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Well, it's been a long while, so I thought I'd report in.

Looking at what I posted below, I can't beleive what a cranky camper I was. It

seems like someone else talking.

So the good news is, I'm a year and a half out from surgery now, and I'm not so

stressed and cranky and uptight about all this anymore.

I've taken up jogging and can run about a mile now without stopping or slowing

to a walk. When I started, I couldn't run 500 feet.

Post surgery, there was too much pain. The impact of feet hitting the pavement

was too much for a long while. Then it was just that I was out of shape and had

no cardio tone. (I wasn't a runner _before_ the surgery either, and I was even

more weak after not excercising enough during the pregnancy and the post partum

year while the limp was developing and I was panicking about trying to figure

out what was wrong with me.)

Now I just get up and go. I don't run prettily because of the nerve damage in my

leg (the left one still drags) but I go, and I'm so happy to be able to move as

well as I can, I don't fret about what I can't do anymore. I'm proud of what I

can do.

The surgical site aches a little all the time, but it's ignorable. Sitting up

straight still helps. Being in shape and having tight abs helps. Losing the

extra preggo weight helped. Time helped. Getting over my fears helped.

The foot is still numb in places. But folks tell me it doesn't drag as badly as

it used to, and I'm pretty sure it's not quite as numb as it was. The surgeon

told me not to expect to get anything back in the way of leg function--the goal

was to stop the decay. It seems to have successfully done that, and I think

things are maybe a little better than they were. The thigh muscle doesn't

flutter and spasm anymore.

I still avoid lifting heavy things, except my toddler, who is around 40 pounds

now. Him I can lift. Not carry very far, but I can lift him if I have to, and

I'm careful how I do it.

The last MRI was back in December, and it looked as though the procedure did

what it was supposed to do correctly (which was build a big space around the

lipoma so it wouldn't retether.) (We couldn't remove the lipoma because of the

wrteched tangle.)

So, all in all, if I could send a message back in time to myself when I was

wondering whether to go through with the procedure or not, I would send back a

" yes, go for it--it'll be ok. " The pain happened, and what lingers afterwards is

manageable ache, and what I got out of it is a much lower stress level about

catastrophic outcomes from leaving the mess unmanaged.

Hope this is helpful if there is anyone out there still trying to figure things

out.

Thanks to all of you for support while I was going through the rough part.

Oh, in case I didn't answer the quetion below before: it was Dr. Dachling Pang

in Oakland CA who did the surgery. Highly recommend, if you can cope with the

long wait list for elective procedures. Good staff, too. The anonymous resident

who closed the surgical site did very neat work, and the scar has healed up very

clean. Looked like enstein's monster when I first came out, able to wear a

bikini without feeling self concious now--well not about the scar anyhow. Very

professional physician's assistant also who manages my follow up care.

best wishes all . . .

> > >

> > > When I first joined, I asked what to expect after surgery and how best to

get ready for it, and many of you were kind enough to share your experiences. I

thought there might be others in the future with the same questions, so I

thought I would summarize what I've learned from all this while I still remember

it.

> > >

> > > 1. Learn how to do a proper log roll from a qualified physical therapist

or download the instructions online and practice before you go in. Every shift I

had a different nurse looking after me, and they all had different ideas about

how it was supposed to work, many of them confusing, painful or useless. The

most awkward thing in the first few recovery days is not being able to roll over

by yourself to hit the call button to get your nurse to come help you with

something.

> > > The best trick I heard was the one about tightening your core muscles

while you are doing it. That really did help--and my abs weren't in any pain so

it was a good set of muscles to use. Staying in any one position for very long

gets uncomfortable, so you will wnat to be able to roll around a bit.

> > >

> > > 1.5 Immediately post surgery, keep your spine and hips aligned at all

times, no matter what. Even a slight torque is shudderingly awful. This will get

better in a few days. Having good core muscles before you go in helps with this.

Read up on ergonomic websites about how to sit up properly on your sitzbones,and

avoid slumping, slouching or leaning on armrests, because you really will be

more comfortable that way. It takes a few weeks to build up your " sitting up

straight muscles " if you're a habitual armrester like me, and it's nice to do

that beforehand. (I was lucky and happened to be taking classes on this to treat

an unrelated elbow/wrist injury--who knew it would turn out to be useful for

this, too?)

> > >

> > > 2. Having friends/family visit in the hospital is actually useful. I

thought I would not want much company (not the chatty type when in

pain/drugged), but I found that with people who understood that they were there

to watch over me and not necessarily to socialize, the nursing care I got was

greatly improved. If you're the " just leave me alone until I need something "

type, tell them to bring a book. (Wishing all of you understanding loved ones

like mine.)

