Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

[Guest guest]

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies. Some of those effect sizes are just enormous. I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to: (i) 'regression to the mean': people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and (ii) acquiescence (?): after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal. I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured? x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

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Hi all,Attached are three PDFs. I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.

[Guest guest]

That's not much different to me, . In fact, I would say thay my ACT

has become what I have always done as it seemed to fit in so well with

it - just keep on tracking regardless of how I feel and hope one day it

improves. But the final part of that sentence means that I am not

accepting. Gulp! I don't know if I can accept this forever, I'm not that

tough.

Anyway my gutar palying keeps improving and I keep getting better at my

job now going deep into the technical side. Also, my relationship with

my girlfriend has blossomed and that's really nice. Hmmm, sounds like

things are improving then, except I have always thought this for the

last 30 years as I was always putting in so much effert (like I do now)

that I thought I would soon be better. I also got a mortgage for a nice

flat, and after that I bought a house. During this period I did loads

of college courses and wanted to be a scientist so studied real hard at

science and maths. On and on i went up the treadmill with absolute shear

will power and determination with no flinching and definately no

pessimism. And no stopping when it gets painful.

Not completing my physics degree I went in a new direction going a bit

spiritual, mainly because the girls were lovely at my local buddhist

centre and they were also gorgeous at the evangelical church I attended

at the same time. I didn't really like either of these religeons much

but I became filled with mystery, the true self, the spirit within, the

collective unconscious, jungian psycholgy, and then eventually,

Quakerism - the only place I ever fiited in, really. I got deelpy

involved with the Quakers and was on many commitees and I did get to

feel that I was valued. Then after that I became obssessed with dancing

meeting loads of gorgeous women and geting some really nice girlfriends,

but then I got PSSD - f*ck it! So, I've always got something on the go.

Oh well, best get back to my piano lessens right now. I'm going to make

some fantastic music one day. You bet.

But I'm so tired!

Kv

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several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they

seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on

test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that

perhaps they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation

about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and

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this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking

to a therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my

life using my own reasoning. Â So instead of living my life

according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use

that to live my life.

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[Guest guest]

Yes. And when all is said and done, and the dross of our everyday experience dissolves and we are left with only our selves, that's the time to mine for little nuggets of wisdom that may slide away in the slipstream of the incessant chatter that we've come to accept as reality through its sheer repetition.On occasions too numerous, I think, say and do stupid things, yet I am not stupid, except for rendering myself so via all the usual means.As the drunk said to the ugly person, "Tomorrow I'll be sober."If I may, I'd like to add a rider 's aphorism -- "Love and intent are the only things."Regards,Detlef> > > > > >[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below] > >Hi all,> >> >Attached are three PDFs. > >> >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies. > >> >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

These are all superb therapies and I have every faith that ACT, or CBT,

will eventually start to help when my chroinc tension and terror

subsides a bit. Besides, I probably need professional in the state that

I am in, but alas, I can't afford it. Still, I have 12 weeks or more if

needed of CBT coming up very soon on the NHS, with more intensive

pychotherapy lasting up to a year or more if I need it. There's a long

waiting list for these, though.

Who knows the CBT might actually really turn things around. But I have

always had a lot of faith in mindfulness and mindfulness based therapies

so these will eventually take over in the long run. That's my plan

anyway.

Kv

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> > >Attached are three PDFs.

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> > >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of

> ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked

at

> several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem

> similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

> Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on

> test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps

> they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all

> therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I

> have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

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> > >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try

> to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on

> ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a

> therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life

> using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according

> ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

incorporate

> parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live

my

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