Re: What kind of music you like? and instruments you play? if any

[Guest guest]

ason.

>

> I have heard some Autistics cant listen to some music, like it hurts

> to listen to. I have never had this happen to me, has anyone else? or

> did I misread something?

>

I can't abide music with a tinny beat. Or a fast drum beat. Makes me anxious.

I like classical and folk rock. Though best of all Capercaillie, who

no one seems to have heard of but which is nicer than Enya :-)

Genyin

--

" I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind!

The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. "

M. Schultz

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----- Original Message -----

> I notice to many of my posts seem to angry so I decided to post

> about something I love.

Oh, music! Goody!

>

> The only music I can not listen to is country, not all of it but most

> of it makes me angry in a way I can not describe. Something about much

> of this stuff really upsets me.

I like to listen to some old-school country occasionally, but don't care for

the 'new' country. I really like " Raising Sand " an album Plant and

Alison Krauss did together. I also like Teddy and , but

they're more 'alternative country'.

> I love classical and rock. Classic

> rock to metal, love the stuff. I like a lot of the pop music from the

> 80s and early 90s.

Not me. I hate the fact that most stores insist on playing mostly '80s

music. What's up with that? Even songs I liked then, I really don't care to

hear again. The only bands I never got tired of are U2 and Dire Straits.

Most pop music today is trash imo. Like a lot of

> rap from 80s and 90s as well, again I feel a lot of rap/hiphop is

> trash now.

I used to love Hip-Hop in the '80s. That and R & B was almost all I listened

to, much to the chagrin of my spouse. I couldn't stand those hair bands.

Didn't get into U2 until Rattle & Hum. I liked Bruce Springsteen and Dire

Straits, but otherwise all black music. Until they started coming out with

gangsta' rap. Ugh!

>

> One song that I heard not to long ago that really stuck out to me and

> toped the " Make me want to pull my hair out " list is " A Bay Bay " . So

> tired of stuff like this, come up with some random words, repeat them

> over and over and they make millions.... uhg

Hmm? I don't even listen to regular radio anymore. Our local PBS station has

a program on four nights a week, called " Out of the Box " where you can hear

new stuff by older artists (I've rediscovered so many older artists I used

to love decades ago, like Mark Knopfler) and also new stuff by new artists.

It's a true alternative to what else is out there. I look at the " Top Ten "

and often don't know 9 out of ten songs in there.

>

> Anyways if I had to list favorites I was say, AC/DC, Metallica (older

> stuff),Disturbed, Ozzy and Linkin Park. I really like bands that have

> unique sounds, especialy singers.

I used to like AC/DC when I was between 15 and 21, a looong time ago, LOL!

Same for Kiss. Now, they do nothing for me anymore. I like a couple of

Metallica's songs (Whiskey in the Jar) and used to love Disturbed and

Godsmack, but they too, lost their appeal. Dunno, I seem to flit from style

to style sometimes. Just rediscovered an old favorite (wonderful Life by

" Black " ) a couple of days ago.

>

> As for instruments I play guitar, not so much anymore since I got my

> Keyboard which I love. I cant play much and most is just simple

> melodies I like but I find it relaxing. Some day I hope to get a

> violin and maybe take real lessons, I love the sound of them for some

> reason.

I couldn't play the guitar if my life depended on it. I'd rather listen to

others play.

>

> I have heard some Autistics cant listen to some music, like it hurts

> to listen to. I have never had this happen to me, has anyone else? or

> did I misread something?

There are certain types of music that I absolutely cannot tolerate. People

don't understand that. Like, I work at a German restaurant now, and will

avoid going into the dining room when they have their German music playing,

it's awful. Some music just strikes a chord in me and I want to crank it,

but other music I find extremely annoying to the point that I get very

irritable if I can't escape it.

D.

[Guest guest]

I didn't know it was an aut thing, but if you are collecting casual statistics,

there are kinds of music that 'hurt' me too.

Yes, a fast beat. It makes my heart race and gives me an unexplained anxiety.

Also loud bass. It cuts right to the inside of me, right to my central core and

I can't even explain the awful feeling.

So- there's another one

Silence is my best friend, solitude my second best friend. Simplicity my third.

If I have those I can go from there out and come back when I need to.

Jo

Re: What kind of music you like? and instruments

you play? if any

On 09/01/2008, bigearbob2000 <bigearbob2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

ason.

