Guest guest Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 It really depends on if you are talking DLB or PDD as the survival times are different. One small study of 14 autopsy-confirmed DLB patients showed that on average they died 10 months after the onset of dysphagia. The range was 3-17 months. See: http://community.lbda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14 & t=325 Some Austrian researchers looked at 243 autopsy-confirmed cases, and concluded: " Older age at onset, fluctuating cognition, and hallucinations at onset predicted shorter survival... When adjusted for age, gender, and Alzheimer pathology, fluctuating dementia at symptom onset was identified as best predictor of poor outcome. " See: http://community.lbda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14 & t=543 That's the best research data I know of to help answer the question of survival time. > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I asked a similar ? a while back - it's hard to tell since everyone is different ! Although 2-20 is thrown around although those numbers r more in sync with alzheimers - 2-7 is more like it with LBD ! I recommend you look into Medicaid " in home care, " the rules for community Medicaid varies from state to state - and are less stringent than NH MEDICAID If your wife is eligible there is no look back - meaning you can transfer monies out of your wife's name with POA today ( ur wife can have up to 13,000 and no more )and as long as you have all the paperwork and a doctor who knows your wife and her condition you can apply immediately - Best Judy Judy R. Strauss LMSW PhD Lead Faculty University of Phoenix Jersey City Campus 100 Town Square Place |Jersey City, NJ 07310 Cell- Email- Jrstr@... On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, " gary.s.dale@... " wrote: > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 $13,000? Here in Minnesota it's $3000. But one thing that is wise is that, if there is still $13K, a prepaid funeral plan is an allowable place to put some of that money and as funerals can cost over $6K, it's wise to put that money aside before it is all gone. Kathy > ** > > > > > I asked a similar ? a while back - it's hard to tell since everyone is > different ! Although 2-20 is thrown around although those numbers r more in > sync with alzheimers - 2-7 is more like it with LBD ! > > I recommend you look into Medicaid " in home care, " the rules for community > Medicaid varies from state to state - and are less stringent than NH > MEDICAID > If your wife is eligible there is no look back - meaning you can transfer > monies out of your wife's name with POA today ( ur wife can have up to > 13,000 and no more )and as long as you have all the paperwork and a doctor > who knows your wife and her condition you can apply immediately - > > Best > > Judy > > Judy R. Strauss LMSW PhD > > Lead Faculty > University of Phoenix > > Jersey City Campus > 100 Town Square Place > |Jersey City, NJ 07310 > Cell- > Email- Jrstr@... > > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, " gary.s.dale@... " < > gary.s.dale@...> wrote: > > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a > 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not > helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. > financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out > 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 > more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of > home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters > what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am > wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a > wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I ahve been caring for my wife , (84 yrs old) for 8 and a half years for her LBD, is imobile and is now starting to have trouble eating. Has cost me $1000 a week for years for caregiving plus meds , etc. House is in reverse mortgage, etc. Her vitals are good but who knows what the future holds. This disease has its own agenda. after 57 yrs of marriage cant give up. > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Hi Kathy The states vary on the rules! And you r right about prepaying the funeral /cemetery arrangements! Judy R. Strauss LMSW PhD Lead Faculty University of Phoenix Jersey City Campus 100 Town Square Place |Jersey City, NJ 07310 Cell- Email- Jrstr@... > $13,000? Here in Minnesota it's $3000. But one thing that is wise is > that, if there is still $13K, a prepaid funeral plan is an allowable place > to put some of that money and as funerals can cost over $6K, it's wise to > put that money aside before it is all gone. > > Kathy > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > I asked a similar ? a while back - it's hard to tell since everyone is > > different ! Although 2-20 is thrown around although those numbers r more in > > sync with alzheimers - 2-7 is more like it with LBD ! > > > > I recommend you look into Medicaid " in home care, " the rules for community > > Medicaid varies from state to state - and are less stringent than NH > > MEDICAID > > If your wife is eligible there is no look back - meaning you can transfer > > monies out of your wife's name with POA today ( ur wife can have up to > > 13,000 and no more )and as long as you have all the paperwork and a doctor > > who knows your wife and her condition you can apply immediately - > > > > Best > > > > Judy > > > > Judy R. Strauss LMSW PhD > > > > Lead Faculty > > University of Phoenix > > > > Jersey City Campus > > 100 Town Square Place > > |Jersey City, NJ 07310 > > Cell- > > Email- Jrstr@... > > > > > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, " gary.s.dale@... " < > > gary.s.dale@...