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[Guest guest]

Hi ! Welcome back! I'm glad the news is good!

>

> Hi all,

> As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have

been

> only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

> good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

> soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

>

> I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please contact

me with any list questions or concerns (@...) This will allow

Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

>

> Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you

sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

>

> Warmly,

>

> R.

> Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members

with a Borderline Loved One

>

[Guest guest]

,

Welcome back and I'm glad your doing well!

Khris

>

> Hi all,

> As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have been

> only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

> good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

> soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

>

> I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please contact

me with any list questions or concerns (@...) This will allow

Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

>

> Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you

sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

>

> Warmly,

>

> R.

> Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members with

a Borderline Loved One

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I wish you every best health; fight and win!

I have to ask your understanding on a current thread. There has been and

continues to be a religious theme to the conversations. I do not share these

opinions and have left them alone for some time, but they seem to repeat and

dominate the discussions.

I am glad that people find comfort in religion, but that is not why I subscribe

to this group.

I guess I shall have to discontinue my subscription because I do not share those

beliefs and it is not fair for those who do not have Christian beliefs for

others to dominate the discussions.

Bless them for their comforts, but we all have to find our own ways.

Is this a Christian only group or are all of us welcome?

lisa@... wrote: Hi all,

As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have been

only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please contact me with any

list questions or concerns (@...) This will allow Randi to go

back to concentrating on her writing.

Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you sent me. I

really appreciate all the support!

Warmly,

R.

Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members with a

Borderline Loved One

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[Guest guest]

Hi and Beverly,

Beverly, I never meant to cause any problems. I started a discussion

with a personal revelation from this past week and went from there.

I will not continue discussing the current thread. Please accept my

apologies, I am sorry.

, I wish you all the best in your fight for your health. Welcome

back. I apologize if I caused any problems for you.

Kindest regards,

Mercy

Hi all,

> As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have

been

> only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

> good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

> soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

>

> I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please contact

me with any list questions or concerns (@...) This will allow

Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

>

> Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you

sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

>

> Warmly,

>

> R.

> Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members

with a Borderline Loved One

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, dear. As with any conversation, occasionally we go out of

bounds -- and when that happens, you can bet I'll be in the thick of

it. So sorry to have caused offense to you -- but please don't

leave. I'm glad you spoke up -- perhaps next time one of us can

just give a gentle reminder before it gets too far out of hand or

something like that. And with being sick, it may take one of

us to speak up when a thread offends. I've found the scroll handy,

too.....But in any event, there's no need to leave -- you're a

valuable member here. I think we should learn to speak up and get

our voice heard -- something a lot of us weren't taught by our BPD

parents. Why don't we just give a gentle reminder if the moderator

doesn't catch it early? We can just course-correct and move on

before taking the step of leaving, hopefully. It happens from time

to time.

Again, sorry to have offended you.

-Kyla

Hi all,

> As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have

been

> only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

> good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

> soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

>

> I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please

contact me with any list questions or concerns (@...) This will

allow Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

>

> Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you

sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

>

> Warmly,

>

> R.

> Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members

with a Borderline Loved One

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

>

>

[Guest guest]

hey guys...i have been checking out the religion thread because i

thought it was so interesting that so many other members were

atheists (like me). to me, the posts seemed uber-polite and since

faith and religion are huge parts of some (probably most) peoples'

lives (and also something that some moms used against their kids), i

can't imagine religion NOT coming up on this board. there are

religious themed topics, but i don't feel like religion really leaks

too much into the " secular " posts which are the most common on the

board.

also, i think the topics are pretty well labeled. there will clearly

be discussion of religion if " religion " or " spirituality " is in the

thread.

the only thing that bothered me about the thread was that people

seemed almost embarrassed to express their views on their religion.

why does the mere discussion of religion offend people so much? it's

something i'll never understand.

anyway, in summation, there were a lot of posts from christian points

of view, but several posts were from members who are atheist or non-

organized and everyone seemed polite and respectful. i personally

don't feel antagonized for my beliefs on this board.

ok, i'm butting out.

bink

Hi all,

> > As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have

> been

> > only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

> > good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and

will

> > soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> > prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

> >

> > I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please

> contact me with any list questions or concerns (@) This will

> allow Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

> >

> > Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement

you

> sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

> >

> > Warmly,

> >

> > R.

> > Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members

> with a Borderline Loved One

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

bink,

Thanks for your input.

>there were a lot of posts from christian points

> of view, but several posts were from members who are atheist or non-

> organized and everyone seemed polite and respectful. i personally

> don't feel antagonized for my beliefs on this board.

