Re: Can lyme/bart. cause clostridia??

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Clostridia is a different organism and is not caused by any other infection. Treatment with some antibiotics may cause clostridia to flare, but that does not necessarily mean treatment for other infections has to stop. It is possible to treat clostridia at the same time as the other infections, and include lots of probiotics in between doses of antibiotics for lyme, bart and clostridia. Anne Mears, RN, MSN/IHmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of lillydemarestSent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:56 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Can lyme/bart. cause clostridia?? she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop lyme/bart. treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband said enough is enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so the clostridia does not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the clostridia and then get back on lyme treatment. I would add lots of probiotics in to help the clostridia. What do you think???

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i was told that i could not treat the lyme with minocyline and the clostridia with vancomycen at the same time (drug interaction). so, doctor wants me to stop the mino. and he said bring the vanco on board for clostridia instead, because it fights the clostridia and also works for lyme. 

 

Clostridia is a different organism and is not caused by any other infection.  Treatment with some antibiotics may cause clostridia to flare, but that does not necessarily mean treatment for other infections has to stop.  It is possible to treat clostridia at the same time as the other infections, and include lots of probiotics in between doses of antibiotics for lyme, bart and clostridia.

 Anne Mears, RN, MSN/IH

mcfighter@... 

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of lillydemarest

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:56 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Can lyme/bart. cause clostridia??

   she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop lyme/bart. treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband said enough is enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so the clostridia does not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the clostridia and then get back on lyme treatment. I would add lots of probiotics in to help the clostridia. What do you think???

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it is true that some antibiotics cannot be taken together, due to drug interactions. Vanco needs to be taken orally to treat clostridia, as it will not cross the blood-gut barrier. When taken orally, it will only fight lyme spirochetes that happen to be in the gut. It would also need to be given IV to fight the Lyme elsewhere in the body. There are also other antibiotics that can be taken along with Vanco that will treat Lyme. Anne Mears, RN, MSN/IHmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Lilly DemarestSent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:36 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Can lyme/bart. cause clostridia?? i was told that i could not treat the lyme with minocyline and the clostridia with vancomycen at the same time (drug interaction). so, doctor wants me to stop the mino. and he said bring the vanco on board for clostridia instead, because it fights the clostridia and also works for lyme. Clostridia is a different organism and is not caused by any other infection. Treatment with some antibiotics may cause clostridia to flare, but that does not necessarily mean treatment for other infections has to stop. It is possible to treat clostridia at the same time as the other infections, and include lots of probiotics in between doses of antibiotics for lyme, bart and clostridia. Anne Mears, RN, MSN/IHmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of lillydemarestSent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:56 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Can lyme/bart. cause clostridia?? she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop lyme/bart. treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband said enough is enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so the clostridia does not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the clostridia and then get back on lyme treatment. I would add lots of probiotics in to help the clostridia. What do you think???

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Our use of tindamax as part of our lyme antibiotics flared something that

matched the description of clostridia (smelling diarhea, night waking). We

tried pulsing flagyl after tindamax to knock it down, which worked, but the

flares did not stop coming. We have since began using MMS and we no longer have

the flares.

Caryn

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> she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could

lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop lyme/bart.

treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband said enough is

enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so the clostridia does

not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the clostridia and then get back on

lyme treatment. I would add lots of probiotics in to help the clostridia. What

do you think???

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biociden has been great to bring the load down of clostridia in my son but as

soon as i stop it, it comes back with a vengence, anyone have ideas?

also, what is everyone using for bart? we are doing 1 cap neem a day but not

seeing a whole lot with it.

also wondering those who have used cholystyramine, did your child have the GI

side effects of bloating, gas, reflux and constipation? my son has and it is

bad, doc just told us to stop using it...

deborah

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> > Clostridia is a different organism and is not caused by any other

> > infection. Treatment with some antibiotics may cause clostridia to flare,

> > but that does not necessarily mean treatment for other infections has to

> > stop. It is possible to treat clostridia at the same time as the other

> > infections, and include lots of probiotics in between doses of antibiotics

> > for lyme, bart and clostridia.****

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> > Anne Mears, RN, MSN/IH****

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> > *From:* BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:

> > BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] *On Behalf Of *

> > lillydemarest

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> > *Subject:* Can lyme/bart. cause

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> > she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could

> > lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop

> > lyme/bart. treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband

> > said enough is enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so

> > the clostridia does not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the

> > clostridia and then get back on lyme treatment. I would add lots of

> > probiotics in to help the clostridia. What do you think??? ****

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Culturelle and/or sacc boulardii--empty stomach before bed--lots of capsule$$$

Green tea extract on an empty stomach with peptizyde enzyme during the day.

