Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I am sorry to read your friend's suffering. I can think of acupunture, emergency neural therapy (not the corrective kind, but the urgent one), infrared sauna and a deep pressure massage afterwards with essential oils of antiinfkammatory nature (like frankincense), oral sacred frankincese to reduce inflammation, lots o M water to reduce toxins, laser on the spine, EFT , last but not least, coffee enemas... I have experienced great relief of strong pain with this. Hope they feel better soon.Isa Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:12:55 -0500To: <lymestrategies >; 'Lyme'<Lyme_Rife >; <Lyme_Aid_Buhner >; <DougPlus >; <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >; <Lyme-Aid >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Pain relief I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are experiencing extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post two of them for example below. I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. Thanks! www.lyme-resource.comYou can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - -Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think of the worst flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along with a burning sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the headaches that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I already take GLA anyway. > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER last night > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not take anymore. Cried > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every type of > > > > > pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing worked. I even > > > > > took Vicodin- didn't do a darn thing... and NO I am not on Rifampin > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like crazy... Not the > > > > > BABS.... the Bart.> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I don't know of any one thing that will rid pain, but using several things together works for us. For us, we use several anti-inflammatories at the same time. I know that cod liver oil is often used with antibiotics. But, I don't know what else can be. Turmeric and bromelain and emu oil are anti-inflammatories as well, that I notice much with. Goji at high doses (it's just fruit) but comes in capsules, works well for me during the rain or right before it rains when I get the most symptoms; but at high doses it might work well for everyday inflammation. I don't need more, so I don't take more; but it's known as a anti-inflammatory. Mellatonin is such a rescue for me for migraines. I can take 4mg on a migraine day and lose the migraine when nothing else will work, not even things known for strong die-off. These things don't rid; they just reduce the inflammation so one can function while waiting for the body to heal. Lots of vitamin C, such as buffured C powder mixed in juice, give my muscles a calming feeling. None of these alone may help much, but together, we can live like other people. Immusist has a way of making me feel " normal " , kind of an all over helper. For me, what happens is that I feel beat up when my immune system gets triggered, and everything swells. I actually go numb due to the swelling cutting off the nerve feelings. But, using all the things I mentioned enables me to live pain free and numb-free most of the time. Other family members have not had to have surgeries and such due to taking such things. I have other family members who only do what mainstream doc says for their pain, and they are getting hip and knee replacements, so that would be us if we didn't do the above. I believe in taking several safe, natural anti-inflammatories at the same time. You are likely not going to notice much with one, and then you will think it's not helping. So, this is why using at least 3 at the same time may be needed to notice improvement. I don't know what is good to take with antibiotics though. We have been on antibiotics short-term, and didn't notice interactions, but there are many different antibiotics out there and many different supplements. Two juices I get from my local store are prickly pear juice, which also can take me out of a migraine, amazingly. I have tried the capsules and they didn't work. It has to be the juice or fresh fruit. Another juice is coconut-pineapple, which are both known to kill pathogens, including yeast, and for inflammation. I guess there is research that says pineapple inhibits some meds, so that is something someone would have to consult docs about. But, for me, drinking this does wonders. I actually got strong die-off from some of the above, so don't be misguided into thinking that foods don't cause die-off because they will if you are quite ill. Thus, I start with small quantities and work up. Once my body is used to it, I only get relief and no more die-off. Love and prayers, Heidi N > > I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being treated > by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are experiencing extreme pain > and I am looking for ideas for them. I post two of them for example below. > > I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. > > Thanks! > > > www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> > You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > > _____ > > - > Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond joint > pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think of the worst flu you > ever had and then add bone cancer to that along with a burning sensation > under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the headaches that some of us > are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I already take GLA anyway. > > > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER last > night > > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not take anymore. Cried > > > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every type of > > > > > > pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing worked. I even > > > > > > took Vicodin- didn't do a darn thing... and NO I am not on > Rifampin > > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like crazy... Not the > > > > > > BABS.... the Bart. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Thanks Heidi! I will forward this and also to my wife who suffers at times from migraines! > Re: Pain relief > > I don't know of any one thing that will rid pain, but using > several things together works for us. For us, we use several > anti-inflammatories at the same time. I know that cod liver > oil is often used with antibiotics. But, I don't know what > else can be. Turmeric and bromelain and emu oil are > anti-inflammatories as well, that I notice much with. Goji at > high doses (it's just fruit) but comes in capsules, works > well for me during the rain or right before it rains when I > get the most symptoms; but at high doses it might work well > for everyday inflammation. I don't need more, so I don't > take more; but it's known as a anti-inflammatory. Mellatonin > is such a rescue for me for migraines. I can take 4mg on a > migraine day and lose the migraine when nothing else will > work, not even things known for strong die-off. > > These things don't rid; they just reduce the inflammation so > one can function while waiting for the body to heal. Lots of > vitamin C, such as buffured C powder mixed in juice, give my > muscles a calming feeling. None of these alone may help > much, but together, we can live like other people. Immusist > has a way of making me feel " normal " , kind of an all over > helper. For me, what happens is that