> > >

> > > 3. Avoid annoying the nurses, and don't waste time arguing with them. They

have an awful lot of power over what happens to you, and how long it takes to

happen. That being said, if anyone tries something outright obnoxious, like

trying to convert you to their religion, or persuade you that you are mentally

ill when you're pretty sure you're not, feel free to make a note of it and

report it to their management after you are safely home. (I'm so not kidding

about this--one nurse did try to engage me in " theological debate " at a truly

inappropriate time, and I also overheard them trying to persuade the patient in

the next bed that she was demented and didn't know what day it was. She had

pissed them off about something else and they were retaliating by forcing her to

use a bedpan when she felt ready to get up and use the commode.) My response to

the " missionary " was to simply tell her I didn't want to continue the

conversation and to pretend to go to sleep. She accepted that and didn't seem

too offended.

> > > Her management was gobsmacked when I reported it though, and I hope they

will provide her with appropriate training on the subject.

> > >

> > > 4. Bedpans are hideous after spinal surgery--the " lift up your bottom "

position to get into them is agonizing. If you can get upright enough to use the

commode, things are much better. Honestly, I would rather have wet the bed than

use one of those things.

> > >

> > > 5. Prune juice is your friend, but go easy on the stuff 'cause it is

powerful.

> > >

> > > 6. They gave me a 5 pound weight limit on what I could lift and I found

that for the first few weeks, that included the clothes I was wearing. I had to

trade in my old terry bathrobe for a microfleece one, because the terry felt

like trying to walk in plate mail.

> > > I also wanted to wear clothes with no waistband for a long while, and

found myself wishing for my grandmother's housecoats. My mom helped out by

finding a few nice long nightshirts in reasonably modern styles. Having someone

to shop for me was great, because I didn't feel up to going shopping for a long

while. I hate shopping in the first place, so maybe that's just me. For those of

you who find malls during the winter holidays cheery places, maybe this wouldn't

be such an issue.I wanted to hibernate and shuffle around in my bathrobe and

slippers for a week or two, which is when I needed the new clothes the most.

> > >

> > > 7. As soon as you can walk (if you are able to walk) do as much of it as

you can. It's good for you, and it helps convince people that you are well

enough to discharge. Recovering is much nicer at home if you don't really need

ongoing medical care.

> > >

> > > 8. Sitting in a car is hideous awful. They are not designed to let you sit

upright the way you want to after surgery, and the layback position is not a

good one post surgery. If your car ride home is more than 20 minutes, take lots

of pain meds before you begin, and stop every 20 minutes or so to stand up and

straighten out. Warn your driver in advance that these are the rules, and plan

some pit stops.

> > >

> > > 9. Watch carefully for signs of urinary tract infections--you may not be

able to feel them right aftr surgery, but they are very common. Your pee should

not smell funny.

> > >

> > > 10. Do lots of slow deep, deep breathing while you are lying on your back

the first few days--the lungs don't inflate well in that position and that

leaves you prone to infections. Hey, you haven't much else to do while you're

lying there, so it's something to do anyway.

> > >

> > > 11. Having stitches pulled out feels a bit like having your eyebrows

plucked. You can feel it but it's no big deal. (I didn't know that, and I was

worried about it).

> > >

> > > 12. I get tired a lot. I can go about fairly normal for a while,and then I

" hit the wall " and am suddenly compeltely exhausted and need a nap. (Even

without taking any pain medications, but especially with.) I'm told this is

perfectly normal. Having childcare during my naptime is still 100% essential.

Even if the baby doesn't nap, I still need to.

> > >

> > > I think that's about it for tonight. Hope this was helpful, and wishing

all of you the best of health and healing.

> > >

> >

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Great to hear your news! Surgery was a really difficult decision for me too and

in hindsight I wish I'd done it when first diagnosed 7 years earlier -- maybe

then I would have avoided some of the nerve damage I have in my one leg. I too

am doing so much better after my detether and then spinal fusion 2 years later.

It's been a long haul and was worse before I got better for a long time after

both surgeries. Am now 1 year post-op for the latter and am able to walk

further and no more aching legs! Doubt I'll ever run again (or wear a bikini!)

in my lifetime but to be able to walk at least 20 minutes is such a gift and I

am swimming and doing pilates. Hoping for more gains over the next year as I

continue to heal. My only question is running really an ok thing to be doing?

I've always wondered about that -- I used to run a lot when I was younger and I

always wondered if that contributed to my early wear and tear to my tether and

spondylolisthesis. Thanks for sharing your great story! Dee

To: tetheredspinalcord

From: mscurio@...

Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:55:06 +0000

Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

Well, it's been a long while, so I thought I'd report in.

Looking at what I posted below, I can't beleive what a cranky camper I was. It

seems like someone else talking.