Lauricidin another time of day.

This worked for my son to get rid of clostridia.

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:04:09 PMSubject: Re: Can lyme/bart. cause clostridia??

biociden has been great to bring the load down of clostridia in my son but as soon as i stop it, it comes back with a vengence, anyone have ideas?also, what is everyone using for bart? we are doing 1 cap neem a day but not seeing a whole lot with it. also wondering those who have used cholystyramine, did your child have the GI side effects of bloating, gas, reflux and constipation? my son has and it is bad, doc just told us to stop using it...deborah> > > **> >> >> > Clostridia is a different organism and is not caused by any other> > infection. Treatment with some antibiotics may cause clostridia to flare,> > but that does not necessarily mean treatment for other infections has to> > stop. It is possible to treat clostridia at the same time as the other> > infections, and include lots of probiotics in between doses of antibiotics> > for lyme, bart and clostridia.****> >> > ** **> >> > Anne Mears, RN, MSN/IH****> >> > mcfighter@...****> >> > ** **> >> > *From:* BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:> > BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] *On Behalf Of *> > lillydemarest> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:56 PM> > *To:* BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > > *Subject:* Can lyme/bart. cause> > clostridia??****> >> > ** **>

>> > ****> >> > she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could> > lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop> > lyme/bart. treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband> > said enough is enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so> > the clostridia does not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the> > clostridia and then get back on lyme treatment. I would add lots of> > probiotics in to help the clostridia. What do you think??? ****> >> > ****> >> > > >>

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On the Lyme forums, where mostly just adults are talked about, I saw

several posts on Cholestryamine; they appear to either benefit

noticeabley from it or are unable to tolerate it. The talk is that

several who can not tolerate it take cholestepure instead. I have mixed

feelings about this. I have seen research that over half of those with

autism have too low of cholesterol, so I wonder about the effect these

products have. But, for adults, I am guessing that it isn't a concern

since it appears to be a rare thing to have low cholesterol in adults.

I guess the true picture is how are the kids reacting to it. Since I

have only seen the few posts we have recently had on this forum on it, I

can't say how it affects kids. Hopefully, Googling and asking your doc

will help determine how kids are reacting to these. There is one

popular Lyme doc who states that he has his Lyme patients go on a

low-fat diet or they do not get better. I can't remember his name right

now; probably better health guy knows. I started taking African Mango

because the mold warrior doc says that the Leptin needs to be reset, and

it reportedly affects the leptin. It supposed to also reduce

cholesterol and weight. I haven't lost any weight, but it does give me

gobs more energy. So not sure how all this plays out or how this

pertains to children, but just sharing some info for you to check into.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

biociden has been great to bring the load down of clostridia in my son

but as soon as i stop it, it comes back with a vengence, anyone have ideas?

also, what is everyone using for bart? we are doing 1 cap neem a day but

not seeing a whole lot with it.

also wondering those who have used cholystyramine, did your child have

the GI side effects of bloating, gas, reflux and constipation? my son

has and it is bad, doc just told us to stop using it...

deborah

[Guest guest]

thanks david...can i ask what the enzyme is helping with?

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> > > Clostridia is a different organism and is not caused by any other

> > > infection. Treatment with some antibiotics may cause clostridia to flare,

> > > but that does not necessarily mean treatment for other infections has to

> > > stop. It is possible to treat clostridia at the same time as the other

> > > infections, and include lots of probiotics in between doses of antibiotics

> > > for lyme, bart and clostridia.****

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> > > Anne Mears, RN, MSN/IH****

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> > > *From:* BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:

> > > BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] *On Behalf Of *

> > > lillydemarest

> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 01, 2012 3:56 PM

> > > *To:* BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> > > *Subject:* Can lyme/bart. cause

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> > > she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could

> > > lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop

> > > lyme/bart. treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband

> > > said enough is enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so

> > > the clostridia does not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the

> > > clostridia and then get back on lyme treatment. I would add lots of

> > > probiotics in to help the clostridia. What do you think??? ****

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