Guest guest Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Could you see the pinworms? What do they look like?RuthSent from my iPhone Hello! Just wanted to share where we are in our recent use of Immusist. I will recap quickly: My daughter is 18 months. She does not have ASD like my son, but does have congenital lyme and co-infections. We have treated her biomedically since discovering her diagnosis at 8 months. We have used only herbal formulas for detox and antimicrobials. In many ways she is doing well and up to speed for her age. She's always been at the bottom of the growth chart, despite having a big appetite and being on the GAPS/SCD diet her whole life. As she has detoxed, we have seen recurrent yeast overgrowths, additionally we have seen good results from anti-virals. Of particular note, my daughter NEVER had symptoms of a cold, flu, or anything and is around other children all the time. I always found this to be odd. I recently started giving her colostrum because one of our practitioners recommended it for my son and we saw great things with him on it. Well, after about a month on colostrum, she had her first actual cold with a runny nose and cough. She was having a really hard time recovering and I was worried she'd develop an infection so I looked through my huge supplement cabinet and saw the Immusist that I purchased but never tried because it was around the time we started classical homeopathy with my son. It says on the bottle "Assists Immune Systems"...so I thought...perfect! On the third day of Immusist, pinworms came out in her stool! Not at all what I was expecting...but very happy to have concrete proof of something I had suspected for a long time. We started her on Vermox and it proved to be a pretty bad pinworm infection. This week, she developed a red rash on her hands, feet, and patches around her nose and under her right eye (they looked sorta like red-wine stain birthmarks). When I bathed her that night, the skin felt slimy like the surfactant came up through her skin. I wasn't sure what was going on, but the next day the rash was gone and she had a huge cognitive and language burst, then the next day was yeast. Therefore, I think she has started detoxing something deeper that hasn't come out in previous detox rounds. We are at 2 drops/2 times a day. I am giving anti-fungals now trying to get the yeast under control, but happy that we are seeing such progress! Her distended belly has gone down significantly. It is strange to see an 18 month old toe-walking, but I am pretty sure this is a yeast sign, right? I remember my son starting this after a round of antibiotics when he was 15 months old. He still does this after a viral die-off, but I am not very good at figuring out the signs. I just want to say thank you to Rita for introducing this product to our family. It is still very early on, but I am hopeful after seeing such remarkable changes in a short time. na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yes...definitely. They were moving (gag)! They looked like white thin stringy worms (about 1/2 inch in length). If they had been dead, I might have thought they were pieces of undigested shredded chicken. You get the idea?! I think Rita's theory about the worms losing traction might hold true for us. The surfactant product feels like dish soap. I imagine the pinworms sorta slipping out...but I don't know for sure! na > > > Hello! > > Just wanted to share where we are in our recent use of Immusist. I will recap quickly: My daughter is 18 months. She does not have ASD like my son, but does have congenital lyme and co-infections. We have treated her biomedically since discovering her diagnosis at 8 months. We have used only herbal formulas for detox and antimicrobials. In many ways she is doing well and up to speed for her age. She's always been at the bottom of the growth chart, despite having a big appetite and being on the GAPS/SCD diet her whole life. As she has detoxed, we have seen recurrent yeast overgrowths, additionally we have seen good results from anti-virals. > > > > Of particular note, my daughter NEVER had symptoms of a cold, flu, or anything and is around other children all the time. I always found this to be odd. I recently started giving her colostrum because one of our practitioners recommended it for my son and we saw great things with him on it. Well, after about a month on colostrum, she had her first actual cold with a runny nose and cough. She was having a really hard time recovering and I was worried she'd develop an infection so I looked through my huge supplement cabinet and saw the Immusist that I purchased but never tried because it was around the time we started classical homeopathy with my son. It says on the bottle " Assists Immune Systems " ...so I thought...perfect! > > > > On the third day of Immusist, pinworms came out in her stool! Not at all what I was expecting...but very happy to have concrete proof of something I had suspected for a long time. We started her on Vermox and it proved to be a pretty bad pinworm infection. This week, she developed a red rash on her hands, feet, and patches around her nose and under her right eye (they looked sorta like red-wine stain birthmarks). When I bathed her that