Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 I agree with Rick. My dad has stage 4 cancer and he can take WHATEVER meds he wants, but no MJ because of work and the turmoil in Illinois regarding medical use. So my poor dad goes to work right after chemo in pain and throwing up, as the medications don't do anything. I call BS also. Subject: Medical Cannabis To: tetheredspinalcord Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:06 PM  I dont use it but I 'like " your comment. Well said. Rick said the following on 3/28/2011 11:10 PM: > This is a typical response from a doc who doesnt work with medical cannabis.. > Most pain patients use vaporizers, elixers or edibles to negate the effects of > smoking (not all, there are people that just like to smoke) As for helping with > our type of nerve pain, it has helped many people with MS nerve pain, > Fibromyalgia nerve pain, ALS nerve pain, neuropathy, traumatic brain injury > nerve pain and most importantly SCI nerve pain so again...typical response from > a doc that relies on pharmaceutical reps to tell him what works for people and > has stereotypical ideas of marijuana. Just as there are misconceptions about > pain patients and narcotics there is even more surrounding cannabis. It is true > that it doesnt totally take the pain " away " , nothing does...but people report > that it puts a space between them and the pain, enough to function in a > comfortable way (not to mention relief from muscle spasms, its anti-inflamatory > properties and actually being able to sleep at night which makes a HUGE > difference in pain levels). Many patients have been able to return to work and > to the activities they love after years of incapacitating pain. They describe it > as being an observer of the pain, they know the pain is there but it isnt all > consuming and no longer limits their ability to perform physically. As Kathy > stated about narcotics, those who have been stabilized on it claim that it > > doesnt even affect their cognitive skills in fact one fellow has been a > successful stock broker for over 20 years handling millions of dollars in > investments. Personally, I will still say there are positions best left to the > unmedicated, whether it be narcotics or medical cannabis, but that is my own > personal opinion. > I am not saying it is the right thing for everyone but tens of thousands of > people have gotten their lives back using it responsibly so please dont dismiss > it so easily. It is serious medicine. My friend is going through chemotherapy > right now for breast cancer, she also has crohns and fibromyalgia. You cannot > even imagine how sick this has made her. It is the only thing that helps her, > the only thing. It is the only thing that stops the vomiting, helps the pain, > allows her to eat etc etc. It is a DAMN SHAME and a human rights violation as > far as I'm concerned for our government to tell a dying woman that she can have > all the damn heart rate/respiratory rate/bowel motility slowing, liver/kidney > damaging drugs that she wants but if she uses the one thing that gives her a > moment of relief or allows her to eat one morsal of food without puking she can > go to jail? It is inhumane. God forbid that someone could grow their own > medicine and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for their meds every month, > then add another hundred for meds to counteract the side effects of the first > meds. I call BS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Thanks Rick...I know I jumped up on my soapbox there for a minute but I have seen (and experienced) too much needless suffering due to ignorance and laws based on lies. ________________________________ To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 11:06:13 PM Subject: Medical Cannabis  I dont use it but I 'like " your comment. Well said. Rick said the following on 3/28/2011 11:10 PM: > This is a typical response from a doc who doesnt work with medical cannabis.. > Most pain patients use vaporizers, elixers or edibles to negate the effects of > smoking (not all, there are people that just like to smoke) As for helping with > > our type of nerve pain, it has helped many people with MS nerve pain, > Fibromyalgia nerve pain, ALS nerve pain, neuropathy, traumatic brain injury > nerve pain and most importantly SCI nerve pain so again...typical response from > > a doc that relies on pharmaceutical reps to tell him what works for people and > has stereotypical ideas of marijuana. Just as there are misconceptions about > pain patients and narcotics there is even more surrounding cannabis. It is true > > that it doesnt totally take the pain " away " , nothing does...but people report > that it puts a space between them and the pain, enough to function in a > comfortable way (not to mention relief from muscle spasms, its anti-inflamatory > > properties and actually being able to sleep at night which makes a HUGE > difference in pain levels). Many patients have been able to return to work and > to the activities they love after years of incapacitating pain. They describe >it > > as being an observer of the pain, they know the pain is there but it isnt all > consuming and no longer limits their ability to perform physically. As Kathy > stated about