Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

[Guest guest]

Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness. This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths, though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I ended up getting awards for my achievements.

A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major Depression

The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were similar to those in the healthy subjects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects. Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain, violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3) a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

Kv

[Guest guest]

Even being a born again Christian damages the hippocampus because the rush of euphoria releases loads of brain dissolving cortisol. But don't worry, you guys, the hippocampus is the most repairable part of the brain so when things calm down everything will be okay again. It takes only a few months for the hippocampus to fully recover but those of us who have stress going back to early childhood it might take a bit longer. London taxi drivers develop a massive hippocampus because they have to learn the 'knowledge'; which means they learn where every street london is and have to remember this without using a map.

Religious Experiences Shrink Part of the Brain

A study links life-changing religious experiences, like being "born again," with atrophy in the hippocampus

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain

Kv

>> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but> it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood> trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.> This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in> everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then> after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths,> though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and> then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in> everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I> ended up getting awards for my achievements.> > A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting> depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and> memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.> Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women> With Major Depression> The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left> hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%> smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right> hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and> left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were> similar to those in the healthy subjects.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>> Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological> trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.> Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder> (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We> meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in> trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects.> Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,> violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we> searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies> through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric> studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of> either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed> controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total> hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed> group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3)> a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.> Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed> group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the> right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the> trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus> was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not> in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction> is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit> additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the> trauma-exposed group without PTSD.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>> > Kv>

[Guest guest]

As you can see I have no started over posting and this is the reason I

often don't relpy to other people's posts, which can double, treble, or

even quadruple my posts and I have been told off for this so many times.

I hope the information is useful to some of you, though. I find it to be

so encouraging.

Kv

> >

> >

> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life

> but

> > it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early

> childhood

> > trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.

> > This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's

in

> > everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then

> > after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at

> maths,

> > though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and

> > then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100%

in

> > everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I

> > ended up getting awards for my achievements.

> >

> > A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting

> > depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and

> > memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

> > Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women

> > With Major Depression

> > The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean

> left

> > hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%

> > smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects.

Right

> > hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right

and

> > left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were

> > similar to those in the healthy subjects.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>

> > Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to

psychological

> > trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

> > Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress

disorder

> > (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> > meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in

> > trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed

> subjects.

> > Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> > violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster,

we

> > searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies

> > through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric

> > studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of

> > either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed

> > controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and

> total

> > hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed

> > group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and

> 3)

> > a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> > Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and

trauma-exposed

> > group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further,

> the

> > right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right

hippocampus

> > was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but

> not

> > in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume

reduction

> > is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis,

> albeit

> > additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>

> >

> > Kv

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have similar history as Kaivey.  Right from the start, beginning in Kindergarten, I was behind everyone.  I was a very late talking - I started to talk when I was nearly 5.  As adult I looked at my school records, (thanks to sunshine law) and saw that in Kindergarten I was given an IQ test as they were concerned about my mental abilities.  I scored an 86.  Dull.

I got bad grades all the way through high school.  My GPA in high school was 1.47 on 4.0 scale.  Lots of F's.  Physical Education helped pull up my GPA some since I mostly got A's in PE.  

At about 19 or 20 I started to do decently and sometimes well in college courses.  At times slipped back.  Then later I started to do more consistently well.  I score high on IQ test now and was a member of Mensa for a while.  On the GRE (Graduate Record Exam) I scored high.  Perfect on Quantitative one time.  Even on the Verbal (always my weakness) I score decently - something like 84th percentile.

Interesting.  And there are some interesting things in RFT about mental abilities and IQ - RFT training can raise IQ scores.

 

Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness. This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths, though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I ended up getting awards for my achievements.

A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major Depression

The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were similar to those in the healthy subjects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects. Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain, violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3) a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

Kv

[Guest guest]

I have similar history as Kaivey.  Right from the start, beginning in Kindergarten, I was behind everyone.  I was a very late talking - I started to talk when I was nearly 5.  As adult I looked at my school records, (thanks to sunshine law) and saw that in Kindergarten I was given an IQ test as they were concerned about my mental abilities.  I scored an 86.  Dull.

I got bad grades all the way through high school.  My GPA in high school was 1.47 on 4.0 scale.  Lots of F's.  Physical Education helped pull up my GPA some since I mostly got A's in PE.  

At about 19 or 20 I started to do decently and sometimes well in college courses.  At times slipped back.  Then later I started to do more consistently well.  I score high on IQ test now and was a member of Mensa for a while.  On the GRE (Graduate Record Exam) I scored high.  Perfect on Quantitative one time.  Even on the Verbal (always my weakness) I score decently - something like 84th percentile.

Interesting.  And there are some interesting things in RFT about mental abilities and IQ - RFT training can raise IQ scores.

 

Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness. This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths, though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I ended up getting awards for my achievements.

A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major Depression

The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were similar to those in the healthy subjects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects. Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain, violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3) a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

Kv

[Guest guest]

I have a hypothesis that anyone who thinks dogmatically or rigid-ly will get stupider.  Open flexible thinking will get you smarter. 

 

Even being a born again Christian damages the hippocampus because the rush of euphoria releases loads of brain dissolving cortisol. But don't worry, you guys, the hippocampus is the most repairable part of the brain so when things calm down everything will be okay again. It takes only a few months for the hippocampus to fully recover but those of us who have stress going back to early childhood it might take a bit longer. London taxi drivers develop a massive hippocampus because they have to learn the 'knowledge'; which means they learn where every street london is and have to remember this without using a map.

