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Kim,

Isn't this the greatest! I know what you mean, I still feel like I am

" melting " somedays.....look in the mirror and wonder " who is this? " congrats

and so happy to hear others are melting too!!! Annie

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Sometimes I feel like I am going know where fast. I have to look at

the big picture to get some perspective. It's been almost a year and

I've lost forty pounds. I tried on a pair of size 16 Levi's last night

and they more than fit!!!!

I've been pulling out winter clothes and last winter years are

defiantly to big. I have now lost more weight than I need to lose

(YEA). It hasn't been really fast but it has happened. Terry's

torturing made all the difference for me. Once I ditched the nuts and

the legal desserts I started losing again.

LIsa

> Kim,

> Isn't this the greatest! I know what you mean, I still feel like I am

> " melting " somedays.....look in the mirror and wonder " who is this? " congrats

> and so happy to hear others are melting too!!! Annie

>

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CONGRADULATIONS !!!!!!!! FANTASTIC !!! WHAT A

ACCOMPLISHMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- Kath wrote:

> I finally broke the 100 pound loss mark this week!

> Pretty cool huh?

> Katharine

> 375/274.5/170

> April 2000

>

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What are the biggest differences? What feels the best about being down

100lbs. That is just incredible. Congrads on the hard work.

LIsa

> > I finally broke the 100 pound loss mark this week!

> > Pretty cool huh?

>

> > Katharine

> > 375/274.5/170

> > April 2000

>

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> I finally broke the 100 pound loss mark this week! Pretty cool huh? I'm

Katharine,

That's absolutely fantastic, girl!!! Congrats! =) *Doing the happy dance

for Katharine*

Love and Hugs,

Kelli from Texas =)

234/207/125 Atkins 8/26/00

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Pat 0

Hi! Our stats are very similar I noticed. I am also struggling to

get below 130 (haven't been there in years). If anything works for

you let me know. I've had a little success with drinking 3 quarts of

water daily and making a few changes, but not as much as I hoped.

from NY

146/133/120

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Hi Pat,

Welcome to this list, it is the best. As far as your not

losing any more weight, it is probably mainly because you

are so close to goal. That last 10 can be the most stubborn

of things. Of course, in my case, it is my own fault so

that may not be the issue with you.

The one thing I thought of was that you said the turtle

menues provided a lot more carbs than you have been eating

lately. How much non-carb food have you been eating? It

could be that you have put your body into starvation mode

and your metabolism is shut down to cling to that weight.

The other thing is that maybe you have kept your carbs so

low that when you stopped losing you couldn't really reduce

the carbs further.

Just my thoughts.

Jean

190/138.5/130

12/7/98

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> Mine was 6.4! I know that is still high but it is a start and way down

from 8.

> Kristy

***Kristy, this is great progress!! Keep on truckin'.

Good job. Would you care to share with us how you did it?

Barb

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I know when I had my last rectal surgery and my stitches broke

open I blamed myself even though I was doing everything humanly

possible to advoid hard stools, yet I still had one and broke

open my repair work. All I want to say is please don't blame

yourself for your set back. It's not your fault, there are just

some things that are out of a persons control. I am keeping you

in my prayers that you continue to heal and feel good soon.

Love & Hugs, Pam

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Hi Pam,

Thanks for your kind words. It's just that so much time, money,

emotion and so much more has been invested in this surgery that I'd

hate to see it being a failiure.

What did you have the surgery for? Fissures? As if I didn't have

enough, I had a couple of fissures starting on January. I had

constant rectal pain but after the fissure healed the doctor who saw

me didn't see anything. I was referred to the rectal specialist but I

didn't have the chance to go before the surgery. After my vulvar

surgery I had a horrible rectal pain, I think my rectum was hurting

more than my vagina, I never knew why. But I had to be so careful

with not being constipated and maybe because of the baths, my rectal

pain got much better. Well, maybe if I don't get cured of the vv, at

least my rectal pain got better. How painful and difficult is the

rectal surgery?

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Just want you to know that I know exactly what you mean about how you are

feeling, been there myself all to often. Just remember that you are doing

everything you can to get well. It isnt your fault that recovery has been

difficult.

Have you had a chance to talk to a doctor about the bleeding? I am sure you

can continue to take the baths. They may actually help keep the area clean

during your period. My doctor has women go on the pill continuously for a

few months during recovery to avoid periods. I would ask your doctor about

pads, but I think you would be fine as long as you change the pads

frequently. You can get all natural wood pulp (seventh generation) pads, or

cotton washable pads (glad rags), at a co op, or health food store. You can

also order online from both of those companies. Meanwhile, take it easy and

have someone else do the grocery shopping for you if at all possible.

Bunny /| |\

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Glad to hear that Pat is improving.

Have you discussed the what ifs with the docs?