So the good news is, I'm a year and a half out from surgery now, and I'm not so

stressed and cranky and uptight about all this anymore.

I've taken up jogging and can run about a mile now without stopping or slowing

to a walk. When I started, I couldn't run 500 feet.

Post surgery, there was too much pain. The impact of feet hitting the pavement

was too much for a long while. Then it was just that I was out of shape and had

no cardio tone. (I wasn't a runner _before_ the surgery either, and I was even

more weak after not excercising enough during the pregnancy and the post partum

year while the limp was developing and I was panicking about trying to figure

out what was wrong with me.)

Now I just get up and go. I don't run prettily because of the nerve damage in my

leg (the left one still drags) but I go, and I'm so happy to be able to move as

well as I can, I don't fret about what I can't do anymore. I'm proud of what I

can do.

The surgical site aches a little all the time, but it's ignorable. Sitting up

straight still helps. Being in shape and having tight abs helps. Losing the

extra preggo weight helped. Time helped. Getting over my fears helped.

The foot is still numb in places. But folks tell me it doesn't drag as badly as

it used to, and I'm pretty sure it's not quite as numb as it was. The surgeon

told me not to expect to get anything back in the way of leg function--the goal

was to stop the decay. It seems to have successfully done that, and I think

things are maybe a little better than they were. The thigh muscle doesn't

flutter and spasm anymore.

I still avoid lifting heavy things, except my toddler, who is around 40 pounds

now. Him I can lift. Not carry very far, but I can lift him if I have to, and

I'm careful how I do it.

The last MRI was back in December, and it looked as though the procedure did

what it was supposed to do correctly (which was build a big space around the

lipoma so it wouldn't retether.) (We couldn't remove the lipoma because of the

wrteched tangle.)

So, all in all, if I could send a message back in time to myself when I was

wondering whether to go through with the procedure or not, I would send back a

" yes, go for it--it'll be ok. " The pain happened, and what lingers afterwards is

manageable ache, and what I got out of it is a much lower stress level about

catastrophic outcomes from leaving the mess unmanaged.

Hope this is helpful if there is anyone out there still trying to figure things

out.

Thanks to all of you for support while I was going through the rough part.

Oh, in case I didn't answer the quetion below before: it was Dr. Dachling Pang

in Oakland CA who did the surgery. Highly recommend, if you can cope with the

long wait list for elective procedures. Good staff, too. The anonymous resident

who closed the surgical site did very neat work, and the scar has healed up very

clean. Looked like enstein's monster when I first came out, able to wear a

bikini without feeling self concious now--well not about the scar anyhow. Very

professional physician's assistant also who manages my follow up care.

best wishes all . . .

> > >

> > > When I first joined, I asked what to expect after surgery and how best to

get ready for it, and many of you were kind enough to share your experiences. I

thought there might be others in the future with the same questions, so I

thought I would summarize what I've learned from all this while I still remember

it.

> > >

> > > 1. Learn how to do a proper log roll from a qualified physical therapist

or download the instructions online and practice before you go in. Every shift I

had a different nurse looking after me, and they all had different ideas about

how it was supposed to work, many of them confusing, painful or useless. The

most awkward thing in the first few recovery days is not being able to roll over

by yourself to hit the call button to get your nurse to come help you with

something.

> > > The best trick I heard was the one about tightening your core muscles

while you are doing it. That really did help--and my abs weren't in any pain so

it was a good set of muscles to use. Staying in any one position for very long

gets uncomfortable, so you will wnat to be able to roll around a bit.

> > >

> > > 1.5 Immediately post surgery, keep your spine and hips aligned at all

times, no matter what. Even a slight torque is shudderingly awful. This will get

better in a few days. Having good core muscles before you go in helps with this.

Read up on ergonomic websites about how to sit up properly on your sitzbones,and

avoid slumping, slouching or leaning on armrests, because you really will be

more comfortable that way. It takes a few weeks to build up your " sitting up

straight muscles " if you're a habitual armrester like me, and it's nice to do

that beforehand. (I was lucky and happened to be taking classes on this to treat

an unrelated elbow/wrist injury--who knew it would turn out to be useful for

this, too?)

> > >

> > > 2. Having friends/family visit in the hospital is actually useful. I

thought I would not want much company (not the chatty type when in

pain/drugged), but I found that with people who understood that they were there

to watch over me and not necessarily to socialize, the nursing care I got was

greatly improved. If you're the " just leave me alone until I need something "

type, tell them to bring a book. (Wishing all of you understanding loved ones

like mine.)

