Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Well, it's been a long while, so I thought I'd report in. Looking at what I posted below, I can't beleive what a cranky camper I was. It seems like someone else talking. So the good news is, I'm a year and a half out from surgery now, and I'm not so stressed and cranky and uptight about all this anymore. I've taken up jogging and can run about a mile now without stopping or slowing to a walk. When I started, I couldn't run 500 feet. Post surgery, there was too much pain. The impact of feet hitting the pavement was too much for a long while. Then it was just that I was out of shape and had no cardio tone. (I wasn't a runner _before_ the surgery either, and I was even more weak after not excercising enough during the pregnancy and the post partum year while the limp was developing and I was panicking about trying to figure out what was wrong with me.) Now I just get up and go. I don't run prettily because of the nerve damage in my leg (the left one still drags) but I go, and I'm so happy to be able to move as well as I can, I don't fret about what I can't do anymore. I'm proud of what I can do. The surgical site aches a little all the time, but it's ignorable. Sitting up straight still helps. Being in shape and having tight abs helps. Losing the extra preggo weight helped. Time helped. Getting over my fears helped. The foot is still numb in places. But folks tell me it doesn't drag as badly as it used to, and I'm pretty sure it's not quite as numb as it was. The surgeon told me not to expect to get anything back in the way of leg function--the goal was to stop the decay. It seems to have successfully done that, and I think things are maybe a little better than they were. The thigh muscle doesn't flutter and spasm anymore. I still avoid lifting heavy things, except my toddler, who is around 40 pounds now. Him I can lift. Not carry very far, but I can lift him if I have to, and I'm careful how I do it. The last MRI was back in December, and it looked as though the procedure did what it was supposed to do correctly (which was build a big space around the lipoma so it wouldn't retether.) (We couldn't remove the lipoma because of the wrteched tangle.) So, all in all, if I could send a message back in time to myself when I was wondering whether to go through with the procedure or not, I would send back a " yes, go for it--it'll be ok. " The pain happened, and what lingers afterwards is manageable ache, and what I got out of it is a much lower stress level about catastrophic outcomes from leaving the mess unmanaged. Hope this is helpful if there is anyone out there still trying to figure things out. Thanks to all of you for support while I was going through the rough part. Oh, in case I didn't answer the quetion below before: it was Dr. Dachling Pang in Oakland CA who did the surgery. Highly recommend, if you can cope with the long wait list for elective procedures. Good staff, too. The anonymous resident who closed the surgical site did very neat work, and the scar has healed up very clean. Looked like enstein's monster when I first came out, able to wear a bikini without feeling self concious now--well not about the scar anyhow. Very professional physician's assistant also who manages my follow up care. best wishes all . . . > > > > > > When I first joined, I asked what to expect after surgery and how best to get ready for it, and many of you were kind enough to share your experiences. I thought there might be others in the future with the same questions, so I thought I would summarize what I've learned from all this while I still remember it. > > > > > > 1. Learn how to do a proper log roll from a qualified physical therapist or download the instructions online and practice before you go in. Every shift I had a different nurse looking after me, and they all had different ideas about how it was supposed to work, many of them confusing, painful or useless. The most awkward thing in the first few recovery days is not being able to roll over by yourself to hit the call button to get your nurse to come help you with something. > > > The best trick I heard was the one about tightening your core muscles while you are doing it. That really did help--and my abs weren't in any pain so it was a good set of muscles to use. Staying in any one position for very long gets uncomfortable, so you will wnat to be able to roll around a bit. > > > > > > 1.5 Immediately post surgery, keep your spine and hips aligned at all times, no matter what. Even a slight torque is shudderingly awful. This will get better in a few days. Having good core muscles before you go in helps with this. Read up on ergonomic websites about how to sit up properly on your sitzbones,and avoid slumping, slouching or leaning on armrests, because you really will be more comfortable that way. It takes a few weeks to build up your " sitting up straight muscles " if you're a habitual armrester like me, and it's nice to do that beforehand. (I was lucky and happened to be taking classes on this to treat an unrelated elbow/wrist injury--who knew it would turn out to be useful for this, too?) > > > > > > 2. Having friends/family visit in the hospital is actually useful. I thought I would not want much company (not the chatty type when in pain/drugged), but I found that with people who understood that they were there to watch over me and not necessarily to socialize, the nursing care I got was greatly improved. If you're the " just leave me alone until I need something " type, tell them to bring a book. (Wishing all of you understanding loved ones like mine.) > > > > > > 3. Avoid annoying the nurses, and don't waste time arguing with them. They have an awful lot of power over what happens to you, and how long it takes to happen. That being said, if anyone tries