Re: Alpha Stim

[Guest guest]

Hi SimoneIs this like portable ECT? Not seen it before. Looking at the site, my instinct is that it doesn't sit well with my understanding of the causes of depression and anxiety:"Microcurrent electrical stimulation is a small current and one that can penetrate the cells and balance the cell electricity, repairing them after injury and restoring a more normal physiological state to the damaged cells in the healing process."In other words, depressed people have damaged brains, and this can fix it.But, I haven't seen any of the evidence supporting its use so I'd be foolish to dismiss it so glibly! Nothing ventured, nothing gained, perhaps? x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 11:42 Subject: Alpha

Stim

Hi,

I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

Simone

[Guest guest]

Check out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy

I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. There is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more researcj; some say no difference from placebo. Personally, I would save my money.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AMSubject: Alpha Stim

Hi,I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/Simone

[Guest guest]

Hi Helena/,

Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair bit of research on the Uk Site,

http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html

which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my money....tempting though...

Simone

To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

Check out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy

I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. There is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more researcj; some say no difference from placebo. Personally, I would save my money.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AMSubject: Alpha Stim

Hi,I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/Simone

[Guest guest]

Hi Simone

There are much cheaper machines around that do the same thing. I would do a bit

of googling.

Kate

>

> Hi Helena/,

>  

> Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair bit

of research on the Uk Site,

> http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html

>  

> which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my money....tempting

though...

>  

>  

> Simone

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >

> Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50

> Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

>

>

>  

> Check out:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy

>  

> I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med.  There is

some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more

researcj; some say no difference from placebo.  Personally, I would save my

money.

>

> Helena

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM

> Subject: Alpha Stim

>

>  

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come

across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in

conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you

think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

>

> http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

>

> Simone

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate,

I have done. Can't seem to find anything similar.

Simone

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 23:22Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

Hi Simone There are much cheaper machines around that do the same thing. I would do a bit of googling.Kate>> Hi Helena/,> Â > Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair bit of research on the Uk Site, > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html> Â > which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my money....tempting though...> Â > Â > Simone> > ________________________________> From: hbbr

> To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50> Subject: Re: Alpha Stim> > >  > Check out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy>  > I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. There is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more researcj; some say no difference from placebo. Personally, I would save my money.> > Helena>  > > ________________________________> > From: "yoganut99"

> To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM> Subject: Alpha Stim> > Â > > > Hi,> > I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!> > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/> > Simone>

[Guest guest]

I have tried Alpha Stim and have a unit.

Here's their website;

http://www.alpha-stim.com/

I believe that it works but unfortunately for me it got my brain a bit racing. I

think this has to do with my brain chemistry being a bit sensitive due to my

past abuse of recreational drugs. My doctors want me to stay away from anything

that gets my brain spinning a bit fast which also includes meds. Overall, I

would recommend it and I wish that it worked better for me.

Blessings!

Values + Committed Action = JOY!!!

Hi Helena/,

Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair bit

of research on the Uk Site,

http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html

which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my money....tempting

though...

Simone

________________________________

From: hbbr <hbbr@...

To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public

Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50

Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

Check out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy

I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. There is some

research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more researcj; some

say no difference from placebo. Personally, I would save my money.

Helena

________________________________

From: " yoganut99 " <adrianandboo@...

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public

Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM

Subject: Alpha Stim

Hi,

I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come

across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in

conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you

think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

Simone

[Guest guest]

I did buy a cheaper brand a few years ago, but can't lay my hands on it at the

moment and can't remember the brand, but it was considerably cheaper than The

Alpha-stim model, it may not be available anymore. I did find this other one on

the net:

http://www.austinmedical.com/mettristim.html but it's not that much cheaper

Cheers

Kate

> >

> > Hi Helena/,

> >  

> > Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair

bit of research on the Uk Site,

> > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html

> >  

> > which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my money....tempting

though...