narcotics, those who have been stabilized on it claim that it > > doesnt even affect their cognitive skills in fact one fellow has been a > successful stock broker for over 20 years handling millions of dollars in > investments. Personally, I will still say there are positions best left to the > unmedicated, whether it be narcotics or medical cannabis, but that is my own > personal opinion. > I am not saying it is the right thing for everyone but tens of thousands of > people have gotten their lives back using it responsibly so please dont dismiss > > it so easily. It is serious medicine. My friend is going through chemotherapy > right now for breast cancer, she also has crohns and fibromyalgia. You cannot > even imagine how sick this has made her. It is the only thing that helps her, > the only thing. It is the only thing that stops the vomiting, helps the pain, > allows her to eat etc etc. It is a DAMN SHAME and a human rights violation as > far as I'm concerned for our government to tell a dying woman that she can have > > all the damn heart rate/respiratory rate/bowel motility slowing, liver/kidney > damaging drugs that she wants but if she uses the one thing that gives her a > moment of relief or allows her to eat one morsal of food without puking she can > > go to jail? It is inhumane. God forbid that someone could grow their own > medicine and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for their meds every month, > then add another hundred for meds to counteract the side effects of the first > meds. I call BS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Oh...I'm so sorry . I have watched so many in my family suffer with cancer and now my best friend. It is heartbreaking and just makes no sense. ________________________________ To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 9:00:51 AM Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis  I agree with Rick. My dad has stage 4 cancer and he can take WHATEVER meds he wants, but no MJ because of work and the turmoil in Illinois regarding medical use. So my poor dad goes to work right after chemo in pain and throwing up, as the medications don't do anything. I call BS also. Subject: Medical Cannabis To: tetheredspinalcord Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:06 PM  I dont use it but I 'like " your comment. Well said. Rick said the following on 3/28/2011 11:10 PM: > This is a typical response from a doc who doesnt work with medical cannabis.. > Most pain patients use vaporizers, elixers or edibles to negate the effects of > smoking (not all, there are people that just like to smoke) As for helping with > > our type of nerve pain, it has helped many people with MS nerve pain, > Fibromyalgia nerve pain, ALS nerve pain, neuropathy, traumatic brain injury > nerve pain and most importantly SCI nerve pain so again...typical response from > > a doc that relies on pharmaceutical reps to tell him what works for people and > has stereotypical ideas of marijuana. Just as there are misconceptions about > pain patients and narcotics there is even more surrounding cannabis. It is true > > that it doesnt totally take the pain " away " , nothing does...but people report > that it puts a space between them and the pain, enough to function in a > comfortable way (not to mention relief from muscle spasms, its anti-inflamatory > > properties and actually being able to sleep at night which makes a HUGE > difference in pain levels). Many patients have been able to return to work and > to the activities they love after years of incapacitating pain. They describe >it > > as being an observer of the pain, they know the pain is there but it isnt all > consuming and no longer limits their ability to perform physically. As Kathy > stated about narcotics, those who have been stabilized on it claim that it > > doesnt even affect their cognitive skills in fact one fellow has been a > successful stock broker for over 20 years handling millions of dollars in > investments. Personally, I will still say there are positions best left to the > unmedicated, whether it be narcotics or medical cannabis, but that is my own > personal opinion. > I am not saying it is the right thing for everyone but tens of thousands of > people have gotten their lives back using it responsibly so please dont dismiss > > it so easily. It is serious medicine. My friend is going through chemotherapy > right now for breast cancer, she also has crohns and fibromyalgia. You cannot > even imagine how sick this has made her. It is the only thing that helps her, > the only thing. It is the only thing that stops the vomiting, helps the pain, > allows her to eat etc etc. It is a DAMN SHAME and a human rights violation as > far as I'm concerned for our government to tell a dying woman that she can have > > all the damn heart rate/respiratory rate/bowel motility slowing, liver/kidney > damaging drugs that she wants but if she uses the one thing that gives her a > moment of relief or allows her to eat one morsal of food without puking she can > > go to jail? It is inhumane. God forbid that someone could grow their own > medicine and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for their meds every month, > then add another hundred for meds to counteract the side effects of the first > meds. I call BS. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 , I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states tried to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. Jenn On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, wrote: > > > Thanks Rick...I know I jumped up on my soapbox there for a minute but I > have > seen (and experienced) too much needless suffering due to ignorance and > laws > based on lies. > > ________________________________ > > To: tetheredspinalcord > Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 11:06:13 PM > Subject: Medical Cannabis > > > I dont use it but I 'like " your comment. Well said. > Rick > > said the following on 3/28/2011 11:10 PM: > > This is a typical response from a doc who doesnt work with medical > cannabis.. > > Most pain patients use vaporizers, elixers or edibles to negate the > effects of > > > smoking (not all, there are people that just like to smoke) As for > helping with > > > > our type of nerve pain, it has helped many people with MS nerve pain, > > Fibromyalgia nerve pain, ALS nerve pain, neuropathy, traumatic brain > injury > > nerve pain and most importantly SCI nerve pain so again...typical > response from > > > > a doc that relies on pharmaceutical reps to tell him what works for > people and > > > has stereotypical ideas of marijuana. Just as there are misconceptions > about > > pain patients and narcotics there is even more surrounding cannabis. It > is true > > > > that it doesnt totally take the pain " away " , nothing does...but people > report > > that it puts a space between them and the pain, enough to function in a > > comfortable way (not to mention relief from muscle spasms, its > anti-inflamatory > > > > properties and actually being able to sleep at night which makes a HUGE > > difference in pain levels). Many patients have been able to return to > work and > > > to the activities they love after years of incapacitating pain. They > describe > >it > > > > as being an observer of the pain, they know the pain is there but it isnt > all > > consuming and no longer limits their ability to perform physically. As > Kathy > > stated about narcotics, those who have been stabilized on it claim that > it > > > > doesnt even affect their cognitive skills in fact one fellow has been a > > successful stock broker for over 20 years handling millions of dollars in > > > investments. Personally, I will still say there are positions best left > to the > > > unmedicated, whether it be narcotics or medical cannabis, but that is my > own > > personal opinion. > > I am not saying it is the right thing for everyone but tens of thousands > of > > people have gotten their lives back using it responsibly so please dont > dismiss > > > > it so easily. It is serious medicine. My friend is going through > chemotherapy > > right now for breast cancer, she also has crohns and fibromyalgia. You > cannot > > even imagine how sick this has made her. It is the only thing that helps > her, > > the only thing. It is the only thing that stops the vomiting, helps the > pain, > > allows her to eat etc etc. It is a DAMN SHAME and a human rights > violation as > > far as I'm concerned for our government to tell a dying woman that she > can have > > > > all the damn heart rate/respiratory rate/bowel motility slowing, > liver/kidney > > damaging drugs that she wants but if she uses the one thing that gives > her a > > moment of relief or allows her to eat one morsal of food without puking > she can > > > > go to jail? It is inhumane. God forbid that someone could grow their own > > medicine and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for their meds every > month, > > then add another hundred for meds to counteract the side effects of the > first > > meds. I call BS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Yes Jenn, I think you are right about that. If it is going to be recognized as the legitamate medicine it is the docs prescribing it need to be more discriminating. ________________________________ To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 3:41:31 PM Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis , I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states tried to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. Jenn On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, wrote: > > > Thanks Rick...I know I jumped up on my soapbox there for a minute but I > have > seen (and experienced) too much needless suffering due to ignorance and > laws > based on lies. > > ________________________________ > > To: tetheredspinalcord > Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 11:06:13 PM > Subject: Medical Cannabis > > > I dont use it but I 'like " your comment. Well said. > Rick > > said the following on 3/28/2011 11:10 PM: > > This is a typical response from a doc who doesnt work with medical > cannabis.. > > Most pain patients use vaporizers, elixers or edibles to negate the > effects of > > > smoking (not all, there are people that just like to smoke) As for > helping with > > > > our type of nerve pain, it has helped many people with MS nerve pain, > > Fibromyalgia nerve pain, ALS nerve pain, neuropathy, traumatic brain > injury > > nerve pain and