Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

[Guest guest]

Kv,How do you know your hippocampus has been destroyed?

 

I have mentioned this loads of times - chronic stress has destroyed my

hippocampus and that's the reason why I can't spell, I'm not dumb.

Genitic, crikey! I can spell that - well, usually. But the hippocampus

is the most repairable part of the brain so there is still loads of

hope, I reckon. I forget most things most of the time (damn), but there

is still a glimmer left, and from that everything can unfold and renew.

The brain can re-invent itself.

Kv

>

>

> The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and

> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical

> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other

> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and

better.

> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an

> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every

> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an

> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and

> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.

> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical

twins

> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different

and

> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the

> generations.

>

> The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature

and

> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological

> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.

>

> These epigenetic (above the gene) " light switches " can affect

> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.

>

> Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at

Kings

> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in

> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were

> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet

> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the

> influence of genes.

>

> " Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.

> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind, " he said at the

> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your

Genes,

> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is

> immutable.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I am a very poor speller myself.  I have always been but I'm much better now than ever before - just a product of being older now.  But still, often I can't even spell some words close enough for any spell checker to give me correct suggestion.  When I see a word, I can recognize most of the time if it is spelled correctly.  But for me to come up with correct spelling myself - that I often struggle with.

 

Hi Kaivey, The hippocampus is involved with both memory and learning huh? Seems to me that you are a pretty smart dude, you always seem to be learning something new. I work with some people who have intellectual impairments and I often stand back to watch as they problem solve tasks, observing the process and methods they employ. That given, it seems to me that you have a very healthy and fully functioning hippocampus. We all experience memory problems sometimes, I know I do and I can't spell to save my life either

:-)  

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:10 AM

Subject: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics

is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

I have mentioned this loads of times - chronic stress has destroyed my

hippocampus and that's the reason why I can't spell, I'm not dumb.

Genitic, crikey! I can spell that - well, usually. But the hippocampus

is the most repairable part of the brain so there is still loads of

hope, I reckon. I forget most things most of the time (damn), but there

is still a glimmer left, and from that everything can unfold and renew.

The brain can re-invent itself.

Kv

>

>

> The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and

> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical

> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other

> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and

better.

> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an

> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every

> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an

> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and

> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.

> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical

twins

> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different

and

> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the

> generations.

>

> The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature

and

> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological

> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.

>

> These epigenetic (above the gene) " light switches " can affect

> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.

>

> Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at

Kings

> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in

> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were

> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet

> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the

> influence of genes.

>

> " Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.

> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind, " he said at the

> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your

Genes,

> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is

> immutable.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

So interesting. I do not struggle with spelling and am not sure it has anything to do with intelligence. Emotional intelligence has to do with living your life well - not with spelling or achievement of any kind.What does smartness have to do with learning something new? We all do that from childhood on up. Smartness has to do with how we put that learning to use. Or not. Idiot savants are smart but they lack skills that allow them to live their lives independently and flexibly.HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:11:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

Hi Kaivey, The hippocampus is involved with both memory and learning huh? Seems to me that you are a pretty smart dude, you always seem to be learning something new. I work with some people who have intellectual impairments and I often stand back to watch as they problem solve tasks, observing the process and methods they employ. That given, it seems to me that you have a very healthy and fully functioning hippocampus. We all experience memory problems sometimes, I know I do and I can't spell to save my life either

:-) To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:10 AM Subject: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics

is the new twist in an age-old argume

I have mentioned this loads of times - chronic stress has destroyed my

hippocampus and that's the reason why I can't spell, I'm not dumb.

Genitic, crikey! I can spell that - well, usually. But the hippocampus

is the most repairable part of the brain so there is still loads of

hope, I reckon. I forget most things most of the time (damn), but there

is still a glimmer left, and from that everything can unfold and renew.

The brain can re-invent itself.

Kv

>

>

> The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and

> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical

> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other

> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and

better.

> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an

> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every

> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an

> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and

> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.

> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical

twins

> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different

and

> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the

> generations.

>

> The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature

and

> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological

> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.

>

> These epigenetic (above the gene) "light switches" can affect

> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.

>

> Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at

Kings

> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in

> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were

> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet

> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the

> influence of genes.

>

> "Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.

> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind," he said at the

> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your

Genes,

> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is

> immutable.