I feel the same. Many of us here suffered spiritual abuse along with all the

other types of

abuse at the feet of our nada's and fada's. This is an important part of my

healing too.

should I just ignore it because it sets off issues for others? I sincerely

believe that the

things that 'rub us the wrong way' are the things that we need to look more

closely at.

Point in case. The person that regularly posts the hit and run comments of

being ignored.

This is her issue that she needs to deal with and instead of doing that she

likes to do these

" drive by " posts. We have all gotten tired of her posts and ignore them mostly

so she is

creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Her story is no one listens to me. She

posts in an antagonistic manner and drives people away. I feel horrible for

this person that she does

not see the forest for the trees.

I really do not feel anyone was shoving their views down anyones throat. I feel

everyone

was very respectful and some of the people that communicated back and forth the

best

were Christian and Atheist. some expressed their recovery from spiritual abuse

from a

Christian perspective and others from an Atheist or Agnostic perspective. No

ones view

here is wrong or absolute truth to anyone but themselves and they did not try to

present

themselves as such.

Carla

>

> hey guys...i have been checking out the religion thread because i

> thought it was so interesting that so many other members were

> atheists (like me). to me, the posts seemed uber-polite and since

> faith and religion are huge parts of some (probably most) peoples'

> lives (and also something that some moms used against their kids), i

> can't imagine religion NOT coming up on this board. there are

> religious themed topics, but i don't feel like religion really leaks

> too much into the " secular " posts which are the most common on the

> board.

>

> also, i think the topics are pretty well labeled. there will clearly

> be discussion of religion if " religion " or " spirituality " is in the

> thread.

>

> the only thing that bothered me about the thread was that people

> seemed almost embarrassed to express their views on their religion.

> why does the mere discussion of religion offend people so much? it's

> something i'll never understand.

>

> anyway, in summation, there were a lot of posts from christian points

> of view, but several posts were from members who are atheist or non-

> organized and everyone seemed polite and respectful. i personally

> don't feel antagonized for my beliefs on this board.

>

> ok, i'm butting out.

> bink

> > > Hi :

> > >

> > > I wish you every best health; fight and win!

> > >

> > > I have to ask your understanding on a current thread. There has

> > been and continues to be a religious theme to the conversations. I

> > do not share these opinions and have left them alone for some time,

> > but they seem to repeat and dominate the discussions.

> > >

> > > I am glad that people find comfort in religion, but that is not

> > why I subscribe to this group.

> > >

> > > I guess I shall have to discontinue my subscription because I do

> > not share those beliefs and it is not fair for those who do not

> have

> > Christian beliefs for others to dominate the discussions.

> > >

> > > Bless them for their comforts, but we all have to find our own

> > ways.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Is this a Christian only group or are all of us welcome?

[Guest guest]

I really do not feel anyone was shoving their views down anyones throat. I

feel everyone

was very respectful and some of the people that communicated back and forth the

best

were Christian and Atheist. some expressed their recovery from spiritual abuse

from a

Christian perspective and others from an Atheist or Agnostic perspective. No

ones view

here is wrong or absolute truth to anyone but themselves and they did not try

to present

themselves as such.

And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist? I agree the comments

were considerate of atheiests, and I can see the argument about recovery from

spiritual abuse but it is a slippery slope,and it seemed to me that the

discussion was moving into comparative religions, at best, and there is no

resolution to that.

I could also get into how nada shaped my politics but that would be equally

digressive.

Thanks to those who asked me to stay; I should have raised it with the group

first, and I apologise.

Beverley

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[Guest guest]

Hi Beverley,

Glad to see you're back! Thanks for the chance to discuss/clarify the subject

of religion discussions. You are a valuable contributor here and I look forward

to reading your posts.

AZClown

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I really do not feel anyone was shoving their views down anyones throat. I feel

everyone

was very respectful and some of the people that communicated back and forth the

best

were Christian and Atheist. some expressed their recovery from spiritual abuse

from a

Christian perspective and others from an Atheist or Agnostic perspective. No

ones view

here is wrong or absolute truth to anyone but themselves and they did not try to

present

themselves as such.

And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist? I agree the comments

were considerate of atheiests, and I can see the argument about recovery from

spiritual abuse but it is a slippery slope,and it seemed to me that the

discussion was moving into comparative religions, at best, and there is no

resolution to that.

I could also get into how nada shaped my politics but that would be equally

digressive.

Thanks to those who asked me to stay; I should have raised it with the group

first, and I apologise.

Beverley

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[Guest guest]

>>And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim?

> Buddhist? <<

Then let them share what has worked for them. That's

all anyone was doing...and from what I read every

single post on that, including my own, was very

strongly of the opinion that each person has to find

the truth that works for them. In fact, mine

specifically stated " Christian or not " .