> >  

> >  

> > Simone

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: hbbr <hbbr@>

> > To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >

> > Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50

> > Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

> >

> >

> >  

> > Check out: 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy

> >  

> > I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med.  There

is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more

researcj; some say no difference from placebo.  Personally, I would save my

money.

> >

> > Helena

> >  

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: " yoganut99 " <adrianandboo@>

> > To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

> > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM

> > Subject: Alpha Stim

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just

come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in

conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you

think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

> >

> > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

> >

> > Simone

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kate, did you find it helpful? For what?

Just curious ...

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 4:42:25 PMSubject: Re: Alpha Stim

I did buy a cheaper brand a few years ago, but can't lay my hands on it at the moment and can't remember the brand, but it was considerably cheaper than The Alpha-stim model, it may not be available anymore. I did find this other one on the net:http://www.austinmedical.com/mettristim.html but it's not that much cheaperCheersKate> >> > Hi Helena/,> >  > > Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair bit of research on the Uk Site, > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html> >  > > which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my money....tempting though...> >  > >  > > Simone> > > > ________________________________> > From: hbbr <hbbr@>> > To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50> > Subject: Re: Alpha Stim> > > > > >  > > Check out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy> >  > > I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. There is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more researcj; some say no difference from placebo. Personally, I would save my money.> > > > Helena> >  > > > > ________________________________> > > > From: "yoganut99" <adrianandboo@>> > To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM> > Subject: Alpha Stim> > > >  > > > > > > Hi,> > > > I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!> > > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/> > > > Simone> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Helena

I bought it because I was in one of those recurring phases of wanting to " fix

myself " . (They reoccur a lot!) Depression, anxiety, general feelings of crap

and dysfunction.

I didn't really give it much of a go, probably only used it a dozen times, and

then got out of the habit. Can't say I noticed any real change, although the

sitting quietly while I had it on was probably beneficial. It got packed up

when I moved house and I haven't seen it since! I will look it out and try it

again. Can't hurt. I'm going through some ghastly stuff at work at the moment

and am off on stress leave, so it will be interesting to see if it has any

effect on my stress levels. I got interested in them because my partner's

medical doctor was very keen on them and had ones he hired out to patients.

Thought it was worth investigating.

Cheers

Kate

> > >

> > > Hi Helena/,

> > >  

> > > Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair

bit of research on the Uk Site,

> > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html

> > >  

> > > which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my

money....tempting though...

> > >  

> > >  

> > > Simone

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: hbbr <hbbr@>

> > > To: ACT for the Public < ACT_for_the_Public >

> > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50

> > > Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > Check out: 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy

> > >  

> > > I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. 

There is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials

or more researcj; some say no difference from placebo.  Personally, I

would save my money.

> > >

> > > Helena

> > >  

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > From: " yoganut99 " <adrianandboo@>

> > > To: " ACT for the Public " < ACT_for_the_Public >

> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM

> > > Subject: Alpha Stim

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just

come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in

conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you

think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

> > >

> > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

> > >

> > > Simone

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My first reaction on reading about Alpha Stim on this thread was, as skeptic

Randi might say, woo woo. Just another device 'backed up' by

scientific-sounding flim-flam. Another money-making scam.

Now, after spending a couple of hours googling 'alpha stim skeptic' and 'alpha

stim scientific evidence', I'm not so sure. The evidence (involving double-blind

tests, generally small sample sizes, peer-review, meta-analysis, etc) is

unclear. It may work as advertised or it may not, I just don't know.

I haven't looked at the Alpha Stim website, and I'm not inclined to, since

they're trying to sell a product and they might be guilty of confirmation bias

(ie, our innate tendency to notice evidence that confirms our belief and ignore

evidence that doesn't).

My advice (for what it's worth) is to do some research before shelling out

several hundred dollars on something that may or may not work.

