Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

[Guest guest]

Very good points, !

 

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies.  Some of those effect sizes are just enormous.  I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to:

 (i) 'regression to the mean':  people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and  (ii) acquiescence (?):  after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal.

 I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured?  x  

  

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

 

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax:

Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page:  http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

Hi all,Attached are three PDFs.  I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this.  I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety.  It's seems they are all work.  Interesting that perhaps they work differently.  I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT.  And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies. 

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment?  In it he states " Have courage to use your own reason! " .   This is something I try to do.  Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive.  Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning.   So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.

[Guest guest]

Be careful of what minds do with information about others.The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. The best use of knowledge like this is tosupport a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinkypath that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this: " The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused onthe valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected. "  I think the ACT literature shows that --I literally could trot out 100-200 studies over 30 years that show it

and almost without a single sour empirical note.When combined with the deeper wisdom of our own experienceknowledge like that is important because is give each of us a path to follow.

I try every day to get a bit stronger in myability to follow it. It is a life journey. I'll never be done.I'll never be fixed. I am sometime ashamed at how slow my progress is ...

ACT is 30 years old this year and I'm still stumbling along,hiding, avoiding, going numb, being mindless. And then I kiss mywife and hug my kids and look at what we can do to improve the world

and I'm taking a tiny little step forward.Life  ... back to the intellectual question for the geeks out therewho are interested

With credible control groups regression to the mean can't be the explanation. The best studies use blind assessors and create a firewall betweenthe data and the therapists ... and the patients know that.

So you are being interviewed by a stranger and what you say isconfidential and will never be known by your therapist.It does not eliminate the worry of social demand to improve ...but especially if you find differences between active treatments

and you check on credibility etcyou have a real hard time explaining the differences that wayAnd sometimes there are measures you can't fake(e.g., oral swabs in drug studies; records of medical visits in pain studies)

Some of the effects are as you say ... and the weaker the design themore that is likely. - S C. Foundation Professor

Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

Huffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: 

http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

Very good points, !

 

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies.  Some of those effect sizes are just enormous.  I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to:

 (i) 'regression to the mean':  people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and  (ii) acquiescence (?):  after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal.

 I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured?  x  

  

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

 

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax:

Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page:  http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

Hi all,Attached are three PDFs.  I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this.  I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety.  It's seems they are all work.  Interesting that perhaps they work differently.  I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT.  And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies. 

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment?  In it he states " Have courage to use your own reason! " .   This is something I try to do.  Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive.  Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning.   So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.

[Guest guest]

I could never tough it out, either, KV. There an old saw from somewhere that compares an oak in the wind to a bamboo, and notes that's the bamboo does not break because it does not resist the wind, but rather bends with it. That's the route for me: acceptance and swaying with the prevailing wind. My mind has even come to accept this, I think, as it now seems less pushy about delivering emotionally-driven messages. Or maybe it just needs less energy to get its survival concerns through because I have fewer walls and controls going on...?

Much of your post speaks of valued change, and resonates with me because you seem to be recognizing change for what it is rather than for what your controlling mind has so long demanded it be. How cool does that feel!?  

DOn Friday, July 13, 2012, Kaivey wrote:

 

That's not much different to me, . In fact, I would say thay my ACThas become what I have always done as it seemed to fit in so well withit - just keep on tracking regardless of how I feel and hope one day it

improves. But the final part of that sentence means that I am notaccepting. Gulp! I don't know if I can accept this forever, I'm not thattough.Anyway my gutar palying keeps improving and I keep getting better at my

job now going deep into the technical side. Also, my relationship withmy girlfriend has blossomed and that's really nice. Hmmm, sounds likethings are improving then, except I have always thought this for the

last 30 years as I was always putting in so much effert (like I do now)that I thought I would soon be better. I also got a mortgage for a niceflat, and after that I bought a house. During this period I did loads

of college courses and wanted to be a scientist so studied real hard atscience and maths. On and on i went up the treadmill with absolute shearwill power and determination with no flinching and definately nopessimism. And no stopping when it gets painful.