>

> I have heard some Autistics cant listen to some music, like it hurts

> to listen to. I have never had this happen to me, has anyone else? or

> did I misread something?

>

I can't abide music with a tinny beat. Or a fast drum beat. Makes me anxious.

I like classical and folk rock. Though best of all Capercaillie, who

no one seems to have heard of but which is nicer than Enya :-)

Genyin

--

" I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind!

The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. "

M. Schultz

[Guest guest]

> The only music I can not listen to is country, not all of it but

> most of it makes me angry in a way I can not describe. Something

> about much of this stuff really upsets me. I love classical and

> rock. Classic rock to metal, love the stuff. I like a lot of the

> pop music from the 80s and early 90s. Most pop music today is trash

> imo. Like a lot of rap from 80s and 90s as well, again I feel a lot

> of rap/hiphop is trash now.

>

I find country painful sometimes, because it tends to have things

like harmonicas and twangy sounds. My Dad likes Irish music but

sometimes I find the pipes hurt my head because of the drone. I also

hate dance music because the beat hurts my head.

Music without words that doesn't hurt my head just fades into the

background. With words, I can decide whether or not I like it. If I

like what it says, I like it (unless it's painful auditorally) but I

hate love songs and a bunch of various songs. What I like are a)

social commentary songs such as Universal Soldier by Buffy Saint-

Marie, and weird fantasy songs like a lot of Rush. My favorite

style of music is probably progressive rock, simply because they're

most likely to make songs about the stuff I like.

I also hate songs with unfinished sentences repeated over and over

(my brother has a Christmas song that goes 'deck the halls, deck the

halls, deck the halls with XYZ' - oh, and this time of year I hate

Christmas music too, though I don't mind it at other times) and songs

where someone howls or says 'yeah' loudly. I just think they

sound 'cool' which I hate.

> As for instruments I play guitar, not so much anymore since I got

> my Keyboard which I love. I cant play much and most is just simple

> melodies I like but I find it relaxing. Some day I hope to get a

> violin and maybe take real lessons, I love the sound of them for

> some reason.

>

I play tin whistle, piano and ukelele, all at a very basic level. I

just can't seem to get past the basic level of laboriously picking

out and then memorizing individual simple songs.

> I have heard some Autistics cant listen to some music, like it

> hurts to listen to. I have never had this happen to me, has anyone

> else? or did I misread something?

>

I have that, as described before. Too loud music, or music with a

heavy beat or a monotonous or high-pitched 'twangy' sounds hurts.

Ettina

[Guest guest]

I play keyboard at amateur level. Melodies

and simple chord accompaniment.

(Already told my piano lessons story in " AS

music joys and frustrations " - essentially eye-motor

multitasking limitations/interferences prevent me

from getting to " intermediate pianist " level)

I'm fascinating about the technicalities of

pipe organs but don't think I may ever play one.

I like all sorts of music. Classical, pop, rock,

power metal, opera, musicals...

Can't stand most current rap except Coolio

had some nice classic-sounding mixes. Classic

1950's jazz yes, more modern " random " jam not.

I love female voices: pop (ABBA both Agnetha

& Frida, Carpenter, Maggie Reilly -Mike

Oldfield's singer...), light opera ( Brightman,

Hayley Westenra, Kiri te Kanawa). The most " opera "

I can stand is our Romanian lady Gheorghiu.

Don't like the " 3 Sopranos " - too artificially piercing.

Power metal: ManOWar, Judas Priest...

Lady-metal: Nightwish, Within Temptation,

After Forever, Leaves' Eyes, Beto Vazquez Infinity...

Enya, celtic harp, etc. Maori folk tunes.

Also like German Volksmusik, jodlers, Swedish

dansband (BAO, Helen Sjoholm)...

For who loves Ozzy Osbourne mixed with big organ:

What I cannot stand is extremely loud music as

in a typical disco, and/or mixed with human hubris,

as in a party. Can stand very loud technically focused

music, like a pipe organ or majestic movie soundtrack.

Mircea Pauca, Bucuresti, Romania

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

>I didn't know it was an aut thing, but if you are collecting casual

>statistics, there are kinds of music that 'hurt' me too.

With me it depends on the song. There are hard-rock tunes I love, hard-rock

tunes I hate, and that's true for most genres of music. Subwoofers I cannot

tolerate at all. They make my heart race, too. I once had to get out of a

Best Buy because they were demonstrating some stereos with subwoofers.