I found a couple of sites on my travels that might be worth checking out:

Wikipedia has an article on Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation (CES):

http://tinyurl.com/hnaj5

Another useful article is on BrainBlogger:

http://tinyurl.com/7g3gasz

Personally, I'd stick with ACT. There's stacks of good, solid evidence to back

it up. It's not a quick fix and it takes effort but, in my experience, it works,

and works well.

Cheers,

Stan

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come

across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in

conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you

think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

>

>

> http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

>

>

> Simone

>

[Guest guest]

Does the book the " power of now."..teach act principles...anybody read this book.

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From:

Stan ;

To:

<ACT_for_the_Public >;

Subject:

Re: Alpha Stim

Sent:

Fri, Mar 2, 2012 2:20:13 AM

My first reaction on reading about Alpha Stim on this thread was, as skeptic Randi might say, woo woo. Just another device 'backed up' by scientific-sounding flim-flam. Another money-making scam.

Now, after spending a couple of hours googling 'alpha stim skeptic' and 'alpha stim scientific evidence', I'm not so sure. The evidence (involving double-blind tests, generally small sample sizes, peer-review, meta-analysis, etc) is unclear. It may work as advertised or it may not, I just don't know.

I haven't looked at the Alpha Stim website, and I'm not inclined to, since they're trying to sell a product and they might be guilty of confirmation bias (ie, our innate tendency to notice evidence that confirms our belief and ignore evidence that doesn't).

My advice (for what it's worth) is to do some research before shelling out several hundred dollars on something that may or may not work.

I found a couple of sites on my travels that might be worth checking out:

Wikipedia has an article on Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation (CES):

http://tinyurl.com/hnaj5

Another useful article is on BrainBlogger:

http://tinyurl.com/7g3gasz

Personally, I'd stick with ACT. There's stacks of good, solid evidence to back it up. It's not a quick fix and it takes effort but, in my experience, it works, and works well.

Cheers,

Stan

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

>

>

> http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

>

>

> Simone

>

[Guest guest]

I have fond memories of reading Eckhart Tolle. I loved his book " The Power of

Now " so much that I read it back-to-back five times in a row. I even bought CDs

and DVDs of his talks and spent countless hours listening to them and wishing I

could experience the world the way he did, and live a life totally free of

anxiety and suffering.

He talked about a branch of Hinduism called Advaita Vedanta. I fell in love with

it even more deeply. Its teachings rang so true that I ended up believing that

everything was consciousness (God) and consciousness (God) was everything.

And then I realised how ludicrous it was. What does saying that everything is

consciousness/God really mean? Nothing, it seems to me now. His promise seems to

be that, if you can see reality the way he does, you can live a life totally

free of any suffering whatever.

My opinion these days: he's wrong, and reality isn't the way he says it is.

We've evolved to be story-telling, problem-solving creatures, and suffering is

part of the human condition. We always have been, we are now, and we always will

be. It's in our DNA.

There's a lot of wisdom in Tolle's words. In one of his books he says " " The

human condition: lost in thought " . That statement rings true even now and lies

at the heart of ACT.

But...

A lot of what he says doesn't ring true for me, and untangling his wisdom from

his bullshit too much work.

If you want a critical opinion, I suggest reading Tom e's review on his

Naturalist website " :

http://www.naturalism.org/tolle.htm

Cheers,

Stan

>

>

> Does the book the " power of now. " ..teach act principles...anybody read this

book.

>

> Sent from Yahoo!7 Mail on Android

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate, and others,

Thanks for this but I've taken the plunge and ordered it! There is some good stuff on you tube about people who have tried it with good results, also it has been on the BBC Good Morning Programme, and the doctor on that said 'it was a serious bit of kit'. - I can't seem to find anything negative. The Microcurrent Site, who I bought the system off have a rent to buy scheme, so I paid £99 and then will pay in instalments up to the value of £350. Also the manager of the company said that I can get vat (Tax) returned through NHS if you have a diagnosed anxiety disorder - so I thought that was pretty good too. This company is Kosha, and seem very professional.

