Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Hello Noccyy...I don't suffer from OCD, but I know about earthquakes of the mind, taking another form in me...And what works best for me at those times is to also work on other parts of the hexaflex than defusion, and especially acceptance/expansion.When I can create space for the anxiety, can let it rush through me in its waves, coming and going, maybe my body feels shaky, sure. And... I find that much easier to be with than the "earthquakes of the mind"...And when I can find peace with the sensations of anxiety in my body, the thinking changes in quality, too...Bon courage,Maarten >> hi , Act therapy with ocd is what? Is there really defusion from obsessions ? I guess there is altough in the moment of a attack of repetative thoughts, its almost you have to be a zen master, to get on top of it and a lot of concentrative work, but i guess thats better then the alternative and thats fusion with obsessive thoughts.But with ocd its a complex web thats not so easily fixed with defusion, because its like an earthquake of the mind, and once its finished theres something thats left behind and its that behindness that needs help from a therapist and then good luck in finding a therapist with experience with act therapy and ocd .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Thanks Maarten,This seems true for me too. There doesn't seem to be much to be done about those storms that erupt from a place older and deeper than the thinking brain, except to let them happen like you said. Thought is fast, but these reactions are SO much faster! I've found that defusion comes in a bit later, after the initial body reaction does its inevitable trick of enlisting the thinking and talking parts of the brain as its spokespeople. If that's allowed to continue, the scary, nasty or obsessive thoughts just loop and keep feeding back weird and negative stuff to the pre-verbal parts of the brain. That in turn elicits even more scary, weird nastiness from those survival circuits which keeps the loop going indefinitely. Best,Jim Hello Noccyy...I don't suffer from OCD, but I know about earthquakes of the mind, taking another form in me...And what works best for me at those times is to also work on other parts of the hexaflex than defusion, and especially acceptance/expansion. When I can create space for the anxiety, can let it rush through me in its waves, coming and going, maybe my body feels shaky, sure. And... I find that much easier to be with than the " earthquakes of the mind " ... And when I can find peace with the sensations of anxiety in my body, the thinking changes in quality, too...Bon courage,Maarten >> hi , Act therapy with ocd is what? Is there really defusion from obsessions ? I guess there is altough in the moment of a attack of repetative thoughts, its almost you have to be a zen master, to get on top of it and a lot of concentrative work, but i guess thats better then the alternative and thats fusion with obsessive thoughts.But with ocd its a complex web thats not so easily fixed with defusion, because its like an earthquake of the mind, and once its finished theres something thats left behind and its that behindness that needs help from a therapist and then good luck in finding a therapist with experience with act therapy and ocd . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Interesting, I have found too that defusion comes in later after acceptance embrace. Or seems to anyhow. When i say later, I think i mean it comes in only after a certain pause, a breath, an embrace, a " welcome to my world " posture given life. Time and again, I will skip this welcoming stance. Ignore it, forget I even have a choice about this. As though I'm in some sort of race. Very exhausting. Very unworkable. It's less like expansion initially for me and more like stepping back, slowing down, opening up, palms open. That may just be a personal language thing, because initially when I hear the word expansion, I tend to jump to an image of something blowing up like a balloon, something getting bigger. I go into my mind and try to figure out that acceptance should look like that, bigger, better. I suppose the end result could be described as expanding one's experience. Accepting the importance of acceptance may be the biggest value of all to remember for someone like me, ever in a hurry to leave. peace, J > > > > > > hi , Act therapy with ocd is what? Is there really defusion from > > obsessions ? I guess there is altough in the moment of a attack of > > repetative thoughts, its almost you have to be a zen master, to get on top > > of it and a lot of concentrative work, but i guess thats better then the > > alternative and thats fusion with obsessive thoughts.But with ocd its a > > complex web thats not so easily fixed with defusion, because its like an > > earthquake of the mind, and once its finished theres something thats left > > behind and its that behindness that needs help from a therapist and then > > good luck in finding a therapist with experience with act therapy and ocd . > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I have had difficulty finding therapists who are ACT trained in general and gave that up a while ago and glad I did (there's so few and amongst the few, they vary tremendously in style). The behindness is something painful to be with for sure. Especially the behindness that involved acting on the obsession. Was just fortunate enough to find someone qualified enough, kind and open enough, buys work-books with me, learning with me. A godsend. May you find someone like that too. Don't give up. Plenty of good help out there. In many contexts, venues too. So stay open for that for yourself for starters. peace, J > > hi , Act therapy with ocd is what? Is there really defusion from obsessions ? I guess there is altough in the moment of a attack of repetative thoughts, its almost you have to be a zen master, to get on top of it and a lot of concentrative work, but i guess thats better then the alternative and thats fusion with obsessive thoughts.But with ocd its a complex web thats not so easily fixed with defusion, because its like an earthquake of the mind, and once its finished theres something thats left behind and its that behindness that needs help from a therapist and then good luck in finding a therapist with experience with act therapy and ocd . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I surely do think that this would be a problem an ACT therapist would respond to, though. Seems like it would be a rewarding exploration, and " noccyy " certainly describes it articulately, promising an in-depth and intelligent collaboration. I was caught immediately by the idea of " defusion from obsessions " . I think that is a fascinating idea, although I am not sure it is exactly the way to approach OCD symptoms. Yet it seems so elegantly simple (in concept, not execution!) that it enticed me right away. Certainly it could not hurt to try an exercise along the lines of observing and describing compulsive thoughts for a few weeks, maybe journaling the work. I'd be very interested in learning about anything y may have done along the lines (and in the pronunciation of noccyy)! Thanks for sharing this!D> >>>> hi , Act therapy with ocd is what? Is there really defusion from obsessions ? I guess there is altough in the moment of a attack of repetative thoughts, its almost you have to be a zen master, to get on top of it and a lot of concentrative work, but i guess thats better then the alternative and thats fusion with obsessive thoughts.But with ocd its a complex web thats not so easily fixed with defusion, because its like an earthquake of the mind, and once its finished theres something thats left behind and its that behindness that needs help from a therapist and then good luck in finding a therapist with experience with act therapy and ocd . >>>> -- Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-TRochester, NY, UShttp://darrellking.com DarrellGKing@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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