something outright obnoxious, like trying to convert you to their religion, or persuade you that you are mentally ill when you're pretty sure you're not, feel free to make a note of it and report it to their management after you are safely home. (I'm so not kidding about this--one nurse did try to engage me in " theological debate " at a truly inappropriate time, and I also overheard them trying to persuade the patient in the next bed that she was demented and didn't know what day it was. She had pissed them off about something else and they were retaliating by forcing her to use a bedpan when she felt ready to get up and use the commode.) My response to the " missionary " was to simply tell her I didn't want to continue the conversation and to pretend to go to sleep. She accepted that and didn't seem too offended. > > > Her management was gobsmacked when I reported it though, and I hope they will provide her with appropriate training on the subject. > > > > > > 4. Bedpans are hideous after spinal surgery--the " lift up your bottom " position to get into them is agonizing. If you can get upright enough to use the commode, things are much better. Honestly, I would rather have wet the bed than use one of those things. > > > > > > 5. Prune juice is your friend, but go easy on the stuff 'cause it is powerful. > > > > > > 6. They gave me a 5 pound weight limit on what I could lift and I found that for the first few weeks, that included the clothes I was wearing. I had to trade in my old terry bathrobe for a microfleece one, because the terry felt like trying to walk in plate mail. > > > I also wanted to wear clothes with no waistband for a long while, and found myself wishing for my grandmother's housecoats. My mom helped out by finding a few nice long nightshirts in reasonably modern styles. Having someone to shop for me was great, because I didn't feel up to going shopping for a long while. I hate shopping in the first place, so maybe that's just me. For those of you who find malls during the winter holidays cheery places, maybe this wouldn't be such an issue.I wanted to hibernate and shuffle around in my bathrobe and slippers for a week or two, which is when I needed the new clothes the most. > > > > > > 7. As soon as you can walk (if you are able to walk) do as much of it as you can. It's good for you, and it helps convince people that you are well enough to discharge. Recovering is much nicer at home if you don't really need ongoing medical care. > > > > > > 8. Sitting in a car is hideous awful. They are not designed to let you sit upright the way you want to after surgery, and the layback position is not a good one post surgery. If your car ride home is more than 20 minutes, take lots of pain meds before you begin, and stop every 20 minutes or so to stand up and straighten out. Warn your driver in advance that these are the rules, and plan some pit stops. > > > > > > 9. Watch carefully for signs of urinary tract infections--you may not be able to feel them right aftr surgery, but they are very common. Your pee should not smell funny. > > > > > > 10. Do lots of slow deep, deep breathing while you are lying on your back the first few days--the lungs don't inflate well in that position and that leaves you prone to infections. Hey, you haven't much else to do while you're lying there, so it's something to do anyway. > > > > > > 11. Having stitches pulled out feels a bit like having your eyebrows plucked. You can feel it but it's no big deal. (I didn't know that, and I was worried about it). > > > > > > 12. I get tired a lot. I can go about fairly normal for a while,and then I " hit the wall " and am suddenly compeltely exhausted and need a nap. (Even without taking any pain medications, but especially with.) I'm told this is perfectly normal. Having childcare during my naptime is still 100% essential. Even if the baby doesn't nap, I still need to. > > > > > > I think that's about it for tonight. Hope this was helpful, and wishing all of you the best of health and healing. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Great to hear your news! Surgery was a really difficult decision for me too and in hindsight I wish I'd done it when first diagnosed 7 years earlier -- maybe then I would have avoided some of the nerve damage I have in my one leg. I too am doing so much better after my detether and then spinal fusion 2 years later. It's been a long haul and was worse before I got better for a long time after both surgeries. Am now 1 year post-op for the latter and am able to walk further and no more aching legs! Doubt I'll ever run again (or wear a bikini!) in my lifetime but to be able to walk at least 20 minutes is such a gift and I am swimming and doing pilates. Hoping for more gains over the next year as I continue to heal. My only question is running really an ok thing to be doing? I've always wondered about that -- I used to run a lot when I was younger and I always wondered if that contributed to my early wear and tear to my tether and spondylolisthesis. Thanks for sharing your great story! Dee To: tetheredspinalcord From: mscurio@... Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:55:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery Well, it's been a long while, so I thought I'd report in. Looking at what I posted below, I can't beleive what a cranky camper I was. It seems like someone else talking. So the good news is, I'm a year and a half out from surgery now, and I'm not so stressed and cranky and uptight about all this anymore. I've taken up jogging and can run about a mile now without stopping or slowing to a walk. When I started, I couldn't run 500 feet. Post surgery, there was too much pain. The impact of feet hitting the pavement was too much for a long while. Then it was just that I was out of shape and had no cardio tone. (I wasn't a runner _before_ the surgery either, and I was even more weak after not excercising enough during the pregnancy and the post partum year while the limp was developing and I was panicking about trying to figure out what was wrong with me.) Now I just get up and go. I don't run prettily because of the nerve damage in my leg (the left one still drags) but I go, and I'm so happy to be able to move as well as I can, I don't fret about what I can't do anymore. I'm proud of what I can do. The surgical site aches a little all the time, but it's ignorable. Sitting up straight still helps. Being in shape and having tight abs helps. Losing the extra preggo weight helped. Time helped. Getting over my fears helped. The foot is still numb in places. But folks tell me it doesn't drag as badly as it used to, and I'm pretty sure it's not quite as numb as it was. The surgeon told me not to expect to get anything back in the way of leg function--the goal was to stop the decay. It seems to have successfully done that, and I think things are maybe a little better than they were. The thigh muscle doesn't flutter and spasm anymore. I still avoid lifting heavy things, except my toddler, who is around 40 pounds now. Him I can lift. Not carry very far, but I can lift him if I have to, and I'm careful how I do it. The last MRI was back in December, and it looked as though the procedure did what it was supposed to do correctly (which was build a big space around the lipoma so it wouldn't retether.) (We couldn't remove the lipoma because of the wrteched tangle.) So, all in all, if I could send a message back in time to myself when I was wondering whether to go through with the procedure or not, I would send back a " yes, go for it--it'll be ok. " The pain happened, and what lingers afterwards is manageable ache, and what I got out of it is a much lower stress level about catastrophic outcomes from leaving the mess unmanaged. Hope this is helpful if there is anyone out there still trying to figure things out. Thanks to all of you for support while I was going through the rough part. Oh, in case I didn't answer the quetion below before: it was Dr. Dachling Pang in Oakland CA who did the surgery. Highly recommend, if you can cope with the long wait list for elective procedures. Good staff, too. The anonymous resident who closed the surgical site did very neat work, and the scar has healed up very clean. Looked like enstein's monster when I first came out, able to wear a bikini without feeling self concious now--well not about the scar anyhow. Very professional physician's assistant also who manages my follow up care. best wishes all . . . > > > > > > When I first joined, I asked what to expect after surgery and how best to get ready for it, and many of you were kind enough to share your experiences. I thought there might be others in the future with the same questions, so I thought I would summarize what I've learned from all this while I still remember it. > > > > > > 1. Learn how to do a proper log roll from a qualified physical therapist or download the instructions online and practice before you go in. Every shift I had a different nurse looking after me, and they all had different ideas about how it was supposed to work, many of them confusing, painful or useless. The most awkward thing in the first few recovery days is not being able to roll over by yourself to hit the call button to get your nurse to come help you with something. > > > The best trick I heard was the one about tightening your core muscles while you are doing it. That really did help--and my abs weren't in any pain so it was a good set of muscles to use. Staying in any one position for very long gets uncomfortable, so you will wnat to be able to roll around a bit. > > > > > > 1.5 Immediately post surgery, keep your spine and hips aligned at all times, no matter what. Even a slight torque is shudderingly awful. This will get better in a few days. Having good core muscles before you go in helps with this. Read up on ergonomic websites about how to sit up properly on your sitzbones,and avoid slumping, slouching or leaning on armrests, because you really will be more comfortable that way. It takes a few weeks to build up your " sitting up straight muscles " if you're a habitual armrester like me, and it's nice to do that beforehand. (I was lucky and happened to be taking classes on this to treat an unrelated elbow/wrist injury--who knew it would turn out to be useful for this, too?) > > > > > > 2. Having friends/family visit in the hospital is actually useful. I thought I would not want much company (not the chatty type when in pain/drugged), but I found that with people who understood that they were there to watch over me and not necessarily to socialize, the nursing care I got was greatly improved. If you're the " just leave me alone until I need something " type, tell them to bring a book. (Wishing all of you understanding loved ones like mine.) > > > > > > 3. Avoid annoying the nurses, and don't waste time arguing with them. They have an awful lot of power over what happens to you, and how long it takes to happen. That being said, if anyone tries something outright obnoxious, like trying to convert you to their religion, or persuade you that you are mentally ill when you're pretty sure you're not, feel free to make a note of it and report it to their management after you are safely home. (I'm so not kidding about this--one nurse did try to engage me in " theological debate " at a truly inappropriate time, and I also overheard them trying to persuade the patient in the next bed that she was demented and didn't know what day it was. She had pissed them off about something else and they were retaliating by forcing her to use a bedpan when she felt ready to get up and use the commode.) My response to the " missionary " was to simply tell her I didn't want to continue the conversation and to pretend to go to sleep. She accepted that and didn't seem too offended. > > > Her management was gobsmacked when I reported it though, and I hope they will provide her with appropriate training on the subject. > > > > > > 4. Bedpans are hideous after spinal surgery--the " lift up your bottom " position to get into them is agonizing. If you can get upright enough to use the commode, things are much better. Honestly, I would rather have wet the bed than use one of those things. > > > > > > 5. Prune juice is your friend, but go easy on the stuff 'cause it is powerful. > > > > > > 6. They gave me a 5 pound weight limit on what I could lift and I found that for the first few weeks, that included the clothes I was wearing. I had to trade in my old terry bathrobe for a microfleece one, because the terry felt like trying to walk in plate mail. > > > I also wanted to wear clothes with no waistband for a long while, and found myself wishing for my grandmother's housecoats. My mom helped out by finding a few nice long nightshirts in reasonably modern styles. Having someone to shop for me was great, because I didn't feel up to going shopping for a long while. I hate shopping in the first place, so maybe that's just me. For those of you who find malls during the winter holidays cheery places, maybe this wouldn't be such an issue.I wanted to hibernate and shuffle around in my bathrobe and slippers for a week or two, which is when I needed the new clothes the most. > > > > > > 7. As soon as you can walk (if you are able to walk) do as much of it as you can. It's good for you, and it helps convince people that you are well enough to discharge. Recovering is much nicer at home if you don't really need ongoing medical care. > > > > > > 8. Sitting in a car is hideous awful. They are not designed to let you sit upright the way you want to after surgery, and the layback position is not a good one post surgery. If your car ride home is more than 20 minutes, take lots of pain meds before you begin, and stop every 20 minutes or so to stand up and straighten out. Warn your driver in advance that these are the rules, and plan some pit stops. > > > > > > 9. Watch carefully for signs of urinary tract infections--you may not be able to feel them right aftr surgery, but they are very common. Your pee should not smell funny. > > > > > > 10. Do lots of slow deep, deep breathing while you are lying on your back the first few days--the lungs don't inflate well in that position and that leaves you prone to infections. Hey, you haven't much else to do while you're lying there, so it's something to do anyway. > > > > > > 11. Having stitches pulled out feels a bit like having your eyebrows plucked. You can feel it but it's no big deal. (I didn't know that, and I was worried about it). > > > > > > 12. I get tired a lot. I can go about fairly normal for a while,and then I " hit the wall " and am suddenly compeltely exhausted and need a nap. (Even without taking any pain medications, but especially with.) I'm told this is perfectly normal. Having childcare during my naptime is still 100% essential. Even if the baby doesn't nap, I still need to. > > > > > > I think that's about it for tonight. Hope this was helpful, and wishing all of you the best of health and healing. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Dee- Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. Not sure if your case is the same or different. Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery To: tetheredspinalcord Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 9:22 AM Great to hear your news! Surgery was a really difficult decision for me too and in hindsight I wish I'd done it when first diagnosed 7 years earlier -- maybe then I would have avoided some of the nerve damage I have in my one leg. I too am doing so much better after my detether and then spinal fusion 2 years later. It's been a long haul and was worse before I got better for a long time after both surgeries. Am now 1 year post-op for the latter and am able to walk further and no more aching legs! Doubt I'll ever run again (or wear a bikini!) in my lifetime but to be able to walk at least 20 minutes is such a gift and I am swimming and doing pilates. Hoping for more gains over the next year as I continue to heal. My only question is running really an ok thing to be doing? I've always wondered about that -- I used to run a lot when I was younger and I always wondered if that contributed to my early wear and tear to my tether and spondylolisthesis. Thanks for sharing your great story! Dee To: tetheredspinalcord From: mscurio@... Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:55:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery             Well, it's been a long while, so I thought I'd report in. Looking at what I posted below, I can't beleive what a cranky camper I was. It seems like someone else talking. So the good news is, I'm a year and a half out from surgery now, and I'm not so stressed and cranky and uptight about all this anymore. I've taken up jogging and can run about a mile now without stopping or slowing to a walk. When I started, I couldn't run 500 feet. Post surgery, there was too much pain. The impact of feet hitting the pavement was too much for a long while. Then it was just that I was out of shape and had no cardio tone. (I wasn't a runner _before_ the surgery either, and I was even more weak after not excercising enough during the pregnancy and the post partum year while the limp was developing and I was panicking about trying to figure out what was wrong with me.) Now I just get up and go. I don't run prettily because of the nerve damage in my leg (the left one still drags) but I go, and I'm so happy to be able to move