Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I haven't learned anything more specific to this, but all things I have learned do point to this a very likely main contributor to the world's declining state of health. It's important for us older folks to educate the younger folks, that there was a time when only old people got chronic diseases, other than a few well-known genetic conditions. Small children use to not get Bipolar, and no one had ADHD. Asthma was very rare, as well as cancer. It's not just autism that is on the rise, but seemingly all conditions that mainstream medical says there is no agreed upon cause, is on the rise. So, until the world starts looking for causes and treating them, I am not seeing how much can change. There is a lot of politics surrounding the XMRV issue. Interestingly, while some in the mainstream medical profession are saying that XMRV never really existed, lots of people on the health forums state they tested positive for it by reputable labs. So, not sure how this is all going to play out, but I feel way better when I take anti-virals, so that speaks volumes to me. Autism appears to be from the immune system not fighting off the pathogens correctly. Something is causing this. Unfortunately, since mercury and other toxins also cause this and are also a big problem, it's difficult to figure out if there is a main cause. It appears as if there are several main causes. HTLV-1 is very similar to XMRV, and I believe that it should be making headlines. I'll bet a lot of people have it, causing their immune systems to work amiss. I know a lot of people who are ill, only do what mainstream docs say, and keep declining because it's not enough. I really don't think at this point that anyone has figured out an easy solution. It appears that we still have to rebuild the immune system in numerous ways, which most alternative health practitioners are aware of. So, even if one has XMRV as the cause of their ills, it appears that by the time they are showing chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many toxins and pathogens, so treatment is still rebuilding the immune system from many directions. When you look at Lyme and PANDAS, treating them relieves symptoms, but unfortunately, the person still has relapses and seems to need to continue to support their immune system and keep a cautiously healthy lifestyle. So, they obviously contribute to symptoms, but they seem to not be the independent cause of the person's ill health. If I have found anything new and different in a while, faith and prayer are still my most successful path to healing. Not just in amazing prayer answers, but in the little things I learn from others after praying. I have not researched enough to know if those testing positive with XMRV do have a new virus, or if they have the similar virus, HTLV-1. Either way, they both reportedly downplay the immune system, but . . . . the talk is that if people are not exposed to other stressors, they may not show signs of sickness, which fits in with the going path of chronic conditions - symptoms wax and wane, and relapse rates are high when treatments are stopped. Love and prayers, Heidi N Heidi, A while back you posted a really interesting article about XMRV, and how you thought maybe this was the underlying cause of things, maybe like Lyme and Pandas. I was just wondering what you may have found out between now and then? Do you still think this could be it? Thanks, Bethany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Thanks so much for that response! I have been feeling that sense of responsibility to the younger generations; I have a neice and a sister that are going to start having children in a year, and of course my own childrens' children...how can we help them survive this? I also recently started my 7 year old " NT " daughter on OLE, and she has improved, like a different child. So now I'm assuming she is also battling this underlying condition, be it XMRV or whatever. And I recently developed cystitis, which I understand can be caused by bartonella. Reseveratrol is helping me with it, and GSE. What antivirals have you found the most success with? I will definitely do some research on HTLV-1. I so appreciate your great example of having faith. I have relied on that when times have been very dark for me. I have tried to do the same, it's been a real battle for me. Thanks so much!! Bethany > > I haven't learned anything more specific to this, but all things I have > learned do point to this a very likely main contributor to the world's > declining state of health. It's important for us older folks to educate > the younger folks, that there was a time when only old people got > chronic diseases, other than a few well-known genetic conditions. Small > children use to not get Bipolar, and no one had ADHD. Asthma was very > rare, as well as cancer. It's not just autism that is on the rise, but > seemingly all conditions that mainstream medical says there is no agreed > upon cause, is on the rise. So, until the world starts looking for > causes and treating them, I am not seeing how much can change. There is > a lot of politics surrounding the XMRV issue. Interestingly, while some > in the mainstream medical profession are saying that XMRV never really > existed, lots of people on the health forums state they tested positive > for it by reputable labs. So, not sure how this is all going to play > out, but I feel way better when I take anti-virals, so that speaks > volumes to me. > > Autism appears to be from the immune system not fighting off the > pathogens correctly. Something is causing this. Unfortunately, since > mercury and other toxins also cause this and are also a big problem, > it's difficult to figure out if there is a main cause. It appears as if > there are several main causes. HTLV-1 is very similar to XMRV, and I > believe that it should be making headlines. I'll bet a lot of people > have it, causing their immune systems to work amiss. I know a lot of > people who are ill, only do what mainstream docs say, and keep declining > because it's not enough. I really don't think at this point that anyone > has figured out an easy solution. It appears that we still have to > rebuild the immune system in numerous ways, which most alternative > health practitioners are aware of. So, even if one has XMRV as the > cause of their ills, it appears that by the time they are showing > chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many toxins and pathogens, so > treatment is still rebuilding the immune system from many directions. > > When you