Nobody, from what I read, was telling anyone else what

they should or should not believe, or claiming that

their own beliefs were the only " right " beliefs.

Perhaps we understood the postings differently.

Ninera

--- Beverley son wrote:

>

>

>

> I really do not feel anyone was shoving their views

> down anyones throat. I feel everyone

> was very respectful and some of the people that

> communicated back and forth the best

> were Christian and Atheist. some expressed their

> recovery from spiritual abuse from a

> Christian perspective and others from an Atheist or

> Agnostic perspective. No ones view

> here is wrong or absolute truth to anyone but

> themselves and they did not try to present

> themselves as such.

>

> And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim?

> Buddhist? I agree the comments were considerate of

> atheiests, and I can see the argument about

> recovery from spiritual abuse but it is a slippery

> slope,and it seemed to me that the discussion was

> moving into comparative religions, at best, and

> there is no resolution to that.

> I could also get into how nada shaped my politics

> but that would be equally digressive.

>

> Thanks to those who asked me to stay; I should have

> raised it with the group first, and I apologise.

>

> Beverley

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We

> also refer to “Understanding the Borderline Mother”

> (Lawson) and “Surviving the Borderline Parent,”

> (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome

> to the WTO community!

>

> From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online

> Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Beverley,

I am also glad you came back. I hope that my posts did not offend you,

and apologize if they did. I clearly labeled them as religion and

spirituality and provided a disclaimer that they were my own beliefs.

I appreciate hearing everyone's point of view on the subject of

religion. It helps me to develop my own thoughts and in some cases

gives me a different perspective. For some people, religion is a small

or large part of their recovery as a KO, so I feel that it is relevant

to this forum. I definitely agree that it can be a difficult topic,

but we all seem to agree that everyone was respectful. While I am

not buddhist, I did mention in my post yesterday that I believe in

some buddhist teachings such as karma and chakras. If anyone wants to

post about other belief systems such as Judaism, etc., I think the

whole group would genuinely appreciate and respect them.

I would like to borrow your example:

I could also get into how nada shaped my politics but that would be

equally digressive.

If you ever would like to write about how your mother shaped your

political views, I think you should be welcome to. Sure, it would be a

little off topic, but I'm sure you would label it as such, as we did

with the religion discussion. I've always viewed this as a support

community in which we should feel comfortable and safe to share our

opinions or beliefs on most anything. I will continue to feel this way

and I hope others share this opinion.

>

> Hi Beverley,

> Glad to see you're back! Thanks for the chance to discuss/clarify

the subject of religion discussions. You are a valuable contributor

here and I look forward to reading your posts.

> AZClown

>

>

>

> Re: Re: I am back...from List Manager

>

>

>

> I really do not feel anyone was shoving their views down anyones

throat. I feel everyone

> was very respectful and some of the people that communicated back

and forth the best

> were Christian and Atheist. some expressed their recovery from

spiritual abuse from a

> Christian perspective and others from an Atheist or Agnostic

perspective. No ones view

> here is wrong or absolute truth to anyone but themselves and they

did not try to present

> themselves as such.

>

> And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim? Buddhist? I agree the

comments were considerate of atheiests, and I can see the argument

about recovery from spiritual abuse but it is a slippery slope,and it

seemed to me that the discussion was moving into comparative

religions, at best, and there is no resolution to that.

> I could also get into how nada shaped my politics but that would be

equally digressive.

>

> Thanks to those who asked me to stay; I should have raised it with

the group first, and I apologise.

>

> Beverley

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree, Ninera -- If I recall correctly, a Buddhist did post -- and

I know we have one Jewish poster who might not have chimed in, but

was welcome to.....Muslim, etc., all welcome to chime in, too.

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I really do not feel anyone was shoving their views

> > down anyones throat. I feel everyone

> > was very respectful and some of the people that

> > communicated back and forth the best

> > were Christian and Atheist. some expressed their

> > recovery from spiritual abuse from a

> > Christian perspective and others from an Atheist or

> > Agnostic perspective. No ones view

> > here is wrong or absolute truth to anyone but

> > themselves and they did not try to present

> > themselves as such.

> >

> > And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim?

> > Buddhist? I agree the comments were considerate of

> > atheiests, and I can see the argument about

> > recovery from spiritual abuse but it is a slippery

> > slope,and it seemed to me that the discussion was

> > moving into comparative religions, at best, and

> > there is no resolution to that.

> > I could also get into how nada shaped my politics

> > but that would be equally digressive.

> >

> > Thanks to those who asked me to stay; I should have

> > raised it with the group first, and I apologise.