Religious Experiences Shrink Part of the Brain

A study links life-changing religious experiences, like being " born again, " with atrophy in the hippocampus

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain

Kv

>> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but

> it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood> trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.> This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in

> everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then> after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths,> though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and

> then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in> everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I> ended up getting awards for my achievements.>

> A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting> depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and> memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.> Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women

> With Major Depression> The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left> hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%> smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right

> hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and> left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were> similar to those in the healthy subjects.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>> Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological

> trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.> Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder> (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in> trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects.> Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we> searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies> through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric

> studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of> either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed> controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total

> hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed> group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3)> a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed> group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the> right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the

> trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus> was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not> in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction

> is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit> additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the> trauma-exposed group without PTSD.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>> > Kv>

[Guest guest]

I have a hypothesis that anyone who thinks dogmatically or rigid-ly will get stupider.  Open flexible thinking will get you smarter. 

 

Even being a born again Christian damages the hippocampus because the rush of euphoria releases loads of brain dissolving cortisol. But don't worry, you guys, the hippocampus is the most repairable part of the brain so when things calm down everything will be okay again. It takes only a few months for the hippocampus to fully recover but those of us who have stress going back to early childhood it might take a bit longer. London taxi drivers develop a massive hippocampus because they have to learn the 'knowledge'; which means they learn where every street london is and have to remember this without using a map.

Religious Experiences Shrink Part of the Brain

A study links life-changing religious experiences, like being " born again, " with atrophy in the hippocampus

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain

Kv

>> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but

> it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood> trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.> This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in

> everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then> after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths,> though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and

> then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in> everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I> ended up getting awards for my achievements.>

> A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting> depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and> memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.> Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women

> With Major Depression> The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left> hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%> smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right

> hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and> left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were> similar to those in the healthy subjects.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>> Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological

> trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.> Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder> (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in> trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects.> Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we> searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies> through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric

> studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of> either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed> controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total

> hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed> group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3)> a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed> group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the> right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the

> trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus> was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not> in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction

> is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit> additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the> trauma-exposed group without PTSD.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>> > Kv>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like we had similar experiences, . I've learned that intelligence is not reflected in a high IQ. Emotional intelligence is equally, if not more, important. And then there are so many different kinds of intelligence, as you point out. My sister is a gifted artist but struggled in school. I did not struggle but can't paint worth a damn!When I was 19, I was thoroughly tested and scored well enough to be offered a full scholarship to get a PhD, if desired. I went one semester and dropped out. I was too emotionally immature and pretty much a hot mess! That I was literally "hot" did not help; it attracted the men, and I was too immature and vulnerable to know the good from the bad...HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 3:30:27 AMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

Hi ,

I experienced the opposite to you guys. I got straight A's without even thinking about it and I was the fastest, fittest girl for the longest time. School was my piece of paradise. Regardless of my academic results, the adults around me induced feelings of inadequacy on so many levels. So, as things unfolded, the drugs, sex and motorbikes took precedence over education. By the time I reached my 30's I'd felt `stupid' and `inadequate' for so long I thought I'd look at "intelligence". What is intelligence anyway?

One thing I learnt is that there are multiple intelligences. For example, the IQ test might measure academic intelligence, then there's people like Tiger Woods with kinetic intelligence (awesome muscle memory apparently), Einstien the mathamatical genius, how about Bach or any of the classics with their musical/auditory? Intelligence and for icing on the cake, consider Don with his interpersonal intelligence (he may just trump all of the above :-)

The monk and the scientist are both intelligent; it is the knowledge that differs. Point is I guess that there is a lot more to `intelligence' than meets the eye.

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> > **

> >

> >

> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but

> > it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood

> > trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness. This

> > led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in

> > everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then after

> > that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths,

> > though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and then

> > an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in

> > everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I ended

> > up getting awards for my achievements.

> >

> > A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting depression

> > and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and memory. One day,

> > when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

> > Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With

> > Major Depression

> >

> > The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left

> > hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15% smaller

> > mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right hippocampal

> > volume was similar across the three groups. The right and left hippocampal

> > volumes in the depressed women without abuse were similar to those in the

> > healthy subjects.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> > Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological

> > trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

> >

> > Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder

> > (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> > meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in

> > trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects.

> > Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> > violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we

> > searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies through

> > 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric studies in

> > adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of either

> > trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed controls, or both.

> > We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total hippocampal volumes

> > between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed group, 2) PTSD subjects and

> > a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3) a trauma-unexposed group and a

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the

> > PTSD group and trauma-exposed group without PTSD compared to the

> > trauma-unexposed group. Further, the right hippocampus was smaller in the

> > PTSD group compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally,

> > the right hippocampus was larger than the left in the PTSD and

> > trauma-unexposed groups but not in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> > Hippocampal volume reduction is associated with trauma exposure independent

> > of PTSD diagnosis, albeit additional hippocampal reduction was found in

> > PTSD compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> >

> > Kv

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like we had similar experiences, . I've learned that intelligence is not reflected in a high IQ. Emotional intelligence is equally, if not more, important. And then there are so many different kinds of intelligence, as you point out. My sister is a gifted artist but struggled in school. I did not struggle but can't paint worth a damn!When I was 19, I was thoroughly tested and scored well enough to be offered a full scholarship to get a PhD, if desired. I went one semester and dropped out. I was too emotionally immature and pretty much a hot mess! That I was literally "hot" did not help; it attracted the men, and I was too immature and vulnerable to know the good from the bad...HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 3:30:27 AMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

Hi ,

I experienced the opposite to you guys. I got straight A's without even thinking about it and I was the fastest, fittest girl for the longest time. School was my piece of paradise. Regardless of my academic results, the adults around me induced feelings of inadequacy on so many levels. So, as things unfolded, the drugs, sex and motorbikes took precedence over education. By the time I reached my 30's I'd felt `stupid' and `inadequate' for so long I thought I'd look at "intelligence". What is intelligence anyway?