> Silence is my best friend, solitude my second best friend. Simplicity my

> third. If I have those I can go from there out and come back when I need

> to.

Yup, same here.

D.

[Guest guest]

i'm a savant. took all the tests, amazed all the shrinks, etc.....

so what. no you haven't heard of me, i'm not famous, just another

cranky genius on the dole. i've been playing out since 1978 (guitars,

basses). i've also been an angry alcoholic because of it. it's the

only way i had to make money, playing bass in bar and lounge bands

hearing the same stupid song requests over and over by stupid drunks

who just want to shake their asses and get laid. i HATE classic rock,

country, pop, jazz lite, jam bands and most female vocals. i like my

own compostitions, all kinds of weird jazz, minimalist,

experimental, ambient and some techno, and can enjoy and respect

pretty much anything played by other cranky geniuses sitting outside

the post office hoping someone will throw change into their

instrument case. i always throw dollars.

i REALLY can;t stand sensitive cutie-pie coffee-shop starlets with

cute little love ditties who go on to make millions with the insipid

tripe they crank out when my post office friends kill themselves on

the RR tracks out of poverty and artistic frustration. i hate

anything that is marketable, a product, popular and the next big

thing. i like playing for autistics, they have no problem telling

me they can't stand my voice, because i can't stand most singing

either. honesty rocks. people either love what i do or can't stand

it. i'm fine with that.

--.-

trk

--.-

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

>

> i HATE classic rock,

> country, pop, jazz lite, jam bands and most female vocals. i like my

> own compostitions, all kinds of weird jazz, minimalist,

> experimental, ambient and some techno, and can enjoy and respect

> pretty much anything played by other cranky geniuses sitting outside

> the post office hoping someone will throw change into their

> instrument case. i always throw dollars.

> i REALLY can;t stand sensitive cutie-pie coffee-shop starlets with

> cute little love ditties who go on to make millions with the insipid

> tripe they crank out when my post office friends kill themselves on

> the RR tracks out of poverty and artistic frustration. i hate

> anything that is marketable, a product, popular and the next big

> thing. i like playing for autistics, they have no problem telling

> me they can't stand my voice, because i can't stand most singing

> either. honesty rocks. people either love what i do or can't stand

> it. i'm fine with that.

You sound a lot like me. There's little 'popular' stuff I like. Most of it

flies right under my radar these days, anyway. Do you have a MySpace page

with your music on it? If not, this might be a way to bring it to a wider

audience and maybe start making a bit more money off it. Just a thought...

D.

[Guest guest]

Music! Yea!

Without music I don't know what I would have done growing up, and I

rocked non-stop until age 32-ish when spinal issues (that had nothing

to do with the rocking) made it too painful. I mean listening to

music, I was never that good at playing instruments, but I can play a

little guitar and was better years ago (haven't played in ages). I

like playing with my Mac's GarageBand and making really " esoteric "

stuff, mostly because I can't do anything else! As an artist, I'm

better with visual things.

I usually always hated what was popular with people at the MOMENT.

However, I did get into stuff growing up in the '70's and '80's that

was popular with previous generations, such as the Beatles, who split

up long before I discovered them. Actually Lennon had to die

before I was really exposed to them outside of their hits. And

Lennon himself got me through a lot of hard times as a teenager with

his lyrical honesty.

I like everything but country, however I can listen to some older

country, and I'm not too crazy about most rap (but some of it's okay

from an artistic POV). I worked in a second hand record shop for years

and the owner taught me so much regarding early blues, jazz and Rn'B.

As for rock music, this was something I was immediately drawn to from

at least the age of awareness.

I like hard rock music for the most part, but tire easily of fast,

non-stop beats/riffs. But I'm all over the board. Certain bands bore

me to tears when they won't change their pace. I always liked singers

who can't sing that well, and especially singers who make me feel

something. Because I always had difficulty feeling anything otherwise.

So I could always appreciate people like Kurt Cobain (example), unlike

my husband who cringes at the first few strains! I like unexpected

feedback, even if it is painful. I like the occasional gut wrenching

scream, because as I mentioned, it makes me feel. I love a good rock

front person, someone who knows what it means to put on a SHOW. I like

playfulness and artfulness and artists who make you think.