> > >

> > > 3. Avoid annoying the nurses, and don't waste time arguing with them. They

have an awful lot of power over what happens to you, and how long it takes to

happen. That being said, if anyone tries something outright obnoxious, like

trying to convert you to their religion, or persuade you that you are mentally

ill when you're pretty sure you're not, feel free to make a note of it and

report it to their management after you are safely home. (I'm so not kidding

about this--one nurse did try to engage me in " theological debate " at a truly

inappropriate time, and I also overheard them trying to persuade the patient in

the next bed that she was demented and didn't know what day it was. She had

pissed them off about something else and they were retaliating by forcing her to

use a bedpan when she felt ready to get up and use the commode.) My response to

the " missionary " was to simply tell her I didn't want to continue the

conversation and to pretend to go to sleep. She accepted that and didn't seem

too offended.

> > > Her management was gobsmacked when I reported it though, and I hope they

will provide her with appropriate training on the subject.

> > >

> > > 4. Bedpans are hideous after spinal surgery--the " lift up your bottom "

position to get into them is agonizing. If you can get upright enough to use the

commode, things are much better. Honestly, I would rather have wet the bed than

use one of those things.

> > >

> > > 5. Prune juice is your friend, but go easy on the stuff 'cause it is

powerful.

> > >

> > > 6. They gave me a 5 pound weight limit on what I could lift and I found

that for the first few weeks, that included the clothes I was wearing. I had to

trade in my old terry bathrobe for a microfleece one, because the terry felt

like trying to walk in plate mail.

> > > I also wanted to wear clothes with no waistband for a long while, and

found myself wishing for my grandmother's housecoats. My mom helped out by

finding a few nice long nightshirts in reasonably modern styles. Having someone

to shop for me was great, because I didn't feel up to going shopping for a long

while. I hate shopping in the first place, so maybe that's just me. For those of

you who find malls during the winter holidays cheery places, maybe this wouldn't

be such an issue.I wanted to hibernate and shuffle around in my bathrobe and

slippers for a week or two, which is when I needed the new clothes the most.

> > >

> > > 7. As soon as you can walk (if you are able to walk) do as much of it as

you can. It's good for you, and it helps convince people that you are well

enough to discharge. Recovering is much nicer at home if you don't really need

ongoing medical care.

> > >

> > > 8. Sitting in a car is hideous awful. They are not designed to let you sit

upright the way you want to after surgery, and the layback position is not a

good one post surgery. If your car ride home is more than 20 minutes, take lots

of pain meds before you begin, and stop every 20 minutes or so to stand up and

straighten out. Warn your driver in advance that these are the rules, and plan

some pit stops.

> > >

> > > 9. Watch carefully for signs of urinary tract infections--you may not be

able to feel them right aftr surgery, but they are very common. Your pee should

not smell funny.

> > >

> > > 10. Do lots of slow deep, deep breathing while you are lying on your back

the first few days--the lungs don't inflate well in that position and that

leaves you prone to infections. Hey, you haven't much else to do while you're

lying there, so it's something to do anyway.

> > >

> > > 11. Having stitches pulled out feels a bit like having your eyebrows

plucked. You can feel it but it's no big deal. (I didn't know that, and I was

worried about it).

> > >

> > > 12. I get tired a lot. I can go about fairly normal for a while,and then I

" hit the wall " and am suddenly compeltely exhausted and need a nap. (Even

without taking any pain medications, but especially with.) I'm told this is

perfectly normal. Having childcare during my naptime is still 100% essential.

Even if the baby doesn't nap, I still need to.

> > >

> > > I think that's about it for tonight. Hope this was helpful, and wishing

all of you the best of health and healing.

> > >

> >

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Dee-

Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much

everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

Not sure if your case is the same or different. 

Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

To: tetheredspinalcord

Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 9:22 AM

Great to hear your news!  Surgery was a really difficult decision for me too and

in hindsight I wish I'd done it when first diagnosed 7 years earlier -- maybe

then I would have avoided some of the nerve damage I have in my one leg.  I too

am doing so much better after my detether and then spinal fusion 2 years later. 

It's been a long haul and was worse before I got better for a long time after

both surgeries.  Am now 1 year post-op for the latter and am able to walk

further and no more aching legs!  Doubt I'll ever run again (or wear a bikini!)

in my lifetime but to be able to walk at least 20 minutes is such a gift and I

am swimming and doing pilates.  Hoping for more gains over the next year as I

continue to heal. My only question is running really an ok thing to be doing? 

I've always wondered about that -- I used to run a lot when I was younger and I

always wondered if that contributed to my early wear and tear to my tether and

spondylolisthesis. Thanks for sharing your great story! Dee

To: tetheredspinalcord

From: mscurio@...

Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:55:06 +0000

Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

 

   

     

     

      Well, it's been a long while, so I thought I'd report in.

Looking at what I posted below, I can't beleive what a cranky camper I was. It

seems like someone else talking.

So the good news is, I'm a year and a half out from surgery now, and I'm not so

stressed and cranky and uptight about all this anymore.