Not completing my physics degree I went in a new direction going a bitspiritual, mainly because the girls were lovely at my local buddhistcentre and they were also gorgeous at the evangelical church I attended

at the same time. I didn't really like either of these religeons muchbut I became filled with mystery, the true self, the spirit within, thecollective unconscious, jungian psycholgy, and then eventually,Quakerism - the only place I ever fiited in, really. I got deelpy

involved with the Quakers and was on many commitees and I did get tofeel that I was valued. Then after that I became obssessed with dancingmeeting loads of gorgeous women and geting some really nice girlfriends,

but then I got PSSD - f*ck it! So, I've always got something on the go.Oh well, best get back to my piano lessens right now. I'm going to makesome fantastic music one day. You bet.But I'm so tired!

Kv>> Very impressive and encouraging.

> Â> I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements peoplereport in these sorts of studies. Some of those effect sizes arejust enormous. I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for

both ACT and CBT) are down to:> Â> (i) 'regression to the mean':Â people are treated when they are atan acute phase, and tend to remit naturally;Â and> Â> (ii) acquiescence (?):Â after therapy, you really want to say that

you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is areally nice girl / gal.> Â> I ask this only since some might question why - if people seem toreport such immense improvements from therapy -Â then why have I not

been cured?>  

 

 

> x

-- Darrell G King, RN, CASAC-TRochester, NY, UShttp://darrellking.comDarrellGKing@...

[Guest guest]

Thanks , that's helpful. The study you posted didn't seem to have a "no-therapy" control group, but no doubt many others do. x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13 July 2012, 19:06 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

Be careful of what minds do with information about others.The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. The best use of knowledge like this is tosupport a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinkypath that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this:"The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused onthe valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected." I think the ACT literature shows that --I literally could trot out 100-200 studies over 30 years that show it

and almost without a single sour empirical note.When combined with the deeper wisdom of our own experienceknowledge like that is important because is give each of us a path to follow.

I try every day to get a bit stronger in myability to follow it. It is a life journey. I'll never be done.I'll never be fixed. I am sometime ashamed at how slow my progress is ...

ACT is 30 years old this year and I'm still stumbling along,hiding, avoiding, going numb, being mindless. And then I kiss mywife and hug my kids and look at what we can do to improve the world

and I'm taking a tiny little step forward.Life ... back to the intellectual question for the geeks out therewho are interested

With credible control groups regression to the mean can't be the explanation. The best studies use blind assessors and create a firewall betweenthe data and the therapists ... and the patients know that.

So you are being interviewed by a stranger and what you say isconfidential and will never be known by your therapist.It does not eliminate the worry of social demand to improve ...but especially if you find differences between active treatments

and you check on credibility etcyou have a real hard time explaining the differences that wayAnd sometimes there are measures you can't fake(e.g., oral swabs in drug studies; records of medical visits in pain studies)

Some of the effects are as you say ... and the weaker the design themore that is likely. - S C. Foundation Professor

Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be): Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page:

http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

Very good points, !

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies. Some of those effect sizes are just enormous. I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to:

(i) 'regression to the mean': people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and (ii) acquiescence (?): after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal.

I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured? x

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062"Love isn't everything, it's the only thing"

hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax:

Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., "Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life" etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

Hi all,Attached are three PDFs. I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.