most importantly SCI nerve pain so again...typical > response from > > > > a doc that relies on pharmaceutical reps to tell him what works for > people and > > > has stereotypical ideas of marijuana. Just as there are misconceptions > about > > pain patients and narcotics there is even more surrounding cannabis. It > is true > > > > that it doesnt totally take the pain " away " , nothing does...but people > report > > that it puts a space between them and the pain, enough to function in a > > comfortable way (not to mention relief from muscle spasms, its > anti-inflamatory > > > > properties and actually being able to sleep at night which makes a HUGE > > difference in pain levels). Many patients have been able to return to > work and > > > to the activities they love after years of incapacitating pain. They > describe > >it > > > > as being an observer of the pain, they know the pain is there but it isnt > all > > consuming and no longer limits their ability to perform physically. As > Kathy > > stated about narcotics, those who have been stabilized on it claim that > it > > > > doesnt even affect their cognitive skills in fact one fellow has been a > > successful stock broker for over 20 years handling millions of dollars in > > > investments. Personally, I will still say there are positions best left > to the > > > unmedicated, whether it be narcotics or medical cannabis, but that is my > own > > personal opinion. > > I am not saying it is the right thing for everyone but tens of thousands > of > > people have gotten their lives back using it responsibly so please dont > dismiss > > > > it so easily. It is serious medicine. My friend is going through > chemotherapy > > right now for breast cancer, she also has crohns and fibromyalgia. You > cannot > > even imagine how sick this has made her. It is the only thing that helps > her, > > the only thing. It is the only thing that stops the vomiting, helps the > pain, > > allows her to eat etc etc. It is a DAMN SHAME and a human rights > violation as > > far as I'm concerned for our government to tell a dying woman that she > can have > > > > all the damn heart rate/respiratory rate/bowel motility slowing, > liver/kidney > > damaging drugs that she wants but if she uses the one thing that gives > her a > > moment of relief or allows her to eat one morsal of food without puking > she can > > > > go to jail? It is inhumane. God forbid that someone could grow their own > > medicine and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for their meds every > month, > > then add another hundred for meds to counteract the side effects of the > first > > meds. I call BS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Jenn, I have to respectively disagree. I don't believe that MJ is worse than drinking for example.Now we are all adults, and honestly if you are diagnosed with a medical condition it should be up to you how you handle your treatment. Personally I like Amsterdam's model, it has actually led to a decrease in narcotic (illegal) use. > > > Thanks Rick...I know I jumped up on my soapbox there for a minute but I > have > seen (and experienced) too much needless suffering due to ignorance and > laws > based on lies. > > ________________________________ > > To: tetheredspinalcord > Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 11:06:13 PM > Subject: Medical Cannabis > > > I dont use it but I 'like " your comment. Well said. > Rick > > said the following on 3/28/2011 11:10 PM: > > This is a typical response from a doc who doesnt work with medical > cannabis.. > > Most pain patients use vaporizers, elixers or edibles to negate the > effects of > > > smoking (not all, there are people that just like to smoke) As for > helping with > > > > our type of nerve pain, it has helped many people with MS nerve pain, > > Fibromyalgia nerve pain, ALS nerve pain, neuropathy, traumatic brain > injury > > nerve pain and most importantly SCI nerve pain so again...typical > response from > > > > a doc that relies on pharmaceutical reps to tell him what works for > people and > > > has stereotypical ideas of marijuana. Just as there are misconceptions > about > > pain patients and narcotics there is even more surrounding cannabis. It > is true > > > > that it doesnt totally take the pain " away " , nothing does...but people > report > > that it puts a space between them and the pain, enough to function in a > > comfortable way (not to mention relief from muscle spasms, its > anti-inflamatory > > > > properties and actually being able to sleep at night which makes a HUGE > > difference in pain levels). Many patients have been able to return to > work and > > > to the activities they love after years of incapacitating pain. They > describe > >it > > > > as being an observer of the pain, they know the pain is there but it isnt > all > > consuming and no longer limits their ability to perform physically. As > Kathy > > stated about narcotics, those who have been stabilized on it claim that > it > > > > doesnt even affect their cognitive skills in fact one fellow has been a > > successful stock broker for over 20 years handling millions of dollars in > > > investments. Personally, I will still say there are positions best left > to the > > > unmedicated, whether