I've taken up jogging and can run about a mile now without stopping or slowing

to a walk. When I started, I couldn't run 500 feet.

Post surgery, there was too much pain. The impact of feet hitting the pavement

was too much for a long while. Then it was just that I was out of shape and had

no cardio tone. (I wasn't a runner _before_ the surgery either, and I was even

more weak after not excercising enough during the pregnancy and the post partum

year while the limp was developing and I was panicking about trying to figure

out what was wrong with me.)

Now I just get up and go. I don't run prettily because of the nerve damage in my

leg (the left one still drags) but I go, and I'm so happy to be able to move as

well as I can, I don't fret about what I can't do anymore. I'm proud of what I

can do.

The surgical site aches a little all the time, but it's ignorable. Sitting up

straight still helps. Being in shape and having tight abs helps. Losing the

extra preggo weight helped. Time helped. Getting over my fears helped.

The foot is still numb in places. But folks tell me it doesn't drag as badly as

it used to, and I'm pretty sure it's not quite as numb as it was. The surgeon

told me not to expect to get anything back in the way of leg function--the goal

was to stop the decay. It seems to have successfully done that, and I think

things are maybe a little better than they were. The thigh muscle doesn't

flutter and spasm anymore.

I still avoid lifting heavy things, except my toddler, who is around 40 pounds

now. Him I can lift. Not carry very far, but I can lift him if I have to, and

I'm careful how I do it.

The last MRI was back in December, and it looked as though the procedure did

what it was supposed to do correctly (which was build a big space around the

lipoma so it wouldn't retether.) (We couldn't remove the lipoma because of the

wrteched tangle.)

So, all in all, if I could send a message back in time to myself when I was

wondering whether to go through with the procedure or not, I would send back a

" yes, go for it--it'll be ok. " The pain happened, and what lingers afterwards is

manageable ache, and what I got out of it is a much lower stress level about

catastrophic outcomes from leaving the mess unmanaged.

Hope this is helpful if there is anyone out there still trying to figure things

out.

Thanks to all of you for support while I was going through the rough part.

Oh, in case I didn't answer the quetion below before: it was Dr. Dachling Pang

in Oakland CA who did the surgery. Highly recommend, if you can cope with the

long wait list for elective procedures. Good staff, too. The anonymous resident

who closed the surgical site did very neat work, and the scar has healed up very

clean. Looked like enstein's monster when I first came out, able to wear a

bikini without feeling self concious now--well not about the scar anyhow. Very

professional physician's assistant also who manages my follow up care.

best wishes all . . .

> > >

> > > When I first joined, I asked what to expect after surgery and how best to

get ready for it, and many of you were kind enough to share your experiences. I

thought there might be others in the future with the same questions, so I

thought I would summarize what I've learned from all this while I still remember

it.

> > >

> > > 1. Learn how to do a proper log roll from a qualified physical therapist

or download the instructions online and practice before you go in. Every shift I

had a different nurse looking after me, and they all had different ideas about

how it was supposed to work, many of them confusing, painful or useless. The

most awkward thing in the first few recovery days is not being able to roll over

by yourself to hit the call button to get your nurse to come help you with

something.

> > > The best trick I heard was the one about tightening your core muscles

while you are doing it.  That really did help--and my abs weren't in any pain so

it was a good set of muscles to use. Staying in any one position for very long

gets uncomfortable, so you will wnat to be able to roll around a bit.

> > >

> > > 1.5 Immediately post surgery, keep your spine and hips aligned at all

times, no matter what. Even a slight torque is shudderingly awful. This will get

better in a few days. Having good core muscles before you go in helps with this.

Read up on ergonomic websites about how to sit up properly on your sitzbones,and

avoid slumping, slouching or leaning on armrests, because you really will be

more comfortable that way. It takes a few weeks to build up your " sitting up

straight muscles " if you're a habitual armrester like me, and it's nice to do

that beforehand. (I was lucky and happened to be taking classes on this to treat

an unrelated elbow/wrist injury--who knew it would turn out to be useful for

this, too?)

> > >

> > > 2. Having friends/family visit in the hospital is actually useful. I

thought I would not want much company (not the chatty type when in

pain/drugged), but I found that with people who understood that they were there

to watch over me and not necessarily to socialize, the nursing care I got was

greatly improved. If you're the " just leave me alone until I need something "

type, tell them to bring a book. (Wishing all of you understanding loved ones

like mine.)

