Re: Tertroxin started How /When to Increase??????

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Howdy Birrdyy,

If I stress dose after shower its usually only small 4 mg HC (my

tabs are 4mg strength). I must admit it seems to be needed less

often since starting T3 only meds.

Symptoms are breathlessness, overwhelming tiredness, limbs (legs

especially) feel real heavy, feel somewhat shaky too.

I usually rest, drink my Alkala N (Potassium & Sodium Bicarb powder

diluted in water) & take small stress dose. If I am going out I have

to take a shower several hours before or even the previous night to

avoid stressing myself too much.

I still put off having a shower as it wears me out...been getting

away with a shower every 3 days but that will change as Summer is

almost here. Fortunately dont have a bad problem with body odour.

But my hair is oily within 1-2 days.

Although stress dosing for a shower has gradually reduced in last 6

weeks (since T3)I do still need to stress dose to leave the house

for appointments, shopping, errands. If out at shops (requires a lot

on walking)I stress dose 4mg HC every hour or so if needed.

Strangely I didnt need to stress dose for driving myself the 1 1/4

hour drive to my parents house (went there Sunday returned Tuesday).

I did have to stress dose PLUS take a nap after we took a 20-30 mins

stroll around the foreshore & markets.

I think the shower business is to do with BP changes...as Salt

supping does seem to help. Also I'm certain its also some chemical

sensitivity to the Chlorine fumes (our water is heavily

Chlorinated.) I do have a shower filter which helped some too but

doesnt eliminate Chlorine completely.

It does seem to be more than just standing up for a period of time.

I used to have a problem with that too which is why I couldnt cook.

But now standing up to prepare, cook & serve is usually not a

problem.

With regards to blood sugar drops that does make sense too. I still

have to be careful to keep up frequent protein/ carb snacks or I

have issues there. Prednisolone did make that easier to manage much

smoother than HC only I found. Biggest hassle is I am not hungry &

have to force myself to eat (or pay the consequences).

Lethal Lee

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In RT3_T3 , birrdyy wrote:

Lee, I have a question about your comments about stress dosing for

showers.

I started a topic a couple of months ago about shower fatigue and

this seems to be something some of us have. For me specifically my

blood sugar drops like a rock (like 30 points in 15 minutes) and I'm

absolutely utterly exhausted after. Since cortisol and blood sugar

are so tied together I wonder if stress dosing would be an idea.

Can you tell me what your symptoms are that make you need to stress

dose and how much you use for this kind of stress.

Thanks.

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> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Lethal Lee

wrote:

>

> > Howdy Val

> >

> > Things continue well with me. I have been slack on the updates so

> > thought past time I sent this.

> >

> > Haemochromatosis & Venesections

> >

> > I had my Venesection done on 30th Sept with absolutely no

problems

> > whatsoever. My BP was behaving too which is really good seeing I

was

> > out & about & about to be bled!!! I filled the 500ml bag in 7

mins 20

> > secs which is pretty rapid apparently. I stress dosed 8 mg HC on

the

> > day. Had no ill effects either on the day or after not even

bruising.

> > In fact actually felt really well that day & for a couple of days

> > after that. Within 4 days or so back to

usual.......unfortunately.

> >

> > In view of good response I would like to have my next ven around

end

> > of November (2 months after first). I would like to have CBC &

Iron

> > Studies retested before doing so as well.

> >

> > Tertroxin & RT3 Protocol

> >

> > I continue to do well on the Tertroxin. here is progess report...

> >

> > 20th Sept

> > increased to 120mcg = 30mcg x 4 daily

> > Basal temps dipped a bit for 3 days then back to normal.

> >

> > 6th - 7th Oct

> > Dropped dose to 100mcg

> >

> > I started feeling shaky. It is internal trembling mainly. My legs

> > feel a bit weak from time to time. Sometimes when I lie down I am

> > aware of heart beating harder..it isnt beating faster though. I

have

> > also been getting some Sinus pressure type headaches a bit lately

> > which is unusual. I am not aware of being sick at all. Certainly

no

> > fever either.There has not been any change in my Temps either.

Sleep

> > is good no problems there.

> >

> > It actually feels like low Cortisol or low Aldo type tremblings.

I am

> > on 10mg Predisolone dosed three times a day. So unsure why I

would

> > have low Cortisol? That said I often need to stress dose when

leaving

> > the house for any reason, even taking a shower I sometimes need

to

> > stress dose.

> >

> > My BP & HR is NOT any higher than usual. It is not rising 10

points

> > on rising though which it usually does. I am on Florinef Salt &

> > Potassium as well and have not changed my doses or timing.