> >

> > Beverley

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for

> > help at @... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT

> > CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP.

> >

> > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, "

> > call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We

> > also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother "

> > (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, "

> > (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome

> > to the WTO community!

> >

> > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online

> > Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook.

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi , welcome back! Glad to hear you are doing well.

Tina

>

> Hi all,

> As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have been

> only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

> good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

> soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

>

> I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please contact me

with any list questions or concerns (@...) This will allow Randi to

go back to concentrating on her writing.

>

> Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you sent

me. I really appreciate all the support!

>

> Warmly,

>

> R.

> Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members with a

Borderline Loved One

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kyla and Ninera,

I'm a Jewish poster (mostly a reader!) and I have always felt a deep

appreciation that we can discuss religion, whether in terms of

coping with holidays or our spiritual lives, in connection with BPD

on this board. It's certainly a big part of life for many people.

Many posters here who I know and love here are Christian of one

denomination or another, and I personally feel enriched when they

share how/whether their relationship with God is a part

of " overcoming " their relationships with a nada or fada. I would

feel the same about other belief systems, as long as the point of a

post is not to convert or proselytize to another poster.

I come here because I want to be encouraged and also to learn how

other KOs grow and move forward - there are lots of ways, and

walking a spirtual path is definitely a valid one.

April

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I really do not feel anyone was shoving their views

> > > down anyones throat. I feel everyone

> > > was very respectful and some of the people that

> > > communicated back and forth the best

> > > were Christian and Atheist. some expressed their

> > > recovery from spiritual abuse from a

> > > Christian perspective and others from an Atheist or

> > > Agnostic perspective. No ones view

> > > here is wrong or absolute truth to anyone but

> > > themselves and they did not try to present

> > > themselves as such.

> > >

> > > And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim?

> > > Buddhist? I agree the comments were considerate of

> > > atheiests, and I can see the argument about

> > > recovery from spiritual abuse but it is a slippery

> > > slope,and it seemed to me that the discussion was

> > > moving into comparative religions, at best, and

> > > there is no resolution to that.

> > > I could also get into how nada shaped my politics

> > > but that would be equally digressive.

> > >

> > > Thanks to those who asked me to stay; I should have

> > > raised it with the group first, and I apologise.

> > >

> > > Beverley

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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> > >

> > >

> > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for

> > > help at @ SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT

> > > CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP.

> > >

> > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, "

> > > call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We

> > > also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother "

> > > (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, "

> > > (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome

> > > to the WTO community!

> > >

> > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online

> > > Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook.

> > >

[Guest guest]

April & Ninera,

April - This is exactly my sentiment for sharing my light bulb moment

of yesterday. I was hoping just to share, not convert, no hidden

agenda. It was a big moment for me. One minute I was reading along,

the next I was dissolved in tears. It was huge for me. But I didn't

expect the controversy,...oh well. I tried, I did ask for ANY other

opinions at the end of my email.

Ninera - I appreciate how you phrased your response as well; " the

truth that works for them. "

Thank you April & Ninera for your input.

Kindest regards,

Mercy

> > >

> > > >>And if someone on the list is Jewish? Muslim?

> > > > Buddhist? <<

> > >

> > > Then let them share what has worked for them. That's

> > > all anyone was doing...and from what I read every

> > > single post on that, including my own, was very

> > > strongly of the opinion that each person has to find

> > > the truth that works for them.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just wanted to check in to say I'm glad to hear the surgery went well and

that your prognosis is looking good!!

You do such wonderful things for us all, virtual strangers to you, thank you

for taking such good care of us despite everything happening in your personal

life, I don't know what many of us would do without this website:)

Take care and I'll keep you in my prayers.

lisa@... wrote:

Hi all,

As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have been

only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please contact me with any

list questions or concerns (@...) This will allow Randi to go

back to concentrating on her writing.

Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you sent me. I

really appreciate all the support!

Warmly,

R.

Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members with a Borderline

Loved One

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[Guest guest]

Just wanted to chime in briefly...

I'm a Jewish poster as well, and I've found some of the discussion of

spirituality to be interesting. I'm not a religious person myself

(well, not anymore), but it is interesting to read about how other

people find strength, wisdom, and comfort within their religion. That

is a wonderful thing.

I can also relate to people who may sometimes feel uncomfortable with

religious discussions. Many Jewish Americans sometimes feel eclipsed

by the overwhelming majority of Christianity. As though Christianity

is the default religion and anything else is some sort of unusual

anomaly.

