Re: please help life falling apart here!

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Ring worm a yeast has a oval ring with central clearing.

Re: please help life falling apart here!

Sounds like the Zithro die off my daughter had when starting Zithro back in May. She was ok at 250 mg but all it all went to pieces late on the 3rd day going into the 4th and our Dr. thought it was "Zithro die off", which I'd not wrapped my head around until that point. We used 2 charcoal away from everything else 2 hours after the Zithro AND increased the Zithro to 500 mg per day until all was calm for a few days and went back to 250 mg. >> yeah but the nystaine wouldn't be the source either in the regression as it wasn't used the first 2 trial runs.....the only thing in common in both is the dropping of the clymindamyacin and the adding of the high dose azithyro.....but I can drop and see if it gets better> > here to add to the mess about 4 hours ago things got better after giving the clymindamyacin....starting to think he just can't go off it!> > >

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how would that be different from a lyme ring?

From: Fieber

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:23 PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

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Ring worm a yeast has a oval ring with central clearing.

Re: please help life falling apart here!

Sounds like the Zithro die off my daughter had when starting Zithro back in May. She was ok at 250 mg but all it all went to pieces late on the 3rd day going into the 4th and our Dr. thought it was "Zithro die off", which I'd not wrapped my head around until that point. We used 2 charcoal away from everything else 2 hours after the Zithro AND increased the Zithro to 500 mg per day until all was calm for a few days and went back to 250 mg. >> yeah but the nystaine wouldn't be the source either in the regression as it wasn't used the first 2 trial runs.....the only thing in common in both is the dropping of the clymindamyacin and the adding of the high dose azithyro.....but I can drop and see if it gets better> > here to add to the mess about 4 hours ago things got better after giving the clymindamyacin....starting to think he just can't go off it!> > >

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hum it was my LLMD who is well written of in the lyme autism connection who told me these large rashes were still ring worm....he speaks at all the conferences as well and has books out

From: Anne Mears

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:23 PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

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EM = Erythma Migrans AKA bull’s eye rash that is diagnostic for Lyme disease.

Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

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From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel ChurchSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 5:56 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: please help life falling apart here!

what are you refering to with an EM rash? what is EM?

From: Anne Mears

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:13 PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

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If it is larger than an inch, it is big enough to be considered an EM rash, even by conventional docs who try to deny Lyme disease. I am not aware of other organisms that will cause a circular rash like this, but it is possible.

Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

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From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel ChurchSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 12:54 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: please help life falling apart here!

oh me and my kids have had MUCH large spots then cms.....we have had inch and more in diameter ones!

From: Anne Mears

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:21 PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: RE: Re: please help life falling apart here!

I thought ring worm was a parasite, and yes, I have heard of it and seen it. It rarely gets larger than 1-2 cm in diameter. If it is larger than that, it is more likely to be an EM rash.

Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

mcfighter@...

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel ChurchSent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 7:53 AMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: please help life falling apart here!

you have never heard of ring worm?? that is yeast in a ring

From: Anne Mears

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:22 AM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

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Never heard of yeast emerging as a ring, especially on skin that is not in a constant fold or in contact with other skin. Might be best to get it check for a possible EM rash which is diagnostic for Lyme.

Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

mcfighter@...

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel ChurchSent: Monday, January 24, 2011 8:20 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Re: please help life falling apart here!

oh my gosh what happened then at 500 mgs???? I can't even imagine pushing the envolope more. to add to the fun I notice he now has a ring on his arm that has started since starting it back up. now now sure if I should take him to his dr to look at it to see if it's a lyme ring coming out or yeast....thinking I will try an antifungal on it and see if it gets better and if not confirm it as lyme coming out????

From: erinsullivan65

Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:44 AM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

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Sounds like the Zithro die off my daughter had when starting Zithro back in May. She was ok at 250 mg but all it all went to pieces late on the 3rd day going into the 4th and our Dr. thought it was "Zithro die off", which I'd not wrapped my head around until that point. We used 2 charcoal away from everything else 2 hours after the Zithro AND increased the Zithro to 500 mg per day until all was calm for a few days and went back to 250 mg. >> yeah but the nystaine wouldn't be the source either in the regression as it wasn't used the first 2 trial runs.....the only thing in common in both is the dropping of the clymindamyacin and the adding of the high dose azithyro.....but I can drop and see if it gets better> > here to add to the mess about 4 hours ago things got better after giving the clymindamyacin....starting to think he just can't go off it!> > >

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I could be wrong, but I believe it is size. Ringworm, that I have seen, is

about the size of a quarter or half dollar, only oval. My bullseyes were the

size of a fist.