One thing I learnt is that there are multiple intelligences. For example, the IQ test might measure academic intelligence, then there's people like Tiger Woods with kinetic intelligence (awesome muscle memory apparently), Einstien the mathamatical genius, how about Bach or any of the classics with their musical/auditory? Intelligence and for icing on the cake, consider Don with his interpersonal intelligence (he may just trump all of the above :-)

The monk and the scientist are both intelligent; it is the knowledge that differs. Point is I guess that there is a lot more to `intelligence' than meets the eye.

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but

> > it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood

> > trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness. This

> > led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in

> > everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then after

> > that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths,

> > though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and then

> > an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in

> > everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I ended

> > up getting awards for my achievements.

> >

> > A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting depression

> > and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and memory. One day,

> > when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

> > Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With

> > Major Depression

> >

> > The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left

> > hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15% smaller

> > mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right hippocampal

> > volume was similar across the three groups. The right and left hippocampal

> > volumes in the depressed women without abuse were similar to those in the

> > healthy subjects.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> > Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological

> > trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

> >

> > Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder

> > (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> > meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in

> > trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects.

> > Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> > violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we

> > searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies through

> > 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric studies in

> > adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of either

> > trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed controls, or both.

> > We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total hippocampal volumes

> > between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed group, 2) PTSD subjects and

> > a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3) a trauma-unexposed group and a

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the

> > PTSD group and trauma-exposed group without PTSD compared to the

> > trauma-unexposed group. Further, the right hippocampus was smaller in the

> > PTSD group compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally,

> > the right hippocampus was larger than the left in the PTSD and

> > trauma-unexposed groups but not in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> > Hippocampal volume reduction is associated with trauma exposure independent

> > of PTSD diagnosis, albeit additional hippocampal reduction was found in

> > PTSD compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> >

> > Kv

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, I'm really surprised you had any trouble in your early schooling because you seem so incredibly smart. It just shows you that how a child does in school does not necessarily predict how he will do later in life, or even how smart he is. I think people with high verbal ability (my strongest score) probably learn more rapidly in early life - but that is just my hypothesis. It makes sense when you consider that communication is highly dependent on verbal learning. As one learns enough words to communicate effectively, other things may matter more as a child develops. Instead of saying that "learning impaired" people are disabled, I prefer to say "differently abled." We are all differently abled - each with our unique strengths and weaknesses - and what a boring world it would be if we weren't!Helena To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:22:49 PMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

I have similar history as Kaivey. Right from the start, beginning in Kindergarten, I was behind everyone. I was a very late talking - I started to talk when I was nearly 5. As adult I looked at my school records, (thanks to sunshine law) and saw that in Kindergarten I was given an IQ test as they were concerned about my mental abilities. I scored an 86. Dull.

I got bad grades all the way through high school. My GPA in high school was 1.47 on 4.0 scale. Lots of F's. Physical Education helped pull up my GPA some since I mostly got A's in PE.

At about 19 or 20 I started to do decently and sometimes well in college courses. At times slipped back. Then later I started to do more consistently well. I score high on IQ test now and was a member of Mensa for a while. On the GRE (Graduate Record Exam) I scored high. Perfect on Quantitative one time. Even on the Verbal (always my weakness) I score decently - something like 84th percentile.

Interesting. And there are some interesting things in RFT about mental abilities and IQ - RFT training can raise IQ scores.

Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness. This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths, though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I ended up getting awards for my achievements.

A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major Depression

The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were similar to those in the healthy subjects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects. Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain, violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3) a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

Kv

[Guest guest]

, I'm really surprised you had any trouble in your early schooling because you seem so incredibly smart. It just shows you that how a child does in school does not necessarily predict how he will do later in life, or even how smart he is. I think people with high verbal ability (my strongest score) probably learn more rapidly in early life - but that is just my hypothesis. It makes sense when you consider that communication is highly dependent on verbal learning. As one learns enough words to communicate effectively, other things may matter more as a child develops. Instead of saying that "learning impaired" people are disabled, I prefer to say "differently abled." We are all differently abled - each with our unique strengths and weaknesses - and what a boring world it would be if we weren't!Helena To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:22:49 PMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

I have similar history as Kaivey. Right from the start, beginning in Kindergarten, I was behind everyone. I was a very late talking - I started to talk when I was nearly 5. As adult I looked at my school records, (thanks to sunshine law) and saw that in Kindergarten I was given an IQ test as they were concerned about my mental abilities. I scored an 86. Dull.

I got bad grades all the way through high school. My GPA in high school was 1.47 on 4.0 scale. Lots of F's. Physical Education helped pull up my GPA some since I mostly got A's in PE.

At about 19 or 20 I started to do decently and sometimes well in college courses. At times slipped back. Then later I started to do more consistently well. I score high on IQ test now and was a member of Mensa for a while. On the GRE (Graduate Record Exam) I scored high. Perfect on Quantitative one time. Even on the Verbal (always my weakness) I score decently - something like 84th percentile.

