Re: Does it pay to tell them

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Bink, i would have just written the exact same response. i just about died when

i read this! Jane, my nada took a bunch of benadryl but put an empty

prescription bottle next to her (for effect) AFTER my sister and i confronted

her on her behavior where she became super defensive and cried the whole night

exclaiming your exact quotations.

Like i said i will never again confront her. i write open letters in my journal

because they can not be disputed or defended or interrupted. Its very cathartic,

far more than confronting a borderline.

Re: Does it pay to tell them

does it pay? i say no. there are two possible responses my mom

gives: total obliviousness of any wrongdoing ( " It was my

prerogative. " ) or this mess:

DEFENSIVE ( " I did the best I could! " )

CRYING ( " You're right! You're always right! I'm a horrible mother!! " )

(fake) SUICIDE ATTEMPT ( " I just wanted to die today! I was walking in

front of cars hoping one would run me over. Why don't i just swallow

all my pills. Life would be easier for you if you didn't have to deal

with your horrible, crazy mother...etc " ).

ugh. note that those aren't three separate possibilities. ..all three

occur and in that order. so...does it pay? not when talking to her

about the things that bother me causes the behavior that bothers me to

occur.

bink

>

> I am currently struggling with telling my Mother and Brother how much

> they have hurt me. I realize that none of that matters to them, but I

> want them to understand why I will be cutting myself off from them. I

> suspect they will both say good riddence, and that hurts even more.

> Do I tell them or do I just walk away? After this weekend and the

> last, I am at that point. Here is what happened:

>

> I have been looking for a full time permanent job for the last six

> years. So far all I have been able to get are some gigs as an

> Indendent contractor and those were disasters. No support from my

> family. I have asked my brother to keep a look out for job

> opportunities where he works. He did reccommend me for one job, which

> I got. I was there a month when he picked a fight with my manager and

> made her so mad that to get back at him she fired me. I was there

> when it happened and I watched it all unfold. I could do nothing to

> stop it. My resentment towards my brother is very deep. It was a good

> paying job, with benefits and I had a chance to do something I really

> loved. But the rug was yanked out from under me. I have asked my

> brother to put in a good word for me for other positions that are

> open, but he does nothing.

>

> Last weekend my family and my brother's family were at my mom's farm

> and I mentioned to both my Mom and brother that another job had

> fallen through. I was met with silence and my brother actually turned

> his back on me. Needless to say I snapped and got mad about it. I

> needed some support and got obvious rejection. The only one who

> offered any kind of kindness was my sister-in-law and I thanked her

> for actually saying she was sorry that I didn't get the job, but that

> I should still keep trying. My brother has not spoken to me since

> then and I get the feeling they are avoiding me and my son.

>

> This weekend my Mother and I took my son to a nature preserve and the

> day went very well. We spent the night at her house. Everything was

> fine until she started talking to my brother over the phone the next

> day. When she hung up the phone, she made it clear that she wasn't

> going to tell me what they had been talking about. When I asked how

> they were doing she said fine. The next thing I knew she had left the

> house and ended up over at my brother's house without letting either

> my son or me know what was going on. She was gone for 30 minutes.

> When she got back, I told her that we were going to leave. She starts

> in on me making me feel guilty about leaving. I told her that I felt

> that my brother was playing games and she flew off the handle. I also

> told her that she didn't tell us that she would be gone. Instead of

> saying that she was sorry to have worried us, she started yelling at

> me that she just happened to meet up with my brother and wanted a

> chance to squeeze the little one, my brother's daughter. How dare I

> question where she was and she didn't have to tell me anything.

> Further she stipulated that we were in her house and I had no right

> to ask her about anything. Needless to say I am still upset about it.

>

> She just called wanting to know how my son was doing, but she was

> looking to have me apologize for what happened yesterday or to

> pretend it didn't happen at all. Any normal person would ask why

> someone was upset. To her it doesn't matter, I am being unreasonable.

> Now I will get the silent treatment. But I am tired of being hurt and

> feeling guilty about it. So I apologized and she started in on me

> again, " I just don't know about you. Do I have to ask your permission

> to do what I want to do? I'm a grown woman. What is wrong with you? "

>

> I feel so alone and sad. I hate to deprive my son of his grandmother,

> but I suspect that it does him damage to see her treat me this way.

> He has even asked me why Grammaw likes him better than me. Has anyone

> had to deal with this? How did you handle it? I am just making a mess

> of things no matter what I do.

>

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I hear you.

