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I haven't learned anything more specific to this, but all things I have

learned do point to this a very likely main contributor to the world's

declining state of health. It's important for us older folks to educate

the younger folks, that there was a time when only old people got

chronic diseases, other than a few well-known genetic conditions. Small

children use to not get Bipolar, and no one had ADHD. Asthma was very

rare, as well as cancer. It's not just autism that is on the rise, but

seemingly all conditions that mainstream medical says there is no agreed

upon cause, is on the rise. So, until the world starts looking for

causes and treating them, I am not seeing how much can change. There is

a lot of politics surrounding the XMRV issue. Interestingly, while some

in the mainstream medical profession are saying that XMRV never really

existed, lots of people on the health forums state they tested positive

for it by reputable labs. So, not sure how this is all going to play

out, but I feel way better when I take anti-virals, so that speaks

volumes to me.

Autism appears to be from the immune system not fighting off the

pathogens correctly. Something is causing this. Unfortunately, since

mercury and other toxins also cause this and are also a big problem,

it's difficult to figure out if there is a main cause. It appears as if

there are several main causes. HTLV-1 is very similar to XMRV, and I

believe that it should be making headlines. I'll bet a lot of people

have it, causing their immune systems to work amiss. I know a lot of

people who are ill, only do what mainstream docs say, and keep declining

because it's not enough. I really don't think at this point that anyone

has figured out an easy solution. It appears that we still have to

rebuild the immune system in numerous ways, which most alternative

health practitioners are aware of. So, even if one has XMRV as the

cause of their ills, it appears that by the time they are showing

chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many toxins and pathogens, so

treatment is still rebuilding the immune system from many directions.

When you look at Lyme and PANDAS, treating them relieves symptoms, but

unfortunately, the person still has relapses and seems to need to

continue to support their immune system and keep a cautiously healthy

lifestyle. So, they obviously contribute to symptoms, but they seem to

not be the independent cause of the person's ill health.

If I have found anything new and different in a while, faith and prayer

are still my most successful path to healing. Not just in amazing

prayer answers, but in the little things I learn from others after

praying. I have not researched enough to know if those testing positive

with XMRV do have a new virus, or if they have the similar virus,

HTLV-1. Either way, they both reportedly downplay the immune system,

but . . . . the talk is that if people are not exposed to other

stressors, they may not show signs of sickness, which fits in with the

going path of chronic conditions - symptoms wax and wane, and relapse

rates are high when treatments are stopped.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Heidi,

A while back you posted a really interesting article about XMRV, and how

you thought maybe this was the underlying cause of things, maybe like

Lyme and Pandas. I was just wondering what you may have found out

between now and then? Do you still think this could be it?

Thanks,

Bethany

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Thanks so much for that response! I have been feeling that sense of

responsibility to the younger generations; I have a neice and a sister that are

going to start having children in a year, and of course my own childrens'

children...how can we help them survive this?

I also recently started my 7 year old " NT " daughter on OLE, and she has

improved, like a different child. So now I'm assuming she is also battling this

underlying condition, be it XMRV or whatever. And I recently developed

cystitis, which I understand can be caused by bartonella. Reseveratrol is

helping me with it, and GSE.

What antivirals have you found the most success with? I will definitely do some

research on HTLV-1. I so appreciate your great example of having faith. I have

relied on that when times have been very dark for me. I have tried to do the

same, it's been a real battle for me.

Thanks so much!!

Bethany

>

> I haven't learned anything more specific to this, but all things I have

> learned do point to this a very likely main contributor to the world's

> declining state of health. It's important for us older folks to educate

> the younger folks, that there was a time when only old people got

> chronic diseases, other than a few well-known genetic conditions. Small

> children use to not get Bipolar, and no one had ADHD. Asthma was very

> rare, as well as cancer. It's not just autism that is on the rise, but

> seemingly all conditions that mainstream medical says there is no agreed

> upon cause, is on the rise. So, until the world starts looking for

> causes and treating them, I am not seeing how much can change. There is

> a lot of politics surrounding the XMRV issue. Interestingly, while some

> in the mainstream medical profession are saying that XMRV never really

> existed, lots of people on the health forums state they tested positive

> for it by reputable labs. So, not sure how this is all going to play

> out, but I feel way better when I take anti-virals, so that speaks

> volumes to me.

>

> Autism appears to be from the immune system not fighting off the

> pathogens correctly. Something is causing this. Unfortunately, since

> mercury and other toxins also cause this and are also a big problem,

> it's difficult to figure out if there is a main cause. It appears as if

> there are several main causes. HTLV-1 is very similar to XMRV, and I

> believe that it should be making headlines. I'll bet a lot of people

> have it, causing their immune systems to work amiss. I know a lot of

> people who are ill, only do what mainstream docs say, and keep declining

> because it's not enough. I really don't think at this point that anyone

> has figured out an easy solution. It appears that we still have to

> rebuild the immune system in numerous ways, which most alternative

> health practitioners are aware of. So, even if one has XMRV as the

> cause of their ills, it appears that by the time they are showing

> chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many toxins and pathogens, so

> treatment is still rebuilding the immune system from many directions.