Caryn

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Any ideas on what may be round spot like fungus but the size of a dime with very red flat center that fades to a permanent light pink shinny spot?MicheleSent via BlackBerry by AT&TSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:30:59 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: please help life falling apart here! I could be wrong, but I believe it is size. Ringworm, that I have seen, is about the size of a quarter or half dollar, only oval. My bullseyes were the size of a fist.Caryn> >> > yeah but the nystaine wouldn't be the source either in the regression as it wasn't used the first 2 trial runs.....the only thing in common in both is the dropping of the clymindamyacin and the adding of the high dose azithyro.....but I can drop and see if it gets better> > > > here to add to the mess about 4 hours ago things got better after giving the clymindamyacin....starting to think he just can't go off it!> > > > > >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5814 (20110124) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5814 (20110124) __________> > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > > http://www.eset.com> > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5815 (20110125) __________> > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > > http://www.eset.com> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5815 (20110125) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com>

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that could be ring worm....

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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:33 AM

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Any ideas on what may be round spot like fungus but the size of a dime with very red flat center that fades to a permanent light pink shinny spot?Michele Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

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I could be wrong, but I believe it is size. Ringworm, that I have seen, is about the size of a quarter or half dollar, only oval. My bullseyes were the size of a fist.Caryn> >> > yeah but the nystaine wouldn't be the source either in the regression as it wasn't used the first 2 trial runs.....the only thing in common in both is the dropping of the clymindamyacin and the adding of the high dose azithyro.....but I can drop and see if it gets better> > > > here to add to the mess about 4 hours ago things got better after giving the clymindamyacin....starting to think he just can't go off it!> > > > > >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5814 (20110124) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com> > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5814 (20110124) __________> > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > > http://www.eset.com> > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5815 (20110125) __________> > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > > http://www.eset.com> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5815 (20110125) __________> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> > http://www.eset.com>

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LD bull's-eye rash may be searched on net; plenty of color picture examples. usually discolored inside, blotchy ugly reds, purples, brown-reds were in the one I sawTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 11:06:28 PMSubject: Re:

Re: please help life falling apart here!

how would that be different from a lyme ring?

From: Fieber

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:23 PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: Re: please help life falling apart here!

Ring worm a yeast has a oval ring with central clearing.

Re: please help life falling apart here!

Sounds like the Zithro die off my daughter had when starting Zithro back in May. She was ok at 250 mg but all it all went to pieces late on the 3rd day going into the 4th and our Dr. thought it was "Zithro die off", which I'd not wrapped my head around until that point. We used 2 charcoal away from everything else 2 hours after the Zithro AND increased the Zithro to 500 mg per day until all was calm for a few days and went back to 250 mg. >> yeah but the nystaine wouldn't be the source either in the regression as it wasn't used the first 2 trial runs.....the only thing in common in both is the dropping of the clymindamyacin and the adding of the high dose azithyro.....but I can drop and see if it gets better> > here to add to the mess about 4 hours ago things got better after giving the clymindamyacin....starting to think he just can't go off it!> > >

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Christel,

Matty had similar rings....it was NOT ringworm as it did not respond to topical treatment. It did resolve...think i slathered it with myrhh and clay--which was the regiman du jour at the time. Could also be EM rash....so many rashes going on, but as my older one says, "it's good mom, it's coming out"...but a picture is always a good idea.

lisa

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Ring worm is always oval with a central clearing, they can be very small to large in size as big as a 50c piece or larger. Lyme ring would be circular and different colors.

Re: please help life falling apart here!