night, the skin felt slimy like the surfactant came up through her skin. I wasn't sure what was going on, but the next day the rash was gone and she had a huge cognitive and language burst, then the next day was yeast. Therefore, I think she has started detoxing something deeper that hasn't come out in previous detox rounds. > > > > We are at 2 drops/2 times a day. I am giving anti-fungals now trying to get the yeast under control, but happy that we are seeing such progress! Her distended belly has gone down significantly. It is strange to see an 18 month old toe-walking, but I am pretty sure this is a yeast sign, right? I remember my son starting this after a round of antibiotics when he was 15 months old. He still does this after a viral die-off, but I am not very good at figuring out the signs. > > > > I just want to say thank you to Rita for introducing this product to our family. It is still very early on, but I am hopeful after seeing such remarkable changes in a short time. > > > > na > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Eeewe! But at the same time cool that they are OUT. Can you just put the drops in juice?Ruth Yes...definitely. They were moving (gag)! They looked like white thin stringy worms (about 1/2 inch in length). If they had been dead, I might have thought they were pieces of undigested shredded chicken. You get the idea?! I think Rita's theory about the worms losing traction might hold true for us. The surfactant product feels like dish soap. I imagine the pinworms sorta slipping out...but I don't know for sure! na > > > Hello! > > Just wanted to share where we are in our recent use of Immusist. I will recap quickly: My daughter is 18 months. She does not have ASD like my son, but does have congenital lyme and co-infections. We have treated her biomedically since discovering her diagnosis at 8 months. We have used only herbal formulas for detox and antimicrobials. In many ways she is doing well and up to speed for her age. She's always been at the bottom of the growth chart, despite having a big appetite and being on the GAPS/SCD diet her whole life. As she has detoxed, we have seen recurrent yeast overgrowths, additionally we have seen good results from anti-virals. > > > > Of particular note, my daughter NEVER had symptoms of a cold, flu, or anything and is around other children all the time. I always found this to be odd. I recently started giving her colostrum because one of our practitioners recommended it for my son and we saw great things with him on it. Well, after about a month on colostrum, she had her first actual cold with a runny nose and cough. She was having a really hard time recovering and I was worried she'd develop an infection so I looked through my huge supplement cabinet and saw the Immusist that I purchased but never tried because it was around the time we started classical homeopathy with my son. It says on the bottle "Assists Immune Systems"...so I thought...perfect! > > > > On the third day of Immusist, pinworms came out in her stool! Not at all what I was expecting...but very happy to have concrete proof of something I had suspected for a long time. We started her on Vermox and it proved to be a pretty bad pinworm infection. This week, she developed a red rash on her hands, feet, and patches around her nose and under her right eye (they looked sorta like red-wine stain birthmarks). When I bathed her that night, the skin felt slimy like the surfactant came up through her skin. I wasn't sure what was going on, but the next day the rash was gone and she had a huge cognitive and language burst, then the next day was yeast. Therefore, I think she has started detoxing something deeper that hasn't come out in previous detox rounds. > > > > We are at 2 drops/2 times a day. I am giving anti-fungals now trying to get the yeast under control, but happy that we are seeing such progress! Her distended belly has gone down significantly. It is strange to see an 18 month old toe-walking, but I am pretty sure this is a yeast sign, right? I remember my son starting this after a round of antibiotics when he was 15 months old. He still does this after a viral die-off, but I am not very good at figuring out the signs. > > > > I just want to say thank you to Rita for introducing this product to our family. It is still very early on, but I am hopeful after seeing such remarkable changes in a short time. > > > > na > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong and sticks around for a while. > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > Just wanted to share where we are in our recent use of Immusist. > > I will recap quickly: My daughter is 18 months. She does not have > > ASD like my son, but does have congenital lyme and co-infections. We > > have treated her biomedically since discovering her diagnosis at 8 > > months. We have used only herbal formulas for detox and > > antimicrobials. In many ways she is doing well and up to speed for > > her age. She's always been at the bottom of the growth chart, > > despite having a big appetite and being on the GAPS/SCD diet her > > whole life. As she has detoxed, we have seen recurrent yeast > > overgrowths, additionally we have seen good results from anti-virals. > > > > > > > > Of