My favorites over the years (starting from my early years) are the

Beatles/ Lennon, Blondie, Cheap Trick, Beethoven, Led Zeppelin,

T-Rex, Bowie, Metallica, Nirvana, Marilyn Manson....and the odd

album from various bands between the 50's and now.

Besides allowing me to feel, especially during times of depression,

music makes me move. I can dance to practically anything when I feel

like it. But more than anything, music opens doors for me

artistically. Without it, I'd be empty.

a

[Guest guest]

Oh boy are you right about that.

Techno hurts my ears. It really bothers me.

K

> I notice to many of my posts seem to angry so I decided to post

> about something I love.

>

> The only music I can not listen to is country, not all of it but most

> of it makes me angry in a way I can not describe. Something about much

> of this stuff really upsets me. I love classical and rock. Classic

> rock to metal, love the stuff. I like a lot of the pop music from the

> 80s and early 90s. Most pop music today is trash imo. Like a lot of

> rap from 80s and 90s as well, again I feel a lot of rap/hiphop is

> trash now.

>

> One song that I heard not to long ago that really stuck out to me and

> toped the " Make me want to pull my hair out " list is " A Bay Bay " . So

> tired of stuff like this, come up with some random words, repeat them

> over and over and they make millions.... uhg

>

> Anyways if I had to list favorites I was say, AC/DC, Metallica (older

> stuff),Disturbed, Ozzy and Linkin Park. I really like bands that have

> unique sounds, especialy singers.

>

> As for instruments I play guitar, not so much anymore since I got my

> Keyboard which I love. I cant play much and most is just simple

> melodies I like but I find it relaxing. Some day I hope to get a

> violin and maybe take real lessons, I love the sound of them for some

> reason.

>

> I have heard some Autistics cant listen to some music, like it hurts

> to listen to. I have never had this happen to me, has anyone else? or

> did I misread something?

>

>

>

--

" You must do the very thing you think you cannot do-- " Eleanor Roosevelt

[Guest guest]

> You've actually been rejected by some people because of your musical

> tastes?

Actually, yes. Must be lucky that way. Now that I know my own

neurology better, I might have been a little obsessive with my likes.

But even before I knew about autism, as I got older, I kept it in check

(away from others) as much as possible. There was a time I stopped

listening to music as much, but there was a hole in my life. Since

knowing about autism, I've let music come back into my life and if I'm

obsessive about it, so be it, that's me and it's what makes me happy.

I don't push my tastes on people, that's not what I mean and luckily I

have friends who appreciate some of the same things I do.

It must have started with my 2nd oldest sister, who's name is Judy.

When she was a kid growing up, the Beatles' song Hey Jude came out.

Well, the kids at school changed it's lyrics and used them to torment

her. Being a highly sensitive person, she took great offense, to the

point of hating the Beatles, and when I say say 'hate', I mean with a

lot of feeling!

Because when at 14 I took to the Beatles (a decade and a half after

she'd been tormented with Hey Jude), she did not try and hide the fact

that they were extremely distasteful to her, and in the process she'd

hurt my feelings as well. It's not like I was the one who teased her

as a child, nor was it the fault of the Beatless, but Judy's not the

type to forgive and forget, or to even put things in perspective.

So years went by, and I discovered other music. But to this day, and

without me even bringing them up, my sister will say something about

how much she hates the Beatles in my presence (loudly). Last time was

during Xmas '06. It doesn't bother me except that I worry about her

mental state sometimes, to make this statement out of the blue (only

the topic of music needs bringing up in ANY form) and then saying it in

a way that she's trying to needle me with it. She says it with a lot

of venom. The woman is going on 49 years of age and she's still hung

up on something mindless elementary students had tormented her with

almost 40 years ago.

> > Music is personal, but at the same time, to be judged based on what

> you

> > like is low. No one can know why certain music affects us this way

> or

> > that, or why something means something to us or not. I don't care

> what

> > people like, and I won't judge them for it, but I also need to know

> if

> > a person will judge me based on what I like, therefore if they need

> to

> > reject me based on that shallow premise, I get it over with before

> > anything can really get started, because they'll find out

> eventually.

>

> So, what kind of music do you like?

