Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Interesting theories. Do you know exactly how the GcMAF is affecting the nagalase? It may seem like a redundant questioin, but i havent studied this much. thanks, Misty GcMAF I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though we use supplements. Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those infections. What do you guys think? Thanks PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement recommendations. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 I will admit I don't totally understand all of this, but I have read quite a bit. The way I understand it Nagalase is released by cancer cells, HIV infection, and other viruses and bacteria (many believe that Bb - Lyme disease causing bacteria- releases it). Nagalase blocks the release of macrophages so it allows the bacteria or infection to persist. So if GcMAF is injected it is suppose to kick start the immune system by releasing more macrophages that will go eat the bacteria or virus that is releasing the Nagalase. I am a member of another group AutismWeb and there are a number of parents who have given their kids the GcMAF injections. Most of them are reporting very good results, some of them unbelievably good. This is why it is such an intriguing potential therapy. To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism From: seabluedolphin16@...Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:30:48 -0500Subject: Re: GcMAF Interesting theories. Do you know exactly how the GcMAF is affecting the nagalase?It may seem like a redundant questioin, but i havent studied this much.thanks, Misty GcMAF I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though we use supplements. Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those infections. What do you guys think? Thanks PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement recommendations. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 One of my doctors, whom I have high respect for (which is rare), has told me that autoimmunity is caused by intracellular infections. This is where the infectious organism is inside cells and the immune system is trying to take out the infected cells in an effort to clear the infection. When the infection is cleared, the autoimmune symptoms go away. He treats autoimmune disorders with anti-infectives and has better success than many other rheumatologists. How much Vit. D do you supplement with? If I take just 5,000 IU of Vit. D, my blood levels will start to go down. I need to take at least 10,000 IU to maintain and up to 15,000 to raise my levels significantly. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Mason KuhnSent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:24 AMTo: borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism Subject: GcMAF I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though we use supplements. Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those infections. What do you guys think? Thanks PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement recommendations. thanks!__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6739 (20111224) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6739 (20111224) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thank you very much for this information, especially the last paragraph, for the proof is in the pudding. However, i am wondering about those with lyme and heavy metals. It still seems to me one has to detoxify. GcMAF I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though we use supplements. Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those infections. What do you guys think? Thanks PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement recommendations. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thank you all to bring my attention to all that about nagalase and testing for it and treatment realy very interesting info and posibilities for my son with ASD.Im glad im in that group very inteligent and surching parrents in here.Happy New Year to ALL here To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2011, 18:18:49 Subject: Re: GcMAF Thank you very much for this information, especially the last paragraph, for the proof is in the pudding. However, i am wondering about those with lyme and heavy metals. It still seems to me one has to detoxify. GcMAF I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though we use supplements. Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those infections. What do you guys think? Thanks PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement recommendations. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Dr. Bradstreet's blog is a good place for anyone to start looking for info.Keena Thank you all to bring my attention to all that about nagalase and testing for it and treatment realy very interesting info and posibilities for my son with ASD.Im glad im in that group very inteligent and surching parrents in here.Happy New Year to ALL here To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2011, 18:18:49 Subject: Re: GcMAF Thank you very much for this information, especially the last paragraph, for the proof is in the pudding. However, i am wondering about those with lyme and heavy metals. It still seems to me one has to detoxify. GcMAF I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though we use supplements. Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those infections. What do you guys think? Thanks PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement recommendations. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Could you tell me where you read about number of parents reporting good results with GcMAF injections for their kids? We are about to do the nagalese test for my son and I have been trying to learn how kids respond to it (so far I have read only of adults and their reactions). We have been on one what it seems endless battle for viruses, parasites and bacteria for my son for the past 3 years (we have tried to address them with prescription meds, homeopathics, naturals) and he still has them, so I am very very hopeful that GcMAF may help, but what worries me is that I cannot find anough data showing how small children respond (well, I don't know in which category my son is now - he is 6 years old, so I guess I should say middle age children . I am on Bradstreet's blog also but I cannot find the results of his studies on GcMAF and the stem cell therapy he did in Kiev. Merry Christmas to everybody in this group and hope the new 2012 year will bring lots of good answers to all of us! Krassi > > > I will admit I don't totally understand all of this, but I have read quite a bit. > > The way I understand it Nagalase is released by cancer cells, HIV infection, and other viruses and bacteria (many believe that Bb - Lyme disease causing bacteria- releases it). Nagalase blocks the release of macrophages so it allows the bacteria or infection to persist. So if GcMAF is injected it is suppose to kick start the immune system by releasing more macrophages that will go eat the bacteria or virus that is releasing the Nagalase. > > I am a member of another group AutismWeb and there are a number of parents who have given their kids the GcMAF injections. Most of them are reporting very good results, some of them unbelievably good. This is why it is such an intriguing potential therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Thank you for the link, very informative indeed. It is encouraging that most of the parents notice improvement in speech with their kids and more present after using the GcMAF injections, as this is still one of our biggest challenges and dreams for me. I will keep you posted on our results (I highly suspect my son will have high nagalase results, because he has the genetic VDR mutations,and he is always low on vit D when we test him). I read it takes usually up to a month to get the results back. Good luck to you too Krassi > > > > > > > > > I will admit I don't totally understand all of this, but I have read quite a bit. > > > > > > The way I understand it Nagalase is released by cancer cells, HIV infection, and other viruses and bacteria (many believe that Bb - Lyme disease causing bacteria- releases it). Nagalase blocks the release of macrophages so it allows the bacteria or infection to persist. So if GcMAF is injected it is suppose to kick start the immune system by releasing more macrophages that will go eat the bacteria or virus that is releasing the Nagalase. > > > > > > I am a member of another group AutismWeb and there are a number of parents who have given their kids the GcMAF injections. Most of them are reporting very good results, some of them unbelievably good. This is why it is such an intriguing potential therapy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 My son takes 6,000 IU of D3 a day in preparation for GcMAF. Curious to know if anyone is doing this will also getting IVIG? Would like to seriously address Lyme for at least a few months before adding in GcMAF. This is a very expensive treatment and am afraid it will be yet another pricey crutch--IVIG has worked wonders but it wears off. I am hoping the combination of the two will be enough to sustain the gains we see immediately after IVIG infusions. His Nagalese levels were barely elevated but am not sure how much this has to do with IVIG being in his system. It could actually be much higher if IVIG were stopped. > > One of my doctors, whom I have high respect for (which is rare), has told me > that autoimmunity is caused by intracellular infections. This is where the > infectious organism is inside cells and the immune system is trying to take > out the infected cells in an effort to clear the infection. When the > infection is cleared, the autoimmune symptoms go away. He treats autoimmune > disorders with anti-infectives and has better success than many other > rheumatologists. > > > > How much Vit. D do you supplement with? If I take just 5,000 IU of Vit. D, > my blood levels will start to go down. I need to take at least 10,000 IU to > maintain and up to 15,000 to raise my levels significantly. > > > > Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN > > mcfighter@... > > > > From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of > Mason Kuhn > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:24 AM > To: borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism > Subject: GcMAF > > > > > > > I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and > son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a > high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though > we use supplements. > > > > Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a > pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ > like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but > mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an > overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack > itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? > > > > Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe > it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high > levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those > infections. > > > > What do you guys think? > > > > Thanks > > > > PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down > with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this > support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your > posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement > recommendations. > > thanks! > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6739 (20111224) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Mason- I admittedly have done very little research on this topic, but my feeling is the same as yours. My kids seem more effected by viral issues than Lyme. In fact, we've seen great gains from anti-viral supps. Most recently we started Enhansa (then switched to Longvida). Ive seen improvements in language and gross motor. We've had what I believe is a yeast flare-up, which seems to always happen with viral die-off. I will be curious to hear how GcMAF works for people. Interestingly, I read on Bradstreets blog something about nagalsase and it's effect on calcium regulation. When my son saw a classical homeopath, he was given calcarea carbonica, which is a remedy or calcium assimilation issues. To me it was an interesting connection. Can someone tell me what the cost of testing and therapy is for GcMAF? We aren't ready for this now, but very curious and something to keep in mind for the future. na > > > > One of my doctors, whom I have high respect for (which is rare), has told me > > that autoimmunity is caused by intracellular infections. This is where the > > infectious organism is inside cells and the immune system is trying to take > > out the infected cells in an effort to clear the infection. When the > > infection is cleared, the autoimmune symptoms go away. He treats autoimmune > > disorders with anti-infectives and has better success than many other > > rheumatologists. > > > > > > > > How much Vit. D do you supplement with? If I take just 5,000 IU of Vit. D, > > my blood levels will start to go down. I need to take at least 10,000 IU to > > maintain and up to 15,000 to raise my levels significantly. > > > > > > > > Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN > > > > mcfighter@ > > > > > > > > From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > > [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of > > Mason Kuhn > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:24 AM > > To: borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism > > Subject: GcMAF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and > > son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a > > high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though > > we use supplements. > > > > > > > > Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a > > pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ > > like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but > > mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an > > overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack > > itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? > > > > > > > > Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe > > it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high > > levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those > > infections. > > > > > > > > What do you guys think? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down > > with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this > > support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your > > posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement > > recommendations. > > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > > database 6739 (20111224) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Yes, the general believe is that the immune dsyfunction has allowed all kinds of pathogens to stock-pile. Therefore, many recommend to treat all pathogen types (worms, protozoa, bacteria, viruses, yeast, etc.) At this point, it is not known which is the "thing" that started the immune system on it's wayward manner. We just know that by the time they have significant chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many pathogens and toxins. I have seen adults with Lyme post on here and YouTube videos that they got symptoms seen in autism; and recovered individuals from autism relapse from a vaccine (after recovered) or from going off the diets and treatments used to gain their recovery. So, we know that the symptoms wax and wane, which would point to pleomorphic pathogens, but we still just don't know the specifics. Probably, any of many immune stressors could cause the downward spiral of the immune system. After all, the current generation has many different things than the past generations, less sun, more junk food, more aluminum exposure, BPA exposure, etc. These things were not present until my teen years, which is when hyperactivity first started showing up in children. Plus, it was the 70's when Lyme was supposedly noticed. In addition, the vaccines have had a lot of changes, such as in what animal/human they are grown in, and what metals/MSG, etc. that they contain. Also, electrosmog has really grown. There are many things to blame, and most seem to need to address several areas to restore their health. To add to this maze, I have learned that chelators also inhibit viruses. Thus, are we getting better because we rid the toxins or are inhibiting viruses? I have also seen posts where people said they dumped more metals by treating for Lyme or viruses than by chelating. This is why each has to struggle to find their recovery journey, which will vary due to many factors; yet most will still need to address core issues (inflammation, digestion, immune system off-balance, toxins, various pathogen types, nutrients, poor circulation through the neck and brain, etc.) Love and prayers, Heidi N What if Lyme was/is the root of the problems and the antibiotics and herbal supplements we have used have either killed the Lyme or at least got it under control, but the reason he still displays autistic symptoms, still gets sick frequently, has extremely low vitamin D, and has huge bags under his eyes is because of the viral infections of HH6 and Epson Barr. Being co-morbid with all these bacteria and viruses could be the reason why only antibiotics/ herbals don't fully heal our kids and if a person has all these different problems going on just the GcMAF injections might not be enough to kill ALL the problems (or maybe they need a lot of injections). Thanks for listening to the long random thoughts of a dad and husband of two Lyme sufferers who so desperately is looking for answers and is anxiously waiting their Nagalase results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 The nagalase test cost $65 + the overnight shipping expenses and is done with Vitamin Diagnostics in NJ. This is how far we are, not sure how much we will need to pay after that for the injections if we start the treatment plan, but from what I have read - most people pay between $600 - $1000 per month for the injections, which are once per week in the arm. I don't know if we will have to order the injections from Europe or hopefully Dr. K's office will have them pre-measured for us. I still don't know if the amount of the GcMAF in the injections is based on weight of the patient or how much off is his nagalase result, does anybody know? Krassi > > > > > > One of my doctors, whom I have high respect for (which is rare), has told me > > > that autoimmunity is caused by intracellular infections. This is where the > > > infectious organism is inside cells and the immune system is trying to take > > > out the infected cells in an effort to clear the infection. When the > > > infection is cleared, the autoimmune symptoms go away. He treats autoimmune > > > disorders with anti-infectives and has better success than many other > > > rheumatologists. > > > > > > > > > > > > How much