I'm going into this with eyes wide open. May help, may not, nothing ventured nothing gained. The company manager said that 'no' it does not help everyone - but it does help 90% of people who try it, but you have to give it a chance and play with it for a while.

In no way in this a replacement for ACT. And I know that there is probably an element here of not wanting to feel anxiety- but actually I am feeling pretty good at the moment but I do have a big leap coming up and I thought this just might be another tool in my arsenal!

I'll let you know how I get on!

Simone

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012, 21:42Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

I did buy a cheaper brand a few years ago, but can't lay my hands on it at the moment and can't remember the brand, but it was considerably cheaper than The Alpha-stim model, it may not be available anymore. I did find this other one on the net:http://www.austinmedical.com/mettristim.html but it's not that much cheaperCheersKate> >> > Hi Helena/,> >  > > Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair bit of research on the Uk Site, > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html> >  > > which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my money....tempting though...> >  > >  > > Simone> > > > ________________________________> > From: hbbr <hbbr@>> > To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50> > Subject: Re: Alpha Stim> > > > > >  > > Check out: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy> >  > > I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. There is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials or more researcj; some say no difference from placebo. Personally, I would save my money.> > > > Helena> >  > > > > ________________________________> > > > From: "yoganut99" <adrianandboo@>> > To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM> > Subject:

Alpha Stim> > > >  > > > > > > Hi,> > > > I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!> > > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/> > > > Simone> >>

[Guest guest]

I loved reading Eckhart Tolle, also. But I never got any traction in life by reading his works. He offers no workable practical suggestions to how to "get out of your mind" and "into your life" as ACT does. There is little or no emphasis on values.

So ... deep philosophy ... profound words ... yes. Helpful? Not so much.

Helena

To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 3:55:33 AMSubject: Re: Alpha Stim

I have fond memories of reading Eckhart Tolle. I loved his book "The Power of Now"so much that I read it back-to-back five times in a row. I even bought CDs and DVDs of his talks and spent countless hours listening to them and wishing I could experience the world the way he did, and live a life totally free of anxiety and suffering.He talked about a branch of Hinduism called Advaita Vedanta. I fell in love with it even more deeply. Its teachings rang so true that I ended up believing that everything was consciousness (God) and consciousness (God) was everything.And then I realised how ludicrous it was. What does saying that everything is consciousness/God really mean? Nothing, it seems to me now. His promise seems to be that, if you can see reality the way he does, you can live a life totally free of any suffering whatever.My opinion these days: he's wrong, and reality isn't the way he says it is. We've evolved to be story-telling, problem-solving creatures, and suffering is part of the human condition. We always have been, we are now, and we always will be. It's in our DNA.There's a lot of wisdom in Tolle's words. In one of his books he says" "The human condition: lost in thought". That statement rings true even now and lies at the heart of ACT.But...A lot of what he says doesn't ring true for me, and untangling his wisdom from his bullshit too much work.If you want a critical opinion, I suggest reading Tom e's review on his Naturalist website":http://www.naturalism.org/tolle.htmCheers,Stan--- In ACT_for_the_Public , Vi c Vi wrote:>> > Does the book the " power of now."..teach act principles...anybody read this book.> > Sent from Yahoo!7 Mail on Android>

[Guest guest]

Hi Simone

I'll be interested to hear how you find it! I managed to find mine today and am

going to try it out some more. I'll share my experiences here. I don't think

there's anything wrong with " not wanting to feel anxiety " !

Cheers

Kate

> > >

> > > Hi Helena/,

> > >  

> > > Well I don't know either. I just find it quite intriguing. There is a fair

bit of research on the Uk Site,

> > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/anxiety-stress-anxiety-research.html

> > >  

> > > which is interesting. But you are probably right - save my

money....tempting though...

