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Hi Bruce

A question that popped into my mind when I read your post - what does " giving

up " mean to you and what would it look like?

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Kate

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> Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I

> think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early

> evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my

> situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that

> the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel

> like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's

> causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is

> hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of

> course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance

> is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow,

> and the day after and the day after.

>

> Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated.

>

> Bruce

>

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Giving up would be would be freaking out and becoming non-functional. Withdrawing into a zoned out state where I don't do anything and just live with the idea that everything is sad and negative and depressing. Since I'm just lying in bed now, I guess to the outside world I wouldn't look much different. \Bruce Hi Bruce A question that popped into my mind when I read your post - what does "giving up" mean to you and what would it look like? Regards Kate > > Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I > think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early > evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my > situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that > the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel > like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's > causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is > hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of > course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance > is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow, > and the day after and the day after. > > Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated. > > Bruce >

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Hi Bruce --I'm sorry it feels so rough right now.  Before I share some of my thoughts, I just wanted to add that having surgery is traumatic and that there are emotional side affects from going through it.  Also, one of the side effects of general anesthesia (I'm assuming you got this?  Don't know...) is feeling more emotional.  Remember you are likely feeling raw and that your resources are low.  Be gentle with yourself (not in a lecturing way, just if possible.)  Acceptance can be so challenging!  The thing that helps sometimes for me is to use the word allow instead of accept.  This feels a bit more doable for me.  The other thing that has been helpful has been " noticing. "   Just notice how resistant you feel about acceptance.  And re: the day after today, and the day after that, it might be helpful to try noticing the story of " always " or " forever. "   You know, " I'll always feel like this. "   Believe me, when I feel bad, at times it feels impossible to remember that it will pass. I think it can be helpful to just recognize the story that our brains tell us, eg. Oh, I notice that I'm telling myself the " I'll always feel like this " story.  Because that is all it is.  It is not a fact.  It is just a fear that this will be the case. 

Don't know if any of this will be of help, but I wanted to reach out anyway.Best,Barbara

 

Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I

think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early

evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my

situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that

the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel

like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's

causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is

hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of

course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance

is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow,

and the day after and the day after.

Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated.

Bruce

-- Barbara White, MFTMarriage and Family Therapistbarbarawhitetherapy.com

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Hi Bruce - I'm glad your surgery went well. I would try to do things that focus your attention on things going on outside of your head. For starters, the "notice five things" exercise should help get that started. Then I would be very curious about all of the stuff going on in your room and in the hospital; pretend that you are going to write a "travelogue" about your experience with the surgery, the recovery, the people and the process. Your book will not include anything about what's going on in your head. And I would suggest that you try to make a friend or two while you are there - staff, other patients. Try to do just a few small things that are about being a caring, interesting, interested person. See if you can find someone who is worse off than you and try to help them.These are all things that would be examples of your acceptance of your situation. You do them for the joy of doing them, not to distract you from your plight.BillTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:08:38 -0800Subject: Long Day Today

Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I

think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early

evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my

situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that

the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel

like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's

causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is

hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of

course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance

is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow,

and the day after and the day after.

Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated.

Bruce

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Hi Bruce:-)I don't believe I have much to add, as Barbara's email to you was just wonderful and came at a really good time, as i myself have been going through an emotional roller coaster these days. My willingness is there, and my values behind my actions r there and clear, but the exhaustion and pain from exposing myself to my biggest fears pulls me down sometimes.And barbara is so right, 'allowing' something to simply be, as it is, seems much easier to do when we feel like we get stuck with trying to somehow 'accept' painful feelings. Also what i have discovered from my own personal expereinces, acceptance and self-compassion go hand in hand. I believe that is the only way one can fully accept or allow those painful private expereinces to be present. At times i have felt like i am trying too hard to 'accept' yet being too tough on myself for not doing it 'the way i am supposed to do', then i realize where's the self compassion here?i am still beating myself up. Realize that no one wants pain. it is natural and normal to not want it. Our natural instinct makes us wanna rid it in someway, somehow. YET willing to 'allow' it or 'accept' it is huge , hence there should be nothing but self compassion towards ourselves for even willing to take that step towards acceptance. I always like to imagine if someone else was going through what i am struggling with, and then how would i be towards that person? And my answer is always the same. I would be nothing but kind, loving, supportive and expremely compassionate towards her. And if she failed, i would say, there is no such thing called 'failure' in life. Life unfolds moment by moment, and each moment can be undependant of the other , depending on how we choose to show up to it. When we get completely absorbed in our pain....OH GOD!!! there is waaaaaay too much screaming here.......these guys r driving me nuuuuuuuuuuutz ...i am so sorry bruce, i gotta go...But i do wanna say that I will pray that u have a speedy recovery insha'allah. u take care brucewasalaam-K Designs."" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes.

