Re: WHAT? Security guards aren't enough?

[Guest guest]

Only if students over 18 with permits can carry, too. Otherwise it's too

much like an armed prison or something.

Elayne

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Subject: WHAT? Security guards aren't enough?

Nebraska State Senator Introduces Bill Allowing Teachers To Carry Guns.

The _Christian Science Monitor_

(http://mailview.custombriefings.com/mailview.aspx?m=2011012001nea

<http://mailview.custombriefings.com/mailview.aspx?m=2011012001nea & r=2555310

-4fb2 & l=00a-8f8 & t=c> & r=2555310-4fb2 & l=00a-8f8 & t=c) (1/20, Khadaroo)

reports that Nebraska State Sen. Mark Christensen " wants teachers to be able

to carry concealed guns in school. The proposal follows a recent shooting in

which an Omaha high school senior killed an assistant principal and

wounded a principal before killing himself. " According to the Monitor, the

bill

introduced by Christensen calls for each school district to " set its own

policy, with a two-thirds majority vote of the school board required to

allow

the weapons. "

[Guest guest]

Public schools are already like prisons.

Allowing teachers, administrators, or anyone else to carry guns won't

necessarily help anything. If the people carrying guns aren't already

self-defense-minded and aren't adequately trained, they will do more harm

than good. Better self-defense training, armed or not, will make a far more

positive impact.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Elayne Glantzberg <

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> Only if students over 18 with permits can carry, too. Otherwise it's too

> much like an armed prison or something.

>

> Elayne

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> Subject: WHAT? Security guards aren't enough?

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> Nebraska State Senator Introduces Bill Allowing Teachers To Carry Guns.

> The _Christian Science Monitor_

> (http://mailview.custombriefings.com/mailview.aspx?m=2011012001nea

> <

> http://mailview.custombriefings.com/mailview.aspx?m=2011012001nea & r=2555310

> -4fb2 & l=00a-8f8 & t=c> & r=2555310-4fb2 & l=00a-8f8 & t=c) (1/20, Khadaroo)

> reports that Nebraska State Sen. Mark Christensen " wants teachers to be

> able

>

> to carry concealed guns in school. The proposal follows a recent shooting

> in

>

> which an Omaha high school senior killed an assistant principal and

> wounded a principal before killing himself. " According to the Monitor, the

> bill

> introduced by Christensen calls for each school district to " set its own

> policy, with a two-thirds majority vote of the school board required to

> allow

> the weapons. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, now theres a marvelous idea- everyone armed, teacher and student. Stupid

teachers, hotheaded hormonal kids, plus ones on meds that arent working

right.

Recipe for Columbine, served up fresh every day.

Gail

-- WHAT? Security guards aren't enough?

Nebraska State Senator Introduces Bill Allowing Teachers To Carry Guns.

The _Christian Science Monitor_

(http://mailview.custombriefings.com/mailview.aspx?m=2011012001nea

<http://mailview.custombriefings.com/mailview.aspx?m=2011012001nea & r=2555310

-4fb2 & l=00a-8f8 & t=c> & r=2555310-4fb2 & l=00a-8f8 & t=c) (1/20, Khadaroo)

reports that Nebraska State Sen. Mark Christensen " wants teachers to be able

to carry concealed guns in school. The proposal follows a recent shooting in

which an Omaha high school senior killed an assistant principal and

wounded a principal before killing himself. " According to the Monitor, the

bill

introduced by Christensen calls for each school district to " set its own

policy, with a two-thirds majority vote of the school board required to

allow

the weapons. "

[Guest guest]

> Allowing teachers, administrators, or anyone else to carry guns won't

> necessarily help anything.

I was scheduled for a two-week sub assignment for a high school

" hunting and fishing " class in Boise. I cancelled because I had to

leave, but in reality the class was an environmental biology class

focused on Idaho's wilderness. My understanding was that Idaho has

more wilderness lands than New England has land. I never checked

that out, so that may mean more wilderness than New England has open

land or something of that sort. But there is a lot of land that

are, by law, inaccessible to motor vehicles except airplanes

As to the guns, the " two thirds " school board vote requirement seems

to suggest this is more symbolic than real.

- s0

[Guest guest]

Sounds interesting.

I'm not sure how wilderness is defined, but

Idaho<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho>has about 50,560 square miles

of forest service land, compared with about

72,000 square miles of total land in New England (ME, MA, VT, NH, CT,

RI<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_states_by_area>).

About 70% of New England's total area could fit inside Idaho's forest

service land. Nevada, on the other hand, has about 84,140 square miles of

forest service land, or 17% *more* than all New England states combined.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Stan's Computer <vw2002golftdi@...

> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> > Allowing teachers, administrators, or anyone else to carry guns won't

> > necessarily help anything.

>

> I was scheduled for a two-week sub assignment for a high school

> " hunting and fishing " class in Boise. I cancelled because I had to

> leave, but in reality the class was an environmental biology class

> focused on Idaho's wilderness. My understanding was that Idaho has

> more wilderness lands than New England has land. I never checked

> that out, so that may mean more wilderness than New England has open

> land or something of that sort. But there is a lot of land that

> are, by law, inaccessible to motor vehicles except airplanes

>

> As to the guns, the " two thirds " school board vote requirement seems

> to suggest this is more symbolic than real.

>

> - s0

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm not sure how wilderness is defined, but ...

> About 70% of New England's total area could fit

> inside Idaho's forest service land.

>

>

> > My understanding was that Idaho has more

> > wilderness lands than New England has land.

Wilderness is protected land which is protected, and not available

to logging and mechanized vehicles (other than aircraft, which tend

to traverse terrain with very little impact).

The Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness area alone is listed as 1,089,059

acres in Idaho out of 1,340,502 acres total (ID & Wyo, I think).

1,089,059 = 440727 hectares = 1701 sq. mi., which can be compared

with " 72,000 square miles of total land in New England (ME, MA, VT,

NH, CT, RI). " If Selway-Bitterroot is the largest wilderness area

in ID, then the actual total is almost certainly less than all of

New England. It is probably more area than some part of New

England; perhaps Federal land or something of that sort.