> wrote: > > > > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a > > 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not > > helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. > > financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out > > 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 > > more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of > > home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters > > what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am > > wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a > > wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I’m sorry I didn’t catch your name but I wanted to send you my support and admiration for caring for your wife. I wanted to acknowledge you and your long fight with LBD. Sending you and your wife strength. Courage Mom with LBD for 10 + years From: clarinch44 Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:17 PM To: LBDcaregivers Subject: Re: length of this LBD disease I ahve been caring for my wife , (84 yrs old) for 8 and a half years for her LBD, is imobile and is now starting to have trouble eating. Has cost me $1000 a week for years for caregiving plus meds , etc. House is in reverse mortgage, etc. Her vitals are good but who knows what the future holds. This disease has its own agenda. after 57 yrs of marriage cant give up. > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Be sure to consult with someone who knows the rules – they are all different. In ca there is a lookback. But there is also now a provision that says spouse AND patient can have combined assets that aren’t at poverty level – I THINK it’s $159K in California but that must be double checked to be sure. , it would be a good idea to consult with a medi-cal or medicaid planning attorney and learn what is the best course of action for you to be taking right now – and then if you need to place her you will have done the leg work ahead of time. How long can a person last with this illness? Unfortunately it’s very hard to tell but what I DO notice is it seems to often outlast personal finances if no planning is done ahead of time. This of course puts the caregivers - spouses and children - in even worse shape after burning out with the physical/emotional/mental aspects of caregiving. Is there a caregiver’s support group or organization in your area or county? If so, if you haven’t already, please contact them and see if they have any grants for RESPITE care. That might help give you a break. Also, when a person enters hospice there is a 5 day respite care coverage via medicare in a skilled nursing home – whichever ones the hospice uses. This is something we just learned about and it appears to be something that can be repeated time to time though we have yet to learn what the limit is. Hang in there, Dorothy From: LBDcaregivers [mailto:LBDcaregivers ] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:52 AM To: LBDcaregivers Subject: Re: length of this LBD disease I asked a similar ? a while back - it's hard to tell since everyone is different ! Although 2-20 is thrown around although those numbers r more in sync with alzheimers - 2-7 is more like it with LBD ! I recommend you look into Medicaid " in home care, " the rules for community Medicaid varies from state to state - and are less stringent than NH MEDICAID If your wife is eligible there is no look back - meaning you can transfer monies out of your wife's name with POA today ( ur wife can have up to 13,000 and no more )and as long as you have all the paperwork and a doctor who knows your wife and her condition you can apply immediately - Best Judy Judy R. Strauss LMSW PhD Lead Faculty University of Phoenix Jersey City Campus 100 Town Square Place |Jersey City, NJ 07310 Cell- Email- Jrstr@... <mailto:Jrstr%40email.Phoenix.edu> On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, " gary.s.dale@... <mailto:gary.s.dale%40sbcglobal.net> " <gary.s.dale@... <mailto:gary.s.dale%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 In Iowa prepaying for such services is called...Irrevocable Burial Fund. It's almost like an insurance policy that matures. I did that for my dad. When he moved to the NH I cleaned up all of his things in his apartment and my brother advertised a sale. Sold what he couldn't take with him and I used the money as a down payment for the Irrevocable Burial Fund. What was left I would make payments on with dad's allowed monthly money. Sandie Des Moines, IA dad, Merle, passed from LBD 9-20-02, age 65 ----- Re: length of this LBD disease Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:52:05 -0500 Hi Kathy The states vary on the rules! And you r right about prepaying the funeral /cemetery arrangements! Judy R. Strauss LMSW PhD Lead Faculty University of Phoenix Jersey City Campus 100 Town Square Place |Jersey City, NJ 07310 Cell- Email- Jrstr@... > $13,000? Here in Minnesota it's $3000. But one thing that is wise is > that, if there is still $13K, a prepaid funeral plan is an allowable place > to put some of that money and as funerals can cost over $6K, it's wise to > put that money aside before it is all gone. > > Kathy > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > I asked a similar ? a while back - it's hard to tell since everyone is > > different ! Although 2-20 is thrown around although those numbers r more in > > sync with alzheimers - 2-7 is more like it with LBD ! > > > > I recommend you look into Medicaid " in home care, " the rules for community > > Medicaid varies from state to state - and are less stringent than NH > > MEDICAID > > If your wife is eligible there is no look back - meaning you can transfer > > monies out of your wife's name with POA today ( ur wife can have up to > > 13,000 and no more )and as long as you have all the paperwork and a doctor > > who knows your wife and her condition you can apply immediately - > > > > Best > > > > Judy > > > > Judy R. Strauss LMSW PhD > > > > Lead Faculty > > University of Phoenix > > > > Jersey City Campus > > 100 Town Square Place > > |Jersey City, NJ 07310 > > Cell- > > Email- Jrstr@... > > > > > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:06 PM, " gary.s.dale@... " < > > gary.s.dale@...