Re: Does it pay to tell them

does it pay? i say no. there are two possible responses my mom

gives: total obliviousness of any wrongdoing ( " It was my

prerogative. " ) or this mess:

DEFENSIVE ( " I did the best I could! " )

CRYING ( " You're right! You're always right! I'm a horrible mother!! " )

(fake) SUICIDE ATTEMPT ( " I just wanted to die today! I was walking in

front of cars hoping one would run me over. Why don't i just swallow

all my pills.. Life would be easier for you if you didn't have to deal

with your horrible, crazy mother...etc " ).

ugh. note that those aren't three separate possibilities. ..all three

occur and in that order. so...does it pay? not when talking to her

about the things that bother me causes the behavior that bothers me to

occur.

bink

>

> I am currently struggling with telling my Mother and Brother how much

> they have hurt me. I realize that none of that matters to them, but I

> want them to understand why I will be cutting myself off from them. I

> suspect they will both say good riddence, and that hurts even more.

> Do I tell them or do I just walk away? After this weekend and the

> last, I am at that point. Here is what happened:

>

> I have been looking for a full time permanent job for the last six

> years. So far all I have been able to get are some gigs as an

> Indendent contractor and those were disasters. No support from my

> family. I have asked my brother to keep a look out for job

> opportunities where he works. He did reccommend me for one job, which

> I got. I was there a month when he picked a fight with my manager and

> made her so mad that to get back at him she fired me. I was there

> when it happened and I watched it all unfold. I could do nothing to

> stop it. My resentment towards my brother is very deep. It was a good

> paying job, with benefits and I had a chance to do something I really

> loved. But the rug was yanked out from under me. I have asked my

> brother to put in a good word for me for other positions that are

> open, but he does nothing.

>

> Last weekend my family and my brother's family were at my mom's farm

> and I mentioned to both my Mom and brother that another job had

> fallen through. I was met with silence and my brother actually turned

> his back on me. Needless to say I snapped and got mad about it. I

> needed some support and got obvious rejection. The only one who

> offered any kind of kindness was my sister-in-law and I thanked her

> for actually saying she was sorry that I didn't get the job, but that

> I should still keep trying. My brother has not spoken to me since

> then and I get the feeling they are avoiding me and my son.

>

> This weekend my Mother and I took my son to a nature preserve and the

> day went very well. We spent the night at her house. Everything was

> fine until she started talking to my brother over the phone the next

> day. When she hung up the phone, she made it clear that she wasn't

> going to tell me what they had been talking about. When I asked how

> they were doing she said fine. The next thing I knew she had left the

> house and ended up over at my brother's house without letting either

> my son or me know what was going on. She was gone for 30 minutes.

> When she got back, I told her that we were going to leave. She starts

> in on me making me feel guilty about leaving. I told her that I felt

> that my brother was playing games and she flew off the handle. I also

> told her that she didn't tell us that she would be gone. Instead of

> saying that she was sorry to have worried us, she started yelling at

> me that she just happened to meet up with my brother and wanted a

> chance to squeeze the little one, my brother's daughter. How dare I

> question where she was and she didn't have to tell me anything.

> Further she stipulated that we were in her house and I had no right

> to ask her about anything. Needless to say I am still upset about it.

>

> She just called wanting to know how my son was doing, but she was

> looking to have me apologize for what happened yesterday or to

> pretend it didn't happen at all. Any normal person would ask why

> someone was upset. To her it doesn't matter, I am being unreasonable.

> Now I will get the silent treatment. But I am tired of being hurt and

> feeling guilty about it. So I apologized and she started in on me

> again, " I just don't know about you. Do I have to ask your permission

> to do what I want to do? I'm a grown woman. What is wrong with you? "

>

> I feel so alone and sad. I hate to deprive my son of his grandmother,

> but I suspect that it does him damage to see her treat me this way.

> He has even asked me why Grammaw likes him better than me. Has anyone

> had to deal with this? How did you handle it? I am just making a mess

> of things no matter what I do.

>

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If the situation is so abusive that one of you always ends up

getting yelled at, and mom is curled up in a ball crying her eyes

out, it's time to role model to your son how to handle these

situations in life.

My therapist taught me that we can be honest with our kids (in age

appropriate language) that we're going to deal with this situation

differently.

Ask yourself what tools you want to give to your son to handle these

situations in the future when he's an adult and on his own, and

you're not there to lead the way.

Whether it's your parents, an abusive boss or friend, it's a

universal truth that we must teach people how to respect us, or

cease continuing a meaningful relationship with them. It shows the

world we demand basic respect that all humans deserve, and we're not

here for them to dump their dysfunction on. No one is here for

that, therefore, it's up to you to show your son that you either

limit visits, limit the time of the visits, or don't visit at all.

Otherwise, you're teaching your son to just keep going back like a

lamb to slaughter.

You can't think that something that leaves you crying in a ball can

be good for you, or for your son to see as " normal " . Show your son

how to show some backbone and stop going into abusive situations.

He needs those tools, or he'll go out into the world and form

relationships that aren't good for him, and he'll think he has to

just keep taking it.