particular note, my daughter NEVER had symptoms of a cold, > > flu, or anything and is around other children all the time. I always > > found this to be odd. I recently started giving her colostrum > > because one of our practitioners recommended it for my son and we > > saw great things with him on it. Well, after about a month on > > colostrum, she had her first actual cold with a runny nose and > > cough. She was having a really hard time recovering and I was > > worried she'd develop an infection so I looked through my huge > > supplement cabinet and saw the Immusist that I purchased but never > > tried because it was around the time we started classical homeopathy > > with my son. It says on the bottle " Assists Immune Systems " ...so I > > thought...perfect! > > > > > > > > On the third day of Immusist, pinworms came out in her stool! > > Not at all what I was expecting...but very happy to have concrete > > proof of something I had suspected for a long time. We started her > > on Vermox and it proved to be a pretty bad pinworm infection. This > > week, she developed a red rash on her hands, feet, and patches > > around her nose and under her right eye (they looked sorta like red- > > wine stain birthmarks). When I bathed her that night, the skin felt > > slimy like the surfactant came up through her skin. I wasn't sure > > what was going on, but the next day the rash was gone and she had a > > huge cognitive and language burst, then the next day was yeast. > > Therefore, I think she has started detoxing something deeper that > > hasn't come out in previous detox rounds. > > > > > > > > We are at 2 drops/2 times a day. I am giving anti-fungals now > > trying to get the yeast under control, but happy that we are seeing > > such progress! Her distended belly has gone down significantly. It > > is strange to see an 18 month old toe-walking, but I am pretty sure > > this is a yeast sign, right? I remember my son starting this after a > > round of antibiotics when he was 15 months old. He still does this > > after a viral die-off, but I am not very good at figuring out the > > signs. > > > > > > > > I just want to say thank you to Rita for introducing this > > product to our family. It is still very early on, but I am hopeful > > after seeing such remarkable changes in a short time. > > > > > > > > na > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Never said it tasted good... mix in a small shot size glass w/some juice (@ this time of night my husband recommends a good Jack s )...hope you know that's a late night joke...) ....follow immediately w/a full glass of water chaser. Surfactants are edible soaps... also, being a soap...it can bubble up when poured or shaken stirred or mixed. Because of the bubles & extra air it can also tend to give a pretty good belch depending on the dose.... We just get through it for the sake of improved health... Blessings, Rita > > > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > Just wanted to share where we are in our recent use of Immusist. > > > I will recap quickly: My daughter is 18 months. She does not have > > > ASD like my son, but does have congenital lyme and co-infections. We > > > have treated her biomedically since discovering her diagnosis at 8 > > > months. We have used only herbal formulas for detox and > > > antimicrobials. In many ways she is doing well and up to speed for > > > her age. She's always been at the bottom of the growth chart, > > > despite having a big appetite and being on the GAPS/SCD diet her > > > whole life. As she has detoxed, we have seen recurrent yeast > > > overgrowths, additionally we have seen good results from anti-virals. > > > > > > > > > > Of particular note, my daughter NEVER had symptoms of a cold, > > > flu, or anything and is around other children all the time. I always > > > found this to be odd. I recently started giving her colostrum > > > because one of our practitioners recommended it for my son and we > > > saw great things with him on it. Well, after about a month on > > > colostrum, she had her first actual cold with a runny nose and > > > cough. She was having a really hard time recovering and I was > > > worried she'd develop an infection so I looked through my huge > > > supplement cabinet and saw the Immusist that I purchased but never > > > tried because it was around the time we started classical homeopathy > > > with my son. It says on the bottle " Assists Immune Systems " ...so I > > > thought...perfect! > > > > > > > > > > On the third day of Immusist, pinworms came out in her stool! > > > Not at all what I was expecting...but very happy to have concrete > > > proof of something I had suspected for a long time. We started her > > > on Vermox and it proved to be a pretty bad pinworm infection. This > > > week, she developed a red rash on her hands, feet, and patches > > > around her nose and under her right eye (they looked sorta like red- > > > wine stain birthmarks). When I bathed her that night, the skin felt > > > slimy like the surfactant came up through her skin. I wasn't sure > > > what was going on, but the next day the rash was gone and she had a > > > huge cognitive and language burst, then the next day was yeast. > > > Therefore, I think she has started