That way, when you criticize them, you're already a mile away AND you have their

shoes." ~ a very pious intellectual

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This is a big help, Barbara. Thank you so much.I am feeling that I'll always be like this, at least for the foreseeable future. I know that's not true but another day like today would be very tough. Maybe allow is a better word. I will try it.Thank you,Bruce Hi Bruce --I'm sorry it feels so rough right now. Before I share some of my thoughts, I just wanted to add that having surgery is traumatic and that there are emotional side affects from going through it. Also, one of the side effects of general anesthesia (I'm assuming you got this? Don't know...) is feeling more emotional. Remember you are likely feeling raw and that your resources are low. Be gentle with yourself (not in a lecturing way, just if possible.) Acceptance can be so challenging! The thing that helps sometimes for me is to use the word allow instead of accept. This feels a bit more doable for me. The other thing that has been helpful has been "noticing." Just notice how resistant you feel about acceptance. And re: the day after today, and the day after that, it might be helpful to try noticing the story of "always" or "forever." You know, "I'll always feel like this." Believe me, when I feel bad, at times it feels impossible to remember that it will pass. I think it can be helpful to just recognize the story that our brains tell us, eg. Oh, I notice that I'm telling myself the "I'll always feel like this" story. Because that is all it is. It is not a fact. It is just a fear that this will be the case. Don't know if any of this will be of help, but I wanted to reach out anyway.Best,Barbara Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow, and the day after and the day after. Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated. Bruce -- Barbara White, MFTMarriage and Family Therapistbarbarawhitetherapy.com

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Thank you for your kind words, . I appreciate it.Bruce Hi Bruce:-)I don't believe I have much to add, as Barbara's email to you was just wonderful and came at a really good time, as i myself have been going through an emotional roller coaster these days. My willingness is there, and my values behind my actions r there and clear, but the exhaustion and pain from exposing myself to my biggest fears pulls me down sometimes.And barbara is so right, 'allowing' something to simply be, as it is, seems much easier to do when we feel like we get stuck with trying to somehow 'accept' painful feelings. Also what i have discovered from my own personal expereinces, acceptance and self-compassion go hand in hand. I believe that is the only way one can fully accept or allow those painful private expereinces to be present. At times i have felt like i am trying too hard to 'accept' yet being too tough on myself for not doing it 'the way i am supposed to do', then i realize where's the self compassion here?i am still beating myself up. Realize that no one wants pain. it is natural and normal to not want it. Our natural instinct makes us wanna rid it in someway, somehow. YET willing to 'allow' it or 'accept' it is huge , hence there should be nothing but self compassion towards ourselves for even willing to take that step towards acceptance. I always like to imagine if someone else was going through what i am struggling with, and then how would i be towards that person? And my answer is always the same. I would be nothing but kind, loving, supportive and expremely compassionate towards her. And if she failed, i would say, there is no such thing called 'failure' in life. Life unfolds moment by moment, and each moment can be undependant of the other , depending on how we choose to show up to it. When we get completely absorbed in our pain....OH GOD!!! there is waaaaaay too much screaming here.......these guys r driving me nuuuuuuuuuuutz ...i am so sorry bruce, i gotta go...But i do wanna say that I will pray that u have a speedy recovery insha'allah. u take care brucewasalaam-K Designs."" Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're already a mile away AND you have their shoes." ~ a very pious intellectual

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Thanks, Bill. I'm actually at home. It might be easier for me in the hospital. I like the activity. As it is, I'm installed in our downstairs bedroom and my world is this room and the bathroom, which is painful to get to. But what you suggest is good. I need to get out of my own head. I just find that very difficult to do.Bruce Hi Bruce - I'm glad your surgery went well. I would try to do things that focus your attention on things going on outside of your head. For starters, the "notice five things" exercise should help get that started. Then I would be very curious about all of the stuff going on in your room and in the hospital; pretend that you are going to write a "travelogue" about your experience with the surgery, the recovery, the people and the process. Your book will not include anything about what's going on in your head. And I would suggest that you try to make a friend or two while you are there - staff, other patients. Try to do just a few small things that are about being a caring, interesting, interested person. See if you can find someone who is worse off than you and try to help them.These are all things that would be examples of your acceptance of your situation. You do them for the joy of doing them, not to distract you from your plight.BillTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:08:38 -0800Subject: Long Day Today Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow, and the day after and the day after. Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated. Bruce

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Bruce,

You can't stop the waves - but you can learn to surf. Use your precious time wisely.