You, as his mother, have to lead the way.

-Kyla

> >

> > I am currently struggling with telling my Mother and Brother how

> much

> > they have hurt me. I realize that none of that matters to them,

but

> I

> > want them to understand why I will be cutting myself off from

them.

> I

> > suspect they will both say good riddence, and that hurts even

more.

> > Do I tell them or do I just walk away? After this weekend and

the

> > last, I am at that point. Here is what happened:

> >

> > I have been looking for a full time permanent job for the last

six

> > years. So far all I have been able to get are some gigs as an

> > Indendent contractor and those were disasters. No support from

my

> > family. I have asked my brother to keep a look out for job

> > opportunities where he works. He did reccommend me for one job,

> which

> > I got. I was there a month when he picked a fight with my

manager

> and

> > made her so mad that to get back at him she fired me. I was

there

> > when it happened and I watched it all unfold. I could do nothing

to

> > stop it. My resentment towards my brother is very deep. It was a

> good

> > paying job, with benefits and I had a chance to do something I

> really

> > loved. But the rug was yanked out from under me. I have asked my

> > brother to put in a good word for me for other positions that

are

> > open, but he does nothing.

> >

> > Last weekend my family and my brother's family were at my mom's

> farm

> > and I mentioned to both my Mom and brother that another job had

> > fallen through. I was met with silence and my brother actually

> turned

> > his back on me. Needless to say I snapped and got mad about it.

I

> > needed some support and got obvious rejection. The only one who

> > offered any kind of kindness was my sister-in-law and I thanked

her

> > for actually saying she was sorry that I didn't get the job, but

> that

> > I should still keep trying. My brother has not spoken to me

since

> > then and I get the feeling they are avoiding me and my son.

> >

> > This weekend my Mother and I took my son to a nature preserve

and

> the

> > day went very well. We spent the night at her house. Everything

was

> > fine until she started talking to my brother over the phone the

> next

> > day. When she hung up the phone, she made it clear that she

wasn't

> > going to tell me what they had been talking about. When I asked

how

> > they were doing she said fine. The next thing I knew she had

left

> the

> > house and ended up over at my brother's house without letting

> either

> > my son or me know what was going on. She was gone for 30

minutes.

> > When she got back, I told her that we were going to leave. She

> starts

> > in on me making me feel guilty about leaving. I told her that I

> felt

> > that my brother was playing games and she flew off the handle. I

> also

> > told her that she didn't tell us that she would be gone. Instead

of

> > saying that she was sorry to have worried us, she started

yelling

> at

> > me that she just happened to meet up with my brother and wanted

a

> > chance to squeeze the little one, my brother's daughter. How

dare I

> > question where she was and she didn't have to tell me anything.

> > Further she stipulated that we were in her house and I had no

right

> > to ask her about anything. Needless to say I am still upset

about

> it.

> >

> > She just called wanting to know how my son was doing, but she

was

> > looking to have me apologize for what happened yesterday or to

> > pretend it didn't happen at all. Any normal person would ask why

> > someone was upset. To her it doesn't matter, I am being

> unreasonable.

> > Now I will get the silent treatment. But I am tired of being

hurt

> and

> > feeling guilty about it. So I apologized and she started in on

me

> > again, " I just don't know about you. Do I have to ask your

> permission

> > to do what I want to do? I'm a grown woman. What is wrong with

you? "

> >

> > I feel so alone and sad. I hate to deprive my son of his

> grandmother,

> > but I suspect that it does him damage to see her treat me this

way.

> > He has even asked me why Grammaw likes him better than me. Has

> anyone

> > had to deal with this? How did you handle it? I am just making a

> mess

> > of things no matter what I do.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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OMG,....I used to rescue my sister when my nada did this to her. We

lived in Michigan at the time and nada would lock her out in the snow.

She'd sit in the huge snowbanks in her jammies and bare feet until nada

fell back asleep and I'd let her in and get her warmed up. My sister

had terrible nightmares and nada was infuriated that sis woke her.

She'd rage and drag her outside fighting the whole way, me screaming at

her to stop it and let me take care of my sister. I would wait for

nada to go back to sleep and I'd let baby girl in,....(tears) broke my

heart.

Mercy

>

> Yet when I was around 7-years-old the two of them put me outside in

> my PJs on a cold winter night and locked the door.

[Guest guest]

Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common experience!!

A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, & husband & out

of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice childhood. "

What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in my PJs

was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged at was

oh so nice.

> >

> > Yet when I was around 7-years-old the two of them put me outside in

> > my PJs on a cold winter night and locked the door.

>

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Mr. Z.

Wild, huh? Nada dumped me on the side of the highway in the middle of

nowhere one time when I was about 14. She also loves to tell me what a

wonderful childhood I had. Sheez lady,...you have got to be kidding.