Vit. D do you supplement with? If I take just 5,000 IU of Vit. D, > > > my blood levels will start to go down. I need to take at least 10,000 IU to > > > maintain and up to 15,000 to raise my levels significantly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN > > > > > > mcfighter@ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > > > [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of > > > Mason Kuhn > > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:24 AM > > > To: borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism > > > Subject: GcMAF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and > > > son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a > > > high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though > > > we use supplements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a > > > pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ > > > like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but > > > mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an > > > overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack > > > itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe > > > it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high > > > levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those > > > infections. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down > > > with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this > > > support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your > > > posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement > > > recommendations. > > > > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > > > database 6739 (20111224) __________ > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Thank you Krassi for the info on testing and treatment. I really look forward to hearing how treatment goes for your son. Wishing you the best, na > > > > > > > > One of my doctors, whom I have high respect for (which is rare), has told me > > > > that autoimmunity is caused by intracellular infections. This is where the > > > > infectious organism is inside cells and the immune system is trying to take > > > > out the infected cells in an effort to clear the infection. When the > > > > infection is cleared, the autoimmune symptoms go away. He treats autoimmune > > > > disorders with anti-infectives and has better success than many other > > > > rheumatologists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much Vit. D do you supplement with? If I take just 5,000 IU of Vit. D, > > > > my blood levels will start to go down. I need to take at least 10,000 IU to > > > > maintain and up to 15,000 to raise my levels significantly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN > > > > > > > > mcfighter@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > > > > [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of > > > > Mason Kuhn > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:24 AM > > > > To: borreliamultipleinfectionsandautism > > > > Subject: GcMAF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to pick everyone's brain on this topic. I recently had my wife and > > > > son tested for Nagalase, haven't got the results back yet, but I suspect a > > > > high level since they have always have very low vitamin D levels even though > > > > we use supplements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is my question about GcMAF, some think that Lyme disease can cause a > > > > pathogen induced autoimmune reaction (the Bb bacteria bores into a organ > > > > like the brain and our immune system tries to attack the bacteria, but > > > > mistakenly attacks the organ). Autoimmune diseases are caused by an > > > > overactive immune system, so if Lyme is causing our immune system to attack > > > > itself wouldn't producing more Macrophages make it worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or maybe the theory of a pathogen induced autoimmunity is incorrect, maybe > > > > it's the persistent infection that is causing the dysregulation and high > > > > levels of Nagalase is causing the immune system to not get to those > > > > infections. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you guys think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS- Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! At the end of the year I sit down > > > > with my wife and we think about all that we are thankful for and this > > > > support group is at the top of my list. I have learned so much from your > > > > posts and have seen my son improve so much with some of your supplement > > > > recommendations. > > > > > > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > > > > database 6739 (20111224) __________ > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I just came back a visit from DK and he told me to use instead of injection of GCMAF a homeophatic remedy call K.MAF and you can only order a Bio-pure uerope with other four remedies and you can take all together each one five drops and he said to me it works very good better then the injection . I didn't order yet but I will as soon as possible. Happy Holiday all of you and I wish all of us a Good Year. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! Idman > > Yes, the general believe is that the immune dsyfunction has allowed all > kinds of pathogens to stock-pile. Therefore, many recommend to treat > all pathogen types (worms, protozoa, bacteria, viruses, yeast, etc.) At > this point, it is not known which is the " thing " that started the immune > system on it's wayward manner. We just know that by the time they have > significant chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many pathogens and > toxins. I have seen adults with Lyme post on here and YouTube videos > that they got symptoms seen in autism; and recovered individuals from > autism relapse from a vaccine (after recovered) or from going off the > diets and treatments used to gain their recovery. So, we know that the > symptoms wax and wane, which would point to pleomorphic pathogens, but > we still just don't know the specifics. Probably, any of many immune > stressors could cause the downward spiral of the immune system. After > all, the current generation has many different things than the past > generations, less sun, more junk food, more aluminum exposure, BPA > exposure, etc. These things were not present until my