> >

> > 8th Oct

> > dropped dose to 60mcg

> >

> > 9th-10th Oct

> > Stopped Tertroxin completely for these two days

> > Tried two small 4 mg HC stress 10th Oct. They did seem to help

for a

> > while. Took about 20 mins to work & wore off about 3 hours later

each

> > time.

> >

> > 11th Oct

> > restarted 100mcg

> > Stress dosed twice 4 mg HC

> >

> > 12th Oct to 15th Oct

> > continued 100mcg

> > only needed to stress dose HC 4mg twice (two different days 4 mg

HC

> > each time) in that period

> > Have no more shakiness/trembling

> > BP now consisitently rising 10 points again

> >

> > From above is quite possible that I had some T3 dumping into

cells

> > causing some temporary Hyper type reactions.

> > The symptoms were eliminated by temporarily stopping T3 for a

couple

> > of days, restarting back on lower dose & some small stress

dosing on

> > several occassions.

> >

> > This is quite exciting as hopefully it means that the RT3 is

> > clearing. I want to continue on the 100mcg Tertroxin until I

reach

> > week 8 (currently at week 6).

> >

> > Then cautiously start increasing by 10 mcg increments every 10

days

> > or so????

> >

> > I continue to feel better on the Tertroxin than I did on the

> > dessicated Natural Thyroid Extract.

> >

> > Brain fog is much reduced in fact I have been asked & have

agreed to

> > help Co-moderate a couple of patient self help forum/email

groups.

> > Sleep patterns continue good. Weight stable but water retention

has

> > reduced. Have a bit more neck stiffness so will schedule a Chiro

> > adjustment (been 6 months since last one). Motivation & energy

levels

> > still pretty low. Of course weight is still too high at ~30kg

over

> > ideal.

> >

> > I am considering starting some gentle walking now as feel much

better

> > than I did. I am a bit wary of stressing Adrenals too much but

will

> > take it easy. Will attempt to do maximum 20 mins gentle walking

& see

> > how that goes. I think some gentle exercise even if I need small

> > stress dosing would be beneficial?

> >

> > I rarely need daytime naps now & continue to contribute to family

> > cooking 2-3 times a week. Couldnt do this for a long time so

things

> > are slowly improving.

> >

> > Next Doc Appointment 21st October (7 weeks into RT3 Protocol)

> >

> > 1) Because I stopped on 100mcg for longer the Tertroxin script

will

> > last to this appointment. However I will need the Tertroxin

authority

> > script renewed at this appointment to continue the protocol

> >

> > 2) I would like to retest Frees & RT3 at 12 week point (5 weeks

after

> > this appointment) to confirm RT3 is cleared, FT4 is low (as it

should

> > be) & FT3 is high or over range (FT3 needs to be quite a bit over

> > range when on T3 only).

> >

> > 3) Also need Iron Studies & CBC retested before next venesection

> >

> > So thats an update on me Val ....seem to be doing OK now.

Anything

> > you would like to add or suggest I test? I see my managing Doc

next

> > Tuesday 21st Oct.

> >

> > Thanks for your help

> >

> > Lethal Lee

> > ------------------------------------------------

> > (next -- In RT3_T3 <RT3_T3%

40yahoogroups.com>, " Lethal

> > Lee " <pricklefoot3@>

> > wrote:

> > OK Val I will stay on 10mg Pred & stress dose small doses HC

during

> > the day as long as it helps.

> > >

> > Will start back on 100mg T3 tomorrow (almost bedtime here now).

> > Will report back how that goes in a few days.

> > >

> > We are halfway through Spring here & have very hot Summers. i

need

> > to get the Cortisol right before that hits for sure. At least I

no

> > longer have the dreadful low Aldo/heat exhaustion I had last

Summer!

> > >

> > > Lethal Lee

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > In RT3_T3 <RT3_T3%40yahoogroups.com>,

> > <artisticgroomer@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > I would go back on T3 no higher than 100mcg, possibly get

> > > electrolytes drawn if you can sooner rather than later.

Cortisol

> > > status can change once you start gettign thyroid to the

tissues..

> > > After 3 years I am again weaning down! With many high cortisol

> > > symptoms that started with the cooler weather. I would stress

dose

> > > as it seems to help with HC.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val,

I will keep an eye on HR as you suggest via my BP home monitor.

I am not planning to increase again until 8 week mark at which point I

will have been on 100mcg Tertroxin for 3 1/2 weeks. I was planning a

10 mcg increase then & similar increases every 10 days or so.

If you think that is too fast what schedule would you suggest.

Thanks..Lethal Lee

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Sounds like you have pretty well got things under cntrol. Watch your

pulse as you raise the tertroxin. From that little dump on (was most

likly a clearing of the receptors) you may actually need to slow the

raises down.

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

[Guest guest]

10mcg every 10 days should be fine. Just track your pulse and temps

carefully. It can jump up really fast when resistance clears!

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