From my perspective, in the US where I reside, Christianity or

agnosticism *is* the majority belief, and Judaism, for example, is

statistically less popular. So I don't feel excluded by discussions of

Christian thought, proverbs, or holidays. But I can see how some

people who practice a belief system that is statistically less popular

might feel a bit excluded. On the other hand, they can go ahead and

post about their unique experience as a Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim,

Hindu, agnostic, atheist, Pagan, Wiccan, animist person.

That said, I think we can all try to be open to hearing everyone's

beliefs and ways of viewing the world. But hey, we're doing that

already .

qwerty

>

> Hi Kyla and Ninera,

>

> I'm a Jewish poster (mostly a reader!) and I have always felt a deep

> appreciation that we can discuss religion, whether in terms of

> coping with holidays or our spiritual lives, in connection with BPD

> on this board. It's certainly a big part of life for many people.

>

> Many posters here who I know and love here are Christian of one

> denomination or another, and I personally feel enriched when they

> share how/whether their relationship with God is a part

> of " overcoming " their relationships with a nada or fada. I would

> feel the same about other belief systems, as long as the point of a

> post is not to convert or proselytize to another poster.

>

> I come here because I want to be encouraged and also to learn how

> other KOs grow and move forward - there are lots of ways, and

> walking a spirtual path is definitely a valid one.

>

> April

[Guest guest]

I have noticed this as well and agree that Christians can be a little

heavy handed...like if you explain your distaste for church or

organized religion the aim seems to be to encourage you to get some

Jesus elsewhere. But joking aside, I think the religion issue is an

important one: my partner's nada is the one who goes Jesus crazy,

sending my partner e-mail forward after e-mail forward about

getting " saved " (after he's asked her politely more than once to stop

sending spam). He's an atheist. (I'm not going to follow the trend

and make a bunch of qualifications for why he's still good and open-

minded even though he's an atheist...LOL.)

I really think that some people, when they find that their power is

limited over a situation and they feel like they NEED control, will

invoke religion to try and get that power over others. So his nada

has claimed that she will release " dark energy " over me, that she

will cast spells on me, etc. She's told him things about how he's

going to hell...this always seems to appear when she's terrified of

losing CONTROL over him. I understand that people need

something/someone to turn to when they feel like nothing is in their

hands, and God is one way people deal with this, but she attempts to

use God as a tool to threaten and intimidate.

Of course, because my partner is an atheist, he just laughs. I'm

not an atheist, but I laugh too because to misuse religion is a

childish way to try to scare people and control them.

S.

Hi all,

> As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have

been

> only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer. The

> good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and will

> soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

>

> I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please contact

me with any list questions or concerns (@...) This will allow

Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

>

> Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement you

sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

>

> Warmly,

>

> R.

> Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members

with a Borderline Loved One

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

As has been stated before, I think we'd better be careful with this

subject. Things have just about calmed down. I'd hate to see it

flame up again.

-Kyla

Hi all,

> > As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have

> been

> > only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer.

The

> > good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and

will

> > soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> > prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

> >

> > I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please

contact

> me with any list questions or concerns (@) This will allow

> Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

> >

> > Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement

you

> sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

> >

> > Warmly,

> >

> > R.

> > Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members

> with a Borderline Loved One

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry, maybe I missed 's post on this? I didn't realize that I

shouldn't post about it. I won't do it again.

S.

Hi all,

> > > As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but have

> > been

> > > only minimally active recently because of my breast cancer.

> The

> > > good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery and

> will

> > > soon start radiation treatments and undergo other treatment to

> > > prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

> > >

> > > I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please

> contact

> > me with any list questions or concerns (@) This will allow

> > Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

> > >

> > > Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of encouragement

> you

> > sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

> > >

> > > Warmly,

> > >

> > > R.

> > > Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family Members

> > with a Borderline Loved One

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

And mine Kyla! (she says sheepishly)

Mercy

Hi all,

> > > > > As most of you know, I am the moderator of this group but

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > only minimally active recently because of my breast

> cancer.

> > > The

> > > > > good news is, I am doing well. I had successful surgery

> and

> > > will

> > > > > soon start radiation treatments and undergo other

treatment

> to

> > > > > prevent a spread or recurrance. My prognosis is very good.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted to let you know that I am back in action. Please

> > > contact

> > > > me with any list questions or concerns (@) This will

> allow

> > > > Randi to go back to concentrating on her writing.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you all for the warm regards and notes of

> encouragement

> > > you

> > > > sent me. I really appreciate all the support!

> > > > >

> > > > > Warmly,

> > > > >

> > > > > R.

> > > > > Manager, The Welcome to Oz Online Community for Family

> Members

> > > > with a Borderline Loved One

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

> > > > >

> > > > >