> > >

> > > 3. Avoid annoying the nurses, and don't waste time arguing with them. They

have an awful lot of power over what happens to you, and how long it takes to

happen. That being said, if anyone tries something outright obnoxious, like

trying to convert you to their religion, or persuade you that you are mentally

ill when you're pretty sure you're not, feel free to make a note of it and

report it to their management after you are safely home. (I'm so not kidding

about this--one nurse did try to engage me in " theological debate " at a truly

inappropriate time, and I also overheard them trying to persuade the patient in

the next bed that she was demented and didn't know what day it was. She had

pissed them off about something else and they were retaliating by forcing her to

use a bedpan when she felt ready to get up and use the commode.) My response to

the " missionary " was to simply tell her I didn't want to continue the

conversation and to pretend to go to

sleep. She accepted that and didn't seem too offended.

> > > Her management was gobsmacked when I reported it though, and I hope they

will provide her with appropriate training on the subject.

> > >

> > > 4. Bedpans are hideous after spinal surgery--the " lift up your bottom "

position to get into them is agonizing. If you can get upright enough to use the

commode, things are much better. Honestly, I would rather have wet the bed than

use one of those things.

> > >

> > > 5. Prune juice is your friend, but go easy on the stuff 'cause it is

powerful.

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> > > 6. They gave me a 5 pound weight limit on what I could lift and I found

that for the first few weeks, that included the clothes I was wearing. I had to

trade in my old terry bathrobe for a microfleece one, because the terry felt

like trying to walk in plate mail.

> > > I also wanted to wear clothes with no waistband for a long while, and

found myself wishing for my grandmother's housecoats. My mom helped out by

finding a few nice long nightshirts in reasonably modern styles. Having someone

to shop for me was great, because I didn't feel up to going shopping for a long

while. I hate shopping in the first place, so maybe that's just me. For those of

you who find malls during the winter holidays cheery places, maybe this wouldn't

be such an issue.I wanted to hibernate and shuffle around in my bathrobe and

slippers for a week or two, which is when I needed the new clothes the most.

> > >

> > > 7. As soon as you can walk (if you are able to walk) do as much of it as

you can. It's good for you, and it helps convince people that you are well

enough to discharge. Recovering is much nicer at home if you don't really need

ongoing medical care.

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> > > 8. Sitting in a car is hideous awful. They are not designed to let you sit

upright the way you want to after surgery, and the layback position is not a

good one post surgery. If your car ride home is more than 20 minutes, take lots

of pain meds before you begin, and stop every 20 minutes or so to stand up and

straighten out. Warn your driver in advance that these are the rules, and plan

some pit stops.

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> > > 9. Watch carefully for signs of urinary tract infections--you may not be

able to feel them right aftr surgery, but they are very common. Your pee should

not smell funny.

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> > > 10. Do lots of slow deep, deep breathing while you are lying on your back

the first few days--the lungs don't inflate well in that position and that

leaves you prone to infections. Hey, you haven't much else to do while you're

lying there, so it's something to do anyway.

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> > > 11. Having stitches pulled out feels a bit like having your eyebrows

plucked. You can feel it but it's no big deal. (I didn't know that, and I was

worried about it).

> > >

> > > 12. I get tired a lot. I can go about fairly normal for a while,and then I

" hit the wall " and am suddenly compeltely exhausted and need a nap. (Even

without taking any pain medications, but especially with.) I'm told this is

perfectly normal. Having childcare during my naptime is still 100% essential.

Even if the baby doesn't nap, I still need to.

> > >

> > > I think that's about it for tonight. Hope this was helpful, and wishing

all of you the best of health and healing.

> > >

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Well, I wondered about that at first too, but my Drs. and PTs didn't put any

restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So for a

while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little just

to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than

pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on

to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run

barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got

to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right.

If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is

great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise

videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with

lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by

being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't

hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing

but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.)

Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big

weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows

up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to

hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather

moves out and I feel fine again.

Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I have

the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a huge

difference.

I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I would

hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a bad

moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day. Stuck

to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around and

enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be

strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks

afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots,

poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to

do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards.

Anyway, a little Advil or Tylenol is usually enough to get me through the bad

stuff--it's seldom so bad I need the heavy meds anymore.

>

> Dee-

> Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much

everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

> Not sure if your case is the same or different. 

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I had surgery in March to untether my cord for the second time. I have not been

able to tolerate much activity and have frequent migraines. When I had my follow

up MRI it was discovered that I now have spinal fluid leakage. The doctor thinks

this may be causing my migraines and discomfort. If it does get better in six

months I will have to have more surgery. I was really active before all this,

however, I was have symptoms of a TC but didn't realize it. I just kept

attributing it to other things. Has anyone here had a spinal cord leakage? Just

curious how others are doing with this. It sure had been a long neverending

road.

Thanks,

To: tetheredspinalcord

From: mscurio@...

Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:48:09 +0000

Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

Well, I wondered about that at first too, but my Drs. and PTs didn't put

any restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So

for a while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little

just to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than

pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on

to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run

barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got

to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right.