>

> Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common experience!!

> A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, & husband & out

> of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice childhood. "

> What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in my PJs

> was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged at was

> oh so nice.

[Guest guest]

" It makes me wonder if your mother has a sister

herself whom she resents and if that is why she and your brother

pull together against you "

You are very perceptive. My mother is the middle child of three surviving

sisters. She had a younger sister who was severely handicapped and she often

said she resented her and picked on her. In her own words, " I was very cruel to

her. " The youngest aunt is still around and is a drama queen who is amazingly

self centered. Your statement was a revelation. I had not even entertained that

this kind of dynamic was present in my life. It gives me another piece in the

puzzel. Part of my healing comes from understanding what is going on and why I

have been singled out. I believe with knowledge comes power. If I understand why

I am being set up, I can recognize it and remove myself from the situation. You

just may have hit the nail on the head. I may well be a replacement for the

younger siblings my Mother has lost control of.

My brother has been given a pass on every thing he has ever done. He has flunked

out of college. To his credit he went back and finished. He has been married

three times, the first two to clearly BPD women. And I mean over the top, give

anyone on this board a run for their money BPD. This last one is a drama queen

who says the most inappropriate things and thinks she is funny. He is cold

hearted and controlling. He and his wife just adopted a little girl and right

now she is " perfect " but they are spoiling her and the minute she gives my

brother any push back he is going to try and break her with the same BS my

mother currently uses. Their expectations of this little girl are pretty

unrealistic and they never miss a chance to tell me what a bad parent I am and

what a defective child I have. Yet another reason to limit the contact I have

with them.

So when you compaired this dynamic to your own experience all sorts of red flags

went off in my head. The ganging up makes sense now and my brother feeds off of

putting me in my place and my mother enables him. I would have never seen that.

Thank you.

Re: Does it pay to tell them

I think it all depends on what you need. I have found that typing my

feelings out, using all the profanity I need to if I am really

angry, then deleting it helps. (Of course the paranoid, court-tv

addict in me says it's better to do this free-hand because what if

you are falsely accused of a crime and they data-mine your computer

and find your heat-of-the- moment rantings, lol, but anyway...). I

got really badly hurt by some 'friends' I'd met online, about a year

ago, and I did this daily for months until I felt better. For the

sake of my health I just had to get it out. (I strongly believe that

all four were some flavor of borderline/sociopat h, that was

definitely my 'hitting bottom' with drawing these people into my

life).

The thing about writing someone a letter like this is it has to be

100% for YOU. In the book " Toxic Parents " they talk about how much

confrontation helps in terms of people moving past this stuff and

going on with their lives. But you can't have *any* expectations

about their response to it being apologetic or being willing to

change suddenly. If you do, it will just be a source of more pain.. I

have known people who've done this, for their own sake, with no

expectations except that they felt unheard and wanted to get their

point of view out into the open air with the person. And it was

usually their final input into the relationship. So basically they

told the person how they felt (one friend did this with his dad by

writing a letter and reading it to him) and then they walked away

from the relationship. Your brother and mom are definitely

triangulating against you, he sounds very astute at that sort of

thing and apparently feels threatened by you. My dad is like that

with me and the number one reason for it, I believe, is that he has

a younger sister, the first girl in the family, who was born 2 years

after him and apparently upset the apple-cart of the family

affection hierarchy (or something... ?) in his family in a way that

affected him profoundly and permanently. His solution has been to

emotionally torment me all of his life. My sister triangulates with

him vs. me, also. Her conflict, not coincidentally, is HER younger

sister, ME. So they have that pain in common and instead of working

through it they work in concert to make me feel like the a mistake

and like they wish I'd not been born (which is probably the God's

honest truth). It makes me wonder if your mother has a sister

herself whom she resents and if that is why she and your brother

pull together against you (but I might just be personalizing your

story, it rings very true for me). What is a shame is not only is

their behavior not going to bring them any true comfort or healing

but that on some level they know it is wrong, and it's only going to

bring them negative karma in the end. You should do what you feel

will free you from the anger and resentment, but you have to be free

of any expectations about change in them. I wish you the best, I

think they are doing damage to your self-esteem and you'd probably

be better off with much more limited contact with them. I wouldn't

want my child, if I had one, exposed to that too much because

children learn what behavior is effective by watching what adults do

and seeing what 'works' and I wouldn't want a little one to watch

that kind of manipulation be successful.

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oh my god. creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy.

> > > >

> > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> experience!!

> > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> husband & out

> > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> childhood. "

> > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in

my

> PJs

> > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged

> at was

> > > > oh so nice.

> > >

> >

>

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Oh that's weird. Have you thought that your mom might have been jealous of

your guitar lessons? I loved music when I was little and she was a piano

teacher so I started to play when I was about 4 because I was arround it all

the time. Instead of being proud though, she terrorized me. I have a vague

memory of her slamming the piano lid shut on my hands.