>

>

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nature-nurture-or-neither-epig\

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> Kv

>

[Guest guest]

, you sell yourself short if you think you understand "little". I consider you quite wise. When Kaivey mentioned that "chronic stress has destroyed my hippocampus" I do wonder what he means by that and how he knows that. However, I understand that he seldom chooses to answer questions so I guess I will need to continue wondering...or let it go.All the best {}HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:41:57 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

I have a big smile on my face.....hi Helena, As I understand, (which is little at this stage), the hippocampus is the part of the brain where memory and learning is processed. Kaivey seems healthy right, very capable of learning and often recounts things from his memory. We all do I guess. You caught me with the word 'smart' (he, he, he), no, it has nothing to do with 'smartness', whatever that is. Good to hear from you, To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

So interesting. I do not struggle with spelling and am not sure it has anything to do with intelligence. Emotional intelligence has to do with living your life well - not with spelling or achievement of any kind.What does smartness have to do with learning something new? We all do that from childhood on up. Smartness has to do with how we put that learning to use. Or not. Idiot savants are smart but they lack skills that allow them to live their lives independently and flexibly.HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public"

<ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:11:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

Hi Kaivey, The hippocampus is involved with both memory and learning huh? Seems to me that you are a pretty smart dude, you always seem to be learning something new. I work with some people who have intellectual impairments and I often stand back to watch as they problem solve tasks, observing the process and methods they employ. That given, it seems to me that you have a very healthy and fully functioning hippocampus. We all experience memory problems sometimes, I know I do and I can't spell to save my life either

:-) To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:10 AM Subject: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics

is the new twist in an age-old argume

I have mentioned this loads of times - chronic stress has destroyed my

hippocampus and that's the reason why I can't spell, I'm not dumb.

Genitic, crikey! I can spell that - well, usually. But the hippocampus

is the most repairable part of the brain so there is still loads of

hope, I reckon. I forget most things most of the time (damn), but there

is still a glimmer left, and from that everything can unfold and renew.

The brain can re-invent itself.

Kv

>

>

> The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and

> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical

> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other

> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and

better.

> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an

> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every

> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an

> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and

> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.

> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical

twins

> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different

and

> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the

> generations.

>

> The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature

and

> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological

> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.

>

> These epigenetic (above the gene) "light switches" can affect

> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.

>

> Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at

Kings

> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in

> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were

> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet

> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the

> influence of genes.

>

> "Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.

> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind," he said at the

> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your

Genes,

> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is

> immutable.

>

>

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nature-nurture-or-neither-epig\

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> enetics-is-the-new-twist-in-an-ageold-argument-7808598.html

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[Guest guest]

" I can be very bloody minded. " Ha! - I love that about you! I hope you get the program you want. What is CBAS?HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 5:06:53 PMSubject: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

Four drugs with epigenetic effects that can switch genes on or off are already on the market and 40 more are in development, he said.

But there are other, natural, ways of controlling them, too. Exercise has been shown to switch off the FTO gene, a key driver of obesity. Diet can also affect gene expression.

I would like to add that therapy, or self development (through hard work and persistance) can also reprogram your genes. My doctor has put me on the list for either CBT or analytical behaviour therapy, or something like that (a mixture of pschyoanalysis and cognitive behaviour therapy, I believe - I think it might be a type of CBAS), which depends on the the assessment. I hope to get the latter which will take up to a year and is much more intensive. I have always wanted to talk things through with someone and this important to me. Anyway, I can see myself arguing with the CBT therapist about the mertit of challenging thoughts. I can be very bloody minded.

Kv

>> > The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and better.> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical twins> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different and> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the> generations.> > The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature and> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.> > These epigenetic (above the gene) "light switches" can affect> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.> > Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at Kings> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the> influence of genes.> > "Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind," he said at the> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your Genes,> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is> immutable.> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nature-nurture-or-neither-epig\> enetics-is-the-new-twist-in-an-ageold-argument-7808598.html> <http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nature-nurture-or-neither-epi\> genetics-is-the-new-twist-in-an-ageold-argument-7808598.html>> > Kv>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I posed the question to Kaivey (who used to be and then KV and then Kavy and then Kaivey) and I am still hoping he will respond - however he spells himself. But I won't hold my breath because he never does. He puts things out there. And that's that. I will look up Sapolsky.HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 5:17:30 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

Thanks for the compliment Helena, I'm still smiling. To answer your question...as it turns out, according to Sapolsky (a very likable neuro scientist that Kaivey put me onto), during fight/flight responses the body releases a chemical called glucocortisoids. In the short term these chemicals are very useful to rouse behaviour but if an individual experiences high levels of glucocortisoids over a length of time, it can impact many areas of the brain and body systems. Thankfully, that is not the entire story. It is merely a single note in the music. Sapolsky's lectures are available on YouTube. To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

, you sell yourself short if you think you understand "little". I consider you quite wise. When Kaivey mentioned that "chronic stress has destroyed my hippocampus" I do wonder what he means by that and how he knows that. However, I understand that he seldom chooses to answer questions so I guess I will need to continue wondering...or let it go.All the best