look at Lyme and PANDAS, treating them relieves symptoms, but > unfortunately, the person still has relapses and seems to need to > continue to support their immune system and keep a cautiously healthy > lifestyle. So, they obviously contribute to symptoms, but they seem to > not be the independent cause of the person's ill health. > > If I have found anything new and different in a while, faith and prayer > are still my most successful path to healing. Not just in amazing > prayer answers, but in the little things I learn from others after > praying. I have not researched enough to know if those testing positive > with XMRV do have a new virus, or if they have the similar virus, > HTLV-1. Either way, they both reportedly downplay the immune system, > but . . . . the talk is that if people are not exposed to other > stressors, they may not show signs of sickness, which fits in with the > going path of chronic conditions - symptoms wax and wane, and relapse > rates are high when treatments are stopped. > > Love and prayers, > > Heidi N > > > > > Heidi, > > A while back you posted a really interesting article about XMRV, and how > you thought maybe this was the underlying cause of things, maybe like > Lyme and Pandas. I was just wondering what you may have found out > between now and then? Do you still think this could be it? > > Thanks, > > Bethany > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have had success with lots of antivirals. Unfortunately, none of them were magical. LDM-100, artemisia, Takuna, were some strong ones. Maybe I never took high enough and long enough of a dose to get cured. Most herbs seen on these forums have effects on some bacteria as well as some viruses. A doc who had been treating Lyme for many years, said he learned that the best way to treat his patients was to give them several things aimed at what he perceived the main pathogen causing that particular patient's symptoms. So, I am guessing, it's probably best to have several things working together aimed at the main pathogen causing symptoms. Since HTLV-1 and XMRV are retroviruses like HIV, then seeking out treatments for HIV, may give lots of leads on what will work on HTLV-1 and XMRV. Luckily, we have lots of choices, but each person has different success with each treatment which makes choosing difficult. My kids' doc likes to use Neuro-Immune Infection Control by www.neurobiologix.com. It did take away warts, but I didn't see any cures from it, other than the warts. But I do think it helped decrease symptoms, just like most all of their treatments have. Keep in mind that they are in managed recovery, so I am guessing that if they were in full blown symptoms, there would have been much more of a noticing of symptom reduction. Love and prayers, Heidi N > > > > I haven't learned anything more specific to this, but all things I have > > learned do point to this a very likely main contributor to the world's > > declining state of health. It's important for us older folks to educate > > the younger folks, that there was a time when only old people got > > chronic diseases, other than a few well-known genetic conditions. Small > > children use to not get Bipolar, and no one had ADHD. Asthma was very > > rare, as well as cancer. It's not just autism that is on the rise, but > > seemingly all conditions that mainstream medical says there is no agreed > > upon cause, is on the rise. So, until the world starts looking for > > causes and treating them, I am not seeing how much can change. There is > > a lot of politics surrounding the XMRV issue. Interestingly, while some > > in the mainstream medical profession are saying that XMRV never really > > existed, lots of people on the health forums state they tested positive > > for it by reputable labs. So, not sure how this is all going to play > > out, but I feel way better when I take anti-virals, so that speaks > > volumes to me. > > > > Autism appears to be from the immune system not fighting off the > > pathogens correctly. Something is causing this. Unfortunately, since > > mercury and other toxins also cause this and are also a big problem, > > it's difficult to figure out if there is a main cause. It appears as if > > there are several main causes. HTLV-1 is very similar to XMRV, and I > > believe that it should be making headlines. I'll bet a lot of people > > have it, causing their immune systems to work amiss. I know a lot of > > people who are ill, only do what mainstream docs say, and keep declining > > because it's not enough. I really don't think at this point that anyone > > has figured out an easy solution. It appears that we still have to > > rebuild the immune system in numerous ways, which most alternative > > health practitioners are aware of. So, even if one has XMRV as the > > cause of their ills, it appears that by the time they are showing > > chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many toxins and pathogens, so > > treatment is still rebuilding the immune system from many directions. > > > > When you look at Lyme and PANDAS, treating them relieves symptoms, but > > unfortunately, the person still has relapses and seems to need to > > continue to support their immune system and keep a cautiously healthy > > lifestyle. So, they obviously contribute to symptoms, but they seem to > > not be the independent cause of the person's ill health. > > > > If I have found anything new and different in a while, faith and prayer > > are still my most successful path to healing. Not just in amazing > > prayer answers, but in the little things I learn from others after > > praying. I have not researched enough to know if those testing positive > > with XMRV do have a new virus, or if they have the similar virus, > > HTLV-1. Either way, they both reportedly downplay the immune system, > > but . . . . the talk is that if people are not exposed to other > > stressors, they may not show signs of sickness, which fits in with the > > going path of chronic conditions - symptoms wax and wane, and relapse > > rates are high when treatments are stopped. > > > > Love and prayers, > > > > Heidi N > > > > > > > > > > Heidi, > > > > A while back you posted a really interesting article about XMRV, and how > > you thought maybe this was the underlying cause of things, maybe like > > Lyme and Pandas. I was just wondering what you may have found out > > between now and then? Do you still think this could be it? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bethany > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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