I suppose they will want to wait until the radiation has been done before they change horses.

Hope the RT turns it round

Best wishes

Update

Hello All,

Said I would do an update when I got my PSA’s, so here it is:

Dx Xmas 1999, PSA 220, Gleason 7-8, T4M1b

PSA nadir 0.3. Failed Zoladex (2005) then Casodex (2007).

On DES (oestrogen) for 3 months to date. RT to breast buds.

Prostate tumour invasion of bladder, awaiting palliative RT.

Clinical Trials suggested.

I’m in UK. Dates shown with month word ‘cos you folks across the pond put the month first (like you drive on the right and I never worked out why!)

Recent PSA’s, all 2007, still on Zoladex:

30 Jan, 6.7

27 Mar, 9.6

10 Jul, 13.4 Stop Casodex

20 Sep, 30.1 Start DES (oestrogen)

13 Dec, 22

OK, except that the September reading is anomalous, the onco (junior guy, not the honcho) did a DRE then took a PSA!!! Apart from that, the readings are close to a straight line on a log plot. Which, taken without the 30.1, would indicate the DES is not working… However if I assume the DRE had a small effect, and the sudden jump is real, then the DES is working!

Whatever, the cancer is still up to its tricks with the original tumour invading the bladder, and we are going to do 10 sessions of RT on the prostate. I will get more info at the CT scan; I think there is rectal involvement.

My wife Pat is getting better very gradually from her pneumonia and pleural infusion. She’s had a bad time; I am so happy for her.

Happy Christmas,

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That’s right. We are trying to avoid

going to chemo until QOL on that treatment is better than QOL without it. There

is no sign of any bone met activity yet. The oncologist said that palliative RT

to the prostate is the best option at the moment, along with the DES.

I have had a response from a list member saying

that DES is bad for bone. My understanding is that oestrogenic

treatment is good for bone density. There is evidence that DES causes bone

marrow effects in mice. Can anyone clarify this?

Happy Christmas,

From:

ProstateCancerSupport

[mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of Metcalf

Sent: 23 December 2007 23:17

To:

ProstateCancerSupport

Subject: Re:

Update

Glad

to hear that Pat is improving.

Have

you discussed the what ifs with the docs?

I

suppose they will want to wait until the radiation has been done before they

change horses.

Hope

the RT turns it round

Best

wishes

-----

Original Message -----

From:

To: ProstateCancerSupport

Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 6:23 PM

Subject: Update

Hello

All,

Said

I would do an update when I got my PSA’s, so

here it is:

Dx Xmas 1999, PSA 220,

Gleason 7-8, T4M1b

PSA

nadir 0.3. Failed Zoladex (2005) then Casodex (2007).

On

DES (oestrogen) for 3 months to date. RT to breast buds.

Prostate

tumour invasion of bladder, awaiting palliative RT.

Clinical

Trials suggested.

I’m

in UK. Dates shown with month word ‘cos

you folks across the pond put the month first (like you drive on the right and

I never worked out why!)

Recent

PSA’s, all 2007, still on Zoladex:

30

Jan, 6.7

27

Mar, 9.6

10

Jul, 13.4 Stop Casodex

20

Sep, 30.1 Start DES (oestrogen)

13

Dec, 22

OK,

except that the September reading is anomalous, the onco

(junior guy, not the honcho) did a DRE then took a PSA!!! Apart from

that, the readings are close to a straight line on a log plot. Which, taken

without the 30.1, would indicate the DES is not working… However if

I assume the DRE had a small effect, and the sudden jump is real, then the DES

is working!

Whatever,

the cancer is still up to its tricks with the original tumour invading the

bladder, and we are going to do 10 sessions of RT on the prostate. I will get

more info at the CT scan; I think there is rectal involvement.

My

wife Pat is getting better very gradually from her pneumonia and pleural

infusion. She’s had a bad time; I am so happy for her.

Happy

Christmas,

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> I have had a response from a list member saying that DES is bad for

> bone. My understanding is that oestrogenic treatment is good for bone

> density. There is evidence that DES causes bone marrow effects in

> mice. Can anyone clarify this?

It appears that DES is benign regarding bone effects.

See, Scherr D, et al., " Diethylstilbesterol revisited: androgen

deprivation, osteoporosis and prostate cancer. " J Urol. 2002 Feb;167(2

Pt 1):535-8.

Department of Urology, The New York Presbyterian Hospital-Cornell

Medical Center, New York, New York, USA.

CONCLUSIONS: Rapid bone turnover and resorption can be prevented with 1

mg. diethylstilbesterol alone or in conjunction with other modes of

androgen deprivation. Therefore, diethylstilbesterol should be

considered as monotherpy in men who require long-term antiandrogen therapy.

Regards,

Steve J

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