Anyway, as I got older I took all sorts of lessons, and I remember my mom

acting up about taking me to lessons to the point that my dad started

arranging for one of his friends to take me. I remember being devastated

because she would tell me how untalented I was and that I could never

practice enough. Now, I believe it is jealousy. Also, my mom hated doing

things for me and would often freak out if she had to take ME shopping or to

the doctor or to a lesson, so I wonder if that could be part of it too. . .

good luck dear.

>

> Oh My God this happened to me too. This has been one of my huanting

> memories and thankyou for showing me others have experienced this. I was 11

> and my mother had some fit in the middle of a 4 lane highway at a red light

> she booted me. I got out turned my back on the car turned around and she

> was gone. Unbeleivable. I walked the almost nine miles home with no

> sidewalks on a four lane highway in 90 degree weather. when she came back

> to get me.. I was 1/4 mile from home. She was livid said the same things

> and blamed me. Then started to discuss consequences. Yea right. Anyway I

> told her if there were to be consequences I would have to discuss them with

> Dad. She shut up as Dad had no idea the crap she pulled and her biggest

> threat and demand was you will not tell your father. Then she got all calm

> as if nothing happened and in a sweet sicking voice said well go get your

> guitar your going to be late for your lesson and that was that. It turns

> out

> while I was walking home she and my brother were having a nice lunch at

> Hardees. errrrrrrgh

> Suebee

>

> Re: Does it pay to tell them

>

> oh my god. creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy.

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> > experience!!

> > > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> > husband & out

> > > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> > childhood. "

> > > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in

> my

> > PJs

> > > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged

> > at was

> > > > > oh so nice.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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Oh Wow, I have a story like that too!

I was about 10 and my Nada picked me up from school one day. Don't know why

because I always took the school bus but, there she was, waiting for me in the

parking lot. As soon as I got into the car she started to rage at me. Then she

ordered me out of the car. I gt out of the car and started walking home (no

exaggeration, it was about 10-15 miles).

This is where the story gets insane. She didn't want me to get back into the

car with her but she kept cirlcling the block screaming obscentities at me.

Imagine a supposed grown woman circling Block by Block screaming swaer wordas at

a ten year old. I didn't even know the meaning of half of what she said was. I

didn't know what " Whore " and the " C " word meant (sorry, don't mean to offend

anyone, just relating what she said) I just remember looking at her as she drove

by screaming " Stupid Bitch " at me and thought " If only the priests could see her

now " .

It took me about an hour to walk home but she kept cricling me and screaming

names at me. About 1.5 blocks from the house I noticed that my father's car was

in the driveway. She must have noticed too becasue she schreeched to a stop and

demanded I get back in the car with her. I did and immediately she started to

lecture me about " Look what you have done, etc " . Look what I've done??? I'm not

the nut case that screamed profanities at a 10 year old fro the last hour.

Really, no matter how angry she was shouldn't she have gotten it out of her

system after a few blocks. What supposed grown woman has that kind of time to

waste pulling a stunt like that? CRAZY!!!

sue Booth-s wrote:

Oh My God this happened to me too. This has been one of my huanting memories

and thankyou for showing me others have experienced this. I was 11 and my mother

had some fit in the middle of a 4 lane highway at a red light she booted me. I

got out turned my back on the car turned around and she was gone. Unbeleivable.

I walked the almost nine miles home with no sidewalks on a four lane highway in

90 degree weather. when she came back to get me.. I was 1/4 mile from home. She

was livid said the same things and blamed me. Then started to discuss

consequences. Yea right. Anyway I told her if there were to be consequences I

would have to discuss them with Dad. She shut up as Dad had no idea the crap she

pulled and her biggest threat and demand was you will not tell your father. Then

she got all calm as if nothing happened and in a sweet sicking voice said well

go get your guitar your going to be late for your lesson and that was that. It

turns out

while I was walking home she and my brother were having a nice lunch at Hardees.

errrrrrrgh

Suebee

Re: Does it pay to tell them

oh my god. creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy.

> > > >

> > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> experience!!

> > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> husband & out

> > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> childhood. "

> > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in

my

> PJs

> > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged

> at was

> > > > oh so nice.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

GAH! SO MUCH CREEPINESS! WHY WOULD YOU EVER DO THIS STUFF TO A

KID?!??!?!??!??! i remember mom kicking us out of the house and we'd

have to live at my aunts for a few weeks, but NEVER OUT OF A CAR!!!

on a HIGHWAY!!! if my mom did that circling crap, i probably would

have gone up to a stranger's house and knocked on the door.

UNACCEPTABLE!!!

bink

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> > experience!!

> > > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> > husband & out

> > > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> > childhood. "

> > > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps

in

> my

> > PJs

> > > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being

raged

> > at was

> > > > > oh so nice.

> > > >

> > >

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yeah...it reminds me that on youtube somewhere there is a video a kid

took of his mother screaming at him for ten minutes solid, just

hurling every profanity imaginable. He was sitting near the video

camera and turned it on while it was going on. She is on full-

hysteria...at one point she screams at him that he needs to go get a

gun and shoot himself. This is a sixteen year old kid. He stays calm

the whole time. Then he put it on youtube. With technology the way it

is today these borderline parents can really be brought up short and

exposed, lol.

[Guest guest]

ROFL...putting the raging mother on Youtube? That's hilarious!! My mother

loves to tell a story...and she SO does not get that she was out of line...about

my brother. When he was 3 she sent him to clean his room, and instead found him

playing in his still messy room. He was playing with a helium balloon...trying

to swing from the string (because eventually, you know, that balloon will stick

to the ceiling when you try swinging from it and then you'll be like Tarzan,

LOL). Anyway, she stabbed the balloon with scissors and then yelled at him for

45 minutes. (She admits this, like there's nothing wrong with screaming at a 3

year old for that long, or at all!!). The whole time, he just sat there as calm

as could be. She finally realized she was repeating herself and she yelled at

him " What do you have to say for yourself? " He looked at her for a moment and

then said, " If you are a balloon, I would pop you. "

mayalisa728 wrote:

yeah...it reminds me that on youtube somewhere there is a video a kid

took of his mother screaming at him for ten minutes solid, just

hurling every profanity imaginable. He was sitting near the video

camera and turned it on while it was going on. She is on full-

hysteria...at one point she screams at him that he needs to go get a

gun and shoot himself. This is a sixteen year old kid. He stays calm

the whole time. Then he put it on youtube. With technology the way it

is today these borderline parents can really be brought up short and

exposed, lol.

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oh my god, and there's another adult there while this is

happening...enabling...telling the kid to give his mom $50.

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> yeah...it reminds me that on youtube somewhere there is a video a

kid

> took of his mother screaming at him for ten minutes solid, just

> hurling every profanity imaginable. He was sitting near the video

> camera and turned it on while it was going on. She is on full-

> hysteria...at one point she screams at him that he needs to go get

a

> gun and shoot himself. This is a sixteen year old kid. He stays

calm

> the whole time. Then he put it on youtube. With technology the way

it

> is today these borderline parents can really be brought up short

and

> exposed, lol.

>

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[Guest guest]

oh my god, and there's another adult there while this is

happening...enabling...telling the kid to give his mom $50.

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> yeah...it reminds me that on youtube somewhere there is a video a

kid

> took of his mother screaming at him for ten minutes solid, just

> hurling every profanity imaginable. He was sitting near the video

> camera and turned it on while it was going on. She is on full-

> hysteria...at one point she screams at him that he needs to go get

a

> gun and shoot himself. This is a sixteen year old kid. He stays

calm

> the whole time. Then he put it on youtube. With technology the way

it

> is today these borderline parents can really be brought up short

and

> exposed, lol.

>

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[Guest guest]

Sweet!

Re: Re: Does it pay to tell them

ROFL...putting the raging mother on Youtube? That's hilarious!! My mother loves

to tell a story...and she SO does not get that she was out of line...about my

brother. When he was 3 she sent him to clean his room, and instead found him

playing in his still messy room. He was playing with a helium balloon...trying

to swing from the string (because eventually, you know, that balloon will stick

to the ceiling when you try swinging from it and then you'll be like Tarzan,

LOL). Anyway, she stabbed the balloon with scissors and then yelled at him for

45 minutes. (She admits this, like there's nothing wrong with screaming at a 3

year old for that long, or at all!!). The whole time, he just sat there as calm

as could be. She finally realized she was repeating herself and she yelled at

him " What do you have to say for yourself? " He looked at her for a moment and

then said, " If you are a balloon, I would pop you. "

mayalisa728 <mayalisa728@ yahoo.com> wrote:

yeah...it reminds me that on youtube somewhere there is a video a kid

took of his mother screaming at him for ten minutes solid, just

hurling every profanity imaginable. He was sitting near the video

camera and turned it on while it was going on. She is on full-

hysteria...at one point she screams at him that he needs to go get a

gun and shoot himself. This is a sixteen year old kid. He stays calm

the whole time. Then he put it on youtube. With technology the way it

is today these borderline parents can really be brought up short and

exposed, lol.

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weird it's like they were cloned from the sme crazy gene pool or should I say

car pool? Did she ever mention this again because my mom swears that it never

happened. My brother backs me on this one but won't talk about it. It must have

really sucked for him he was 1 year older then me. I think I prefer my

experience at least I could walk in peace albeit watching vigilantly for cars. I

would have been terrified if she had kept coming around screaming like that.