If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is

great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise

videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with

lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by

being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't

hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing

but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.)

Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big

weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows

up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to

hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather

moves out and I feel fine again.

Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I have

the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a huge

difference.

I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I would

hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a bad

moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day. Stuck

to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around and

enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be

strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks

afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots,

poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to

do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards.

Anyway, a little Advil or Tylenol is usually enough to get me through the bad

stuff--it's seldom so bad I need the heavy meds anymore.

>

> Dee-

> Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much

everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

> Not sure if your case is the same or different.

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Hi -- I did have a spinal fluid leak that started a little over a week

after surgery -- I was lucky though and it did heal on it's own, took about 1-2

months for the fluid filled lump to go down completely on my back. My severe

headaches lasted about 10 days (but I do suffer from chronic headaches which

were still a problem post-surgery). I remember my NS saying they normally do a

wait and see approach for leaks but if they don't heal on their own then surgery

is performed. I think there is at least one member of the group who's had this

surgery for a leak. It was a long road for my recovery but in the end am doing

much better (eg long road meaning over a year to get to the point where I wasn't

worse than I was before surgery). Dee

> To: tetheredspinalcord

> From: patriciafischer@...

> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:12:45 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What

to expect after surgery

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> I had surgery in March to untether my cord for the second time. I have not

been able to tolerate much activity and have frequent migraines. When I had my

follow up MRI it was discovered that I now have spinal fluid leakage. The doctor

thinks this may be causing my migraines and discomfort. If it does get better in

six months I will have to have more surgery. I was really active before all

this, however, I was have symptoms of a TC but didn't realize it. I just kept

attributing it to other things. Has anyone here had a spinal cord leakage? Just

curious how others are doing with this. It sure had been a long neverending

road.

>

> Thanks,

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> To: tetheredspinalcord

> From: mscurio@...

> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:48:09 +0000

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any restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So

for a while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little

just to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than

pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on

to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run

barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got

to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right.

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> If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is

great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise

videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with

lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by

being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't

hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing

but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.)

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> Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big

weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows

up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to

hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather

moves out and I feel fine again.

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> Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I

have the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a

huge difference.

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> I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I

would hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a

bad moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day.

Stuck to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around

and enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be

strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks

afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots,

poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to

do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards.

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everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

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It has been over a year since my first surgery, my second was in March. Things

are still really rough. I have no feeling in some parts of my body, migraine

headaches, and just feel rough much of the time. This is worse than what I was

before surgery but according to my NS my symptoms I was having prior to surgery

would have gotten worse over time. I just try to be patient. Nobody realizes how

difficult it is to live with this syndrome.

To: tetheredspinalcord

From: deeinbc@...

Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:18:02 -0700

Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

Hi -- I did have a spinal fluid leak that started a little over a week

after surgery -- I was lucky though and it did heal on it's own, took about 1-2

months for the fluid filled lump to go down completely on my back. My severe

headaches lasted about 10 days (but I do suffer from chronic headaches which

were still a problem post-surgery). I remember my NS saying they normally do a

wait and see approach for leaks but if they don't heal on their own then surgery

is performed. I think there is at least one member of the group who's had this

surgery for a leak. It was a long road for my recovery but in the end am doing

much better (eg long road meaning over a year to get to the point where I wasn't

worse than I was before surgery). Dee

> To: tetheredspinalcord

> From: patriciafischer@...

> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:12:45 +0000

> Subject: RE: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What

to expect after surgery

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> I had surgery in March to untether my cord for the second time. I have not

been able to tolerate much activity and have frequent migraines. When I had my

follow up MRI it was discovered that I now have spinal fluid leakage. The doctor

thinks this may be causing my migraines and discomfort. If it does get better in

six months I will have to have more surgery. I was really active before all

this, however, I was have symptoms of a TC but didn't realize it. I just kept

attributing it to other things. Has anyone here had a spinal cord leakage? Just

curious how others are doing with this. It sure had been a long neverending

road.

>

> Thanks,

>

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> To: tetheredspinalcord

> From: mscurio@...

> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:48:09 +0000

> Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

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any restrictions on me other than lifting, apart from " if it hurts, stop. " So

for a while it hurt, and I didn't, and then it stopped hurting so I did a little

just to see if I could, and then a little more. Dirt track is much better than

pavement--I avoid pavement. And I have to have really good running sneakers on

to run on the track. Bad shoes = no running at all. In the backyard I run

barefoot on the grass and that feels good, too--less pounding on the heels--got

to get up on the toes, even though the left toes don't spring right.