[Guest guest]

From what has posted recently, there is really not much to choose between conventional and new wave CBT in terms of the evidence of efficacy. You can always run the CBT phraseology through your mental thesaurus to get at an ACT-consistent term for the same sort of processes. I think it will help. Besides, another ACTor reminded me recently that it is the relationship between the therapist and patient that is key, regardless of what approach is used (as long as it's evidence-based). All roads lead to Rome. My wait for NHS treatment is down to three months (having already waited 10!!!!) and counting. As I mentioned before, I feel that things have got

bad enough that I need to get something private arranged before then, and so I am raiding the piggy bank!!! As if our lives are not paralleled enough, I also got out my guitar from the loft the other day (I saw your other post). I am starting again trying to learn. Even bought some new strings. As long as I can remember how to play That's Entertainment (with all of four chords!!) I will be happy!!! Good luck x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 20:27 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

These are all superb therapies and I have every faith that ACT, or CBT,

will eventually start to help when my chroinc tension and terror

subsides a bit. Besides, I probably need professional in the state that

I am in, but alas, I can't afford it. Still, I have 12 weeks or more if

needed of CBT coming up very soon on the NHS, with more intensive

pychotherapy lasting up to a year or more if I need it. There's a long

waiting list for these, though.

Who knows the CBT might actually really turn things around. But I have

always had a lot of faith in mindfulness and mindfulness based therapies

so these will eventually take over in the long run. That's my plan

anyway.

Kv

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> > >[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

> > >Hi all,

> > >

> > >Attached are three PDFs.

> > >

> > >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of

> ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked

at

> several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem

> similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

> Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on

> test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps

> they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all

> therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I

> have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

> > >

> > >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try

> to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on

> ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a

> therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life

> using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according

> ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

incorporate

> parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live

my

> life.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Do you know, , I was never much of a Jam fan and yet That's

Entertainment was always one of my favourite tracks. It's all acoustic

guitar and it is mystical and beautiful. It looks like you are able to

play a bit of guitar already, but my mistake was to completely believe

that I would never be any good at it as only gifted people can play a

musical instrument. Well, one day I stopped listening to my assumptions

and seriously started to work at the guitar. Sometimes I might take

months, or years even, to learn some scales/lead guitar, and complicated

cord changes, but I never gave up and it payed off in the end. The

double A 'B flat' with two bars (two fingers used as bars) can take even

a gifted person up to two years to master (you have to become a bit

double jointed with your LH index finger). Also, it is very easy to

develop repitive strain - as I did once - but by doing only 30 minute

sessions several times a day I have built up a lot of strength.

To be able to play a musical instrument is an amazing thing, and it is

high on my list of values.

Best of luck, , with the therapy and the guitar.

Kv

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

> > > >Hi all,

> > > >

> > > >Attached are three PDFs.

> > > >

> > > >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy

of

> > ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked

> at

> > several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they

seem

> > similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

> > Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on

> > test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps

> > they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all

> > therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I

> > have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

> > > >

> > > >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> > states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I

try

> > to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on

> > ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a

> > therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life

> > using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according

> > ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

> incorporate

> > parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to

live

> my

> > life.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It's nice when there is no-one else in the house, and I can spent half an hour trying to learn a tune. I play it on Spotify, look up the chords / tabs, and just practice over and over until I feel happy. But I am such a fickle person, and am easily frustrated. I remember the last time my guitar was put into storage - it was when I couldn't manage a B Chord (still can't). I was desperate to learn Waterloo Sunset, and it just made me feel hopeless that I couldn't manage it. This time I will persevere. (And if I still can't do it, I'll bloody retune my guitar so I can play a B without the barre!!!!) x To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012, 14:17 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

Do you know, , I was never much of a Jam fan and yet That's

Entertainment was always one of my favourite tracks. It's all acoustic

guitar and it is mystical and beautiful. It looks like you are able to

play a bit of guitar already, but my mistake was to completely believe

that I would never be any good at it as only gifted people can play a

musical instrument. Well, one day I stopped listening to my assumptions

and seriously started to work at the guitar. Sometimes I might take

months, or years even, to learn some scales/lead guitar, and complicated

cord changes, but I never gave up and it payed off in the end. The

double A 'B flat' with two bars (two fingers used as bars) can take even

a gifted person up to two years to master (you have to become a bit

double jointed with your LH index finger). Also, it is very easy to

develop repitive strain - as I did once - but by doing only 30 minute

sessions several times a day I have built up a lot of strength.