Thanks for sharing it helps to know Others have experienced these insane

situations.

SueBee (overtheborder1st now)

Re: Does it pay to tell them

oh my god. creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy.

> > > >

> > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> experience!!

> > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> husband & out

> > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> childhood. "

> > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in

my

> PJs

> > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged

> at was

> > > > oh so nice.

> > >

> >

>

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My Nada admits nothing to this day. Not to bore you with tales from my twilight

zone upbringing, but she would pull a knife on my sisters often. They would yell

at her to put it down and then she would rage at them for yelling at her. They

said " But you have a knife " and she would say " No I don't you liars " . This all

within 10 seconds of dropping the knife to the floor. I don't know if its

psychosis or an EXTREMELY selective memory...either way she admits to nothing

and plays the ultimate victim when confronted.

They must be related somehow. Let's ask the courts to take away their driving

privleges

Sue Booth-s wrote:

weird it's like they were cloned from the sme crazy gene pool or should I say

car pool? Did she ever mention this again because my mom swears that it never

happened. My brother backs me on this one but won't talk about it. It must have

really sucked for him he was 1 year older then me. I think I prefer my

experience at least I could walk in peace albeit watching vigilantly for cars. I

would have been terrified if she had kept coming around screaming like that.

Thanks for sharing it helps to know Others have experienced these insane

situations.

SueBee (overtheborder1st now)

Re: Does it pay to tell them

oh my god. creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy.

> > > >

> > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> experience!!

> > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> husband & out

> > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> childhood. "

> > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in

my

> PJs

> > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged

> at was

> > > > oh so nice.

> > >

> >

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Very true. Mine's the same. It's not a selective memory, it's just lies.

All lies. Mine was saying (has been for 20 years - make that 63 years)

about how all her friends used her as free babysitting. Odd thing is, I

have a damned near photographic memory of their houses, what I did in

various rooms, etc., but they can't even imagine my house. Why? Because

Yeti dumped us on all her friends for free babysitting...

I'm starting to think she did us a favour... Unintentionally.

> My Nada admits nothing to this day. Not to bore you with tales from my

> twilight zone upbringing, but she would pull a knife on my sisters

> often. They would yell at her to put it down and then she would rage

> at them for yelling at her. They said " But you have a knife " and she

> would say " No I don't you liars " . This all within 10 seconds of

> dropping the knife to the floor. I don't know if its psychosis or an

> EXTREMELY selective memory...either way she admits to nothing and

> plays the ultimate victim when confronted.

>

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

[Guest guest]

- had to let you know - I was always told to " look at what you made me

do " after one of nada's rages. " look what you've done to your own mother " was a

big one also.

Tag

Re: Does it pay to tell them

oh my god. creepy creepy creepy creepy creepy.

> > > >

> > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> experience!!

> > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> husband & out

> > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> childhood. "

> > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps in

my

> PJs

> > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being raged

> at was

> > > > oh so nice.

> > >

> >

>

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After being thrown out of the house -- (for doing nothing: mom had

just snapped because she saw some soda cans left out by the pool,

and not by me but I was the only one home when she came home and

spotted them.) -- my mother's " apology " was " I don't know what got

into me " .....followed by my dad's angry " And calling your mother

crazy doesn't help! "

Gee -- sorry I did that all wrong, guys! I should have KNOWN how

one conducts oneself when being thrown out of one's house and told

they don't live there anymore!

-Kyla

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow! It's CRAZY to have snow abandonment as a common

> > experience!!

> > > > > A few years ago, I was in the car with my nada, fada, &

> > husband & out

> > > > > of the blue my nada said to me, " You had a really nice

> > childhood. "

> > > > > What nerve she had!!!! Sure!! Freezing on the front steps

in

> my

> > PJs

> > > > > was real nice! Being locked in the cellar...nice! Being

raged

> > at was

> > > > > oh so nice.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

My BP is my mil, and SWOE gave me such insight into her behavior that

it really was a great relief for me to read it. But also in the back

of my mind, when I was reading it, I was like just tell me how to get

her out of my hair. I'm not looking for ways to make living with her

behavior more bearable. I'm looking to communicate my boundaries

clearly to her, and to enforce my boundaries and get back to my

normal life.

But I guess if the BPD is your child, you will need to learn to cope,

I don't think that holds true for a spouse or a parent or a sibling

or a friend.