> > >  

> > >  

> > > Simone

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: hbbr <hbbr@>

> > > To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >

> > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012, 12:50

> > > Subject: Re: Alpha Stim

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > > Check out: 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=microcurrent%20therapy

> > >  

> > > I see nothing about studies for psychological issues on Pub Med. 

There is some research cited for phsyical issues - most call for trials

or more researcj; some say no difference from placebo.  Personally, I

would save my money.

> > >

> > > Helena

> > >  

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > From: " yoganut99 " <adrianandboo@>

> > > To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:42:07 AM

> > > Subject: Alpha Stim

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I was just wondering if any of you guys have tried Alpha Stim? I've just

come across it and it looks an interesting alternative to medication if used in

conjunction with ACT. Take a look at the website below and let me know what you

think. It does'nt appear to be quackery - but then maybe I'm just desperate!

> > >

> > > http://www.themicrocurrentsite.co.uk/

> > >

> > > Simone

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I havent read it all yet, but it seems easy to read,and he explains well how he see thoughts as just thoughts and if you wait for thoughts there not as intrusive. Iike act therapy..it is easy to read.

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From:

hbbr ;

To:

ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public >;

Subject:

Re: Re: Alpha Stim

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I loved reading Eckhart Tolle, also. But I never got any traction in life by reading his works. He offers no workable practical suggestions to how to " get out of your mind " and " into your life " as ACT does. There is little or no emphasis on values.

So ... deep philosophy ... profound words ... yes. Helpful? Not so much.

Helena

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I have fond memories of reading Eckhart Tolle. I loved his book " The Power of Now " so much that I read it back-to-back five times in a row. I even bought CDs and DVDs of his talks and spent countless hours listening to them and wishing I could experience the world the way he did, and live a life totally free of anxiety and suffering.He talked about a branch of Hinduism called Advaita Vedanta. I fell in love with it even more deeply. Its teachings rang so true that I ended up believing that everything was consciousness (God) and consciousness (God) was everything.And then I realised how ludicrous it was. What does saying that everything is consciousness/God really mean? Nothing, it seems to me now. His promise seems to be that, if you can see reality the way he does, you can live a life totally free of any suffering whatever.My opinion these days: he's wrong, and reality isn't the way he says it is. We've

evolved to be story-telling, problem-solving creatures, and suffering is part of the human condition. We always have been, we are now, and we always will be. It's in our DNA.There's a lot of wisdom in Tolle's words. In one of his books he says " " The human condition: lost in thought " . That statement rings true even now and lies at the heart of ACT.But...A lot of what he says doesn't ring true for me, and untangling his wisdom from his bullshit too much work.If you want a critical opinion, I suggest reading Tom e's review on his Naturalist website " :http://www.naturalism.org/tolle.htmCheers,Stan--- In ACT_for_the_Public , Vi c Vi

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Im not sure how to take it though, as an act type metaphor book or not,dont want to get confused. He seems to have knowledge of act principle,or it might be he has included buddist principles

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I havent read it all yet, but it seems easy to read,and he explains well how he see thoughts as just thoughts and if you wait for thoughts there not as intrusive. Iike act therapy..it is easy to read.

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I loved reading Eckhart Tolle, also. But I never got any traction in life by reading his works. He offers no workable practical suggestions to how to " get out of your mind " and " into your life " as ACT does. There is little or no emphasis on values.

So ... deep philosophy ... profound words ... yes. Helpful? Not so much.