as well as I can, I don't fret about what I can't do anymore. I'm proud of what I can do. The surgical site aches a little all the time, but it's ignorable. Sitting up straight still helps. Being in shape and having tight abs helps. Losing the extra preggo weight helped. Time helped. Getting over my fears helped. The foot is still numb in places. But folks tell me it doesn't drag as badly as it used to, and I'm pretty sure it's not quite as numb as it was. The surgeon told me not to expect to get anything back in the way of leg function--the goal was to stop the decay. It seems to have successfully done that, and I think things are maybe a little better than they were. The thigh muscle doesn't flutter and spasm anymore. I still avoid lifting heavy things, except my toddler, who is around 40 pounds now. Him I can lift. Not carry very far, but I can lift him if I have to, and I'm careful how I do it. The last MRI was back in December, and it looked as though the procedure did what it was supposed to do correctly (which was build a big space around the lipoma so it wouldn't retether.) (We couldn't remove the lipoma because of the wrteched tangle.) So, all in all, if I could send a message back in time to myself when I was wondering whether to go through with the procedure or not, I would send back a " yes, go for it--it'll be ok. " The pain happened, and what lingers afterwards is manageable ache, and what I got out of it is a much lower stress level about catastrophic outcomes from leaving the mess unmanaged. Hope this is helpful if there is anyone out there still trying to figure things out. Thanks to all of you for support while I was going through the rough part. Oh, in case I didn't answer the quetion below before: it was Dr. Dachling Pang in Oakland CA who did the surgery. Highly recommend, if you can cope with the long wait list for elective procedures. Good staff, too. The anonymous resident who closed the surgical site did very neat work, and the scar has healed up very clean. Looked like enstein's monster when I first came out, able to wear a bikini without feeling self concious now--well not about the scar anyhow. Very professional physician's assistant also who manages my follow up care. best wishes all . . . > > > > > > When I first joined, I asked what to expect after surgery and how best to get ready for it, and many of you were kind enough to share your experiences. I thought there might be others in the future with the same questions, so I thought I would summarize what I've learned from all this while I still remember it. > > > > > > 1. Learn how to do a proper log roll from a qualified physical therapist or download the instructions online and practice before you go in. Every shift I had a different nurse looking after me, and they all had different ideas about how it was supposed to work, many of them confusing, painful or useless. The most awkward thing in the first few recovery days is not being able to roll over by yourself to hit the call button to get your nurse to come help you with something. > > > The best trick I heard was the one about tightening your core muscles while you are doing it. That really did help--and my abs weren't in any pain so it was a good set of muscles to use. Staying in any one position for very long gets uncomfortable, so you will wnat to be able to roll around a bit. > > > > > > 1.5 Immediately post surgery, keep your spine and hips aligned at all times, no matter what. Even a slight torque is shudderingly awful. This will get better in a few days. Having good core muscles before you go in helps with this. Read up on ergonomic websites about how to sit up properly on your sitzbones,and avoid slumping, slouching or leaning on armrests, because you really will be more comfortable that way. It takes a few weeks to build up your " sitting up straight muscles " if you're a habitual armrester like me, and it's nice to do that beforehand. (I was lucky and happened to be taking classes on this to treat an unrelated elbow/wrist injury--who knew it would turn out to be useful for this, too?) > > > > > > 2. Having friends/family visit in the hospital is actually useful. I thought I would not want much company (not the chatty type when in pain/drugged), but I found that with people who understood that they were there to watch over me and not necessarily to socialize, the nursing care I got was greatly improved. If you're the " just leave me alone until I need something " type, tell them to bring a book. (Wishing all of you understanding loved ones like mine.) > > > > > > 3. Avoid annoying the nurses, and don't waste time arguing with them. They have an awful lot of power over what happens to you, and how long it takes to happen. That being said, if anyone tries something outright obnoxious, like trying to convert you to their religion, or persuade you that you are mentally ill when you're pretty sure you're not, feel free to make a note of it and report it to their management after you are safely home. (I'm so not kidding about this--one nurse did try to engage me in " theological debate " at a truly inappropriate time, and I also overheard them trying to persuade the patient in the next bed that she was demented and didn't know what day it was. She had pissed them off about something else and they were retaliating by forcing her to use a bedpan when she felt ready to get up and use the commode.) My response to the " missionary " was to simply tell her I didn't want to continue the conversation and to pretend to go to sleep. She accepted that and didn't seem too offended. > > > Her management was gobsmacked when I reported it though, and I hope they will provide her with appropriate training on the subject. > > > > > > 4. Bedpans are hideous after spinal surgery--the " lift up your bottom " position to get into them