Sounds like the Zithro die off my daughter had when starting Zithro back in May. She was ok at 250 mg but all it all went to pieces late on the 3rd day going into the 4th and our Dr. thought it was "Zithro die off", which I'd not wrapped my head around until that point. We used 2 charcoal away from everything else 2 hours after the Zithro AND increased the Zithro to 500 mg per day until all was calm for a few days and went back to 250 mg. >> yeah but the nystaine wouldn't be the source either in the regression as it wasn't used the first 2 trial runs.....the only thing in common in both is the dropping of the clymindamyacin and the adding of the high dose azithyro.....but I can drop and see if it gets better> > here to add to the mess about 4 hours ago things got better after giving the clymindamyacin....starting to think he just can't go off it!> > >

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Hi Fransel.I kept your e-mail on my computer.I am cleaning house on

my e-mails,but your note concerned me.I don't know if I should be

concerned or not though. Dropping the Valtrex. How is it going.I

hope fine. I find all doctors have their own ideas on

treatment.         Just hoping your family is doing well,Tammy F.

 

My lyme Dr made us drop Valtrex and Diflucan when we

started our lyme treatment with herbs. We continue to give

activated charcoal for die offs. All other biomeds

continued. 2 doctors also suspended HBOT for 1yr. Are you

guys still on antivirals and antifungals? We are just

starting lyme treatment at 17 yrs after testing positive

with Igenex. Other comments welcome. Thank you for your

response Christel.

Fransel

From: "Christel Church"

Sender:

BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:42:30 -0500

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

ReplyTo:

BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject:

please help life falling apart here!

 

ok we had our lyme testing done, got our BANDS and

our LLMD has changed our meds and it's causing HELL

here!

 

we were doing azithro 150 mgs every 10th day and

clymindamycin every day 60 mgs, and LDN at night and

fluconizole

all was well as far as stuff behaviorally

our labs came back for OATS and immune showing

clostrida and yeast issues and liver somewhat stressed

 

so our llmd had us go off the diflucan and put us on

nystatine and then had us cut out the clamindamyacin and

go on the azithro 200 mgs A DAY

 

we have tried it 3 times and he falls apart.

 

I am sitting here 6 HOURS Later and my sons is STILL

not eating his breakfast. he is OCD and ODD through the

roof, it's been a HUGE fight today. 

 

not sure of a few things

if its; the dropping of the clymindamyacin

the upping of the azithro

the dropping of the fluconizole or a reaction to the

nystatine

 

on the off chance it's the fluconizole gone I have

upped other yeast fighters

not thinking we have an issue there

I really think it's either he can't handle that high

of azithro

or can't go off the clymindamyacin.

 

he has a duel dx of PANDAS and we are for SURE

seeing a flare!

 

[Guest guest]

oh side note we DID figure out what the issue was, after weeks of trials here we figured it out, it WAS the dropping of the clymindamyacin, apparently he is still needing it, we have now successfully moved up to the 200 mgs of azitho with out issues as long as we keep the clymindamyacin in and we have been able to take the clymindamyacin to 30 mgs successfully from the 60 as well. we dropped the fluconizole to nystatine but noticed and up kick in body posturing that we have never had issues with before and realized that nystatine is STREP based made so we dropped it and the posturing has stopped. had a melt down last tuesday again and got a call that afternoon that a child was absent from the class and got dxed with strep that day that was there the day before.....ERRRR>.......so bad to solid ground on the new regiment. MEANWHILE have my youngest on fluconizole for yeast and azithro for an ear infection and day 5 woke up screaming EVERY HOUR of leg pains. went to see our primary today (also a DAN and LLMD) who said we just confirmed our herks reaction and lyme in her and she is getting tested on monday next week as we reach our 2 week mark on azithro....Lord I may go nuts with 3 of us with dxes now......ah man!!!!

From: Tammy Farmer

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:22 PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re: please help life falling apart here!

Hi Fransel.I kept your e-mail on my computer.I am cleaning house on my e-mails,but your note concerned me.I don't know if I should be concerned or not though. Dropping the Valtrex. How is it going.I hope fine. I find all doctors have their own ideas on treatment. Just hoping your family is doing well,Tammy F.

My lyme Dr made us drop Valtrex and Diflucan when we started our lyme treatment with herbs. We continue to give activated charcoal for die offs. All other biomeds continued. 2 doctors also suspended HBOT for 1yr. Are you guys still on antivirals and antifungals? We are just starting lyme treatment at 17 yrs after testing positive with Igenex. Other comments welcome. Thank you for your response Christel.