>

> When you look at Lyme and PANDAS, treating them relieves symptoms, but

> unfortunately, the person still has relapses and seems to need to

> continue to support their immune system and keep a cautiously healthy

> lifestyle. So, they obviously contribute to symptoms, but they seem to

> not be the independent cause of the person's ill health.

>

> If I have found anything new and different in a while, faith and prayer

> are still my most successful path to healing. Not just in amazing

> prayer answers, but in the little things I learn from others after

> praying. I have not researched enough to know if those testing positive

> with XMRV do have a new virus, or if they have the similar virus,

> HTLV-1. Either way, they both reportedly downplay the immune system,

> but . . . . the talk is that if people are not exposed to other

> stressors, they may not show signs of sickness, which fits in with the

> going path of chronic conditions - symptoms wax and wane, and relapse

> rates are high when treatments are stopped.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

>

> Heidi,

>

> A while back you posted a really interesting article about XMRV, and how

> you thought maybe this was the underlying cause of things, maybe like

> Lyme and Pandas. I was just wondering what you may have found out

> between now and then? Do you still think this could be it?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Bethany

>

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I have had success with lots of antivirals. Unfortunately, none of them were

magical. LDM-100, artemisia, Takuna, were some strong ones. Maybe I never took

high enough and long enough of a dose to get cured. Most herbs seen on these

forums have effects on some bacteria as well as some viruses. A doc who had

been treating Lyme for many years, said he learned that the best way to treat

his patients was to give them several things aimed at what he perceived the main

pathogen causing that particular patient's symptoms. So, I am guessing, it's

probably best to have several things working together aimed at the main pathogen

causing symptoms. Since HTLV-1 and XMRV are retroviruses like HIV, then seeking

out treatments for HIV, may give lots of leads on what will work on HTLV-1 and

XMRV. Luckily, we have lots of choices, but each person has different success

with each treatment which makes choosing difficult. My kids' doc likes to use

Neuro-Immune Infection Control by www.neurobiologix.com. It did take away

warts, but I didn't see any cures from it, other than the warts. But I do think

it helped decrease symptoms, just like most all of their treatments have. Keep

in mind that they are in managed recovery, so I am guessing that if they were in

full blown symptoms, there would have been much more of a noticing of symptom

reduction.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

> >

> > I haven't learned anything more specific to this, but all things I have

> > learned do point to this a very likely main contributor to the world's

> > declining state of health. It's important for us older folks to educate

> > the younger folks, that there was a time when only old people got

> > chronic diseases, other than a few well-known genetic conditions. Small

> > children use to not get Bipolar, and no one had ADHD. Asthma was very

> > rare, as well as cancer. It's not just autism that is on the rise, but

> > seemingly all conditions that mainstream medical says there is no agreed

> > upon cause, is on the rise. So, until the world starts looking for

> > causes and treating them, I am not seeing how much can change. There is

> > a lot of politics surrounding the XMRV issue. Interestingly, while some

> > in the mainstream medical profession are saying that XMRV never really

> > existed, lots of people on the health forums state they tested positive

> > for it by reputable labs. So, not sure how this is all going to play

> > out, but I feel way better when I take anti-virals, so that speaks

> > volumes to me.

> >

> > Autism appears to be from the immune system not fighting off the

> > pathogens correctly. Something is causing this. Unfortunately, since

> > mercury and other toxins also cause this and are also a big problem,

> > it's difficult to figure out if there is a main cause. It appears as if

> > there are several main causes. HTLV-1 is very similar to XMRV, and I

> > believe that it should be making headlines. I'll bet a lot of people

> > have it, causing their immune systems to work amiss. I know a lot of

> > people who are ill, only do what mainstream docs say, and keep declining

> > because it's not enough. I really don't think at this point that anyone

> > has figured out an easy solution. It appears that we still have to

> > rebuild the immune system in numerous ways, which most alternative

> > health practitioners are aware of. So, even if one has XMRV as the

> > cause of their ills, it appears that by the time they are showing

> > chronic symptoms, they have stockpiled many toxins and pathogens, so

> > treatment is still rebuilding the immune system from many directions.

> >

> > When you look at Lyme and PANDAS, treating them relieves symptoms, but

> > unfortunately, the person still has relapses and seems to need to

> > continue to support their immune system and keep a cautiously healthy

> > lifestyle. So, they obviously contribute to symptoms, but they seem to

> > not be the independent cause of the person's ill health.

> >

> > If I have found anything new and different in a while, faith and prayer

> > are still my most successful path to healing. Not just in amazing

> > prayer answers, but in the little things I learn from others after

> > praying. I have not researched enough to know if those testing positive

> > with XMRV do have a new virus, or if they have the similar virus,

> > HTLV-1. Either way, they both reportedly downplay the immune system,

> > but . . . . the talk is that if people are not exposed to other

> > stressors, they may not show signs of sickness, which fits in with the

> > going path of chronic conditions - symptoms wax and wane, and relapse

> > rates are high when treatments are stopped.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Heidi,

> >

> > A while back you posted a really interesting article about XMRV, and how

> > you thought maybe this was the underlying cause of things, maybe like

> > Lyme and Pandas. I was just wondering what you may have found out

> > between now and then? Do you still think this could be it?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Bethany

> >

>

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