Interesting. And there are some interesting things in RFT about mental abilities and IQ - RFT training can raise IQ scores.

Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness. This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths, though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I ended up getting awards for my achievements.

A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major Depression

The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15% smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were similar to those in the healthy subjects.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects. Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain, violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3) a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

Kv

[Guest guest]

I would agree, but I dislike the concept of stupid vs. smart. Nobody is actually stupid. People do stupid things; that's all. Another thing I have noticed is that everyone thinks they are a flexible thinker. Have you ever met anyone who admits to being close-minded or rigid in their thinking? Put a right-wing Republican next to a liberal Democrat and ask them which one is the flexible thinker. I guarantee you that each of them will point to the other guy! HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:26:45 PMSubject: Re: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

I have a hypothesis that anyone who thinks dogmatically or rigid-ly will get stupider. Open flexible thinking will get you smarter.

Even being a born again Christian damages the hippocampus because the rush of euphoria releases loads of brain dissolving cortisol. But don't worry, you guys, the hippocampus is the most repairable part of the brain so when things calm down everything will be okay again. It takes only a few months for the hippocampus to fully recover but those of us who have stress going back to early childhood it might take a bit longer. London taxi drivers develop a massive hippocampus because they have to learn the 'knowledge'; which means they learn where every street london is and have to remember this without using a map.

Religious Experiences Shrink Part of the Brain

A study links life-changing religious experiences, like being "born again," with atrophy in the hippocampus

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain

Kv

>> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but

> it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood> trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.> This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in

> everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then> after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths,> though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and

> then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in> everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I> ended up getting awards for my achievements.>

> A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting> depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and> memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.> Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women

> With Major Depression> The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left> hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%> smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right

> hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and> left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were> similar to those in the healthy subjects.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>> Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological

> trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.> Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder> (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in> trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects.> Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we> searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies> through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric

> studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of> either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed> controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total

> hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed> group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3)> a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed> group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the> right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the

> trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus> was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not> in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction

> is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit> additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the> trauma-exposed group without PTSD.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>> > Kv>

[Guest guest]

I would agree, but I dislike the concept of stupid vs. smart. Nobody is actually stupid. People do stupid things; that's all. Another thing I have noticed is that everyone thinks they are a flexible thinker. Have you ever met anyone who admits to being close-minded or rigid in their thinking? Put a right-wing Republican next to a liberal Democrat and ask them which one is the flexible thinker. I guarantee you that each of them will point to the other guy! HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 8:26:45 PMSubject: Re: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

I have a hypothesis that anyone who thinks dogmatically or rigid-ly will get stupider. Open flexible thinking will get you smarter.

Even being a born again Christian damages the hippocampus because the rush of euphoria releases loads of brain dissolving cortisol. But don't worry, you guys, the hippocampus is the most repairable part of the brain so when things calm down everything will be okay again. It takes only a few months for the hippocampus to fully recover but those of us who have stress going back to early childhood it might take a bit longer. London taxi drivers develop a massive hippocampus because they have to learn the 'knowledge'; which means they learn where every street london is and have to remember this without using a map.

Religious Experiences Shrink Part of the Brain

A study links life-changing religious experiences, like being "born again," with atrophy in the hippocampus

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain

Kv

>> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life but

> it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early childhood> trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.> This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's in

> everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then> after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at maths,> though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and

> then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100% in> everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I> ended up getting awards for my achievements.>

> A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting> depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and> memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.> Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women

> With Major Depression> The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean left> hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%> smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects. Right

> hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right and> left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were> similar to those in the healthy subjects.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>> Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to psychological

> trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.> Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress disorder> (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in> trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed subjects.> Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster, we> searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies> through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric

> studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of> either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed> controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and total

> hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed> group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and 3)> a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and trauma-exposed> group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further, the> right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the

> trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right hippocampus> was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but not> in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume reduction

> is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis, albeit> additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the> trauma-exposed group without PTSD.> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>> > Kv>

[Guest guest]

Kaivey, I think you are missing out on "back and forth" communication and the learning that can result when you don't reply to other people's questions to you. I sometimes think your mission here is to teach us what you know. I don't believe you are arrogant, but you want to share your knowledge with us because you care. However, we are all capable of reading and googling topics of interest to us. I've already come across many of the posts you've shared in my searching. I would prefer that you share more of yourself with us and less "information" that we already have access to. Of course, some sharing of "scientific" information is welcome, but I would love to hear you engage more in the back and forth and answers to the questions we pose. If we were not interested in you, we wouldn't ask!I'm sorry I teased you about the progression of your name. You have the right to call yourself anything you wish! I find it rather amusing, that's all (in a good way).GekebaActually, it's Helena, but my fingers were on the wrong keys, and I thought the result was hilarious! Maybe I'll keep it!To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:43:29 AMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

As you can see I have no started over posting and this is the reason I

often don't relpy to other people's posts, which can double, treble, or

even quadruple my posts and I have been told off for this so many times.

I hope the information is useful to some of you, though. I find it to be

so encouraging.

Kv

> >

> >

> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life

> but

> > it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early

> childhood

> > trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.

> > This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's

in

> > everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then

> > after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at

> maths,

> > though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and

> > then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100%

in

> > everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I

> > ended up getting awards for my achievements.

> >

> > A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting

> > depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and

> > memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

> > Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women

> > With Major Depression

> > The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean

> left

> > hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%

> > smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects.

