Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Hi Jess, I experience you as very gentle. Thank you for that warm and thoughtful response. I particularly like the line... " I walked though the valley of death, and now I know life... " there is a simple truth in that, that is liberating. Once you've passed through that valley it is possible to develop an awareness of what is significant to life (it resembles but is not quite 'meaning'). Fact is, we are all just organic matter anyway, given the big picture. I certainly agree about the relentless bombardment of tragic news, it's constantly broadcast throughout our airways and splashed on the front page of newspapers (right under the chance to win, win, win). I do find all of that a bit overwhelming and discouraging so my strategy over the last few months has been abstinence. I watch television on the computer because it is ad free, (nice), I spend copious hours with my music instead of catching the news or the latest gory crime show. It works although I miss my current affairs. Even though I do get a bit wound up with all that romanticising of death, I too can see why people may go that way. At this stage in my journey, death is just a given. It is neither here nor there. It is simply another experience, It is not a resignation, like 'that's all there is', it is an understanding that things naturally unfold. (I was a bit slow off the mark with this one, I feel like I'm developing an understanding now though). Most certainly Jess it is much easier these days to let those images and thoughts be what they are, the relentless coming and going can get tiresome but even that is becoming easier. I'm truly thankful for all my lessons, in all their different forms. I often wonder where all this learning will take me next because there always seems to be something else around the corner. with warm regard, Lou -- In ACT_for_the_Public , " jessica y " wrote: > > Lou: > > To be honest, I didn't entangle much with the thought of death. > But I think I know what you mean, in movies, in literature , drama, even Shakespeare....all advocate unhealthy,very ill thoughts(in my opinion, of course) to human society, As if death so romantic and so sexual..... > > But can we see these idea of " death " as just a image, an thought and detached from it, Yes, It just a thoughts, and most image associated with it come from media,unhealthy advertisement --- not even belong to us. > > just recognize this kind of thoughts and let come and go.... > > As I grow, I do see the other meaning of death---life and death as the everlasting dance to renew universe, our naive self die, give way to more mature self. Yes, My little self-- once so self-absorbed, codependent, sentimental dead. and give life to more broad self--- compassion, independent, mature.... even my love dead, I give away the narrow limited version of love and open my heart to love the world and all being, human and animals ... > > I walked though the valley of death, and now I know life... > > bless be... > > > > > > > > I hear, smell, feel the impact of death Detlef, I know I want it but it doesn't work for me because I had a DAUGHTER. She teaches me about life. > > > > I am/you are here, > > > > Lou > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Lou: you may like to see this movie, the audio language in English, sub-title is in Chinese. http://web.wenxuecity.com/BBSView_archives.php?SubID=teatime & MsgID=153101 & yr=200\ 8 the title is " life after life " , you can also search in youtube No matter we believe or not, there is possibility something bigger outside of material scope, life, growth, joy , tears do have meaning.... will go to holiday soon, happy 2012 new year! Jess > > > > > > I hear, smell, feel the impact of death Detlef, I know I want it but it doesn't work for me because I had a DAUGHTER. She teaches me about life. > > > > > > I am/you are here, > > > > > > Lou > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Thank you for the video Jess, In the past I have been very sceptical about accounts of near death experiences, I figure that one could find just as many accounts of UFO sightings or mythical creatures and some scientist somewhere will write something to credit it. So, I worked to view the stories for its content as opposed to judging it. I found it most interesting that the end reports were of unconditional love. (A quick story...) The third or fourth therapy session I had, I was telling stories of my grief in the struggles with my daughter. At that time I was acting irrationally and slipped sometimes in my ability to remain patient. The therapist recognised that my suffering was coming from a place of conflict between my actions and my values. " It sounds like you love her unconditionally " , says the therapist. It felt like I had been king hit, smack! I was instantly transported out of the room to the moment when my child was born, the first time I really saw into her eyes and knew of purity in all its vulnerability. I learnt about unconditional love in that very moment of my life and I have treasured it ever since. I guess the pathway to living vitally then, surrounds ones experience of knowing unconditional love for self and others. (The self is a big challenge to so many of us here, we often tend to be self critical, I know I need to catch it more often). I also found it interesting that they reported the point of understanding unconditional love was the same moment they learnt or experienced forgiveness. At that point they describe a sensation of presence, a feeling of not being entirely alone in that moment. I wonder if that guy is right about that being a " spiritual self " , I guess you could substitute that with " observing self " or " transcendent self " . I interpret that as a moment of fully knowing/feeling/seeing/understanding your own shortcomings and accepting change encompassed by a value for self. (I shake my head in disbelief at past risk taking, no value for self at all). Another thing that struck me were the many reports of a dislike for their body in that sickly state. Certainly I believe there is no fear in death, I imagine it is more like a simple transformation from being this to that. The body is just a useful tool (be it one boundless in pleasure and pain). Do you know what that guy meant by " dialectic materialism " and " historical materialism " ? I would like to say how much I have appreciated this exchange. I find that most people feel uncomfortable with the topic of death. For me, these conversations are about strategies for living. My pictorial mind has me right back looking at that coin, showing me life and death side by side. I wish you well and the best for your vacation. Lou PS. My mind made the Chinese charactors into pieces of art. The Chinese have beautiful writing, so do the Japanese. I particularly like the style of Arabic text, it is so fluid and full of curves. > > > > > > > > I hear, smell, feel the impact of death Detlef, I know I want it but it doesn't work for me because I had a DAUGHTER. She teaches me about life. > > > > > > > > I am/you are here, > > > > > > > > Lou > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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