teen years, which > is when hyperactivity first started showing up in children. Plus, it > was the 70's when Lyme was supposedly noticed. In addition, the > vaccines have had a lot of changes, such as in what animal/human they > are grown in, and what metals/MSG, etc. that they contain. Also, > electrosmog has really grown. There are many things to blame, and most > seem to need to address several areas to restore their health. > > To add to this maze, I have learned that chelators also inhibit > viruses. Thus, are we getting better because we rid the toxins or are > inhibiting viruses? I have also seen posts where people said they > dumped more metals by treating for Lyme or viruses than by chelating. > This is why each has to struggle to find their recovery journey, which > will vary due to many factors; yet most will still need to address core > issues (inflammation, digestion, immune system off-balance, toxins, > various pathogen types, nutrients, poor circulation through the neck and > brain, etc.) > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > What if Lyme was/is the root of the problems and the antibiotics and > herbal supplements we have used have either killed the Lyme or at least > got it under control, but the reason he still displays autistic > symptoms, still gets sick frequently, has extremely low vitamin D, and > has huge bags under his eyes is because of the viral infections of HH6 > and Epson Barr. > > Being co-morbid with all these bacteria and viruses could be the reason > why only antibiotics/ > herbals don't fully heal our kids and if a person has all these > different problems going on just the GcMAF injections might not be > enough to kill ALL the problems (or maybe they need a lot of injections). > > Thanks for listening to the long random thoughts of a dad and husband of > two Lyme sufferers who so desperately is looking for answers and is > anxiously waiting their Nagalase results. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 The protocol he gave me was: Immune modulation a.Homeo K.MERC b.Homeo K.OXY c. Homeo K.MAF d. Homeo K.BAB e. Homeo. K.MBB12 Order from http://biopure.eu Finisf one bottle of each take directly on/under the tongue,5 drops of each, three times per day at least 10 minutes away from food and drink. Idman > > > > Yes, the general believe is that the immune dsyfunction has allowed all > > kinds of pathogens to stock-pile. Therefore, many recommend to treat > > all pathogen types (worms, protozoa, bacteria, viruses, yeast, etc.) At > > this point, it is not known which is the " thing " that started the immune > > system on it's wayward manner. We just know that by the time they have > > significant chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many pathogens and > > toxins. I have seen adults with Lyme post on here and YouTube videos > > that they got symptoms seen in autism; and recovered individuals from > > autism relapse from a vaccine (after recovered) or from going off the > > diets and treatments used to gain their recovery. So, we know that the > > symptoms wax and wane, which would point to pleomorphic pathogens, but > > we still just don't know the specifics. Probably, any of many immune > > stressors could cause the downward spiral of the immune system. After > > all, the current generation has many different things than the past > > generations, less sun, more junk food, more aluminum exposure, BPA > > exposure, etc. These things were not present until my teen years, which > > is when hyperactivity first started showing up in children. Plus, it > > was the 70's when Lyme was supposedly noticed. In addition, the > > vaccines have had a lot of changes, such as in what animal/human they > > are grown in, and what metals/MSG, etc. that they contain. Also, > > electrosmog has really grown. There are many things to blame, and most > > seem to need to address several areas to restore their health. > > > > To add to this maze, I have learned that chelators also inhibit > > viruses. Thus, are we getting better because we rid the toxins or are > > inhibiting viruses? I have also seen posts where people said they > > dumped more metals by treating for Lyme or viruses than by chelating. > > This is why each has to struggle to find their recovery journey, which > > will vary due to many factors; yet most will still need to address core > > issues (inflammation, digestion, immune system off-balance, toxins, > > various pathogen types, nutrients, poor circulation through the neck and > > brain, etc.) > > > > Love and prayers, > > > > Heidi N > > > > > > What if Lyme was/is the root of the problems and the antibiotics and > > herbal supplements we have used have either killed the Lyme or at least > > got it under control, but the reason he still displays autistic > > symptoms, still gets sick frequently, has extremely low vitamin D, and > > has huge bags under his eyes is because of the viral infections of HH6 > > and Epson Barr. > > > > Being co-morbid with all these bacteria and viruses could be the reason > > why only antibiotics/ > > herbals don't fully heal our kids and if a person has all these > > different problems going on just the GcMAF injections might not be > > enough to kill ALL the problems (or maybe they need a lot of injections). > > > > Thanks for listening to the long random thoughts of a dad and husband of > > two Lyme sufferers who so desperately is looking for answers and is > > anxiously waiting their Nagalase results. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Idman, Can you please post how to order the K.MAF homeopathic remedy. I can't find it online. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 , All homeopathics are on the BioPure Europe web site. Here is the link to the K.MAF: http://www.biopure.eu/usa/products/homeo-k/homeo-kmaf-50ml.php and on the same web site are other homeopathics you can order as well: http://www.biopure.eu/usa/products/homeo-k/index.php > > Idman, > > Can you please post how to order the K.MAF homeopathic remedy. I can't find it online. > > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 , You can order this side. http://www.biopure.eu/usa/products/homeo-k/index.php Idman > > Idman, > > Can you please post how to order the K.MAF homeopathic remedy. I can't find it online. > > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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