Right

> > hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right

and

> > left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were

> > similar to those in the healthy subjects.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>

> > Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to

psychological

> > trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

> > Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress

disorder

> > (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> > meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in

> > trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed

> subjects.

> > Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> > violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster,

we

> > searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies

> > through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric

> > studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of

> > either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed

> > controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and

> total

> > hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed

> > group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and

> 3)

> > a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> > Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and

trauma-exposed

> > group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further,

> the

> > right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right

hippocampus

> > was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but

> not

> > in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume

reduction

> > is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis,

> albeit

> > additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>

> >

> > Kv

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kaivey, I think you are missing out on "back and forth" communication and the learning that can result when you don't reply to other people's questions to you. I sometimes think your mission here is to teach us what you know. I don't believe you are arrogant, but you want to share your knowledge with us because you care. However, we are all capable of reading and googling topics of interest to us. I've already come across many of the posts you've shared in my searching. I would prefer that you share more of yourself with us and less "information" that we already have access to. Of course, some sharing of "scientific" information is welcome, but I would love to hear you engage more in the back and forth and answers to the questions we pose. If we were not interested in you, we wouldn't ask!I'm sorry I teased you about the progression of your name. You have the right to call yourself anything you wish! I find it rather amusing, that's all (in a good way).GekebaActually, it's Helena, but my fingers were on the wrong keys, and I thought the result was hilarious! Maybe I'll keep it!To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 1:43:29 AMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

As you can see I have no started over posting and this is the reason I

often don't relpy to other people's posts, which can double, treble, or

even quadruple my posts and I have been told off for this so many times.

I hope the information is useful to some of you, though. I find it to be

so encouraging.

Kv

> >

> >

> > Not only has stress done much damage to my hippocampus in later life

> but

> > it is highly probable that my hippocampus was damaged by early

> childhood

> > trauma too, or rather, in my case, by chronic childhood unhappiness.

> > This led to learning difficulties at school where I used to get F's

in

> > everything, but then one day, I read Alice In Wonderland and I then

> > after that I got a B in my English exam. I was always useless at

> maths,

> > though, but when I was 26 I went back to college to study an ONC and

> > then an HNC is electronics and computer science and got nearly 100%

in

> > everything. I couldn't believe the advanced maths I was doing and I

> > ended up getting awards for my achievements.

> >

> > A healthy hippocampus is not also very important for combatting

> > depression and anxiety, it is also very important for learning and

> > memory. One day, when I am better, I might do a maths degree.

> > Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women

> > With Major Depression

> > The depressed subjects with childhood abuse had an 18% smaller mean

> left

> > hippocampal volume than the nonabused depressed subjects and a 15%

> > smaller mean left hippocampal volume than the healthy subjects.

Right

> > hippocampal volume was similar across the three groups. The right

and

> > left hippocampal volumes in the depressed women without abuse were

> > similar to those in the healthy subjects.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/

> > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3230324/>

> > Hippocampal volume deficits associated with exposure to

psychological

> > trauma and posttraumatic stress disorder in adults: a meta-analysis.

> > Trauma exposure itself in the absence of posttraumatic stress

disorder

> > (PTSD) may be associated with hippocampal volume deficits. We

> > meta-analytically compared hippocampal volumes in PTSD subjects, in

> > trauma-exposed subjects without PTSD, and in trauma-unexposed

> subjects.

> > Using the words and phrases PTSD, neuroimaging, hippocampus, brain,

> > violence, trauma, abuse, rape, war, combat, accident, and disaster,

we

> > searched major computerized databases to obtain candidate studies

> > through 2008 for inclusion. We identified 39 hippocampal volumetric

> > studies in adults with PTSD compared to control groups consisting of

> > either trauma-exposed controls without PTSD or trauma-unexposed

> > controls, or both. We meta-analytically compared left, right, and

> total

> > hippocampal volumes between 1) PTSD subjects and a trauma-unexposed

> > group, 2) PTSD subjects and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD, and

> 3)

> > a trauma-unexposed group and a trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> > Hippocampal volumes were smaller in the PTSD group and

trauma-exposed

> > group without PTSD compared to the trauma-unexposed group. Further,

> the

> > right hippocampus was smaller in the PTSD group compared to the

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Additionally, the right

hippocampus

> > was larger than the left in the PTSD and trauma-unexposed groups but

> not

> > in the trauma-exposed group without PTSD. Hippocampal volume

reduction

> > is associated with trauma exposure independent of PTSD diagnosis,

> albeit

> > additional hippocampal reduction was found in PTSD compared to the

> > trauma-exposed group without PTSD.

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466

> > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20600466>

> >

> > Kv

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it helps me

alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address of the blog you

run? Wanda

[Guest guest]

Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it helps me

alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address of the blog you

run? Wanda

[Guest guest]

You are a prime example of being fused with your story. Do you not see that?To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:54:35 PMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

I'm glad it helped you. More about myself? Well, here goes:

At one point years ago when I was hopelessy depressed a consultant psychiatrist said I would never get better and that I was just a depressed person by nature and would never be able to cope with life, or be happy, that I was a person who broke down under stress that other people would just take in their stride. I became totally and utterly terrified after he said this to me and this greatly contributed to my devastating nervous breakdown and severe depression After that I sat around at home moping about hating myself for being such a useless, weak, and defective person. And when I went out with friends I felt that they, and everyone else around me, were such lucky people because they were very strong and could cope with life. As the psychiatrist spoke to me he kept nodding his head from side to side while looking down his nose indicating that it everyting was so utterly hopeless for me. He said that I was just a very unfortunate young man and that someone needed to tell me this because no one can help people like me. Anyway, I didn't stop crying for 3 days after I left his office, I just wanted to die.