Helena

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I have fond memories of reading Eckhart Tolle. I loved his book " The Power of Now " so much that I read it back-to-back five times in a row. I even bought CDs and DVDs of his talks and spent countless hours listening to them and wishing I could experience the world the way he did, and live a life totally free of anxiety and suffering.He talked about a branch of Hinduism called Advaita Vedanta. I fell in love with it even more deeply. Its teachings rang so true that I ended up believing that everything was consciousness (God) and consciousness (God) was everything.And then I realised how ludicrous it was. What does saying that everything is consciousness/God really mean? Nothing, it seems to me now. His promise seems to be that, if you can see reality the way he does, you can live a life totally free of any suffering whatever.My opinion these days: he's wrong, and reality isn't the way he says it is. We've

evolved to be story-telling, problem-solving creatures, and suffering is part of the human condition. We always have been, we are now, and we always will be. It's in our DNA.There's a lot of wisdom in Tolle's words. In one of his books he says " " The human condition: lost in thought " . That statement rings true even now and lies at the heart of ACT.But...A lot of what he says doesn't ring true for me, and untangling his wisdom from his bullshit too much work.If you want a critical opinion, I suggest reading Tom e's review on his Naturalist website " :http://www.naturalism.org/tolle.htmCheers,Stan--- In ACT_for_the_Public , Vi c Vi

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I have a hard time with the idea that there is no suffering in the Now. A lot of times I have fond memories of the past and look forward to the future but I'm suffering right now in the present for no reason. So the idea of working so hard to be in the present moment is working hard to be in the moment of suffering, which hurts.I guess that kind of contradicts Tolle's premise, that all suffering is coming from the past or the future and dissatisfaction with the present moment. That's not how it seems to me. I have a lot of non-specific discomfort that hangs around in the present moment.Bruce I have fond memories of reading Eckhart Tolle. I loved his book "The Power of Now"so much that I read it back-to-back five times in a row. I even bought CDs and DVDs of his talks and spent countless hours listening to them and wishing I could experience the world the way he did, and live a life totally free of anxiety and suffering. He talked about a branch of Hinduism called Advaita Vedanta. I fell in love with it even more deeply. Its teachings rang so true that I ended up believing that everything was consciousness (God) and consciousness (God) was everything. And then I realised how ludicrous it was. What does saying that everything is consciousness/God really mean? Nothing, it seems to me now. His promise seems to be that, if you can see reality the way he does, you can live a life totally free of any suffering whatever. My opinion these days: he's wrong, and reality isn't the way he says it is. We've evolved to be story-telling, problem-solving creatures, and suffering is part of the human condition. We always have been, we are now, and we always will be. It's in our DNA. There's a lot of wisdom in Tolle's words. In one of his books he says" "The human condition: lost in thought". That statement rings true even now and lies at the heart of ACT. But... A lot of what he says doesn't ring true for me, and untangling his wisdom from his bullshit too much work. If you want a critical opinion, I suggest reading Tom e's review on his Naturalist website": http://www.naturalism.org/tolle.htm Cheers, Stan > > > Does the book the " power of now."..teach act principles...anybody read this book. > > Sent from Yahoo!7 Mail on Android >

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Trouble with all these methods and me is you want an answer as to what to grasp and live by..

Its like you have to work out and discern what to follow and see if you can work out what works best for you..act therapy seems to make common sense....and eckhart tolle seems to put it in a practical example type method overlaping act methods....and all said he inspires and motivates by being in the now..at the same time ,if your reading both act books and eckart book it gets confusing .

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<<< " I guess that kind of contradicts Tolle's premise, that all suffering is coming from the past or the future and dissatisfaction with the present moment. That's not how it seems to me. I have a lot of non-specific discomfort that hangs around in the present moment. " >>>

This got me thinking about the relationship between time and thoughts. Sure past thinking can be good, its reminiscing and bad when its ruminating...same for future thinking, good when ? (can you help me out there, all I've got is planning/fantasising/imagining but none seem to fit), and bad when catastrophizing. The same must stand for present moment thinking/experiencing right?

I got a lot from Eckhart Tolle (despite his constant repetition) and use that knowledge for present moment work. Sure there are over-laps into the other processes but he does not teach about how to practice ACT. His work enhanced my ability to understand how to put into practice a more conscious engagement with the world.

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