Re: Re: Need your help... @ Deflet:-)

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Hi deflet, your post came while i was trying to reply back to Helena and Randy, so i wanna make this quick, ore sle i will never get to finishing up my repy to them and posting it, as i amm always at the mercy of my 2 rascals (my boyz;) who don't give me much time to myself, but alhamdulillah, kids r still a blessing from allah (arabic word for god:-)I havta confess, while i get some part of your email, i don't get all of it. Yes the essence of ACT is just what to mentioned in ur 2nd paragraph.<<<My reflections on my life

experience have led me to see that some, though not all, of the pain I

have experienced can be directly traced to the insane and stupid

religious beliefs (in our case, Catholic) of my parents.>>>:-)i was raised by catholic Nuns, as all of my life in my country, i spend in a catholic all girl convent. Sometimes it is not necessarily the 'st*p*d religious beliefs of the religion', but perhaps 'the inaacurate beliefs of the people' who practise it, that creates all the problems. And this is coming from a person (myself) who is very devouted to , now what is believed as ' the most hated religion' in the US and perhaps the world. Hated becoz , it's the most misunderstood, IN MY EYES:-) I hold the same beliefs about Islam, as i hold about any other religion, Christinity, Judism, Hinduism etc. etc. That in essence every religion preaches love, compassion, and co-existence with one another. While i could be wrong in others eyes, but i hold this belief firmly and nothing would change this:-). The only people, shown in the media, who represnt my religion, are sadly the ones who have completely misreprsented it. Who have not learnt and grasped the message from the holy scripture how they were supposed to, who took exmaples of the the prophets , sahabas, and rigous people of that time, completely out of context to satify their own desires. Religion is not easy to understand. It is a life long proceess, and definately not something that can be defined by the actions of one, or a huge group of people who practise it and claim to be practising it in the 'right way'.As for myself i always mention religion, not for anyother reason but perhaps becoz it is a huge part of my life:-) i apologize if it offends anyone. Just like every single time i mention my therapist joann everytime i post something about ACT here...or perhaps everytime i mention coping skills to anyone inclduing my community, i mention ACT.:-). Or anytime i mention people who inspire me i mentioned- Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), Dr. M Joann , , Russ & . No i don't think of anything as a harsh comment:-) Jazakallah khair for sharing your views, and i hope u do not mind me sharing mine:-)i always see and connect with people, not from what cuture, community, religion , they come from, but from how i can connect with them, as one human being to another. I have every sorta freinds i love and whose friendship i value dearly, from muslims, jews, christains, athiests, hindus etc. etc...and people who pratice all kinds of lifestyles, from devout rleigious to even 1 freind i have who;s in the porn industry. What religon they partice and what lifestyle they have is not my business as that is a personal preference. i like to connect with people based on what we have in common as humans rather than what differences we may have.if i have infact misunderstood ur post i do apologize. take care defletwasalaam:-)-K Designs."" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.

That way, when you criticize them, you're already a mile away AND you have their

shoes." ~ a very pious intellectualTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: michieux@...Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:20:27 +0000Subject: Re: Need your help... @

Hello ,I am wondering why you seem to emphasize your beliefs here. Seems to me the essence of ACT, despite its mindfulness aspect being compared to aspects of Buddhism, is essentially based in the reality of our experience, and how we tend to avoid that reality, thus aggravating our suffering.My reflections on my life experience have led me to see that some, though not all, of the pain I have experienced can be directly traced to the insane and stupid religious beliefs (in our case, Catholic) of my parents.The above may appear as a harsh condemnation of something many hold sacred, but I see that very "holding sacred" of unverifiable beliefs as part of the problem, and not as part of the resolution of our suffering.Regards,Detlef

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but from how i can connect with them, as one human being to another

That says it all, . Thank you.

To: "act for the public" <act_for_the_public >Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:47:04 PMSubject: RE: Re: Need your help... @ Deflet:-)

Hi deflet, your post came while i was trying to reply back to Helena and Randy, so i wanna make this quick, ore sle i will never get to finishing up my repy to them and posting it, as i amm always at the mercy of my 2 rascals (my boyz;) who don't give me much time to myself, but alhamdulillah, kids r still a blessing from allah (arabic word for god:-)I havta confess, while i get some part of your email, i don't get all of it. Yes the essence of ACT is just what to mentioned in ur 2nd paragraph.<<<My reflections on my life experience have led me to see that some, though not all, of the pain I have experienced can be directly traced to the insane and stupid religious beliefs (in our case, Catholic) of my parents.>>>:-)i was raised by catholic Nuns, as all of my life in my country, i spend in a catholic all girl convent. Sometimes it is not necessarily the 'st*p*d religious beliefs of the religion', but perhaps 'the inaacurate beliefs of the people' who practise it, that creates all the problems. And this is coming from a person (myself) who is very devouted to , now what is believed as ' the most hated religion' in the US and perhaps the world. Hated becoz , it's the most misunderstood, IN MY EYES:-) I hold the same beliefs about Islam, as i hold about any other religion, Christinity, Judism, Hinduism etc. etc. That in essence every religion preaches love, compassion, and co-existence with one another. While i could be wrong in others eyes, but i hold this belief firmly and nothing would change this:-). The only people, shown in the media, who represnt my religion, are sadly the ones who have completely misreprsented it. Who have not learnt and grasped the message from the holy scripture how they were supposed to, who took exmaples of the the prophets , sahabas, and rigous people of that time, completely out of context to satify their own desires. Religion is not easy to understand. It is a life long proceess, and definately not something that can be defined by the actions of one, or a huge group of people who practise it and claim to be practising it in the 'right way'.As for myself i always mention religion, not for anyother reason but perhaps becoz it is a huge part of my life:-) i apologize if it offends anyone. Just like every single time i mention my therapist joann everytime i post something about ACT here...or perhaps everytime i mention coping skills to anyone inclduing my community, i mention ACT.:-). Or anytime i mention people who inspire me i mentioned- Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), Dr. M Joann , , Russ & . No i don't think of anything as a harsh comment:-) Jazakallah khair for sharing your views, and i hope u do not mind me sharing mine:-)i always see and connect with people, not from what cuture, community, religion , they come from, but from how i can connect with them, as one human being to another. I have every sorta freinds i love and whose friendship i value dearly, from muslims, jews, christains, athiests, hindus etc. etc...and people who pratice all kinds of lifestyles, from devout rleigious to even 1 freind i have who;s in the porn industry. What religon they partice and what lifestyle they have is not my business as that is a personal preference. i like to connect with people based on what we have in common as humans rather than what differences we may have.if i have infact misunderstood ur post i do apologize. take care defletwasalaam:-)-K Designs.

"" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're already a mile away AND you have their shoes." ~ a very pious intellectual

To: ACT_for_the_Public From: michieux@...Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:20:27 +0000Subject: Re: Need your help... @

Hello ,I am wondering why you seem to emphasize your beliefs here. Seems to me the essence of ACT, despite its mindfulness aspect being compared to aspects of Buddhism, is essentially based in the reality of our experience, and how we tend to avoid that reality, thus aggravating our suffering.My reflections on my life experience have led me to see that some, though not all, of the pain I have experienced can be directly traced to the insane and stupid religious beliefs (in our case, Catholic) of my parents.The above may appear as a harsh condemnation of something many hold sacred, but I see that very "holding sacred" of unverifiable beliefs as part of the problem, and not as part of the resolution of our suffering.Regards,Detlef