When I went home I through out all my books on depression which mentioned genetics. I then got new books by Dr Dorothy Rowe who said depression is a learned habit and was not caused by genes - I believed her. I couldn't read any newspaper articles or listen to any television programs which mentioned the link between genes and depression, but I would religeously cut out articles that I found which showed the links between childhood trauma and depression which I saved in a folder. I ended up collecting a lage folder full of hopeful stuff about depression and recovery. I also went jogging every night in the belief that I could increase my will power, stamina, and inner strength.

I then I read about Dr Loren Mosher who was high ranking psychiatrist in the American Psychiatric Association (APA) who totally dismissed the genetic theories of depression. He resigned from the APA saying it had been taking over by biopsychiatry and the drug companies.

http://www.critpsynet.freeuk.com/Mosher.htm

Then there was Dr Bob ston who was a consultant psychiatrist who worked with pychopathic murderers studying the link between childhood trauma and psychopathogy/ mental ilness. He was very passsionate about how people can be helped even when they have suffered very severe traumas. He is a very lovely man and I have spoken to him on a number of occasions at Quaker mettings that I have attended.

http://www.truthtrustconsent.com/

After that I then found this wondeful book called Creating Optimism by Dr Bob Murrey who introduced me to the idea of neuroplasticity and how our past shapes us and how we can be healed. He demonstrates in his book how close loving relationships are very healling to the brain. His wife had suffered chronic depression for years where medicine failed to help her, and she was also told that there was no hope. But he cured her with is love and with his therapy.

http://www.upliftprogram.com/

I also came across the concept of learned helplessness and that we can overcome this by learning new more effective ways of doing things. Learned helplessness significantly contributes to chronic depression. It can be undone.

http://blog.moodr.org/2008/08/how-to-overcome-learned-helplessness.html

There is a link between childhood trauma which sets cortisol levels chronically far too high leading to brain shrinkage, chronic depression ,and anxiety. It is curable through therapy, exercise, and most importantly, by finding someone that you love and who also really loves you. Nothing calms you down more, or reasures you more, than being loved. My girlfriend really loves me and I adore her. We're best friends and it is very nurturing and healing.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v & q=cache:1n9fkQG4PXcJ:www.utm.utoronto.ca/sites/files/fleming-mum-lab/public/shared/pdfs/Shea07.pdf+the+cortisol+feedaback+axis+and+depression+childhood+trauma & hl=en & gl=uk & pid=bl & srcid=ADGEESh41yNq4ok1zwKbR9o2kuE0ChmJUreT0bJdI6qiO4bb0HLurEk32TTDRAus7eFOI1R1t3JXan0tOm4IbwqONHw0AMkSATRYXLzoNFyl1lUgEGXoaAQOK_D83eqoM1kg3jsetk72 & sig=AHIEtbR-YTqJyu3M7I6SZ3bnUGPBci5kJw

The psychologist Jay ph wrote two fabulous books, one was the Gene Illusion and the other was The Missing Gene: Psychiatry, Hereditory, and the Fruitless search for Genes. I sometimes email him and he always relpies.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks & field-keywords=jay+joseph

Dr Burns book, Feeling Good, was so incredibly positive that I kept reading it over and over again. Anyway, if you are quite shy - like me - then his book 'Intimate Connections' is an excellent read.

http://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Connections--D-Burns/dp/0451148452/ref=sr_1_1?s=books & ie=UTF8 & qid=1338744722 & sr=1-1

This list can go on and on, but a few years back I bought a book about ACT called The Mindlefulness and Acceptance Workbook for Depression by Kirk D Stosahl and J on where the authors stated quite strongly that depression was not a gentic illness. Phew! I was now a big convert to ACT. The next book that I bought was The Acceptance and Commitment Workbook for Anxiety has such a feel positive happy feel to it that I was now getting very excited about ACT indeed. Thanks for that very helpful book, both and Georg.

Then I discovered epigenetics and I became even more hopeful that I cant find peace and happiness eventually. Our genes are programable and this program can be changed. Just keep working at self development and more happier healthy relationships.

It has been a hard slog, but I never stopped hoping or trying.

Kv

>> Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address of the blog you run? Wanda>

[Guest guest]

You are a prime example of being fused with your story. Do you not see that?To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:54:35 PMSubject: Re: Childhood Trauma Associated With Smaller Hippocampal Volume in Women With Major

I'm glad it helped you. More about myself? Well, here goes:

At one point years ago when I was hopelessy depressed a consultant psychiatrist said I would never get better and that I was just a depressed person by nature and would never be able to cope with life, or be happy, that I was a person who broke down under stress that other people would just take in their stride. I became totally and utterly terrified after he said this to me and this greatly contributed to my devastating nervous breakdown and severe depression After that I sat around at home moping about hating myself for being such a useless, weak, and defective person. And when I went out with friends I felt that they, and everyone else around me, were such lucky people because they were very strong and could cope with life. As the psychiatrist spoke to me he kept nodding his head from side to side while looking down his nose indicating that it everyting was so utterly hopeless for me. He said that I was just a very unfortunate young man and that someone needed to tell me this because no one can help people like me. Anyway, I didn't stop crying for 3 days after I left his office, I just wanted to die.