{}HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:41:57 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

I have a big smile on my face.....hi Helena, As I understand, (which is little at this stage), the hippocampus is the part of the brain where memory and learning is processed. Kaivey seems healthy right, very capable of learning and often recounts things from his memory. We all do I guess. You caught me with the word 'smart' (he, he, he), no, it has nothing to do with 'smartness', whatever that is. Good to hear from

you, To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

So interesting. I do not struggle with spelling and am not sure it has anything to do with intelligence. Emotional intelligence has to do with living your life well - not with spelling or achievement of any kind.What does smartness have to do with learning something new? We all do that from childhood on up. Smartness has to do with how we put that learning to use. Or not. Idiot savants are smart but they lack skills that allow them to live their lives independently and flexibly.HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public"

<ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:11:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

Hi Kaivey, The hippocampus is involved with both memory and learning huh? Seems to me that you are a pretty smart dude, you always seem to be learning something new. I work with some people who have intellectual impairments and I often stand back to watch as they problem solve tasks, observing the process and methods they employ. That given, it

seems to me that you have a very healthy and fully functioning hippocampus. We all experience memory problems sometimes, I know I do and I can't spell to save my life either

:-) To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:10 AM Subject: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics

is the new twist in an age-old argume

I have mentioned this loads of times - chronic stress has destroyed my

hippocampus and that's the reason why I can't spell, I'm not dumb.

Genitic, crikey! I can spell that - well, usually. But the hippocampus

is the most repairable part of the brain so there is still loads of

hope, I reckon. I forget most things most of the time (damn), but there

is still a glimmer left, and from that everything can unfold and renew.

The brain can re-invent itself.

Kv

>

>

> The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and

> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical

> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other

> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and

better.

> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an

> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every

> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an

> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and

> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.

> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical

twins

> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different

and

> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the

> generations.

>

> The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature

and

> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological

> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.

>

> These epigenetic (above the gene) "light switches" can affect

> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.

>

> Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at

Kings

> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in

> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were

> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet

> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the

> influence of genes.

>

> "Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.

> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind," he said at the

> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your

Genes,

> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is

> immutable.

>

>

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nature-nurture-or-neither-epig\

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[Guest guest]

Intelligence has a lot to do with ability to learn new things.  Also it contributes a lot to ability to live flexibly.  And think flexibly.Correct me if I'm wrong but idiot savants score very low on IQ test.  It's not emotional intelligence that they lack, but intelligence.

I think that intelligence is a the most important attribute to have to be able to live a life well.But anyway, points is very valid.  Judging by the emails, Kv is a intelligent, engaging and thoughtful person who it seems to me lives a life pretty well.  He lindy hops.  He is employed - though he says he's stressed in his job.

So all his talk about being brain damaged and so stressed out that he can't function well doesn't mesh.  I think Kv is fused to a nonsense story his mind tells him.

 

So interesting.  I do not struggle with spelling and am not sure it has anything to do with intelligence.  Emotional intelligence has to do with living your life well - not with spelling or achievement of any kind.

What does smartness have to do with learning something new? We all do that from childhood on up.  Smartness has to do with how we put that learning to use.  Or not.  Idiot savants are smart but they lack skills that allow them to live their lives independently and flexibly.

HelenaTo: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >

Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:11:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

Hi Kaivey, The hippocampus is involved with both memory and learning huh? Seems to me that you are a pretty smart dude, you always seem to be learning something new. I work with some people who have intellectual impairments and I often stand back to watch as they problem solve tasks, observing the process and methods they employ. That given, it seems to me that you have a very healthy and fully functioning hippocampus. We all experience memory problems sometimes, I know I do and I can't spell to save my life either

:-)  

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:10 AM

Subject: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics

is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

I have mentioned this loads of times - chronic stress has destroyed my

hippocampus and that's the reason why I can't spell, I'm not dumb.

Genitic, crikey! I can spell that - well, usually. But the hippocampus

is the most repairable part of the brain so there is still loads of

hope, I reckon. I forget most things most of the time (damn), but there

is still a glimmer left, and from that everything can unfold and renew.

The brain can re-invent itself.

Kv

>

>

> The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and

> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical

> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other

> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and

better.

> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an

> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every

> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an

> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and

> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.

> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical

twins

> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different

and

> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the

> generations.

>

> The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature

and

> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological

> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.

>

> These epigenetic (above the gene) " light switches " can affect

> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.

>

> Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at

Kings

> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in

> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were

> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet

> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the

> influence of genes.

>

> " Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.

> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind, " he said at the

> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your

Genes,

> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is

> immutable.

>

>

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/nature-nurture-or-neither-epig\

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>

 

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I agree.  Kaivey or Kv or puts thing out there and then if someone ask him to clarify something he said he never responds to that.  Instead he throws out something else and on and on.

 

Thanks.  I posed the question to Kaivey (who used to be and then KV and then Kavy and then Kaivey) and I am still hoping he will respond - however he spells himself.  But I won't hold my breath because he never does. He puts things out there.  And that's that.  

I will look up Sapolsky.Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 5:17:30 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

 Thanks for the compliment Helena, I'm still smiling. 

To answer your question...as it turns out, according to Sapolsky (a very likable neuro scientist that Kaivey put me onto), during fight/flight responses the body releases a chemical called glucocortisoids. In the short term these chemicals are very useful to rouse behaviour but if an individual experiences high levels of glucocortisoids over a length of time, it can impact many areas of the brain and body systems. Thankfully, that is not the entire story. It is merely a single note in the music. Sapolsky's lectures are available on YouTube.

 

To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 6:24 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

, you sell yourself short if you think you understand " little " .  I consider you quite wise.  When Kaivey mentioned that   " chronic stress has destroyed my hippocampus " I do wonder what he means by that and how he knows that.  However, I understand that he seldom chooses to answer questions so I guess I will need to continue wondering...or let it go.

All the best

{}Helena

To: " ACT for the Public " <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:41:57 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

 I have a big smile on my face.....hi Helena, As I understand, (which is little at this stage), the hippocampus is the part of the brain where memory and learning is processed. Kaivey seems healthy right, very capable of learning and often recounts things from his memory. We all do I guess. You caught me with the word 'smart' (he, he, he), no, it has nothing to do with 'smartness', whatever that is.

 Good to hear from

you,  

To: ACT for the Public <ACT_for_the_Public > Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:58 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

So interesting.  I do not struggle with spelling and am not sure it has anything to do with intelligence.  Emotional intelligence has to do with living your life well - not with spelling or achievement of any kind.

What does smartness have to do with learning something new? We all do that from childhood on up.  Smartness has to do with how we put that learning to use.  Or not.  Idiot savants are smart but they lack skills that allow them to live their lives independently and flexibly.

Helena

To: " ACT for the Public "

<ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 4:11:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

Hi Kaivey, The hippocampus is involved with both memory and learning huh? Seems to me that you are a pretty smart dude, you always seem to be learning something new. I work with some people who have intellectual impairments and I often stand back to watch as they problem solve tasks, observing the process and methods they employ. That given, it

seems to me that you have a very healthy and fully functioning hippocampus. We all experience memory problems sometimes, I know I do and I can't spell to save my life either

:-)  

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2012 5:10 AM

Subject: Re: Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics

is the new twist in an age-old argume

 

I have mentioned this loads of times - chronic stress has destroyed my

hippocampus and that's the reason why I can't spell, I'm not dumb.

Genitic, crikey! I can spell that - well, usually. But the hippocampus

is the most repairable part of the brain so there is still loads of

hope, I reckon. I forget most things most of the time (damn), but there

is still a glimmer left, and from that everything can unfold and renew.

The brain can re-invent itself.

Kv

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>

> The future looks great for us who always believed we could change and

> get better, who never believed the genitic biological-chemical

> imballance theory of depression, alcohlolism, anxiety, or other

> emotional or mental disorders. The science just gets better and

better.

> Nature, nurture... or neither? Epigenetics is the new twist in an

> age-old argument It is a shibboleth of family life – that every

> individual is the product of their genes and environment, the one an

> immutable inheritance, the other a mutable array of influences and

> pressures with unpredictable outcomes.

> But new research has demonstrated that genes can change, identical

twins

> with the same genetic inheritance can turn out completely different

and

> the impact of environmental influences can be passed down the

> generations.

>

> The new science of epigenetics has shown that in addition to nature

and

> nurture, what makes us who we are is also determined by biological

> mechanisms that can switch genes on or off.

>

> These epigenetic (above the gene) " light switches " can affect

> characteristics as fundamental as autism and sexual orientation.

>

> Professor Tim Spector, head of the department of twin research at

Kings

> College, London, who has undertaken the most detailed twin studies in

> the world, cited the case of Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh, who were

> joined at the head and shared identical genes and environment and yet

> had different personalities. The differences led him to question the

> influence of genes.

>

> " Up to a few years ago I believed genes were the key to the universe.

> But over the last three years, I have changed my mind, " he said at the

> launch of his book Identically Different: Why You Can Change Your

Genes,

> which challenges the view that an individual's genetic inheritance is

> immutable.

>

>

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