Guest guest Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? From: hbbr ; To: ACT <act_for_the_public >; Subject: Feeling "Less Than" Sent: Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling " less than " ! Helena Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the " victim " role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt " less-than " are the gems of my life, because I survived. http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 This is an inspiring story. I am new to the list and have begun reading posts to get a feel for what it is like. I appreciate the openness of the sharing. I have suffered from depression anxiety since 1992 and probably before, but it was not diagnosed. I have been on many different meds, some of which worked for awhile. At the end of last year, I decided I needed to delve into my past and to face any of my demons which might surface and the related pain and fear. So I started the ACT workbook. I am almost finished now and have been sucessful in applying many of the techniques. During this period, however, something happened in my life that caused a demon to surface which I cannot seem to escape. It haunts me. The repetitive, obsessive thougths of the event keep coming back. Mostly I manage it using techniques from ACT and others I have learned, but often it seems to get the better of me and controls my mind. Even though I have suffered a long time with depression and anxiety, it is only within the last couple of years that these obsessive thoughts have attacked me and this latter one has been the worse.I use defusion and other techniques from ACT, but sometimes the thoughts are overwhelming and the techniques seem ineffective.Has anyone else experienced something similar.Thanks. Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? From: hbbr ; To: ACT <act_for_the_public >; Subject: Feeling "Less Than" Sent: Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling "less than"! HelenaExcerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the "victim" role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt "less-than" are the gems of my life, because I survived. http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 -Hi PhilipThis particular obsessive thought-I wonder are you trying to get rid of it because if you are it will just keep coming back. You have to be prepared to accept it when it comes while at the same time proceeding with value activity. That is the only way of dealing with it being with it for as long as it is there. Congratulations on having made so much progress with your problems. Best wishes from your friend FrancisCC: hbbr@...To: ACT_for_the_Public From: phillipthomason@...Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:02:34 +0100Subject: Re: Feeling "Less Than" This is an inspiring story. I am new to the list and have begun reading posts to get a feel for what it is like. I appreciate the openness of the sharing. I have suffered from depression anxiety since 1992 and probably before, but it was not diagnosed. I have been on many different meds, some of which worked for awhile. At the end of last year, I decided I needed to delve into my past and to face any of my demons which might surface and the related pain and fear. So I started the ACT workbook. I am almost finished now and have been sucessful in applying many of the techniques. During this period, however, something happened in my life that caused a demon to surface which I cannot seem to escape. It haunts me. The repetitive, obsessive thougths of the event keep coming back. Mostly I manage it using techniques from ACT and others I have learned, but often it seems to get the better of me and controls my mind. Even though I have suffered a long time with depression and anxiety, it is only within the last couple of years that these obsessive thoughts have attacked me and this latter one has been the worse.I use defusion and other techniques from ACT, but sometimes the thoughts are overwhelming and the techniques seem ineffective.Has anyone else experienced something similar.Thanks. Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? From: hbbr ; To: ACT <act_for_the_public >; Subject: Feeling "Less Than" Sent: Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling "less than"! HelenaExcerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the "victim" role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt "less-than" are the gems of my life, because I survived. http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Hi Francis, Thank you for your reply and your insights. It is like my mind is in a battle—I do want to get rid of it (the thought)and the related pain, and, yet, I know that I need to accept it. I have just begun to absorb the techniques in ACT and have much, more work to do in this area, as well as others. I appreciate your note. Sincerely, Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? > > > > > > > > > > From: > > hbbr ; > > > To: > > ACT <act_for_the_public >; > > > Subject: > > Feeling " Less Than " > > > Sent: > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling " less than " ! > Helena > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the " victim " role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt " less-than " are the gems of my life, because I survived. > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 wow, I am confused I am suppose to accept that I feel less that- I htought the idea was take action so I wouldnt think that no more. Or it to take action even thought that belief has changed? Or is it with every action against that thought , it will get less then less. Lin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > hbbr <hbbr@>; > > > > > > To: > > > > ACT <act_for_the_public >; > > > > > > Subject: > > > > Feeling " Less Than " > > > > > > Sent: > > > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling " less than " ! > > Helena > > > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the " victim " role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt " less-than " are the gems of my life, because I survived. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Since you can't make the feeling of being less than go away, and trying to get rid of it will only reinforce it, your only choice is to let such thoughts be there; i.e., accept their presence - which does not mean accepting their content as truth. You may even occasionally have negative thoughts that are true, but even such thoughts can be accepted as truth without your buying into them as a reflection of your worth; as humans, we all make mistakes. Your mind will most likely go on dishing out negative thoughts for the rest of your life. My mind tells me every day: "Helena, you are inadequate, you are unworthy, you are less than ...". My mind has been telling me that for decades and probably always will. I can't get rid of those thoughts, but I can make room for them without buying into them or allowing them to dictate my life and my actions. So ... I smile, thank my mind for dishing out such crap, and go do something toward my values. Taking action will not magically remove the thoughts or get rid of them. Taking action merely allows you to live a worthwhile life in spite of those thoughts. In time, they may or may not lesson or go away, but that is not the goal.HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:33:29 AMSubject: Re: Feeling "Less Than" wow, I am confused I am suppose to accept that I feel less that- I htought the idea was take action so I wouldnt think that no more. Or it to take action even thought that belief has changed? Or is it with every action against that thought , it will get less then less. Lin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > hbbr <hbbr@>; > > > > > > To: > > > > ACT <act_for_the_public >; > > > > > > Subject: > > > > Feeling "Less Than" > > > > > > Sent: > > > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling "less than"! > > Helena > > > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the "victim" role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt "less-than" are the gems of my life, because I survived. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Good explanation. Thanks! Since you can't make the feeling of being less than go away, and trying to get rid of it will only reinforce it, your only choice is to let such thoughts be there; i.e., accept their presence - which does not mean accepting their content as truth. You may even occasionally have negative thoughts that are true, but even such thoughts can be accepted as truth without your buying into them as a reflection of your worth; as humans, we all make mistakes. Your mind will most likely go on dishing out negative thoughts for the rest of your life. My mind tells me every day: "Helena, you are inadequate, you are unworthy, you are less than ...". My mind has been telling me that for decades and probably always will. I can't get rid of those thoughts, but I can make room for them without buying into them or allowing them to dictate my life and my actions. So ... I smile, thank my mind for dishing out such crap, and go do something toward my values. Taking action will not magically remove the thoughts or get rid of them. Taking action merely allows you to live a worthwhile life in spite of those thoughts. In time, they may or may not lesson or go away, but that is not the goal.HelenaTo: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:33:29 AMSubject: Re: Feeling "Less Than" wow, I am confused I am suppose to accept that I feel less that- I htought the idea was take action so I wouldnt think that no more. Or it to take action even thought that belief has changed? Or is it with every action against that thought , it will get less then less. Lin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > hbbr <hbbr@>; > > > > > > To: > > > > ACT <act_for_the_public >; > > > > > > Subject: > > > > Feeling "Less Than" > > > > > > Sent: > > > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling "less than"! > > Helena > > > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the "victim" role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt "less-than" are the gems of my life, because I survived. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Thanks for the explanation Halina. I cant say I like hearing that I cant get rid of that feeling. I guess I have been tryign to rid myself of that feeling all my life. Isnt that what we're doing with ante-depressents? Anyway, I took action and spoke to my boss about a few things bothering me about work. I didnt get a good reaction. I started strong and ended up with my voice quivering. I just want to cry now. I am signing off going to try and write with my inner child. Lin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > hbbr <hbbr@>; > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > ACT <act_for_the_public >; > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > Feeling " Less Than " > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: > > > > > > > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling " less than " ! > > > > Helena > > > > > > > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the " victim " role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt " less-than " are the gems of my life, because I survived. > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 It's OK if you ended up with your voice quivering. You were brave to approach your boss with your concerns - good for you! Why do you think you got a bad reaction? Helena To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 9:16:11 AMSubject: Re: Feeling "Less Than" Thanks for the explanation Halina. I cant say I like hearing that I cant get rid of that feeling. I guess I have been tryign to rid myself of that feeling all my life. Isnt that what we're doing with ante-depressents?Anyway, I took action and spoke to my boss about a few things bothering me about work. I didnt get a good reaction. I started strong and ended up with my voice quivering. I just want to cry now. I am signing off going to try and write with my inner child.Lin> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From:> > > > > > > > hbbr <hbbr@>; > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > ACT <act_for_the_public >; > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:> > > > > > > > Feeling "Less Than" > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent:> > > > > > > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling "less than"!> > > > Helena> > > > > > > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the "victim" role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt "less-than" are the gems of my life, because I survived.> > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq> > > >> > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Halina I think I got a negative reaction at least in part because I let emotions seep into my body and verbal language. I want to go back at it but I am afraid. I want to ask him what he means by saying " Well, I dont know what to tell you " I was asking for more involvement by participating and being part of the communication emails in the goings on and I was also asking to be use of my skills in my duties. Often, I am without work. I took what he said to mean he didnt want to listed to complaints and the subject is ended. Proper timing may be an issue also but most of the time you cant get him with any free time. I have never been in a company before where I litteraly had to beg for work.I am scared , I need the job. Lin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > hbbr <hbbr@>; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > ACT < act_for_the_public >; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > Feeling " Less Than " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: > > > > > > > > > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling " less than " ! > > > > > Helena > > > > > > > > > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the " victim " role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt " less-than " are the gems of my life, because I survived. > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 You boss sounds like a *$%^**%# - sorry! Give it a rest and maybe you can try again in the future. You approached him in spite of your fear, and that is so commendable. I would try to stay busy - or at least look busy - or you may be at risk. I sometimes have the same problem where I work - not enough to do - so I clean the refrigerator, improve my filing system, dust the desks - anything at all to stay busy. It has improved a lot lately since I have a new boss who is giving me more responsibility, including projects that challenge my creativity. Helena To: "ACT for the Public" <ACT_for_the_Public >Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:46:56 AMSubject: Re: Feeling "Less Than" HalinaI think I got a negative reaction at least in part because I let emotions seep into my body and verbal language. I want to go back at it but I am afraid. I want to ask him what he means by saying "Well, I dont know what to tell you" I was asking for more involvement by participating and being part of the communication emails in the goings on and I was also asking to be use of my skills in my duties. Often, I am without work. I took what he said to mean he didnt want to listed to complaints and the subject is ended. Proper timing may be an issue also but most of the time you cant get him with any free time. I have never been in a company before where I litteraly had to beg for work.I am scared , I need the job.Lin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and he probably had anxiety , but l dont know if he had deppression? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > hbbr <hbbr@>; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > ACT < act_for_the_public >; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > Feeling "Less Than" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: > > > > > > > > > > Fri, Jun 8, 2012 3:57:54 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This blog from Olympic Gold diver Greg Louganis was inspiring to me in light of our recent discussion on feeling inadequate and not fitting in. He is certainly an example of someone who followed his values in spite of feeling "less than"! > > > > > Helena > > > > > > > > > > Excerpt: I never would have had that kind of strength and fortitude to succeed without my life's experiences, and I mostly attribute my strength in that moment to my tormentors. But it was only after I stopped playing the "victim" role that I truly began living a life of freedom. I found the will to learn and follow the path I was put on this Earth to follow. The experiences in which I felt "less-than" are the gems of my life, because I survived. > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/87fu6zq > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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