Simonex

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2011, 3:08Subject: Long Day Today

Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow, and the day after and the day after.Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated.Bruce

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Hi Bruce - Here's a suggestion for getting out of your head. If it seems workable maybe you can use it along with your physical therapy. It's along the lines of the ACT Toolkit that has been discussed before on this list. I looked for a copy but couldn't find it. It was originally developed by Kurt Stroshal.Using GOOYMAIYL and The Happiness Trap develop an action plan for getting out of your mind. The structure for the plan can be the hexaflex points. The components of the hexaflex are defined in The Happiness Trap, pp. 33 and 34. Your plan should consist of 2-3 very specific actions you propose to take over the next few weeks during your rehabilitation for your injury. These actions could include things you already know work for you as well as new things where you feel like you need more workability. You should do these things as often as you can - really do them rather than think about doing them! If you can notice yourself doing them, that's even better.1. DEFUSIONa.b.c.2. EXPANSION/ACCEPTANCEa.b.c.3. CONNECTIONa.b.c.4. OBSERVING SELFa.b.c.5. VALUES especially ones that you can focus on while you are recovering from your injury.a.b.c. Be sure to include one about self-compassion!6. COMMITTED ACTION a, b, c These actions should be directly related to your values, whereas the actions above are specific actions for each hexaflex point.It's important to approach this with a beginner's mind, so you see things that you might otherwise skip over.BillPS - You might want to refer to The Happiness Trap, pp. 235-6 when this whole mess seems overwhelming.To: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:10:16 -0800Subject: Re: Long Day Today

Thanks, Bill. I'm actually at home. It might be easier for me in the hospital. I like the activity. As it is, I'm installed in our downstairs bedroom and my world is this room and the bathroom, which is painful to get to. But what you suggest is good. I need to get out of my own head. I just find that very difficult to do.Bruce Hi Bruce - I'm glad your surgery went well. I would try to do things that focus your attention on things going on outside of your head. For starters, the "notice five things" exercise should help get that started. Then I would be very curious about all of the stuff going on in your room and in the hospital; pretend that you are going to write a "travelogue" about your experience with the surgery, the recovery, the people and the process. Your book will not include anything about what's going on in your head. And I would suggest that you try to make a friend or two while you are there - staff, other patients. Try to do just a few small things that are about being a caring, interesting, interested person. See if you can find someone who is worse off than you and try to help them.These are all things that would be examples of your acceptance of your situation. You do them for the joy of doing them, not to distract you from your plight.BillTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:08:38 -0800Subject: Long Day Today Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow, and the day after and the day after. Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated. Bruce

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Hi Bill:Are you suggesting that I set three goals for each point of the hexaflex? Sorry to be a bit dense but I'm not thinking that clearly right now. I have to say that it's hard for me to think of any actions I'll be able to take but I need to work on that, I guess.Thank you very much for this. I appreciate it.Bruce Hi Bruce - Here's a suggestion for getting out of your head. If it seems workable maybe you can use it along with your physical therapy. It's along the lines of the ACT Toolkit that has been discussed before on this list. I looked for a copy but couldn't find it. It was originally developed by Kurt Stroshal.Using GOOYMAIYL and The Happiness Trap develop an action plan for getting out of your mind. The structure for the plan can be the hexaflex points. The components of the hexaflex are defined in The Happiness Trap, pp. 33 and 34. Your plan should consist of 2-3 very specific actions you propose to take over the next few weeks during your rehabilitation for your injury. These actions could include things you already know work for you as well as new things where you feel like you need more workability. You should do these things as often as you can - really do them rather than think about doing them! If you can notice yourself doing them, that's even better.1. DEFUSIONa.b.c.2. EXPANSION/ACCEPTANCEa.b.c.3. CONNECTIONa.b.c.4. OBSERVING SELFa.b.c.5. VALUES especially ones that you can focus on while you are recovering from your injury.a.b.c. Be sure to include one about self-compassion!6. COMMITTED ACTION a, b, c These actions should be directly related to your values, whereas the actions above are specific actions for each hexaflex point.It's important to approach this with a beginner's mind, so you see things that you might otherwise skip over.BillPS - You might want to refer to The Happiness Trap, pp. 235-6 when this whole mess seems overwhelming.To: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:10:16 -0800Subject: Re: Long Day Today Thanks, Bill. I'm actually at home. It might be easier for me in the hospital. I like the activity. As it is, I'm installed in our downstairs bedroom and my world is this room and the bathroom, which is painful to get to. But what you suggest is good. I need to get out of my own head. I just find that very difficult to do.Bruce Hi Bruce - I'm glad your surgery went well. I would try to do things that focus your attention on things going on outside of your head. For starters, the "notice five things" exercise should help get that started. Then I would be very curious about all of the stuff going on in your room and in the hospital; pretend that you are going to write a "travelogue" about your experience with the surgery, the recovery, the people and the process. Your book will not include anything about what's going on in your head. And I would suggest that you try to make a friend or two while you are there - staff, other patients. Try to do just a few small things that are about being a caring, interesting, interested person. See if you can find someone who is worse off than you and try to help them.These are all things that would be examples of your acceptance of your situation. You do them for the joy of doing them, not to distract you from your plight.BillTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:08:38 -0800Subject: Long Day Today Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow, and the day after and the day after. Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated. Bruce