it be narcotics or medical cannabis, but that is my > own > > personal opinion. > > I am not saying it is the right thing for everyone but tens of thousands > of > > people have gotten their lives back using it responsibly so please dont > dismiss > > > > it so easily. It is serious medicine. My friend is going through > chemotherapy > > right now for breast cancer, she also has crohns and fibromyalgia. You > cannot > > even imagine how sick this has made her. It is the only thing that helps > her, > > the only thing. It is the only thing that stops the vomiting, helps the > pain, > > allows her to eat etc etc. It is a DAMN SHAME and a human rights > violation as > > far as I'm concerned for our government to tell a dying woman that she > can have > > > > all the damn heart rate/respiratory rate/bowel motility slowing, > liver/kidney > > damaging drugs that she wants but if she uses the one thing that gives > her a > > moment of relief or allows her to eat one morsal of food without puking > she can > > > > go to jail? It is inhumane. God forbid that someone could grow their own > > medicine and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for their meds every > month, > > then add another hundred for meds to counteract the side effects of the > first > > meds. I call BS. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 , I don't think MJ is worse than drinking (I actually think alcohol is worse than MJ). BUT - my discussion wasn't about the legalization of MJ - I don't see that happening any time soon since the states that tried were shot down. My point was about MC. If any 20 year old construction worker can go to a doc and say his back hurts really bad, they will give him a Rx for MC. It is so easy to get a Rx for MC in CA (from what I understand). I can't tell you how many episodes of Judge Judy I have watched where all these strapping young men from CA, who work in physically demanding jobs, say they have a Rx for MC. Ridiculous! They never, ever would have gotten a Rx for narcs. They are tightly controlled. I just think that if we and the medical community (that supports the use of MC) wants it to be taken seriously for its medical benefits, then the prescription thereof needs to be like getting a Rx for narcs. Just like those of us who go to pain clinics and physiatrists have to sign a huge contract and are regularly drug tested (to make sure the only controlled substances that show up in our UA are those *that *MD have prescribed and in the concentration (s)he prescribed), so too should people with an Rx for MC. I think a lot of the public knows that getting an Rx for MC is a joke and people use it to get high. I can't get a Rx for MS from my physiatrist and then go down to the corner " dispensary " to pick it up. I just don't think MC won't be taken seriously as a Rx until it is treated like one. Jenn On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Dybowski wrote: > > > Jenn, > I have to respectively disagree. > I don't believe that MJ is worse than drinking for example.Now we are all > adults, and honestly if you are diagnosed with a medical condition it should > be up to you how you handle your treatment. > Personally I like Amsterdam's model, it has actually led to a decrease in > narcotic (illegal) use. > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis > To: tetheredspinalcord > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:41 PM > > > , > > I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where > it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part > of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states > tried > to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts > rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was > that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they > already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up > Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. > > Jenn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 LOL There have always been churches where their religion protected their right to alter their consciousness. I have never seen one where pot is the deity but I have seen many where smoking marijuana or peyote is thought to expand the consciousness thereby allowing greater communication with the deity. I havent seen that special on CA but I'm sure it is laughable. Unfortunately it has been taken very lightly and I think that has hurt the movement alot. If it had been regulated more closely I think more states would agree to pass medical cannabis bills and the people who really need it could get it without fear of prosecution. I personally dont think it should be illegal at all, I think alcohol is much worse and I think there would be less kids addicted to prescription meds if more people were using MC and not as many prescriptions were being written. Honestly, I think trying to regulate it (in a general sense) is ludicrous. The money that is spent on law enforcement, jails, courts etc could be much better spent on that national debt as well. I heard a Chief of Police say it best, he was comparing it to alcohol prohibition and said you just cant enforce laws that the majority of people dont agree with, its futile. ________________________________ To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 7:16:49 PM Subject: Medical Cannabis  Jenn, Have you watched Nat'l Geographic's special on California and their medical marijuana laws? They have " churches " where they their deity is pot. I can't recall if that's why they smoke it legally at someone's house (because they don't have a church) or if they were smoking illegally - either way; no one bothered them. They also highlighted a town where a lot of the residents grow the pot and make excellent money. Additionally, as you point out, they showed in great detail how easy it is (and a joke) to get the prescriptions for pot. It was laughable ... My only problem with the legalization of it is the one you point out - the regulation of it (or lack thereof in some states/state). I've seen it help chemo side-effects and truly have no point of view for the legalization/non-legalization. Personally, I'd rather see them make prostitution legal first - the tax money collected would help wipe out the national debt quicker than any other tax (plus make it safer for those that make their money this way). Kathy Re: Medical Cannabis > To: tetheredspinalcord > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:41 PM > > > , > > I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where > it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part > of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states > tried > to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts > rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was > that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they > already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up > Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. > > Jenn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I think there would be less kids addicted to prescription meds if more people were using MC and not as many prescriptions were being written. Honestly, I think trying to regulate it (in a general sense) is ludicrous. The money that is spent on law enforcement, jails, courts etc could be much better spent on that national debt as well. I heard a Chief of Police say it best, he was comparing it to alcohol prohibition and said you just cant enforce laws that the majority of people dont agree with, its futile. Coming from someone who did everything under the sun until the age of 16, I would have never touched anything legal to me at that age. That would have taken too much of the fun, danger and rebeliousness out of what we were doing. I'm not so sure about the train of thought for kids and drugs, but I do agree about the legalization of the drug for those that would benefit, especially where there are other ways to ingest and receive the benefits without smoking a joint. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Of course another way to look at it is...Why are narcotics regulated? Because if you take too many they can cause death, addiction and other unsavory things. Cannabis is not a narcotic. It does not cause death, (perhaps addiction but if so psychological not physical) its side effects are laughing, munchies and sleeping not liver/kidney damage, stomach ulcers, decreased bowel motility, decreased bladder function, nausea etc etc Not to mention the whole issue of how many of these meds have to be titrated up (speaking more to the anticonvulsants here) and it may take weeks to see any results then if you cant handle the SE you have to titrate down or you can get thrown into a severe reaction (I was hospitalized for a week after coming off of neurontin too quickly)...even seizures for someone who is not epileptic, cmon...whats safer? I have seen numerous people come on this list in a panic because their Rx was running out, or their doc wouldnt renew their meds, no money for meds...I mean seriously...when you are on these types of meds that change your bodies chemistry to those extremes and anything happens to stop that flow you are screwed. Once I had the flu and kept throwing up my meds...total detox reaction, I thought I was going to die in my own vomit in the fetal position on the floor that night. Thats why those drugs are regulated. ________________________________ To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 5:55:53 PM Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis  , I don't think MJ is worse than drinking (I actually think alcohol is worse than MJ). BUT - my discussion wasn't about the legalization of MJ - I don't see that happening any time soon since the states that tried were shot down. My point was about MC. If any 20 year old construction worker can go to a doc and say his back hurts really bad, they will give him a Rx for MC. It is so easy to get a Rx for MC in CA (from what I understand). I can't tell you how many episodes of Judge Judy I have watched where all these strapping young men from CA, who work in physically demanding jobs, say they have a Rx for MC. Ridiculous! They never, ever would have gotten a Rx for narcs. They are tightly controlled. I just think that if we and the medical community (that supports the use of MC) wants it to be taken seriously for its medical benefits, then the prescription thereof needs to be like getting a Rx for narcs. Just like those of us who go to pain clinics