> wrote: > > > > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a > > 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not > > helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. > > financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out > > 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 > > more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of > > home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters > > what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am > > wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a > > wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Clarinch, God Bless You for all you have given to your wife and marriage. 57 years and 8 years of caregiving. When i see you in heaven you better have an extra crown for love and caring- or i will have to take it up with the boss. ( joking about the last part). You have given me some renewed strength, thank you. p.s. i delivered mail for 30 years and never saw the name Clarinch? or a person with your character ( my own parents excepting-both gone now). thanks again.........gary and Kay (my wife for 35 years now) Subject: Re: length of this LBD disease To: LBDcaregivers Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 11:17 AM  I ahve been caring for my wife , (84 yrs old) for 8 and a half years for her LBD, is imobile and is now starting to have trouble eating. Has cost me $1000 a week for years for caregiving plus meds , etc. House is in reverse mortgage, etc. Her vitals are good but who knows what the future holds. This disease has its own agenda. after 57 yrs of marriage cant give up. > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 > > clarinch44, I hope you are setting aside funds for your own future > well-being. You are allowed to receive Medicaid and still keep some of > your own funds. Don't run through your reverse mortgage and leave nothing > for your own future. Check with your county senior services office or your > attorney to find out what your options are. > Kathy > ** > > > > I ahve been caring for my wife , (84 yrs old) for 8 and a half years for > her LBD, is imobile and is now starting to have trouble eating. Has cost me > $1000 a week for years for caregiving plus meds , etc. House is in reverse > mortgage, etc. Her vitals are good but who knows what the future holds. > This disease has its own agenda. after 57 yrs of marriage cant give up. > > > > > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a > 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not > helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. > financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out > 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 > more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of > home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters > what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am > wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a > wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > > > > -- Kate Knapp Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota knapp@... * " Nobody's right if everybody's wrong. " Now I know. It's from " For what it's worth, " written by Stills and first recorded by Buffalo Springfield* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 , I have been trying to figure that out as well. Additionally, when do you start figuring the time from? First signs of confusion? Lightheadedness? Sleep movements (that's been going on forever so that can't be it). It just seems that this year Mom has really been going downhill, but from all I read on this group she could be like this for a long time. It's just hard not knowing what time is left. (daughter and caregiver of Lois-86) > > > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 wilbur, i would count from the first noticeable major symptom on the core list ( can be found on this website). if you wait till a formal diagnosis, that could take 2 years like my wife. we still don't have it formally...insurance and administration complications. my wife showed delusions 2  1/2 years ago but i add 6 mo. or more because she complained of organizational and memory problems at work and quit her job. some of the major core symptoms of LBD are hallucinations (visual), delusions (in your head- wrong beliefs), good day/bad day syndrome, and parkistonian like problems. LBD is really a combination of altzeimers and parkinstons- not a good combination. my wife is stable yet disabled if you know what i mean- at least this last month or more.carry on, there are a lot of us in the boat with you.........gary (wife- Kay) --- On Wed, 11/9/11, wilbur1635 wrote: Subject: Re: length of this LBD disease To: LBDcaregivers Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 9:33 AM  , I have been trying to figure that out as well. Additionally, when do you start figuring the time from? First signs of confusion? Lightheadedness? Sleep movements (that's been going on forever so that can't be it). It just seems that this year Mom has really been going downhill, but from all I read on this group she could be like this for a long time. It's just hard not knowing what time is left. (daughter and caregiver of Lois-86) > > > > Anyone ,how long does this disease run its course? is it different for a 59 year old vs. a 79 year old? i have read 2-7, 3-8, 5-8, 2-20 ( not helpful). asked the primary the other day. he doesn't seem to have a clue. financially, it makes a difference because too soon in a NH and you are out 70-$100,000/year. can you spell B-A-N-K-R-U-P-T ? if you know for sure 2 more years, you can plan better for either home care, 24-7, some combo of home care or a facility. and a dr. has to approve hospice so it matters what he thinks, etc. does Medicare pay for home care? all i know is i am wearing out after 2 + years ( with care aide for 8 hrs /week). I may be a wreck in two more years of this. thanks, gary > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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