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> If I'm having a bad spell, I stop and do some other excercise. Elliptical is

great when I can get one. Pilates-type floor work is nice, too. Excercise

videos. Anything that makes my abs stronger seems to help, especially with

lifting the toddler--he jumped into my arms today and I surprised myself by

being able to catch & hold him fairly effortlessly. It feels great. (No I didn't

hold him for very long--that I know better than to push--the muscles are willing

but the spine still doesn't like 40 lbs extra on it.)

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> Changes in the weather seem to have more impact--every once in a while a big

weather system moves over our area and I feel it about 2 days before it shows

up--feels like I'm back to the week after surgery and I wonder what I've done to

hurt myself, until the weather shows up and I think " Oh! That's why! " Weather

moves out and I feel fine again.

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> Also, I don't carry anything when I run except my keys and cellphone and I

have the smallest version of those I can manage. A little extra weight makes a

huge difference.

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> I went skiing over the winter for 1 brave day--at first I was terrified I

would hurt myself, or that my damaged leg wouldn't be able to hold an edge at a

bad moment, and then I remembered how much I love skiing and had a great day.

Stuck to gentle blue slopes, didn't get fancy with anyhing, just swooshed around

and enjoyed the scenery for a beautiful day. The ankle didn't really need to be

strong because the boots are strong. Then I ached for about two weeks

afterwards, but I think it was mostly from carrying all the stuff (skis, boots,

poles, etc.) I think the skiing motion was fine, but I have to figure out how to

do it without needing to carry anything before or afterwards.

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everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

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Thank you for posting. I am happy to learn that people on the forum have had

positive results from surgery and are even running and skiing. I am 9 months

post op and still wondering when, if ever I will gain my strength and sensation

back. I have good days and bad days. It is indeed difficult for my family to

understand why some days I play with my boys and some days i only lay on the

couch.

It is not easy to explain. I appreciate the support. Carol

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> > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much

everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

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At 9 months post-op I was in terrible shape, but have come out the other end in

much better condition! I hope you continue to see improvement. The benchmark

for healing is one year, but my healing took way longer than that and I am still

seeing gains after going through a second surgery for a spinal fusion a year

ago. Dee

To: tetheredspinalcord

From: cbrimhall@...

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 03:04:43 +0000

Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

Thank you for posting. I am happy to learn that people on the forum have

had positive results from surgery and are even running and skiing. I am 9

months post op and still wondering when, if ever I will gain my strength and

sensation back. I have good days and bad days. It is indeed difficult for my

family to understand why some days I play with my boys and some days i only lay

on the couch.

It is not easy to explain. I appreciate the support. Carol

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> > Dee-

> > Dr. Frim told me not to run on hard surfaces. Otherwise I can do pretty much

everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

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At 18 months I still cannot walk without the walker or stand up without holding

on.  My leg strength is maybe 75% of what it was and there are baby step

improvements.  The butt pain is worse than pre-surgery, but I am very lucky in

that department compared with others in this forum.  I do not take pain meds.  I

am also old (67), had significant deficits from spina bifida as well as

stenosis, and developed an epidural hematoma requiring a 2nd

surgery.  Therefore, my results are probably not typical.

 

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At 9 months post-op I was in terrible shape, but have come out the other end in

much better condition!  I hope you continue to see improvement.  The benchmark

for healing is one year, but my healing took way longer than that and I am still

seeing gains after going through a second surgery for a spinal fusion a year

ago. Dee

To: tetheredspinalcord

From: cbrimhall@...

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 03:04:43 +0000

Subject: Re: Answering my own question now, for those to come: What to

expect after surgery

 

   

     

     

      Thank you for posting.  I am happy to learn that people on the forum have

had positive results from surgery and are even running and skiing.  I am 9

months post op and still wondering when, if ever I will gain my strength and

sensation back.  I have good days and bad days.  It is indeed difficult for my

family to understand why some days I play with my boys and some days i only lay

on the couch.

  It is not easy to explain.  I appreciate the support.  Carol

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everything- but I don't... I used to be a runner also, nothing too crazy, but I

loved to run on the weekends around a community college that has a track, as

well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

did develop secondary issues before the surgery that have stayed with me.

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as well as in the forest preserves. Right now if I go there I do brisk walking.I

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    Drs. are puzzled (story of my life).  The continuing weakness could be

nerve damage from the hematoma putting pressure on my cord.  They all say

continuing exercise will help and I am trying.  But it's really frustrating to

train like crazy and see nothing (well, almost nothing) in return.  Having been

a gym bunny for over 10 years, I know how to train.  Anyway ...  I don't think

any of the Drs. had had a patient my age and with my problems.  Re. my filum: 

The surgical report just says, " there was not found to be significant tethering

of the distal aspect of the spinal cord and the filum ...intradural exploration

and lysis of adhesions was undertaken. "

 

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