To be able to play a musical instrument is an amazing thing, and it is

high on my list of values.

Best of luck, , with the therapy and the guitar.

Kv

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

> > > >Hi all,

> > > >

> > > >Attached are three PDFs.

> > > >

> > > >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy

of

> > ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked

> at

> > several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they

seem

> > similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

> > Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on

> > test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps

> > they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all

> > therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I

> > have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

> > > >

> > > >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> > states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I

try

> > to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on

> > ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a

> > therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life

> > using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according

> > ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

> incorporate

> > parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to

live

> my

> > life.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm very fickle too, and in fact for years I would put the guitar down

in frustration believing that this was never going to be for me and not

then play for months or even years. But I found out it was my belief

that I would never be able to play that was holding me back. Anyway, I

may well spend many months, if not years, on certain difficult chord

patterns and scales, but I'm coming to believe that it is not always

inherent ability that makes a good muscician, but that rather it is that

rare trait of determination and really wanting to play that brings

things about. Working away at very difficult scales and chords will turn

me from an average muscian into a good one, I reckon, but such slow

progress can to be very painful and frustrating. I apply the same

determination to my own life too, and bit by bit, things slowly

improving.

But don't listen to me as everyone needs to find there own way of doing

things, and my way has brought me a lot of grief, distress, and anxiety.

My fingertips used to be red raw and my fingernails are now much shorter

on my left hand. I also found some chords so difficult to play that I

would even used my fingernails to hold the chords down which wore big

groooves in them which could be agony. Sometimes this would would even

split my fingernails away from my fingers tips causing even much

discomfort. And as a result my GAD went berzerk but now my fingers have

adjusted and there are no more pain or problems anymore. I am now

learning to play different chords using different parts of my fingertips

so that no particular groove on my fingertips can predominate. It's hard

work but fulfilling, and things are starting to happen.

Kv

Kv

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

> > > > >Hi all,

> > > > >

> > > > >Attached are three PDFs.

> > > > >

> > > > >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the

efficacy

> of

> > > ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've

looked

> > at

> > > several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they

> seem

> > > similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

> > > Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT

on

> > > test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that

perhaps

> > > they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all

> > > therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And

I

> > > have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

> > > > >

> > > > >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it

he

> > > states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I

> try

> > > to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on

> > > ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a

> > > therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my

life

> > > using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according

> > > ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

> > incorporate

> > > parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to

> live

> > my

> > > life.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Happy 30th Anniversary>> Be careful of what minds do with information about others.> > The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison> (it is the essence because without comparison we can do> mental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast> because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat> ourselves with.> > The best use of knowledge like this is to> support a personally relevant path that you know in the> wiser part of you is so -- not to> climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinky> path that created the problem to begin with)> Something more this this:> "The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life> the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am more> open, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused on> the valued qualities of what I do and less on what> someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and more> connected."> > I think the ACT literature shows that --> I literally could trot out 100-200 studies over 30 years that show it> and almost without a single sour empirical note.> When combined with the deeper wisdom of our own experience> knowledge like that is important because is give each of us a path to> follow.> > I try every day to get a bit stronger in my> ability to follow it. It is a life journey. I'll never be done.> I'll never be fixed. I am sometime ashamed at how slow my progress is ...> ACT is 30 years old this year and I'm still stumbling along,> hiding, avoiding, going numb, being mindless. And then I kiss my> wife and hug my kids and look at what we can do to improve the world> and I'm taking a tiny little step forward.> > Life> > ...

[Guest guest]

It interesting that you guys have this long waiting list to see professional.  I can get in right away if I need to.   Even same day.  And cost to me - $0.  And even times when I had no insurance or just minimal insurance through a college, I had very low cost access to professionals.

This is in the USA.