is agonizing. If you can get upright enough to use the commode, things are much better. Honestly, I would rather have wet the bed than use one of those things. > > > > > > 5. Prune juice is your friend, but go easy on the stuff 'cause it is powerful. > > > > > > 6. They gave me a 5 pound weight limit on what I could lift and I found that for the first few weeks, that included the clothes I was wearing. I had to trade in my old terry bathrobe for a microfleece one, because the terry felt like trying to walk in plate mail. > > > I also wanted to wear clothes with no waistband for a long while, and found myself wishing for my grandmother's housecoats. My mom helped out by finding a few nice long nightshirts in reasonably modern styles. Having someone to shop for me was great, because I didn't feel up to going shopping for a long while. I hate shopping in the first place, so maybe that's just me. For those of you who find malls during the winter holidays cheery places, maybe this wouldn't be such an issue.I wanted to hibernate and shuffle around in my bathrobe and slippers for a week or two, which is when I needed the new clothes the most. > > > > > > 7. As soon as you can walk (if you are able to walk) do as much of it as you can. It's good for you, and it helps convince people that you are well enough to discharge. Recovering is much nicer at home if you don't really need ongoing medical care. > > > > > > 8. Sitting in a car is hideous awful. They are not designed to let you sit upright the way you want to after surgery, and the layback position is not a good one post surgery. If your car ride home is more than 20 minutes, take lots of pain meds before you begin, and stop every 20 minutes or so to stand up and straighten out. Warn your driver in advance that these are the rules, and plan some pit stops. > > > > > > 9. Watch carefully for signs of urinary tract infections--you may not be able to feel them right aftr surgery, but they are very common. Your pee should not smell funny. > > > > > > 10. Do lots of slow deep, deep breathing while you are lying on your back the first few days--the lungs don't inflate well in that position and that leaves you prone to infections. Hey, you haven't much else to do while you're lying there, so it's something to do anyway. > > > > > > 11. Having stitches pulled out feels a bit like having your eyebrows plucked. You can feel it but it's no big deal. (I didn't know that, and I was worried about it). > > > > > > 12. I get tired a lot. I can go about fairly normal for a while,and then I " hit the wall " and am suddenly compeltely exhausted and need a nap. (Even without taking any pain medications, but especially with.) I'm told this is perfectly normal. Having childcare during my naptime is still 100% essential. Even if the baby doesn't nap, I still need to. > > > > > > I think that's about it for tonight. Hope this was helpful, and wishing all of you the best of health and healing. > > > > > >                                   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Well, I wondered about that at first too, but my Drs. and PTs didn't put any restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So for a while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little just to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right. If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.) Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather moves out and I feel fine again. Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I have the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a huge difference. I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I would hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a bad moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day. Stuck to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around and enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots, poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards. Anyway, a little Advil or Tylenol is usually enough to get me through the bad stuff--it's seldom so bad I need the heavy meds anymore. > > Dee- > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 I had surgery in March to untether my cord for the second time. I have not been able to tolerate much activity and have frequent migraines. When I had my follow up MRI it was discovered that I now have spinal fluid leakage. The doctor thinks this may be causing my migraines and discomfort. If it does get better in six months I will have to have more surgery. I was really active before all this, however, I was have symptoms of a TC but didn't realize it. I just kept attributing it to other things. Has anyone here had a spinal cord leakage? Just curious how others are doing with this. It sure had been a long neverending road. Thanks, To: tetheredspinalcord From: mscurio@... Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:48:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery Well, I wondered about that at first too, but my Drs. and PTs didn't put any restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So for a while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little just to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right. If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.) Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather moves out and I feel fine again. Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I have the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a huge difference. I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I would hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a bad moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day. Stuck to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around and enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots, poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards. Anyway, a little Advil or Tylenol is usually enough to get me through the bad stuff--it's seldom so bad I need the heavy meds anymore. > > Dee- > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 Hi -- I did have a spinal fluid leak that started a little over a week after surgery -- I was lucky though and it did heal on it's own, took about 1-2 months for the fluid filled lump to go down completely on my back. My severe headaches lasted about 10 days (but I do suffer from chronic headaches which were still a problem post-surgery). I remember my NS saying they normally do a wait and see approach for leaks but if they don't heal on their own then surgery is performed. I think there is at least one member of the group who's had this surgery for a leak. It was a long road for my recovery but in the end am doing much better (eg long road meaning over a year to get to the point where I wasn't worse than I was before surgery). Dee > To: tetheredspinalcord > From: patriciafischer@... > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:12:45 +0000 > Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery > > > I had surgery in March to untether my cord for the second time. I have not been able to tolerate much activity and have frequent migraines. When I had my follow up MRI it was discovered that I now have spinal fluid leakage. The doctor thinks this may be causing my migraines and discomfort. If it does get better in six months I will have to have more surgery. I was really active before all this, however, I was have symptoms of a TC but didn't realize it. I just kept attributing it to other things. Has anyone here had a spinal cord leakage? Just curious how others are doing with this. It sure had been a long neverending road. > > Thanks, > > > To: tetheredspinalcord > From: mscurio@... > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:48:09 +0000 > Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I wondered about that at first too, but my Drs. and PTs didn't put any restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So for a while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little just to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right. > > > > If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.) > > > > Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather moves out and I feel fine again. > > > > Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I have the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a huge difference. > > > > I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I would hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a bad moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day. Stuck to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around and enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots, poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards. > > > > Anyway, a little Advil or Tylenol is usually enough to get me through the bad stuff--it's seldom so bad I need the heavy meds anymore. > > > > > > > > > > Dee- > > > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > > > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 It has been over a year since my first surgery, my second was in March. Things are still really rough. I have no feeling in some parts of my body, migraine headaches, and just feel rough much of the time. This is worse than what I was before surgery but according to my NS my symptoms I was having prior to surgery would have gotten worse over time. I just try to be patient. Nobody realizes how difficult it is to live with this syndrome. To: tetheredspinalcord From: deeinbc@... Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:18:02 -0700 Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery Hi -- I did have a spinal fluid leak that started a little over a week after surgery -- I was lucky though and it did heal on it's own, took about 1-2 months for the fluid filled lump to go down completely on my back. My severe headaches lasted about 10 days (but I do suffer from chronic headaches which were still a problem post-surgery). I remember my NS saying they normally do a wait and see approach for leaks but if they don't heal on their own then surgery is performed. I think there is at least one member of the group who's had this surgery for a leak. It was a long road for my recovery but in the end am doing much better (eg long road meaning over a year to get to the point where I wasn't worse than I was before surgery). Dee > To: tetheredspinalcord > From: patriciafischer@... > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:12:45 +0000 > Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery > > > I had surgery in March to untether my cord for the second time. I have not been able to tolerate much activity and have frequent migraines. When I had my follow up MRI it was discovered that I now have spinal fluid leakage. The doctor thinks this may be causing my migraines and discomfort. If it does get better in six months I will have to have more surgery. I was really active before all this, however, I was have symptoms of a TC but didn't realize it. I just kept attributing it to other things. Has anyone here had a spinal cord leakage? Just curious how others are doing with this. It sure had been a long neverending road. > > Thanks, > > > To: tetheredspinalcord > From: mscurio@... > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:48:09 +0000 > Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I wondered about that at first too, but my Drs. and PTs didn't put any restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So for a while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little just