Guest guest Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 naI think the results you are seeing are amazing!!! Keep doing it, even if it is only the low dose, know the surfactanct is doing its job! To see those bugs alive leaving the body is a clear sign of the inner atmosphere not being liked by them....that is what u can SEE, let's not talk about those u Can't see... They are leaving the body too, little by little. Worms are carriers of other pathogens, so it is good they don't like it there anymore... !!!!IsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:27:19 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: surfactant question Hello!I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some familiar names on the board.I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it.Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea?Thanks so much!na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 na, I just left you an e-mail in return to the personal off-list inquiry...your on-list post actually just gave me further insight to put this together...so I've copied what I replied off-list (just to help me expidite responding on-list)...then modified it based on the additional info you gave me on-list: na, Immusist does have anti-parasitic properties...so the worms are not a surprise (surprised they were not dead...the body appears to have just pushed them out...wow, interesting stuff....I've experienced parasites on plants dying...but the body just pushing the load out is very interesting in deed). The immune system will go after the invader/toxin that it feels it can handle that's the biggest stress in the order that it determines would be the most benefitial to the body....we also find a cycle... killing viruses can dump metals which will kick up yeast....so you may find some fluctuating in their behaviours depending on what their bodies are trying to tackle...with Immusist we do not see severe swings, but it does tend to alert us to add on more binders & cycle in things that will help take down a layer (ie for example, we'll up our chlorella to help bind & chelate the metals, or add extra anti-fungals like Pau de'arco if we're seeing extra yeast symptoms kicking-up) My thoughts on the pin-worms....our docs say to treat parasites 1st...so this would be a good thing for a kick-off to your die-off....here's a copy of a couple of the Powerpoint slides on parasites from DrA's TACA presentation (check group Files) for your additional review: " Clinical signs of parasites • Rashes on the chest or neck • Discoloration around the mouth • Males often have risky behaviors • Aggravations around the full moon (bloating, irritation, etc) • Pimples on the head within the hair (newer stool test from Metametrix uses a DNA probe for better sensitivity) My favorites for treating parasites (the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat) • BioPure organic freeze dried garlic • Rizol oils • Artemesia pulsed in high doses 3 days on every 2-3 weeks • Vermox/Mebendazole (100mg BID * 3days, then repeat after 3 weeks) • Biltricide (600mg TID for one day then repeat in 2-3 weeks) • Alinia (prescription dose varies) • YES Herbal liquid • It seems to be very effective to follow prescription parasite medications with homeopathic support My further thoughts: Keep using the Immusist as it's helping engage the body detox (congestion is on the list as a detox symptom...I believe that part is detox...getting rid of the garbage is a really, really good thing!!!). btw, how many drops are you on? To help the congestion I'd like to recommend Xylitol nose spray to keep it moving (for us we add a dropper full of LDM-100 to further assist in the anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal)...the Xylitol in itself is also anti-viral/anti-bacterial & it will help keep it moist to further helping remove the mucas. I'd also give extra binders right now...just up slightly what you are already on....I'd also make sure you're using a little bit more probiotic as good bacteria fights bad bacteria. Back to the parasites: One of the 1st things DrA says in the powerpoint... " (the most difficult to lab test, but the first thing to treat) " ...so it's a very good thing that they are moving out....I'd be tempted at this point to try & help it further out...you wouldn't happen to have any Artemesia or Rizol oils available to dose right now would you....if so, ramp them up & dose right now to help the body get rid of them faster ...the best worm is a dead one leaving the body! (If all that you have on hand to help this layer along is the Vermox then I'd go ahead & get it on-board to further help the body get rid of them...it sounds like it's very ready to rid the little pests). I am quite excited about this report....I have some really cool reports coming in off-lists....please keep me posted, I truely want to follow & learn from this one!! Blessings!!! Rita > > Hello! > I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some familiar names on the board. > > I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. > > The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it. > > Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea? > > Thanks so much! > na > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Just saying, that we get the same effect as you are describing. We have passed both alive and dead ones. I think when they come out alive, they are confused, so they are probably in the process of dying and just plain either forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to flee the environment. I have a bad cold right now and am celebrating because I too stopped getting ill when my disabling chronic systems started. I would rather get colds, for sure!!!!! This surfactant stuff is very interesting! Love and prayers, Heidi N Hello! I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some familiar names on the board. I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it. Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea? Thanks so much! na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Thank you all for sharing your thoughts on this. I am excited, too, as I've thought/known for awhile that we were dealing with parasites...it is so good to see those suckers leave ) I am very intrigued by the surfactants, too. I have one more question. I am not very good at figuring out if we are seeing yeast or viral flare up. If I just keep her on Immusist and don't add the extra anti-viral or anti-fungals, will it eventually all even-out or do you have to add the additional products in order to be successful? Rita- thank you so much for all your help. My daughter is on two drops in the AM and one in the early afternoon. Is this too much? I thought about scaling back, but she is pretty tough. She has been extra sleepy and whiney though, all week. It's great to hear from everyone on here. Just a little update on my son--he was evaluated last week by our county regional center to see if he qualifies for an ASD diagnosis. He did not receive a diagnosis of any kind. The psychologist who evaluated him said she sees some soft signs of ASD (odd vocal pitch, rigid speech, slight social delay), but not enough to even give a diagnosis of PDD. My son will by three in two weeks. At 24 months, he had lost all words, obsessively lined up objects, toe-walked, hand flapped, tantrumed, and was socially isolated. We have done many interventions and different times (biomed with an LLMD, osteopathy, homeopathy, biofeedback, diet), so I do not know what exactly has worked, but I am so happy with his progress. I don't feel that we are home-free by any means, but his progress has been very encouraging and keeps me fighting everyday. Thanks again! na > > Just saying, that we get the same effect as you are describing. We have > passed both alive and dead ones. I think when they come out alive, they > are confused, so they are probably in the process of dying and just > plain either forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to > flee the environment. I have a bad cold right now and am celebrating > because I too stopped getting ill when my disabling chronic systems > started. I would rather get colds, for sure!!!!! This surfactant stuff > is very interesting! > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > Hello! > I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some > familiar names on the board. > > I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking > about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter > (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might > boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a > load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the > product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my > child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. > > The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I > always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it. > > Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, > too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our > pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up > the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea? > > Thanks so much! > na > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 na, As you can see already by the physical expelling of them, the surfactants alone will take care of them...adding other things will only get the job done a little faster. Personally for me I keep the surfactants as a main base then I add in the more gentle natural things, mainly whole food/herbal based beside them....to me that also includes things like lasers & some homeopathic things...for a couple of years now I have not used rx drugs, though some in the WA group do rx's w/it. So if you are interested in a slower gentler detox that supports what the body wants to do (this is what I generally do) then just let the surfactants do their thing & help it out w/stuff that's more natural/food based. I personally stayed on my base protocol (so did all in our WA group, this includes some basics like good diet, probiotics & other anti-fungals (favorites are some of the naturals like Pau de'Arco, binders (Important...you have a good possiblility of having to increase these...this helps, it really does...the binders we are finding the most benefitial in 2 of the children that were not on many binders starting this were the chewable alfalfa & of course BioPures Chlorella), MB12 in some form (we use the raspberry chewables, have used in the past but not needed now both nasal & nebulized MB12, others in our WA group use shots....1 of the children in our group was not on it so started him without it...he's still seeing nice gains so it is not an essential if the child was not on it, but definately something benefitial to work toward after the body has kick-started w/the surfactants). Same thing for additional anti-virals, anti-fungals & chelators they are not essential, you'll still see gains & the body will detox/heal w/out adding anything else, bringing other things on board (I include homeopathy in that) will just assist the body to do it's job. The main thing in my experience at this point in time is the surfactants followed by binders to bind up & help the body dispose of the detox. Here's my thoughts on the dosage....can't prove anything...just my experienced mom-o-meter here based on what you've described. Up it to 2 drops 2x a day for about 4 days as shes detoxing the parasites...then depending on how she's doing let's look at upping it 1 more drop to 3 drops 2x a day (that's what most of our kids are low dose stabalizing on...they'll hold there for a week or so then look at bumping up a drop again). Regarding the tiredness....this is not a small job...just detoxing like this is hard work & tiredness is a detox symptom...also, her tummy has got to hurt w/the pests in there fighting to " get a grip " . I'm recommending you go up a drop because it is safe & effective & I think adding more will help detox this difficult garbage better. I'm pretty much thinking there is enough surfactant to push out the critters (giving them an environment they do not like including an immune system that's attacking them) but not enough to encapsulate & kill them...let's give her a little more surfactant base to help her through this tough detox situation. Make sure you have her on binders because detoxing parasites will kick up amonia & other things...binding up the crap w/help w/the tummy aches. Did this in a hurry 'cause I Gotta go get the