Fransel

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Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:42:30 -0500

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ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: please help life falling apart here!

ok we had our lyme testing done, got our BANDS and our LLMD has changed our meds and it's causing HELL here!

we were doing azithro 150 mgs every 10th day and clymindamycin every day 60 mgs, and LDN at night and fluconizole

all was well as far as stuff behaviorally

our labs came back for OATS and immune showing clostrida and yeast issues and liver somewhat stressed

so our llmd had us go off the diflucan and put us on nystatine and then had us cut out the clamindamyacin and go on the azithro 200 mgs A DAY

we have tried it 3 times and he falls apart.

I am sitting here 6 HOURS Later and my sons is STILL not eating his breakfast. he is OCD and ODD through the roof, it's been a HUGE fight today.

not sure of a few things

if its; the dropping of the clymindamyacin

the upping of the azithro

the dropping of the fluconizole or a reaction to the nystatine

on the off chance it's the fluconizole gone I have upped other yeast fighters

not thinking we have an issue there

I really think it's either he can't handle that high of azithro

or can't go off the clymindamyacin.

he has a duel dx of PANDAS and we are for SURE seeing a flare!

[Guest guest]

Wow, it sounds like you have gotten so much done and are able to go

forward. YAY!!!       Hope all goes well,Tammy F.

 

oh side note we DID figure out

what the issue was,  after weeks of trials here we

figured it out, it WAS the dropping of the

clymindamyacin, apparently he is still needing it,   we

have now successfully moved up to the 200 mgs of azitho

with out issues as long as we keep the clymindamyacin in

and we have been able to take the clymindamyacin to 30

mgs successfully from the 60 as well.  we dropped the

fluconizole to nystatine but noticed and up kick in body

posturing that we have never had issues with before and

realized that nystatine is STREP based made so we

dropped it and the posturing has stopped.  had a melt

down last tuesday again and got a call that afternoon

that a child was absent from the class and got dxed with

strep that day that was there the day

before.....ERRRR>.......so bad to solid ground on the

new regiment.  MEANWHILE have my youngest on fluconizole

for yeast and azithro for an ear infection and day 5

woke up screaming EVERY HOUR of leg pains.  went to see

our primary today (also a DAN and LLMD) who said we just

confirmed our herks reaction and lyme in her and she is

getting tested on monday next week as we reach our 2

week mark on azithro....Lord I may go nuts with 3 of us

with dxes now......ah man!!!!

 

From: Tammy Farmer

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:22 PM

To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject: Re:

please help life

falling apart here!

 

Hi Fransel.I kept your e-mail on my computer.I am

cleaning house on my e-mails,but your note concerned

me.I don't know if I should be concerned or not though.

Dropping the Valtrex. How is it going.I hope fine. I

find all doctors have their own ideas on

treatment.         Just hoping your family is doing

well,Tammy F.

 

My lyme Dr made us drop Valtrex and Diflucan

when we started our lyme treatment with herbs.

We continue to give activated charcoal for die

offs. All other biomeds continued. 2 doctors

also suspended HBOT for 1yr. Are you guys still

on antivirals and antifungals? We are just

starting lyme treatment at 17 yrs after testing

positive with Igenex. Other comments welcome.

Thank you for your response Christel.

Fransel

Sender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:42:30 -0500

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject:

please help life falling apart here!

 

ok we had our lyme testing done, got our

BANDS and our LLMD has changed our meds and

it's causing HELL here!

 

we were doing azithro 150 mgs every 10th

day and clymindamycin every day 60 mgs, and

LDN at night and fluconizole

all was well as far as stuff behaviorally

our labs came back for OATS and immune

showing clostrida and yeast issues and liver

somewhat stressed

 

so our llmd had us go off the diflucan and

put us on nystatine and then had us cut out

the clamindamyacin and go on the azithro 200

mgs A DAY

 

we have tried it 3 times and he falls

apart.

 

I am sitting here 6 HOURS Later and my sons

is STILL not eating his breakfast. he is OCD

and ODD through the roof, it's been a HUGE

fight today. 

 

not sure of a few things

if its; the dropping of the clymindamyacin

the upping of the azithro

the dropping of the fluconizole or a

reaction to the nystatine

 

on the off chance it's the fluconizole gone

I have upped other yeast fighters

not thinking we have an issue there

I really think it's either he can't handle

that high of azithro

or can't go off the clymindamyacin.

 

he has a duel dx of PANDAS and we are for

SURE seeing a flare!