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Hi Bruce - Good question. You aren't dense! The idea is to go to both books and pick out exercises for each point of the hexaflex that you have tried or would be willing to try and then actually use the exercises in real time to help you live a valued life.For instance, under defusion you might list "silly song, thoughts on cards and "milk, milk, milk" as the exercises you are willing to do when you encounter unhelpful thoughts.Under connection, you might list "notice five things and notice your breathing to help you stay connected with the present.Under values, you might list "do a values identification exercise and make a list of values on a small card."Under committed action you would actually make a committed action plan that lists things you can do to live out your values.You should start out very slowly and gradually build the plan.Many of us have a tendency to over think ACT. You have even more time to think after your surgery. The idea to t break the cycle of thinking and invest more energy in actually doing things that help you live a valued life.Just an idea. If you develop such a plan it will probably feel like your physical therapy plan - hard work, some ste backs but gradual progress.Give it a try. We'll help.BillTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:54:37 -0800Subject: Re: Long Day Today

Hi Bill:Are you suggesting that I set three goals for each point of the hexaflex? Sorry to be a bit dense but I'm not thinking that clearly right now. I have to say that it's hard for me to think of any actions I'll be able to take but I need to work on that, I guess.Thank you very much for this. I appreciate it.Bruce Hi Bruce - Here's a suggestion for getting out of your head. If it seems workable maybe you can use it along with your physical therapy. It's along the lines of the ACT Toolkit that has been discussed before on this list. I looked for a copy but couldn't find it. It was originally developed by Kurt Stroshal.Using GOOYMAIYL and The Happiness Trap develop an action plan for getting out of your mind. The structure for the plan can be the hexaflex points. The components of the hexaflex are defined in The Happiness Trap, pp. 33 and 34. Your plan should consist of 2-3 very specific actions you propose to take over the next few weeks during your rehabilitation for your injury. These actions could include things you already know work for you as well as new things where you feel like you need more workability. You should do these things as often as you can - really do them rather than think about doing them! If you can notice yourself doing them, that's even better.1. DEFUSIONa.b.c.2. EXPANSION/ACCEPTANCEa.b.c.3. CONNECTIONa.b.c.4. OBSERVING SELFa.b.c.5. VALUES especially ones that you can focus on while you are recovering from your injury.a.b.c. Be sure to include one about self-compassion!6. COMMITTED ACTION a, b, c These actions should be directly related to your values, whereas the actions above are specific actions for each hexaflex point.It's important to approach this with a beginner's mind, so you see things that you might otherwise skip over.BillPS - You might want to refer to The Happiness Trap, pp. 235-6 when this whole mess seems overwhelming.To: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:10:16 -0800Subject: Re: Long Day Today Thanks, Bill. I'm actually at home. It might be easier for me in the hospital. I like the activity. As it is, I'm installed in our downstairs bedroom and my world is this room and the bathroom, which is painful to get to. But what you suggest is good. I need to get out of my own head. I just find that very difficult to do.Bruce Hi Bruce - I'm glad your surgery went well. I would try to do things that focus your attention on things going on outside of your head. For starters, the "notice five things" exercise should help get that started. Then I would be very curious about all of the stuff going on in your room and in the hospital; pretend that you are going to write a "travelogue" about your experience with the surgery, the recovery, the people and the process. Your book will not include anything about what's going on in your head. And I would suggest that you try to make a friend or two while you are there - staff, other patients. Try to do just a few small things that are about being a caring, interesting, interested person. See if you can find someone who is worse off than you and try to help them.These are all things that would be examples of your acceptance of your situation. You do them for the joy of doing them, not to distract you from your plight.BillTo: ACT_for_the_Public From: onebnz@...Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:08:38 -0800Subject: Long Day Today Today was the first day of my recovery from my knee surgery and I think it's been the longest day of my life. It's still only early evening here. Somehow I need to get to acceptance. I realize that my situation is not so bad, I'm relatively comfortable. It's just that the day has dragged incredibly, even with several naps. I have to feel like acceptance is lacking, that the resistance I'm feeling is what's causing the clock to tick so slowly. Every uncomfortable thought is hitting me like a ton of bricks and makes me want to give up. But of course giving up is not an option. I guess really painful resistance is. And I'm really not looking forward to doing it all again tomorrow, and the day after and the day after. Any thoughts on acceptance would be much appreciated. Bruce

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