kids....hope I remembered to answer everything...if not, throw back to me what I missed & I'll check back on the group later tonight. ps...I was just given permission from one of our WA moms to post up the e-mail about her son too...really cool stuff...I can't wait to share ) Blessings, Rita > > > > Just saying, that we get the same effect as you are describing. We have > > passed both alive and dead ones. I think when they come out alive, they > > are confused, so they are probably in the process of dying and just > > plain either forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to > > flee the environment. I have a bad cold right now and am celebrating > > because I too stopped getting ill when my disabling chronic systems > > started. I would rather get colds, for sure!!!!! This surfactant stuff > > is very interesting! > > > > Love and prayers, > > > > Heidi N > > > > > > Hello! > > I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some > > familiar names on the board. > > > > I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking > > about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter > > (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might > > boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a > > load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the > > product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my > > child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. > > > > The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I > > always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it. > > > > Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, > > too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our > > pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up > > the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea? > > > > Thanks so much! > > na > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I've been thinking about this on/off the last few days & what has hit me is...I'm not a scientist so can't prove it, but with as quick as those worms were expelled (3 days..wow...and some still alive...) I just can't help thinking maybe someone someday can prove the below hypothesis... My thoughts go back to Isa & Heidi's comments about the bad environment... What came to me was based on our Herbalists comment about the LDM-100...from our " LDM-100 Recap " in the group Files: " 6. It not only kills the virus, it also makes the cell slippery so the virus claws fall off the cells. " My thoughts that go with this is that surfactants in general are slippery....we use surfactants of different kinds to clean/grease things. The main job of these surfactant is to reduce the surface tension of the cells...ie make them slippery so they work better together. Heidi, your comment " forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to flee the environment " was absolutely brilliant... so what if the environment became slippery so the pests could not latch on.....then add a better working immune system attacking them so the body could mount an easier defense in getting rid of the pest that was having a difficult time latching/feeding..weekening them...you'd end up w/the dump that you experienced in just 3 days..... wow...this is interesting stuff....can't prove anything, just passing my thoughts. Thanks for your input!! Blessings, Rita > > Just saying, that we get the same effect as you are describing. We have > passed both alive and dead ones. I think when they come out alive, they > are confused, so they are probably in the process of dying and just > plain either forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to > flee the environment. I have a bad cold right now and am celebrating > because I too stopped getting ill when my disabling chronic systems > started. I would rather get colds, for sure!!!!! This surfactant stuff > is very interesting! > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > Hello! > I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some > familiar names on the board. > > I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking > about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter > (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might > boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a > load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the > product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my > child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. > > The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I > always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it. > > Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, > too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our > pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up > the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea? > > Thanks so much! > na > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I've been reading these surfactant threads with great interest. I'm about to start low dose naltrexone, as I have cfs and bartonella (I'm having a hard time getting rid of it). I would love to try the surfactant, but am wondering if that would be compatible with the LDN? Is anyone taking the surfactant taking the LDN too? But then maybe it would not be necessary.. but after reading this hypothesis about how it acts to make cells slippery, it would seem it's immune boosting properties work in an entirely different way than the ldn. Any thoughts about this?To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism From: rchildbalance@...Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:10:56 +0000Subject: Re: surfactant question I've been thinking about this on/off the last few days & what has hit me is...I'm not a scientist so can't prove it, but with as quick as those worms were expelled (3 days..wow...and some still alive...) I just can't help thinking maybe someone someday can prove the below hypothesis... My thoughts go back to Isa & Heidi's comments about the bad environment... What came to me was based on our Herbalists comment about the LDM-100...from our "LDM-100 Recap" in the group Files: "6. It not only kills the virus, it also makes the cell slippery so the virus claws fall off the cells." My thoughts that go with this is that surfactants in general are slippery....we use surfactants of different kinds to clean/grease things. The main job of these surfactant is to reduce the surface tension of the cells...ie make them slippery so they work better together. Heidi, your comment "forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to flee the environment" was absolutely brilliant... so what if the environment became slippery so the pests could not latch on.....then add a better working immune system attacking them so the body could mount an easier defense in getting rid of the pest that was having a difficult time latching/feeding..weekening them...you'd end up w/the dump that you experienced in just 3 days..... wow...this is interesting stuff....can't prove anything, just passing my thoughts. Thanks for your input!! Blessings, Rita > > Just saying, that we get the same effect as you are describing. We have > passed both alive and dead ones. I think when they come out alive, they > are confused, so they are probably in the process of dying and just > plain either forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to > flee the environment. I have a bad cold right now and am celebrating > because I too stopped getting ill when my disabling chronic systems > started. I would rather get colds, for sure!!!!! This surfactant stuff > is very interesting! > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > Hello! > I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some > familiar names on the board. > > I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking > about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter > (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might > boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a > load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the > product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my > child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. > > The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I > always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it. > > Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, > too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our > pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up > the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea? > > Thanks so much! > na > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 It's definitely a good theory. I am just so thankful I got to see the parasites with my own eyes. I can't tell you how long I have been struggling to figure out the digestion issues and growth problems. I'm sure there is more to it than just parasites, but I'm hopeful she will at least be getting more nutrients now and hopefully grow more normally. It's amazing how she started displaying typical parasite signs since starting the Vermox--grinding teeth, eating sticks at the park, digging in our trash to find food, hyperactivity at bedtime, etc. We are at 3 drops in the AM and 2 in the PM of the surfactant. I will move her to 3/3 tomorrow. Thanks Rita!! na > > > > Just saying, that we get the same effect as you are describing. We have > > passed both alive and dead ones. I think when they come out alive, they > > are confused, so they are probably in the process of dying and just > > plain either forgot how to latch on to the intestines or are trying to > > flee the environment. I have a bad cold right now and am celebrating > > because I too stopped getting ill when my disabling chronic systems > > started. I would rather get colds, for sure!!!!! This surfactant stuff > > is very interesting! > > > > Love and prayers, > > > > Heidi N > > > > > > Hello! > > I haven't posted here in a really long time, but it's nice to see some > > familiar names on the board. > > > > I have had a bottle of the surfactant that others on here are talking > > about for many months without use. I decided to try it with my daughter > > (18 months old) on Monday because she had a cold and I thought it might > > boost her immune system a little. Well...three days later she passed a > > load of pinworms in her stool. Is this a coincidence or is this from the > > product? All of her cold symptoms have been enhanced, too. She is my > > child that NEVER gets sick...which I've always found odd. > > > > The other thing I found strange was that the pinworms were alive. I > > always assumed the worms would come out dead if the body killed it. > > > > Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on this. She takes colostrum, > > too, on a daily basis. CLO, fish oil, and is on the GAPS diet. Our > > pediatrician prescribed Vermox for the pinworms, but I haven't picked up > > the prescription yet. Do you guys think this is a good idea? > > > > Thanks so much! > > na > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 We are not on LDN, but have not had any interactions in all these years with any of our natural supps and short periods of antibiotics. But, we have not done any other prescriptions, except one family member on a low dose of high blood pressure meds. I always start off with a tiny amount just in case there is an interaction. If I were to guess how surfactants work, I would say it balances or allows things to happen that need to happen. Somehow it breaks down barriers that have been keeping us from ridding the pathogens and toxins we have obtained. I guess this is why we still benefit from taking things to kill our pathogens and for detoxing. Now that the barrier is down, our fighters can get fighting. This is just my guess from my experience. I can't wait to learn more about them; in time, I am sure we will. Love and prayers, Heidi N I've been reading these surfactant threads with great interest. I'm about to start low dose naltrexone, as I have cfs and bartonella (I'm having a hard time getting rid of it). I would love to try the surfactant, but am wondering if that would be compatible with the LDN? Is anyone taking the surfactant taking the LDN too? But then maybe it would not be necessary.. but after reading this hypothesis about how it acts to make cells slippery, it would seem it's immune boosting properties work in an entirely different way than the ldn. Any thoughts about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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