> > > After reading most of SWOE, it sounds to me like these posts

> include

> > > disassociation and projection on the part of your BP's. Did

> anyone

> > > else get PO'd while reading SWOE? I feel like the suggested

> actions

> > > to take to continue a relationship with BP are the same as what

> I've

> > > done in the past. Which,in my opinion, is still walking on

shells

> > > and sacrificing oneself. Kinda like... you can approach the BP,

> but

> > > only at the right time and under the right circumstances...then

> when

> > > you approach be gentle and sensitive, but keep en emotional

> > > disconnect so you don't get hurt. If they get mad just walk

out,

> but

> > > say something nice so they won't feel abandoned. Now, just to

> make

> > > it very clear, these are NOT quotes from the book. But WTH!? Is

> > > that supposed to be better than before!? I'm sick of trying to

be

> > > the good person. I no longer can act like someone I'm not just

to

> > > make it okay, on any level, for my BP. ARG!!

> > > Okay that somehow turned into a vent! Whew...Thanks!

> > >

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think the book is coming from a position that something can be done to repair

the relationship. That is not always the case. It is correct in asserting that

the only one changing their behavior is the person trying to survive the BPD.

However in an extreme case, there is no amount of contact that is suitable. I

read the book and it helped me understand what was going on, I never could

practice its coping strategies because it just didn't work for me at the time. I

still had too much anger to distance myself emotionally. Personally, the only

quote that seems to fit is from Dr. Phil, " You train people how to treat you. "

You have to balance pushing back with walking away. My problem lay in

accomodating bad behavior. I can't change THEIR behavior, but I don't have to

put up with it either.

Take care.

Re: Does it pay to tell them

After reading most of SWOE, it sounds to me like these posts include

disassociation and projection on the part of your BP's. Did anyone

else get PO'd while reading SWOE? I feel like the suggested actions

to take to continue a relationship with BP are the same as what I've

done in the past. Which,in my opinion, is still walking on shells

and sacrificing oneself. Kinda like... you can approach the BP, but

only at the right time and under the right circumstances. ..then when

you approach be gentle and sensitive, but keep en emotional

disconnect so you don't get hurt. If they get mad just walk out, but

say something nice so they won't feel abandoned. Now, just to make

it very clear, these are NOT quotes from the book. But WTH!? Is

that supposed to be better than before!? I'm sick of trying to be

the good person. I no longer can act like someone I'm not just to

make it okay, on any level, for my BP. ARG!!

Okay that somehow turned into a vent! Whew...Thanks!

D

> > My Nada admits nothing to this day. Not to bore you with tales

from my

> > twilight zone upbringing, but she would pull a knife on my sisters

> > often.. They would yell at her to put it down and then she would

rage

> > at them for yelling at her. They said " But you have a knife " and

she

> > would say " No I don't you liars " . This all within 10 seconds of

> > dropping the knife to the floor. I don't know if its psychosis or

an

> > EXTREMELY selective memory...either way she admits to nothing and

> > plays the ultimate victim when confronted.

> >

>

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My nada considers herself completely blameless and I'm the liar.

According to her none what I say ever happened and she was the model

of motherhood.

Mercy

> weird it's like they were cloned from the sme crazy gene pool or

should I say car pool? Did she ever mention this again because my mom

swears that it never happened. My brother backs me on this one but

won't talk about it. It must have really sucked for him he was 1 year

older then me. I think I prefer my experience at least I could walk

in peace albeit watching vigilantly for cars. I would have been

terrified if she had kept coming around screaming like that. Thanks

for sharing it helps to know Others have experienced these insane

situations.

> SueBee (overtheborder1st now)

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And... " abuse is a deal breaker " (Dr. Phil)

D

Re: Does it pay to tell them

After reading most of SWOE, it sounds to me like these posts include

disassociation and projection on the part of your BP's. Did anyone

else get PO'd while reading SWOE? I feel like the suggested actions

to take to continue a relationship with BP are the same as what I've

done in the past. Which,in my opinion, is still walking on shells

and sacrificing oneself. Kinda like... you can approach the BP, but

only at the right time and under the right circumstances. ..then when

you approach be gentle and sensitive, but keep en emotional

disconnect so you don't get hurt. If they get mad just walk out, but

say something nice so they won't feel abandoned. Now, just to make

it very clear, these are NOT quotes from the book. But WTH!? Is

that supposed to be better than before!? I'm sick of trying to be

the good person. I no longer can act like someone I'm not just to

make it okay, on any level, for my BP. ARG!!

Okay that somehow turned into a vent! Whew...Thanks!

D

> > My Nada admits nothing to this day. Not to bore you with tales

from my

> > twilight zone upbringing, but she would pull a knife on my sisters

> > often.. They would yell at her to put it down and then she would

rage

> > at them for yelling at her. They said " But you have a knife " and

she

> > would say " No I don't you liars " . This all within 10 seconds of

> > dropping the knife to the floor. I don't know if its psychosis or

an

> > EXTREMELY selective memory...either way she admits to nothing and

> > plays the ultimate victim when confronted.

> >

>

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