When I went home I through out all my books on depression which mentioned genetics. I then got new books by Dr Dorothy Rowe who said depression is a learned habit and was not caused by genes - I believed her. I couldn't read any newspaper articles or listen to any television programs which mentioned the link between genes and depression, but I would religeously cut out articles that I found which showed the links between childhood trauma and depression which I saved in a folder. I ended up collecting a lage folder full of hopeful stuff about depression and recovery. I also went jogging every night in the belief that I could increase my will power, stamina, and inner strength.

I then I read about Dr Loren Mosher who was high ranking psychiatrist in the American Psychiatric Association (APA) who totally dismissed the genetic theories of depression. He resigned from the APA saying it had been taking over by biopsychiatry and the drug companies.

http://www.critpsynet.freeuk.com/Mosher.htm

Then there was Dr Bob ston who was a consultant psychiatrist who worked with pychopathic murderers studying the link between childhood trauma and psychopathogy/ mental ilness. He was very passsionate about how people can be helped even when they have suffered very severe traumas. He is a very lovely man and I have spoken to him on a number of occasions at Quaker mettings that I have attended.

http://www.truthtrustconsent.com/

After that I then found this wondeful book called Creating Optimism by Dr Bob Murrey who introduced me to the idea of neuroplasticity and how our past shapes us and how we can be healed. He demonstrates in his book how close loving relationships are very healling to the brain. His wife had suffered chronic depression for years where medicine failed to help her, and she was also told that there was no hope. But he cured her with is love and with his therapy.

http://www.upliftprogram.com/

I also came across the concept of learned helplessness and that we can overcome this by learning new more effective ways of doing things. Learned helplessness significantly contributes to chronic depression. It can be undone.

http://blog.moodr.org/2008/08/how-to-overcome-learned-helplessness.html

There is a link between childhood trauma which sets cortisol levels chronically far too high leading to brain shrinkage, chronic depression ,and anxiety. It is curable through therapy, exercise, and most importantly, by finding someone that you love and who also really loves you. Nothing calms you down more, or reasures you more, than being loved. My girlfriend really loves me and I adore her. We're best friends and it is very nurturing and healing.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v & q=cache:1n9fkQG4PXcJ:www.utm.utoronto.ca/sites/files/fleming-mum-lab/public/shared/pdfs/Shea07.pdf+the+cortisol+feedaback+axis+and+depression+childhood+trauma & hl=en & gl=uk & pid=bl & srcid=ADGEESh41yNq4ok1zwKbR9o2kuE0ChmJUreT0bJdI6qiO4bb0HLurEk32TTDRAus7eFOI1R1t3JXan0tOm4IbwqONHw0AMkSATRYXLzoNFyl1lUgEGXoaAQOK_D83eqoM1kg3jsetk72 & sig=AHIEtbR-YTqJyu3M7I6SZ3bnUGPBci5kJw

The psychologist Jay ph wrote two fabulous books, one was the Gene Illusion and the other was The Missing Gene: Psychiatry, Hereditory, and the Fruitless search for Genes. I sometimes email him and he always relpies.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks & field-keywords=jay+joseph

Dr Burns book, Feeling Good, was so incredibly positive that I kept reading it over and over again. Anyway, if you are quite shy - like me - then his book 'Intimate Connections' is an excellent read.

http://www.amazon.com/Intimate-Connections--D-Burns/dp/0451148452/ref=sr_1_1?s=books & ie=UTF8 & qid=1338744722 & sr=1-1

This list can go on and on, but a few years back I bought a book about ACT called The Mindlefulness and Acceptance Workbook for Depression by Kirk D Stosahl and J on where the authors stated quite strongly that depression was not a gentic illness. Phew! I was now a big convert to ACT. The next book that I bought was The Acceptance and Commitment Workbook for Anxiety has such a feel positive happy feel to it that I was now getting very excited about ACT indeed. Thanks for that very helpful book, both and Georg.

Then I discovered epigenetics and I became even more hopeful that I cant find peace and happiness eventually. Our genes are programable and this program can be changed. Just keep working at self development and more happier healthy relationships.

It has been a hard slog, but I never stopped hoping or trying.

Kv

>> Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address of the blog you run? Wanda>

[Guest guest]

I feel a bit guilty about writing this very revealing post now, but I doubt if anyone will find out who I am. I think I wrote it to explain why I am so zealous, determined, and very single minded. I don't debate my views with anyone, which is one of the resaons why I very seldom reply to other people's posts. I know what is truth for me and that is that.

Anyway, I forget to mention the work Professor Reueven Freuestein who helps badly brain damaged children, and adults, by bringing them back to normal intelligence, afterwhich they can go on to live very much normal lives. He even helps Down's syndrone children get back to IQ. He's a really big hero of mine. He was demonstratring in the 60's that the brain was neuroplastic which could renew and grow.

Feuerstein says it is his outlook on life that has led to his achievements. "If you have two alternatives, don't make the pessimistic choice. Always choose like an optimist. At least that will bring you to action, to test the waters. If you take the pessimistic route, you'll never accomplish anything. Even if you don't think you'll reach the highest levels, you still have to try to climb up."

http://www.aish.com/jw/id/48914587.html

http://www.scel.org/aboutus/feuerstein.asp

Kv

> >> > Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it> helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address> of the blog you run? Wanda> >>

[Guest guest]

I feel a bit guilty about writing this very revealing post now, but I doubt if anyone will find out who I am. I think I wrote it to explain why I am so zealous, determined, and very single minded. I don't debate my views with anyone, which is one of the resaons why I very seldom reply to other people's posts. I know what is truth for me and that is that.