to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right. > > > > If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.) > > > > Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather moves out and I feel fine again. > > > > Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I have the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a huge difference. > > > > I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I would hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a bad moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day. Stuck to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around and enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots, poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards. > > > > Anyway, a little Advil or Tylenol is usually enough to get me through the bad stuff--it's seldom so bad I need the heavy meds anymore. > > > > > > > > > > Dee- > > > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > > > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Thank you for posting. I am happy to learn that people on the forum have had positive results from surgery and are even running and skiing. I am 9 months post op and still wondering when, if ever I will gain my strength and sensation back. I have good days and bad days. It is indeed difficult for my family to understand why some days I play with my boys and some days i only lay on the couch. It is not easy to explain. I appreciate the support. Carol > > > > Dee- > > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 At 9 months post-op I was in terrible shape, but have come out the other end in much better condition! I hope you continue to see improvement. The benchmark for healing is one year, but my healing took way longer than that and I am still seeing gains after going through a second surgery for a spinal fusion a year ago. Dee To: tetheredspinalcord From: cbrimhall@... Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 03:04:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery Thank you for posting. I am happy to learn that people on the forum have had positive results from surgery and are even running and skiing. I am 9 months post op and still wondering when, if ever I will gain my strength and sensation back. I have good days and bad days. It is indeed difficult for my family to understand why some days I play with my boys and some days i only lay on the couch. It is not easy to explain. I appreciate the support. Carol > > > > Dee- > > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 At 18 months I still cannot walk without the walker or stand up without holding on. My leg strength is maybe 75% of what it was and there are baby step improvements. The butt pain is worse than pre-surgery, but I am very lucky in that department compared with others in this forum. I do not take pain meds. I am also old (67), had significant deficits from spina bifida as well as stenosis, and developed an epidural hematoma requiring a 2nd surgery.  Therefore, my results are probably not typical.  To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:02 PM Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery At 9 months post-op I was in terrible shape, but have come out the other end in much better condition! I hope you continue to see improvement. The benchmark for healing is one year, but my healing took way longer than that and I am still seeing gains after going through a second surgery for a spinal fusion a year ago. Dee To: tetheredspinalcord From: cbrimhall@... Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 03:04:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery             Thank you for posting. I am happy to learn that people on the forum have had positive results from surgery and are even running and skiing. I am 9 months post op and still wondering when, if ever I will gain my strength and sensation back. I have good days and bad days. It is indeed difficult for my family to understand why some days I play with my boys and some days i only lay on the couch.  It is not easy to explain. I appreciate the support. Carol > > > > Dee- > > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > > > > >                           Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 , I am so sorry. What do they say it is due to. I remember you writing about your surgery, did they cut your filum or not? Hope things turn around. > > > > > > > > Dee- > > > > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > > > > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â > Â Â > > Â Â > Â Â > > > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 :     Drs. are puzzled (story of my life). The continuing weakness could be nerve damage from the hematoma putting pressure on my cord. They all say continuing exercise will help and I am trying. But it's really frustrating to train like crazy and see nothing (well, almost nothing) in return. Having been a gym bunny for over 10 years, I know how to train. Anyway ... I don't think any of the Drs. had had a patient my age and with my problems. Re. my filum: The surgical report just says, " there was not found to be significant tethering of the distal aspect of the spinal cord and the filum ...intradural exploration and lysis of adhesions was undertaken. "  To: tetheredspinalcord Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to expect after surgery  , I am so sorry. What do they say it is due to. I remember you writing about your surgery, did they cut your filum or not? Hope things turn around. > > > > > > > > Dee- > > > > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me. > > > > Not sure if your case is the same or different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   >   > >   >   > > > > > > >                   > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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