 

From what has posted recently, there is really not much to choose between conventional and new wave CBT in terms of the evidence of efficacy.  You can always run the CBT phraseology through your mental thesaurus to get at an ACT-consistent term for the same sort of processes.  I think it will help.

 Besides, another ACTor reminded me recently that it is the relationship between the therapist and patient that is key, regardless of what approach is used (as long as it's evidence-based).

 All roads lead to Rome. My wait for NHS treatment is down to three months (having already waited 10!!!!) and counting.  As I mentioned before, I feel that things have got

bad enough that I need to get something private arranged before then, and so I am raiding the piggy bank!!! As if our lives are not paralleled enough, I also got out my guitar from the loft the other day (I saw your other post).  I am starting again trying to learn.  Even bought some new strings.  As long as I can remember how to play That's Entertainment (with all of four chords!!) I will be happy!!!

 Good luck  x

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 20:27

Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

 

These are all superb therapies and I have every faith that ACT, or CBT,

will eventually start to help when my chroinc tension and terror

subsides a bit. Besides, I probably need professional in the state that

I am in, but alas, I can't afford it. Still, I have 12 weeks or more if

needed of CBT coming up very soon on the NHS, with more intensive

pychotherapy lasting up to a year or more if I need it. There's a long

waiting list for these, though.

Who knows the CBT might actually really turn things around. But I have

always had a lot of faith in mindfulness and mindfulness based therapies

so these will eventually take over in the long run. That's my plan

anyway.

Kv

> >

> >

> > >

> > >[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

> > >Hi all,

> > >

> > >Attached are three PDFs.

> > >

> > >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of

> ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked

at

> several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem

> similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

> Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on

> test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps

> they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all

> therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I

> have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

> > >

> > >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try

> to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on

> ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a

> therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life

> using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according

> ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

incorporate

> parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live

my

> life.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

wrote: " The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. " Just this paragraph was very helpful to me.

 

Be careful of what minds do with information about others.The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. The best use of knowledge like this is tosupport a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinkypath that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this: " The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused onthe valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected. "  I think the ACT literature shows that --I literally could trot out 100-200 studies over 30 years that show it

and almost without a single sour empirical note.When combined with the deeper wisdom of our own experienceknowledge like that is important because is give each of us a path to follow.

I try every day to get a bit stronger in myability to follow it. It is a life journey. I'll never be done.I'll never be fixed. I am sometime ashamed at how slow my progress is ...

ACT is 30 years old this year and I'm still stumbling along,hiding, avoiding, going numb, being mindless. And then I kiss mywife and hug my kids and look at what we can do to improve the world

and I'm taking a tiny little step forward.Life  ... back to the intellectual question for the geeks out therewho are interested

With credible control groups regression to the mean can't be the explanation. The best studies use blind assessors and create a firewall betweenthe data and the therapists ... and the patients know that.

So you are being interviewed by a stranger and what you say isconfidential and will never be known by your therapist.It does not eliminate the worry of social demand to improve ...but especially if you find differences between active treatments

and you check on credibility etcyou have a real hard time explaining the differences that wayAnd sometimes there are measures you can't fake(e.g., oral swabs in drug studies; records of medical visits in pain studies)

Some of the effects are as you say ... and the weaker the design themore that is likely. - S C. Foundation Professor

Department of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing " hayes@... or stevenchayes@...

Fax: Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mind

Huffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phdIf you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page: 

http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayesor you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): www.contextualpsychology.org. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

Very good points, !

 

Very impressive and encouraging. I'm always amazed by the sheer scale of the improvements people report in these sorts of studies.  Some of those effect sizes are just enormous.  I wonder what proportion of those improvements (for both ACT and CBT) are down to:

 (i) 'regression to the mean':  people are treated when they are at an acute phase, and tend to remit naturally; and  (ii) acquiescence (?):  after therapy, you really want to say that you are feeling better, to repay the efforts of your therapist, who is a really nice girl / gal.

