDM100 was doing great job for us .What surfactants i can use is there only one ore there is many so i can choose ore is only one one the site i have from before and i can use only that one .I dont realy undurstand that much .thank you all i know for you might be a stupid Q but i realy dont undurstand surfactants at all .I will do my oun resurch but if someone can bring a bit light about the products and availabilities i will be gratefull.My appologies if this has been explained and i have missed it.RalitsaTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Sunday, 16 October 2011, 20:46:17Subject: Re: Addl info incl Surfactant Dosages -Notes incl water remediation

,

I decided to post up a more in depth answer to this from another group to further assist in explaining this. To expidite this I left the message in tact so you'll have to week through some of the specific herb info....but the basic pricipal is what I hope will help.

---------

"With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you do not mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone else chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible surfactants...see prior postings at the bottom of this thread).

Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many healing whole food properties:

http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htm

The main ingredients being:

Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea (purpurea & angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic, Grapeseed extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf), Raspberry, Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant and flower), Oregano oil (plant and flower).

My son has used most of these in his recovery so I am well aware of their healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs, diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3 years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on just 4 months with the surfactants.

The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs. Surfactants are mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are special edible properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell helping the cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate things better into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles @ the park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants (in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians & staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things are well lubed they just work

better.

If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it staying on their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further into the body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it at the same time as the surfactants...vary the start to better track each.

Thanks for letting me cut in....

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

> > > not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

> > > dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

> > > upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

> > > in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

> > > to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

> > > just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

> > > and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

> > > react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

> > > boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

> > > supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

> > > usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

> > > food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

> > >

> > > Beverage Concentrate

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am ill, so I wonderfully get the benefit of seeing how I react to

things. I research, listen to personal accounts, etc. I actually

haven't done a lot of what others have done because I am cautious.

Anyhow, my most reliable science is actually using it. I try it and

see. For immusist, I have tried it, and it has not caused me any

problems. Other family members who tried it also only improved with no

adverse reactions. If you look up cod liver oil, mainstream medical

says it kills people by making them bleed to death. Yet, I read that

it's the most commonly prescribed supplement in Europe, and I have never

seen anyone post of having bleeding issues from it. Just a rare post

here and there of a reaction that appears to be from an allergy to it.

So, as you can see, there is a lot to deciding whether or not a

supplement it safe or not. If I could afford it, I would drink the

immusist because it makes me feel so much better.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

These surfactants break down the protective barrier function of the

intestine and the blood brain barrier...

Surely this is the last thing you want to do to someone with Lyme, who

already has a compromised BBB and whose brain is struggling with all

kinds of toxins from the gut which should never have been able to get

into the blood stream in the first place?

[Guest guest]

Thanks all for the extra info.

>

> I am ill, so I wonderfully get the benefit of seeing how I react to

> things. I research, listen to personal accounts, etc. I actually

> haven't done a lot of what others have done because I am cautious.

> Anyhow, my most reliable science is actually using it. I try it and

> see. For immusist, I have tried it, and it has not caused me any

> problems. Other family members who tried it also only improved with no

> adverse reactions. If you look up cod liver oil, mainstream medical

> says it kills people by making them bleed to death. Yet, I read that

> it's the most commonly prescribed supplement in Europe, and I have never

> seen anyone post of having bleeding issues from it. Just a rare post

> here and there of a reaction that appears to be from an allergy to it.

> So, as you can see, there is a lot to deciding whether or not a

> supplement it safe or not. If I could afford it, I would drink the

> immusist because it makes me feel so much better.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

>

>

> These surfactants break down the protective barrier function of the

> intestine and the blood brain barrier...

> Surely this is the last thing you want to do to someone with Lyme, who

> already has a compromised BBB and whose brain is struggling with all

> kinds of toxins from the gut which should never have been able to get

> into the blood stream in the first place?

>

[Guest guest]

Ralitsa,

There is only 1 surfactant product that I trust enough to have my family use:

http://immusist.com/

If you are using LDM-100 successfully in your current protocol, I would stay on

it & dose the surfactant w/it. For us, we put the surfactant right in the same

juice cocktail w/the LDM-100 in a small glass & shoot it down, then chase it

right away w/a large glass of water (for us I add EmergenC for the 1000mg of

VitC & electrolights to be also pushed further w/the surfactants).

Thanks for your ?, hope this answered ok....

Blessings,

Rita

> > > >

> > > > I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

> > > > not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

> > > > dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

> > > > upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

> > > > in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

> > > > to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

> > > > just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

> > > > and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

> > > > react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

> > > > boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

> > > > supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

> > > > usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

> > > >

> > > > Love and prayers,

> > > >

> > > > Heidi N

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

> > > > food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

> > > >

> > > > Beverage Concentrate

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much Rita I will give a shot and lets see what happened any way i have my son on special herbal treatment for his immune sistem and metabolitic disorder wich is going great but bit slow than i wish but his artritus is already gone just for 4 months (we didnt even know was artritus till the moment was gon )So probably i can rush the whole proces with that product and LDM-100.Best regards RalitsaTo:

BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Tuesday, 18 October 2011, 6:51:49Subject: Re: Addl info incl Surfactant Dosages -Notes incl water remediation

Ralitsa,

There is only 1 surfactant product that I trust enough to have my family use:

http://immusist.com/

If you are using LDM-100 successfully in your current protocol, I would stay on it & dose the surfactant w/it. For us, we put the surfactant right in the same juice cocktail w/the LDM-100 in a small glass & shoot it down, then chase it right away w/a large glass of water (for us I add EmergenC for the 1000mg of VitC & electrolights to be also pushed further w/the surfactants).

Thanks for your ?, hope this answered ok....

Blessings,

Rita

> > > >

> > > > I don't have this answer, but I feel there is a reason, and it's likely

> > > > not for physical appearance. We are not adversely reacting to the food

> > > > dye in this product, and usually I actually get ill for about 3 days

> > > > upon consuming artificial food dye. I have found this stuff to improve

> > > > in a general all over way. It doesn't appear to work for us if things

> > > > to also kill pathogens are not taken, so it seems to be an assister,

> > > > just like the name says. I am guessing it allows the anti-microbials

> > > > and toxins to interact with cells more effectively towards healing. I

> > > > react to this product similarly as when I take things to rid toxins or

> > > > boost liver function. But, like I said, I must also take my other

> > > > supplements to feel the difference. We got very little die-off, and I

> > > > usually get die-off to everything under the sun.

> > > >

> > > > Love and prayers,

> > > >

> > > > Heidi N

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This product looks very interesting, but why do they have to add toxic

> > > > food dyes? My son cannot tolerate red food dye.

> > > >

> > > > Beverage Concentrate

> > > >

> > >

> >

>