I like a little bit of everything, and at different times. Mostly it's

the harder rock bands that cause the most trouble! (I like hard rock

but not " cookie monster " vocals hard rock...that is, I like to be able

to sing along!) I've always liked a solid front man and/or

controversial artists (it's people's reactions to them that I find

fascinating), so much so that I would like to write something about it

someday, in a historical sense. It's just doing it in a way that

hasn't been done before that's difficult. Music history is like every

other kind of history, it repeats itself. Speaking of controversial

issues, I've also been fascinated by the challenges against freedom of

speech and/or the 1st Amendment, which usually always involves art. I

have tomb-like books about cases, and my favorite one (Girls Lean Back

Everywhere) spans several decades dealing with artists being brought

before the law over their art. I also keep updated in regards to

freedom of speech and the internet.

a

[Guest guest]

> Hey, if you want, email me privately, and we can chat some more about

> this.

> Music has always been my hobby and my passion.

>

> D.

I didn't notice this until after I replied to the last one. Good idea,

thanks.

a

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

>

>

> It must have started with my 2nd oldest sister, who's name is Judy.

> When she was a kid growing up, the Beatles' song Hey Jude came out.

> Well, the kids at school changed it's lyrics and used them to torment

> her. Being a highly sensitive person, she took great offense, to the

> point of hating the Beatles, and when I say say 'hate', I mean with a

> lot of feeling!

Wow! It must have really affected her. Is she on the spectrum, too?

>

> Because when at 14 I took to the Beatles (a decade and a half after

> she'd been tormented with Hey Jude), she did not try and hide the fact

> that they were extremely distasteful to her, and in the process she'd

> hurt my feelings as well. It's not like I was the one who teased her

> as a child, nor was it the fault of the Beatless, but Judy's not the

> type to forgive and forget, or to even put things in perspective.

>

> So years went by, and I discovered other music. But to this day, and

> without me even bringing them up, my sister will say something about

> how much she hates the Beatles in my presence (loudly). Last time was

> during Xmas '06. It doesn't bother me except that I worry about her

> mental state sometimes, to make this statement out of the blue (only

> the topic of music needs bringing up in ANY form) and then saying it in

> a way that she's trying to needle me with it. She says it with a lot

> of venom. The woman is going on 49 years of age and she's still hung

> up on something mindless elementary students had tormented her with

> almost 40 years ago.

This is very unusual.

> I like a little bit of everything, and at different times. Mostly it's

> the harder rock bands that cause the most trouble! (I like hard rock

> but not " cookie monster " vocals hard rock...that is, I like to be able

> to sing along!) I've always liked a solid front man and/or

> controversial artists (it's people's reactions to them that I find

> fascinating), so much so that I would like to write something about it

> someday, in a historical sense. It's just doing it in a way that

> hasn't been done before that's difficult. Music history is like every

> other kind of history, it repeats itself. Speaking of controversial

> issues, I've also been fascinated by the challenges against freedom of

> speech and/or the 1st Amendment, which usually always involves art.

Some of the things that get said in many of today's Hip Hop songs really

stretch my tolerance to the breaking point (IF I get a chance to hear some

of it). I don't expose myself to it on purpose. I used to love Hip Hop, soul

and R & B 20 to 25 years ago, but then lost interest around 1990, when the

gangsta rap started. Got into grunge rock, with which I could identify then,

but also listened to a variety of other things.

I

> have tomb-like books about cases, and my favorite one (Girls Lean Back

> Everywhere) spans several decades dealing with artists being brought

> before the law over their art. I also keep updated in regards to

> freedom of speech and the internet.

So do I.

D.

[Guest guest]

That's sad about your sister hating the Beatles because some mean kids used one

of their songs to torment her. And how she still perseverates about it to this

day, maybe she's one of us?

I loved the Beatles too. Even though Lennon made a famous comment which

was seen as blasphemous and lost their mainstream appeal, and even though

Manson used their music in connection with heinous crimes.

Even so, I still like the Beatles and their music. Forgiveness isn't something

we do for others, it's something we do for ourselves. -- Joni

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[Guest guest]

You don't have to be autistic to perseverate about something like

that. It's fairly standard.

Ettina

>

> That's sad about your sister hating the Beatles because some mean

kids used one of their songs to torment her. And how she still

perseverates about it to this day, maybe she's one of us?

>

> I loved the Beatles too. Even though Lennon made a famous

comment which was seen as blasphemous and lost their mainstream

appeal, and even though Manson used their music in connection

with heinous crimes.

>

> Even so, I still like the Beatles and their music. Forgiveness

isn't something we do for others, it's something we do for

ourselves. -- Joni

>

>

> PASS IT ON!