and physiatrists have to sign a huge contract and are regularly drug tested (to make sure the only controlled substances that show up in our UA are those *that *MD have prescribed and in the concentration (s)he prescribed), so too should people with an Rx for MC. I think a lot of the public knows that getting an Rx for MC is a joke and people use it to get high. I can't get a Rx for MS from my physiatrist and then go down to the corner " dispensary " to pick it up. I just don't think MC won't be taken seriously as a Rx until it is treated like one. Jenn On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Dybowski wrote: > > > Jenn, > I have to respectively disagree. > I don't believe that MJ is worse than drinking for example.Now we are all > adults, and honestly if you are diagnosed with a medical condition it should > be up to you how you handle your treatment. > Personally I like Amsterdam's model, it has actually led to a decrease in > narcotic (illegal) use. > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis > To: tetheredspinalcord > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:41 PM > > > , > > I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where > it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part > of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states > tried > to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts > rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was > that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they > already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up > Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. > > Jenn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Got it Jenn I misinterpreted. Well from what I remember the huge blow up narcotic was Oxycontin. When it was discovered it was a miracle drug (as with most). People were given it for knee surgery etc. That is what lead to a lot of addiction and scrutiny of narcotic pain meds. When you see drug busts what do you see? Oxy. Sometimes Vicodin and Norco, but mostly Oxy. I guess the question is- how do doctors prescribe the adequate pain medication needed, and how do we get to a point of having HONEST conversations without worry of scrutiny? And this goes for MC also. I believe statistically patients who need pain management are under medicated (narcotic). >Of course another way to look at it is...Why are narcotics regulated? Because if >you take too many they can cause death, addiction and other unsavory things. >Cannabis is not a narcotic. It does not cause death, (perhaps addiction but if >so psychological not physical) its side effects are laughing, munchies and >sleeping not liver/kidney damage, stomach ulcers, decreased bowel motility, >decreased bladder function, nausea etc etc Not to mention the whole issue of >how many of these meds have to be titrated up (speaking more to the >anticonvulsants here) and it may take weeks to see any results then if you cant >handle the SE you have to titrate down or you can get thrown into a severe >reaction (I was hospitalized for a week after coming off of neurontin too >quickly)...even seizures for someone who is not epileptic, cmon...whats safer? I >have seen numerous people come on this list in a panic because their Rx was >running out, or their doc wouldnt renew their meds, no money for meds...I mean >seriously...when you are on these types of meds that change your bodies >chemistry to those extremes and anything happens to stop that flow you are >screwed. Once I had the flu and kept throwing up my meds...total detox reaction, >I thought I was going to die in my own vomit in the fetal position on the floor >that night. Thats why those drugs are regulated. > > > >________________________________ > >To: tetheredspinalcord >Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 5:55:53 PM >Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis > > >, > >I don't think MJ is worse than drinking (I actually think alcohol is worse >than MJ). BUT - my discussion wasn't about the legalization of MJ - I don't >see that happening any time soon since the states that tried were shot down. > >My point was about MC. If any 20 year old construction worker can go to a >doc and say his back hurts really bad, they will give him a Rx for MC. It >is so easy to get a Rx for MC in CA (from what I understand). I can't tell >you how many episodes of Judge Judy I have watched where all these strapping >young men from CA, who work in physically demanding jobs, say they have a Rx >for MC. Ridiculous! They never, ever would have gotten a Rx for narcs. >They are tightly controlled. > >I just think that if we and the medical community (that supports the use of >MC) wants it to be taken seriously for its medical benefits, then the >prescription thereof needs to be like getting a Rx for narcs. Just like >those of us who go to pain clinics and physiatrists have to sign a huge >contract and are regularly drug tested (to make sure the only controlled >substances that show up in our UA are those *that *MD have prescribed and in >the concentration (s)he prescribed), so too should people with an Rx for >MC. I think a lot of the public knows that getting an Rx for MC is a joke >and people use it to get high. I can't get a Rx for MS from my physiatrist >and then go down to the corner " dispensary " to pick it up. I just don't >think MC won't be taken seriously as a Rx until it is treated like one. > >Jenn > >On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Dybowski wrote: > >> >> >> Jenn, >> I have to respectively disagree. >> I don't believe that MJ is worse than drinking for example.Now we are all >> adults, and honestly if you are diagnosed with a medical condition it should >> be up to you how you handle your treatment. >> Personally I like Amsterdam's model, it has actually led to a decrease in >> narcotic (illegal) use. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis >> To: tetheredspinalcord >> Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:41 PM >> >> >> , >> >> I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where >> it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part >> of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states >> tried >> to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts >> rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was >> that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they >> already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up >> Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. >> >> Jenn >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Good Grief, people!!! This med pot thread is getting more laughable and tedious by the minute. I live in CA, land of the fruits and the nuts, but the pot laws are one of the few things our legislators got right. ________________________________ To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 5:16:49 PM Subject: Medical Cannabis  Jenn, Have you watched Nat'l Geographic's special on California and their medical marijuana laws? They have " churches " where they their deity is pot. I can't recall if that's why they smoke it legally at someone's house (because they don't have a church) or if they were smoking illegally - either way; no one bothered them. They also highlighted a town where a lot of the residents grow the pot and make excellent money. Additionally, as you point out, they showed in great detail how easy it is (and a joke) to get the prescriptions for pot. It was laughable ... My only problem with the legalization of it is the one you point out - the regulation of it (or lack thereof in some states/state). I've seen it help chemo side-effects and truly have no point of view for the legalization/non-legalization. Personally, I'd rather see them make prostitution legal first - the tax money collected would help wipe out the national debt quicker than any other tax (plus make it safer for those that make their money this way). Kathy Re: Medical Cannabis > To: tetheredspinalcord > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:41 PM > > > , > > I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where > it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part > of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states > tried > to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts > rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was > that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they > already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up > Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. > > Jenn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2011 Report Share Posted April 1, 2011 I am moving in with you ! > > > Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis > To: tetheredspinalcord > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:41 PM > > > , > > I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where > it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part > of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states > tried > to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts > rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was > that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they > already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up > Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. > > Jenn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011    I hope you are not alergic to cats! ________________________________ To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 6:44:22 AM Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis  I am moving in with you ! > > > Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis > To: tetheredspinalcord > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 3:41 PM > > > , > > I think part of the reason it has such a bad rap is bc in the states where > it is legal, it is ridiculously easy to get a Rx for it. I'm thinking part > of the reason it might be that way is bc at least some of those states > tried > to legalize MJ in general and this was kind of their way around the courts > rulings that they couldn't legalize it. BUT - could you imagine if it was > that easy to get a Rx for narcs? They would have a worse rep than they > already do. I think if those states where MC was legal were to tighten up > Rx laws (like narcs are now) that people might respect MC a little more. > > Jenn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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