I feel beat up when my > immune system gets triggered, and everything swells. I > actually go numb due to the swelling cutting off the nerve > feelings. But, using all the things I mentioned enables me > to live pain free and numb-free most of the time. Other > family members have not had to have surgeries and such due to > taking such things. I have other family members who only do > what mainstream doc says for their pain, and they are getting > hip and knee replacements, so that would be us if we didn't > do the above. I believe in taking several safe, natural > anti-inflammatories at the same time. You are likely not > going to notice much with one, and then you will think it's > not helping. So, this is why using at least 3 at the same > time may be needed to notice improvement. I don't know what > is good to take with antibiotics though. We have been on > antibiotics short-term, and didn't notice interactions, but > there are many different antibiotics out there and many > different supplements. Two juices I get from my local store > are prickly pear juice, which also can take me out of a > migraine, amazingly. I have tried the capsules and they > didn't work. It has to be the juice or fresh fruit. Another > juice is coconut-pineapple, which are both known to kill > pathogens, including yeast, and for inflammation. I guess > there is research that says pineapple inhibits some meds, so > that is something someone would have to consult docs about. > But, for me, drinking this does wonders. I actually got > strong die-off from some of the above, so don't be misguided > into thinking that foods don't cause die-off because they > will if you are quite ill. Thus, I start with small > quantities and work up. Once my body is used to it, I only > get relief and no more die-off. > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > > > > > > > > > I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being > > treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are > experiencing > > extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post > two of them for example below. > > > > I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> You > can lead a > > person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > > _____ > > > > - > > Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond > > joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think > of the worst > > flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along > with a burning > > sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the > headaches > > that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I > already take GLA anyway. > > > > > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER > > > > > > > last > > night > > > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not > take anymore. > > > > > > > Cried > > > > > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every > > > > > > > type of pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing > > > > > > > worked. I even took Vicodin- didn't do a darn > thing... and > > > > > > > NO I am not on > > Rifampin > > > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like > crazy... Not the > > > > > > > BABS.... the Bart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Thanks! I will forward it. I totally forgot about the pain relief in coffee enemas! I am not sure if they have considered this yet. From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of isaguzmandiaz2@...Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 9:48 AMTo: Borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism Subject: Re: Pain relief I am sorry to read your friend's suffering. I can think of acupunture, emergency neural therapy (not the corrective kind, but the urgent one), infrared sauna and a deep pressure massage afterwards with essential oils of antiinfkammatory nature (like frankincense), oral sacred frankincese to reduce inflammation, lots o M water to reduce toxins, laser on the spine, EFT , last but not least, coffee enemas... I have experienced great relief of strong pain with this. Hope they feel better soon.Isa Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 My Lyme doc prescribed lyrica for this type of pain. He said it is neurological pain, i.e. the borrelia are directly attacking the nerve, which is why ordinary pain meds do nothing. I only took it for a very short while because my pain was not that bad and it gave me side effects, but I think it would be worth trying for your friend in that much pain. > > > > > > I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being > > > treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are > > experiencing > > > extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post > > two of them for example below. > > > > > > I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> You > > can lead a > > > person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > > > _____ > > > > > > - > > > Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond > > > joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think > > of the worst > > > flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along > > with a burning > > > sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the > > headaches > > > that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I > > already take GLA anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER > > > > > > > > last > > > night > > > > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not > > take anymore. > > > > > > > > Cried > > > > > > > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every > > > > > > > > type of pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing > > > > > > > > worked. I even took Vicodin- didn't do a darn > > thing... and > > > > > > > > NO I am not on > > > Rifampin > > > > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like > > crazy... Not the > > > > > > > > BABS.... the Bart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 The best thing I have done is use Low Dose Naltrexone.You don't even need a prescript.I have extra if someone would like to try it.It is very cheap.My pain disappeared within a few minutes of taking my first dose.It was crazy.It was like clouds lifting(but it was actually pain) .I will answer or help with any LDN questions. Tammy F. I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are experiencing extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post two of them for example below. I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. Thanks! www.lyme-resource.com You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - - Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think of the worst flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along with a burning sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the headaches that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I already take GLA anyway. > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER last night > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not take anymore. Cried > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every type of > > > > > pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing worked. I even > > > > > took Vicodin- didn't do a darn thing... and NO I am not on Rifampin > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like crazy... Not the > > > > > BABS.... the Bart. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Thanks I will let them know! > Re: Pain relief > > My Lyme doc prescribed lyrica for this type of pain. He said > it is neurological pain, i.e. the borrelia are directly > attacking the nerve, which is why ordinary pain meds do nothing. > I only took it for a very short while because my pain was not > that bad and it gave me side effects, but I think it would be > worth trying for your friend in that much pain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily > > > > being treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are > > > experiencing > > > > extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post > > > two of them for example below. > > > > > > > > I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> You > > > can lead a > > > > person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > - > > > > Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included > are beyond > > > > joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think > > > of the worst > > > > flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along > > > with a burning > > > > sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the > > > headaches > > > > that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I > > > already take GLA anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to > go to the ER > > > > > > > > > last > > > > night > > > > > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not > > > take anymore. > > > > > > > > > Cried > > > > > > > > > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I > tried every > > > > > > > > > type of pain med throughout the day that I had an > > > > > > > > > nothing worked. I even took Vicodin- didn't do a darn > > > thing... and > > > > > > > > > NO I am not on > > > > Rifampin > > > > > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been > changed and > > > > > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like > > > crazy... Not the > > > > > > > > > BABS.... the Bart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Wow thanks for the tip Tammy! I will forward it From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Tammy F.Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 12:41 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Pain relief The best thing I have done is use Low Dose Naltrexone.You don't even need a prescript.I have extra if someone would like to try it.It is very cheap.My pain disappeared within a few minutes of taking my first dose.It was crazy.It was like clouds lifting(but it was actually pain) .I will answer or help with any LDN questions. Tammy F. I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are experiencing extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post two of them for example below. I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. Thanks! www.lyme-resource.comYou can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - - Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think of the worst flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along with a burning sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the headaches that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I already take GLA anyway. > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER last night > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not take anymore. Cried > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every type of > > > > > pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing worked. I even > > > > > took Vicodin- didn't do a darn thing... and NO I am not on Rifampin > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like crazy... Not the > > > > > BABS.... the Bart.> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I am not understanding that you don't need a prescription. It's a prescribed medicine. I have heard lots of good from it, even for those with autism, and also for lots of other medical problems. Love and prayers, Heidi N > > The best thing I have done is use Low Dose Naltrexone.You don't even > need a prescript.I have extra if someone would like to try it.It is very > cheap.My pain disappeared within a few minutes of taking my first > dose.It was crazy.It was like clouds lifting(but it was actually pain) > .I will answer or help with any LDN questions. Tammy F. > > > > I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being > > treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are experiencing > > extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post two of them > > for example below. > > I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. > > Thanks! > > > > www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> > > You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > - > > Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond > > joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think of the worst > > flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along with a burning > > sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the headaches > > that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I already take > > GLA anyway. > > > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER last > > night > > > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not take anymore. > > Cried > > > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every type of > > > > > > > pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing worked. I even > > > > > > > took Vicodin- didn't do a darn thing... and NO I am not on > > Rifampin > > > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like crazy... Not the > > > > > > > BABS.... the Bart. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 You can use it both ways. http://www.webspawner.com/users/howtoobtainldn/index.html ..Heres more imfo.. Tammy F. I am not understanding that you don't need a prescription. It's a prescribed medicine. I have heard lots of good from it, even for those with autism, and also for lots of other medical problems. Love and prayers, Heidi N > > The best thing I have done is use Low Dose Naltrexone.You don't even > need a prescript.I have extra if someone would like to try it.It is very > cheap.My pain disappeared within a few minutes of taking my first > dose.It was crazy.It was like clouds lifting(but it was actually pain) > .I will answer or help with any LDN questions. Tammy F. > > > > I have a couple of friends on another forum who are primarily being > > treated by LLMDs and using standard antibiotics. Many are experiencing > > extreme pain and I am looking for ideas for them. I post two of them > > for example below. > > I will forward any idea that I haven't heard them mention. > > Thanks! > > > > www.lyme-resource.com <http://www.lyme-resource.com/> > > You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > Thanks for the suggestion, a lot of us, myself included are beyond > > joint pain. I have pain on every spot in my body. Think of the worst > > flu you ever had and then add bone cancer to that along with a burning > > sensation under the skin and in the muscles. Nevermind the headaches > > that some of us are getting. EPO ain't gonna cut it. I already take > > GLA anyway. > > > > > > > I was 2 steps from crawling out the door to go to the ER last > > night > > > > > > > for this excruciating pain that I just can not take anymore. > > Cried > > > > > > > all day in horrific pain all over my body. I tried every type of > > > > > > > pain med throughout the day that I had an nothing worked. I even > > > > > > > took Vicodin- didn't do a darn thing... and NO I am not on > > Rifampin > > > > > > > anymore. And- Yes, Mike, my meds have been changed and > > > > > > > reduced.... lol. My BART is coming out like crazy... Not the > > > > > > > BABS.... the Bart. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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