Re: Supplementing with The Core when doing DMPS Injections

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Thane have you read about the benefits of frequent dose chelation? There is a

yahoo group with 2000 members. Small doses given frequently (DMSA, lipoic acid,

DMPS) etc are better because instead of stirring up a storm of metals like an

injection does, the small frequent doses ensure that there is more chelator on

hand all the time to mop up the metals that got displaced by DMPS. You can check

out the frequent dose chelation Yahoo group or read Andy Cutler's book called

" Amalgam Illness. "

And if it were me I'd take the minerals away from the DMPS shot.

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> I do weekly injections of DMPS and i was wondering if I took my The Core

minerals at the same time as i inject DMPS if the DMPS would bind to lots more

minerals in my system than metals... Would I be better off waiting to take my

minerals for a few hours after taking DMPS? Thoughts? Thx, Thane

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Thane,

I think that you would waste the DMPS in binding essential minerals instead of

metal toxins. Cutler said that the half life of oral DMPS in the body is about

8 hours. I don't know if this is different for the injection form. But I would

stop taking minerals supplements at least 8 hours before and after DMPS

injection.

Limin

> I do weekly injections of DMPS and i was wondering if I took my The Core

minerals at the same time as i inject DMPS if the DMPS would bind to lots more

minerals in my system than metals... Would I be better off waiting to take my

minerals for a few hours after taking DMPS? Thoughts? Thx, Thane

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Limin,

How do you feel with taking ala with dmsa?

Misty

Re: Supplementing with The Core when doing DMPS Injections

Thane,

I think that you would waste the DMPS in binding essential minerals instead of metal toxins. Cutler said that the half life of oral DMPS in the body is about 8 hours. I don't know if this is different for the injection form. But I would stop taking minerals supplements at least 8 hours before and after DMPS injection.

Limin

> I do weekly injections of DMPS and i was wondering if I took my The Core minerals at the same time as i inject DMPS if the DMPS would bind to lots more minerals in my system than metals... Would I be better off waiting to take my minerals for a few hours after taking DMPS? Thoughts? Thx, Thane

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My son is still on maintenance dosage of KPU protocol. We have been doing the

whole swing of the protocol, but do not use The Core, because I want to have the

flexibility of adjusting the dosage of individual vitamins and minerals used for

the protocol.

I started him with 30 mg of Zinc and gradually built up to 180 mg and stayed on

this dosage for 4 months. His excessive " gibberish " really got cleaned up and

had very good improvements in his intonation and articulation. Finally family

members and outsiders could understand what he was talking. I also detoxified

him with Phospholipids Exchange, which contains EDTA, and supported his detox

with chlorella tablets and Modifilan. By the end of 4 months, I started

observing signs of zinc toxicity. He was pale and had bleeding lips and facial

discoloration (white patches on his cheeks), and fatigue -- signs of copper

deficiency induced by high zinc intake. I gradually reduced zinc to 30 mg -

this is his current dosage. Once I dropped zinc dosage, all these side effects

subsided.

Other supplements we used for this protocol are evening primrose oil, vitamin E,

moderate dose of P-5-P, NADH injection, biotin, magnesium, chromium, molybdenum,

lithium orotate, iodine (from Modifilan), and silica (from Micro Plant Power).

I am searching for a brand of boron to add this in. The dosage of minerals is

mostly based upon his urine, blood, and hair mineral status. I give him

manganese on and off and not consistently, as his levels of manganese are always

good. He also takes selenium (not part of the KPU protocol though). Biotin and

selenium together keep yeast from flare-up or turning into the fungal form. In

my son's case, yeast flare-up is common, when metals start to mobilize. My son

takes 8 mg Biotin 3X with meals. When we ran out of Biotin, his inappropriate

giggling and laughing would return.

I give taurine and L-carnitine with a fatty meal. Taurine helps in bile

production; B6 helps in bile suspension to enhance bile flow. Together these

help the liver to filter fat soluble toxins by putting them in the bile for

excretion. One needs to eat good quality fats in order to detoxify fat-soluble

toxins. L-carnitine (though not part of the KPU protocol) helps to carry fatty

acids into the cells.