 I ask this only since some might question

why - if people seem to report such immense improvements from therapy - then why have I not been cured?  x  

  

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Friday, 13

July 2012, 0:44 Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason [1 Attachment]

 

This is the biggest and best controlled comparison of ACT and traditional CBTyet conducted. These articles are hard reads for normal folks but the bottom like is that ACT (including values-based exposure --

which list readers know I recommend regularly anyway)did somewhat better than best of breed CBT for a range of anxiety disorders.It was done by a team at UCLA that is very well known in the CBT community

and many of the CBT methods they used are ones they had a big role indeveloping and testing historically so this was not a rigged comparison.In fact Craske & crew deserves credit for courage and integrity in publishing these data

- S C. Foundation ProfessorDepartment of Psychology /298University of NevadaReno, NV 89557-0062 " Love isn't everything, it's the only thing "

hayes@... or stevenchayes@...Fax:

Psych Department: Contextual Change (you can use this number for messages if need be):

Blogs: Psychology Today  http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/get-out-your-mindHuffington Post  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-c-hayes-phd

If you want my vita, publications, PowerPoint slides, try my training page:  http://contextualpsychology.org/steve_hayes

or you can try my website (it is semi-functional) stevenchayes.com

If you have any questions about ACT or RFT (articles, AAQ information etc), please first check the vast resources at website of the Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS): http://www.contextualpsychology.org/. You have to register on the site to download things, but the cost is up to your own values.

If you are a professional or student and want to be part of the world wide ACT discussion or RFT discussions, join the ACT list: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy/join

or the RFT list:http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/relationalframetheory/joinIf you are a member of the public reading ACT self-help books (e.g., " Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life " etc) and want to be part of that conversation go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ACT_for_the_Public/join

 

[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

Hi all,Attached are three PDFs.  I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several papers on this.  I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety.  It's seems they are all work.  Interesting that perhaps they work differently.  I have quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT.  And I have a little bit of skepticism about the studies. 

The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment?  In it he states " Have courage to use your own reason! " .   This is something I try to do.  Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter productive.  Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning.   So instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live my life.

[Guest guest]

Access to low cost mental health professional help varies widely in the U.S. depending largely on the resources of your community, city, state. And then there is the number of good low fee therapists...also varies tremendously and truly a crap shoot.I was lucky in college to strike gold with a fantastic therapist at Jewish Family Services. When he left (completed Ph.D)...not so lucky. The next therapist at same clinic was horrible.And so it goes.

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

It interesting that you guys have this long waiting list to see professional. I can get in right away if I need to. Even same day. And cost to me - $0. And even times when I had no insurance or just minimal insurance through a college, I had very low cost access to professionals.

This is in the USA.

From what has posted recently, there is really not much to choose between conventional and new wave CBT in terms of the evidence of efficacy. You can always run the CBT phraseology through your mental thesaurus to get at an ACT-consistent term for the same sort of processes. I think it will help.

Besides, another ACTor reminded me recently that it is the relationship between the therapist and patient that is key, regardless of what approach is used (as long as it's evidence-based).

All roads lead to Rome. My wait for NHS treatment is down to three months (having already waited 10!!!!) and counting. As I mentioned before, I feel that things have got

bad enough that I need to get something private arranged before then, and so I am raiding the piggy bank!!! As if our lives are not paralleled enough, I also got out my guitar from the loft the other day (I saw your other post). I am starting again trying to learn. Even bought some new strings. As long as I can remember how to play That's Entertainment (with all of four chords!!) I will be happy!!!

Good luck x

To: ACT_for_the_Public Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012, 20:27

Subject: Re: Efficacy of Therapies and Courage to Use Your Own Reason

These are all superb therapies and I have every faith that ACT, or CBT,

will eventually start to help when my chroinc tension and terror

subsides a bit. Besides, I probably need professional in the state that

I am in, but alas, I can't afford it. Still, I have 12 weeks or more if

needed of CBT coming up very soon on the NHS, with more intensive

pychotherapy lasting up to a year or more if I need it. There's a long

waiting list for these, though.