detoxing something deeper that > > > hasn't come out in previous detox rounds. > > > > > > > > > > We are at 2 drops/2 times a day. I am giving anti-fungals now > > > trying to get the yeast under control, but happy that we are seeing > > > such progress! Her distended belly has gone down significantly. It > > > is strange to see an 18 month old toe-walking, but I am pretty sure > > > this is a yeast sign, right? I remember my son starting this after a > > > round of antibiotics when he was 15 months old. He still does this > > > after a viral die-off, but I am not very good at figuring out the > > > signs. > > > > > > > > > > I just want to say thank you to Rita for introducing this > > > product to our family. It is still very early on, but I am hopeful > > > after seeing such remarkable changes in a short time. > > > > > > > > > > na > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together. Love and prayers, Heidi N The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong and sticks around for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Could you put immusist and MMS in the same capsule?Keena What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together. Love and prayers, Heidi N The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong and sticks around for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I have used DMSO (also a surfactant) in the same protocol w MMS, but l do give them in separate timing. The purpose is to give the surfactant first so that it softens the cell walls, thus the MMS permeates deeper into it.Just my 0.02! ;-)IsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:19:15 -0600To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: Surfactant update Could you put immusist and MMS in the same capsule?Keena What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together.Love and prayers,Heidi NThe immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong and sticks around for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Thank you I have used DMSO (also a surfactant) in the same protocol w MMS, but l do give them in separate timing. The purpose is to give the surfactant first so that it softens the cell walls, thus the MMS permeates deeper into it.Just my 0.02! ;-)IsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel Sender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:19:15 -0600To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: Surfactant update Could you put immusist and MMS in the same capsule?Keena What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together. Love and prayers, Heidi N The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong and sticks around for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 On the Immusist bottle it says 16 drops three times daily for adults and half of this amount for children. Are any of the kids in this chatgroup up to 8 drops three times daily yet? Have any of the children gone higher than this dose? After starting, how long is it usually taking to see any reaction at all? > > > >> > >> What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I > >> put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of > >> glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this > >> trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the > >> taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together. > >> > >> Love and prayers, > >> > >> Heidi N > >> > >> The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong > >> and sticks around for a while. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Thinking through all the kids I know on this & the notes us moms have shared for the last year....I'd say No...I personally don't know any ASD child up to dose of 8 drops 3x daily. The highest dose I know of in our group is (13yo @ 95 lbs & I'd put him about 80% BioMedically recovered...this took 3-4 months to work up to...he's currently on 10 drops am + 10 drops pm. Most of the younger or less recovered kids that have been using it more than 2 months through the work up stage are pretty much holding between 5-8 drops 2x days. As always, reactions depend on the child & what stage of recovery they are in. The most dramatical/noticacable are the less recovered, especially the non-verbal, non-interactory....moms just notice & get more excited when the verbal/interactory starts or jumps up. For us, since he's so far along in his recovery, the gains weren't so apparent, but ART testing wise it pushed him to a new level of healing. The pediatricians child (3 now 4) noticed small changes gradually over the course of a few months...the eye contact took 6-8 months. The RN's child (5 - was non-verbal)had substantial increase in focus & increased attension span such that the teacher commented within 4 weeks....interactory play with his sister @ 8 weeks-same with his 1st spontanious word ( " more " ). Blessings, Rita > > > > > >> > > >> What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I > > >> put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of > > >> glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this > > >> trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the > > >> taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together. > > >> > > >> Love and prayers, > > >> > > >> Heidi N > > >> > > >> The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong > > >> and sticks around for a while. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Do you think it's all right to give it three times daily as the bottle suggests? I would rather give less drops more frequently throughout the day. > > > > > > > >> > > > >> What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I > > > >> put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of > > > >> glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this > > > >> trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the > > > >> taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together. > > > >> > > > >> Love and prayers, > > > >> > > > >> Heidi N > > > >> > > > >> The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong > > > >> and sticks around for a while. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I would not. I think that it needs to be in liquid, which is why I drink water immediately after taking it in the pill. Having taken a chemistry class, I don't think mixing things in the same capsule is good unless one knows it's ok, like the people who make herbal formulas and such. Love and prayers, Heidi N Could you put immusist and MMS in the same capsule? Keena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Toe walking can be a sign of gut pain, according to Dr. Tim Buie. Suzanne " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. " --Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I fully concur w/Heidi & ask you to not mix chemicals together w/o knowing the chemical reactions together....I am expecially concerned about mixing it w/MMS because of the reported concerns already w/the MMS product.... Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Mineral_Supplement > > I would not. I think that it needs to be in liquid, which is why I > drink water immediately after taking it in the pill. Having taken a > chemistry class, I don't think mixing things in the same capsule is good > unless one knows it's ok, like the people who make herbal formulas and > such. > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > Could you put immusist and MMS in the same capsule? > > Keena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Spreading it's use throughout the day does work....keeping in mind if you are trying to dose it w/something to help facilitate absorption...we do both dose absorption facilitation & all day: We give a morning dose (putting our designated drops in shot glass containers which we take w/our vit/minerals/CLO & LDM-100...using the surfactants to push our good stuff further). Because of our herbalists recommendation to drink room temp water we always keep a glass pitcher (pitcher is about a gallon w/a lid) on our counter w/our water. We put 1 drop into the pitcher then fill w/our water...it's cool, you'll see how even just 1 drop will bubble up. We'll drink this all day long including filling the school/work water bottles. We do not count this in our dosing per say because it's only 1 drop & we're all sharing it so it's hard to keep track of actual dosing...especially w/my dd/dh who are only on 5 drops a day, it just assures me that we are effortlessly spreading it's dosing throughout the day...which is a Really Good Thing!! Rita > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> What I do is buy empty gelatin capsules and put the drops in them. I > > > > >> put the drops in and then immediately swallow the pill with a half of > > > > >> glass of water. No one can taste it then. I would not go through this > > > > >> trouble if it didn't work so good. I don't notice a smell, but the > > > > >> taste is kind of soap-like, so I just avoid it all together. > > > > >> > > > > >> Love and prayers, > > > > >> > > > > >> Heidi N > > > > >> > > > > >> The immusist tastes like super concentrated new car smell. It is strong > > > > >> and sticks around for a while. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Depending on the kid toe walking can also be toxic metal dumping...binders sometimes help here. Generally I've found if it's also accompanied by extra saliva/drooling I'll lean toward metals dumping. Again, w/the surfactants this year 's very much on a mercury dump/chelation size toxic metals excretion this year w/just Immusist & chlorella (we recently added Cilantro as well because of this....mercury is documented @ ..63 on his Doctors Data Hair Toxic & Essential Elements Hair test dated 8/11/2011). Here's my notes from research I've done on symptoms of mercury toxicity: Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing, vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, incoordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal dysfunction or failure. July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and choreiform movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas. " > > Toe walking can be a sign of gut pain, according to Dr. Tim Buie. > > Suzanne > > " We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. " --Albert Einstein > > Sent from my iPad > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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