The dosage of B6/P5P is very individual-depending. My son took 30 mg of P5P at

bed time back then. He is now able to tolerate 50 mg. Treating for chronic

Strep infection (Zithromax) seems to have increased his tolerance for B6 and

P5P. Yasko believes that high dose B6 can cause more overstimulatory or OCD

type behaviors. B6 is a cofactor in kynurenines to quinolinic acid conversion.

Quinolinic acid is an excitotoxin and can further aggravate the nervous system.

Chronic Strep and/or Lyme infected individuals might already have high levels of

quinolinic acid. Taking high dose B6 is adding oil onto the fire. B6 also

stimulates the transsulfuration pathway, by doing so it potentially increases

the production of the byproducts of this pathway: ammonia and sulfite. We use

molybdenum to detoxify sulfite, and BH4 to detoxify ammonia.

Hope this helps.

Limin

> Limin, did you take your child off the kpu protocol after 4 months? If so why,

when it was helping him? Did the expressive language become a permanant

improvement? Did he do the other kpu nutrients or just zinc?

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minerals at the same time as i inject DMPS if the DMPS would bind to lots more

minerals in my system than metals... Would I be better off waiting to take my

minerals for a few hours after taking DMPS? Thoughts? Thx, Thane

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Thane,

Remembering back a few years ago we did an " off " all minerals the day of the

injection as the chelator will go after the most available metals. We also did

not eat fish (1st doc included Cod Liver Oil, 2nd doc we did not include CLO

with this catagory so check w/your doc on this one)....are you running UTM's

w/the injections (Urine Toxic Metals report....these can be thrown off some as

well w/mineral or eating fish while chelating/taking minerals & running UTM

together).

The next day we started back on the minerals, at times per doc we'd double to

replenish...next day doubling was just for 1 day, not always & I only did w/doc

order.

Are you using a binder to mop up after as well...Check w/your doc...but

something like the correct Chlorella to both bind & replenish minerals has been

pretty much a staple for both replishing minerals while binding at the same

time.

Rita

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minerals at the same time as i inject DMPS if the DMPS would bind to lots more

minerals in my system than metals... Would I be better off waiting to take my

minerals for a few hours after taking DMPS? Thoughts? Thx, Thane

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Thank you, Rita. I'm not running UTM reports with my injections. I do

occasionally. But right now i'm doing the Core with OSR, Microsilica, and

Chlorella, and weekly injections of DMPS.

Thane

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minerals at the same time as i inject DMPS if the DMPS would bind to lots more

minerals in my system than metals... Would I be better off waiting to take my

minerals for a few hours after taking DMPS? Thoughts? Thx, Thane

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Thane,Are you seeing any gains with this protocol?.. and how long have you been doing this?PamSender: praboli@...Subject: Re: Supplementing with The Core when doing DMPS InjectionsTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 11:35 AM

Thank you, Rita. I'm not running UTM reports with my injections. I do occasionally. But right now i'm doing the Core with OSR, Microsilica, and Chlorella, and weekly injections of DMPS.

Thane

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Pam,

I've been seeing slow but steady improvements on this protocol. Like others, i'm

doing many things and so its hard to say with certainty which things have

brought around the results. But I know i've moved a lot of metals out, and my

hair analysis mineral status has improved a lot. So I feel sure i've made

significant, measurable moves forward as far as metals/minerals are concerned.

Also my body seems more 'fluid', for a lack of a better word. Now my

herxes/metals are coming on much faster and harder with a much stronger immune

response than before, but they're also clearing out just as quickly. Dr. K's

assistant says this is the result of a stronger healthier me. I feel more

mentally calm and grounded, and my sphere of awareness continues to increase.

One thing thats been quite significant is the help DMPS is for getting the

metals out of my brain. I always feel much more mentally clear after the

injections. I've not tried oral DMSA to see if it gives similar results.

Thane

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more minerals in my system than metals... Would I be better off waiting to take

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