>

> Visit http://www.thehungersite.com to give food to the hungry with

just

> a click -- every day and at no cost to you.

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> HOW IT WORKS

>

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at

> http://www.thehungersite.com, this simple action gives over a cup

of

> fortified food to a hungry person.

>

> It costs you nothing. Funding is paid by site sponsors and food is

> distributed by two leading nonprofit hunger relief organizations:

Mercy

> Corps and America's Second Harvest. (A valid site -- I checked it

out -- JP)

>

> As Margaret Mead said, " Never doubt that a small group of

thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it's the

only thing that ever has. "

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> That's sad about your sister hating the Beatles because some mean kids

> used one of their songs to torment her. And how she still perseverates

> about it to this day, maybe she's one of us?

That's been thought of. I don't yet know what my oldest sister thinks

regarding this, who grew up with Judy. We've had only one discussion

regarding autism, none since then. My oldest sister thinks she herself

is on the spectrum, and I don't know if she said anything to Judy.

Judy's hard to talk to sometimes, or rather, you fear what her reaction

will be.

Judy remembers every slight or hurt, real or not, intentional or

unintentional. That's the way she's always been. She's known for her

fly-off-the-handle tantrums, screaming, crying and sometimes throwing

things. She has diabetes type 1 and has never really accepted it. She

had what I consider typical NT concerns: She was a a stereotypical

middle child (a spot she shares with my only brother) who " never got

anything but hand-me-downs " and became obsessed with having brand name

clothes, and even instilling this materialistic value on her kids.

I'm 8 years her junior and in many ways, the total opposite. I wonder

about bipolar disorder for her. She places so much importance on

social issues.

>

> I loved the Beatles too. Even though Lennon made a famous

> comment which was seen as blasphemous and lost their mainstream

> appeal, and even though Manson used their music in connection

> with heinous crimes.

I disagree that they lost their mainstream appeal due to what

Lennon said in 1966 about the " Beatles being bigger than Jesus " . It

was due to their popularity throughout their career that ended up

killing the Beatles. They were worn out by their " mainstream appeal " .

Lennon's comment was one of the reasons he was shot though by his

assassin though. A real good " christian " Mark Chapman was.

Lennon's comment was not made in disrespect to Christians, he was

speaking what he saw as the truth. And he was right. Popular culture

has more attention from young people than Jesus does, to this day.

As to heinous crimes caused by others, that has nothing to do with the

artists, but with the perpetrator (and who raised them as children)

only. Manson would have done something heinous no matter who

was " singing to him " .

>

> Even so, I still like the Beatles and their music. Forgiveness isn't

> something we do for others, it's something we do for ourselves. --

> Joni

>

I've never understood people who hold grudges. To not forgive rots the

person who can't do it. I was raised by the same parents as my sister,

I went through the same or similar " traumas " brought on by them, but

she's never been able to forgive them and I did so a long, long time

ago.

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> I disagree that they lost their mainstream appeal due to what

> Lennon said in 1966 about the " Beatles being bigger than Jesus " . It

> was due to their popularity throughout their career that ended up

> killing the Beatles. They were worn out by their " mainstream appeal " .

Yes, mainstream appeal can break up a band or it can break a person. Just

look at Britney Spears. Poor young woman. I just hope that her life doesn't

end tragically.

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> Lennon's comment was one of the reasons he was shot though by his

> assassin though. A real good " christian " Mark Chapman was.

I've read a fair amount of conspiracy articles and I'm of the opinion that

Chapman was a mind-controlled man who was used by the CIA to eliminate

Lennon.

> As to heinous crimes caused by others, that has nothing to do with the

> artists, but with the perpetrator (and who raised them as children)

> only. Manson would have done something heinous no matter who

> was " singing to him " .

Right. In the '90s people liked to blame Marilyn Manson. It's not any

artists or band that causes someone to commit horrible crimes.

> I've never understood people who hold grudges. To not forgive rots the

> person who can't do it. I was raised by the same parents as my sister,

> I went through the same or similar " traumas " brought on by them, but

> she's never been able to forgive them and I did so a long, long time

> ago.

I wish I could forgive my mother for what she did to me throughout my

childhood. I've forgiven my peers who teased me for years, because I believe

they truly didn't know any better, but she did, no matter how desperately

unhappy she may have been.

D.