Who knows the CBT might actually really turn things around. But I have

always had a lot of faith in mindfulness and mindfulness based therapies

so these will eventually take over in the long run. That's my plan

anyway.

Kv

> >

> >

> > >

> > >[Attachment(s) from Bauer included below]

> > >Hi all,

> > >

> > >Attached are three PDFs.

> > >

> > >I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of

> ACT and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked

at

> several papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem

> similar in a way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic

> Desensitization on math anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on

> test anxiety. It's seems they are all work. Interesting that perhaps

> they work differently. I have quite a bit of reservation about all

> therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd waves and CBT and REBT. And I

> have a little bit of skepticism about the studies.

> > >

> > >The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> states "Have courage to use your own reason!". This is something I try

> to do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on

> ACT/FC/RFT or reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a

> therapist can be counter productive. Better to act and live my life

> using my own reasoning. So instead of living my life according

> ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I learned in ACT/FC/RFT and

incorporate

> parts of it into my own reasoning and philosophy and use that to live

my

> life.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a

hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing

prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff.

terry

> >>>

> >>> **

> >>>

> >>>

[Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from

Bauer included below]

> >>> Hi all,

> >>>

> >>> Attached are three PDFs.

> >>>

> >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT

> >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at

several

> >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in

a

> >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math

> >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems

they

> >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have

> >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other

3rd

> >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the

> >>> studies.

> >>>

> >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try

to

> >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or

> >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be

counter

> >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So

> >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I

> >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning

and

> >>> philosophy and use that to live my life.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Actually not just that one paragraph but the one following that too.So the two together:The very essence of our normal mode of mind is comparison

(it is the essence because without comparison we can domental problem solving). So knowledge can feed the beast

because knowledge of benefits for others turn into hammers to beat ourselves with. 

The best use of knowledge like this is to

support a personally relevant path that you know in the

wiser part of you is so -- not to climb into comparison (which is on the same old stinky

path that created the problem to begin with)Something more this this:

" The studies show that the more open, aware, and engaged I am in life

the better I will do. And by golly I see that in myself too. When I am moreopen, less entangled, kinder to myself, more aware, more focused on

the valued qualities of what I do and less on what

someone or something is going to give me, I am more me, more alive, and moreconnected. "

 

I felt the same way, . It seems like almost anything can turn into a hammer to beat ourselves up with. Comparison game is especially a losing prospect and so insidious. I'm so glad Steve and others keep outing this stuff.

terry

> >>>

> >>> **

> >>>

> >>> [Attachment(s)<http://uk.mg41.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#1387ce7da951715a_TopText>from Bauer included below]

> >>> Hi all,

> >>>

> >>> Attached are three PDFs.

> >>>

> >>> I've been thinking the past few hours about what is the efficacy of ACT

> >>> and REBT and other therapies on different things and I've looked at several

> >>> papers on this. I attached two studies here because they seem similar in a

> >>> way and about the efficacy of ACT, Systematic Desensitization on math

> >>> anxiety and one paper on efficacy of REBT on test anxiety. It's seems they

> >>> are all work. Interesting that perhaps they work differently. I have

> >>> quite a bit of reservation about all therapies, not just ACT, but other 3rd

> >>> waves and CBT and REBT. And I have a little bit of skepticism about the

> >>> studies.

> >>>

> >>> The other PDF attached is Kant on What is Enlightenment? In it he

> >>> states " Have courage to use your own reason! " . This is something I try to

> >>> do. Spending too much time in conversation on this list on ACT/FC/RFT or

> >>> reading and studying the ACT books or talking to a therapist can be counter

> >>> productive. Better to act and live my life using my own reasoning. So

> >>> instead of living my life according ACT/FC/RFT, I want to take what I

> >>> learned in ACT/FC/RFT and incorporate parts of it into my own reasoning and

> >>> philosophy and use that to live my life.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

>