Anyway, I forget to mention the work Professor Reueven Freuestein who helps badly brain damaged children, and adults, by bringing them back to normal intelligence, afterwhich they can go on to live very much normal lives. He even helps Down's syndrone children get back to IQ. He's a really big hero of mine. He was demonstratring in the 60's that the brain was neuroplastic which could renew and grow.

Feuerstein says it is his outlook on life that has led to his achievements. "If you have two alternatives, don't make the pessimistic choice. Always choose like an optimist. At least that will bring you to action, to test the waters. If you take the pessimistic route, you'll never accomplish anything. Even if you don't think you'll reach the highest levels, you still have to try to climb up."

http://www.aish.com/jw/id/48914587.html

http://www.scel.org/aboutus/feuerstein.asp

Kv

> >> > Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it> helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address> of the blog you run? Wanda> >>

[Guest guest]

I have been attending 12 steps recovery support groups meetings: AA, NA, SLA and AAA (All Addiction Anonymous) for three years, but the identification and emotions evoked I experience here are far stronger.I had imagined and believed in neuroplasticity and was sceptical when they say depression is hereditary, without me having much background knowledge. I don't care whether "cure/d or curable" you mentioned is scientifically proven, I am just inspired to prove it on myself.One therapist told me I was looking for love at all the wrong places, now "looking for cure at all the wrong places" sounds more realistic.Thanks Kv, for this sharing.TC> >> > Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it> helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address> of the blog you run? Wanda> >>

[Guest guest]

I have been attending 12 steps recovery support groups meetings: AA, NA, SLA and AAA (All Addiction Anonymous) for three years, but the identification and emotions evoked I experience here are far stronger.I had imagined and believed in neuroplasticity and was sceptical when they say depression is hereditary, without me having much background knowledge. I don't care whether "cure/d or curable" you mentioned is scientifically proven, I am just inspired to prove it on myself.One therapist told me I was looking for love at all the wrong places, now "looking for cure at all the wrong places" sounds more realistic.Thanks Kv, for this sharing.TC> >> > Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it> helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address> of the blog you run? Wanda> >>

[Guest guest]

Kaivey,I don't want to argue with you Kaivey.  I really don't understand what your point is so I wouldn't even know what we would be arguing about.  Would we argue that you are brain damage due to drugs?  Or due to your chronic unhappiness and general malaise?  You seem to have changed your story lately.   I don't really know and not interested.

I'm interested in ACT.  You don't really contribute much to that except by giving an example of someone with psychology inflexibility and how you will stay that way with all your chatter and noise and book burning and links to articles that somehow show how you are brain damaged.

I've had enough.  I want you off this list.  Do you know how to go to yahoo groups and manage your groups and leave this group?  Please do me a favor and leave this group.

 

I feel a bit guilty about writing this very revealing post now, but I doubt if anyone will find out who I am. I think I wrote it to explain why I am so zealous, determined, and very single minded. I don't debate my views with anyone, which is one of the resaons why I very seldom reply to other people's posts. I know what is truth  for me and that is that.

Anyway, I forget to mention the work Professor Reueven Freuestein who helps badly brain damaged children, and adults, by bringing them back to normal intelligence, afterwhich they can go on to live very much normal lives. He even helps Down's syndrone children get back to IQ. He's a really big hero of mine. He was demonstratring in the 60's that the brain was neuroplastic which could renew and grow.

Feuerstein says it is his outlook on life that has led to his achievements. " If you have two alternatives, don't make the pessimistic choice. Always choose like an optimist. At least that will bring you to action, to test the waters. If you take the pessimistic route, you'll never accomplish anything. Even if you don't think you'll reach the highest levels, you still have to try to climb up. "

http://www.aish.com/jw/id/48914587.html

http://www.scel.org/aboutus/feuerstein.asp

Kv

> >

> > Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it> helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address> of the blog you run? Wanda> >>

[Guest guest]

Kaivey,I don't want to argue with you Kaivey.  I really don't understand what your point is so I wouldn't even know what we would be arguing about.  Would we argue that you are brain damage due to drugs?  Or due to your chronic unhappiness and general malaise?  You seem to have changed your story lately.   I don't really know and not interested.

I'm interested in ACT.  You don't really contribute much to that except by giving an example of someone with psychology inflexibility and how you will stay that way with all your chatter and noise and book burning and links to articles that somehow show how you are brain damaged.

I've had enough.  I want you off this list.  Do you know how to go to yahoo groups and manage your groups and leave this group?  Please do me a favor and leave this group.

 

I feel a bit guilty about writing this very revealing post now, but I doubt if anyone will find out who I am. I think I wrote it to explain why I am so zealous, determined, and very single minded. I don't debate my views with anyone, which is one of the resaons why I very seldom reply to other people's posts. I know what is truth  for me and that is that.

Anyway, I forget to mention the work Professor Reueven Freuestein who helps badly brain damaged children, and adults, by bringing them back to normal intelligence, afterwhich they can go on to live very much normal lives. He even helps Down's syndrone children get back to IQ. He's a really big hero of mine. He was demonstratring in the 60's that the brain was neuroplastic which could renew and grow.

Feuerstein says it is his outlook on life that has led to his achievements. " If you have two alternatives, don't make the pessimistic choice. Always choose like an optimist. At least that will bring you to action, to test the waters. If you take the pessimistic route, you'll never accomplish anything. Even if you don't think you'll reach the highest levels, you still have to try to climb up. "

http://www.aish.com/jw/id/48914587.html

http://www.scel.org/aboutus/feuerstein.asp

Kv

> >

> > Hi Kaivey, I really appreciate your posting information you find, it> helps me alot. And some more about you when you can. what is the address> of the blog you run? Wanda> >>