Re: A question or 2 regarding MMS...... Lyme

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Hey Barbara,

As a final add - I should mention using the Doug Coil for the treatment of Lyme.

I tried various frequencies, but the only one that really consistently gave me

results (and steady herxes) was the 432 Hz. Because the herxes typically lasted

for 2-3 days (especially at the beginning), rifing sessions the Lyme were

usually spaced apart by 3-4 days.

I started with only a 30 sec. session on the stomach. Gradually I increased it

up to a 30 minute session after about 3 months. In particular - 3 minutes to

each of the follow areas: knees, stomach, heart, left shoulder, right shoulder,

groin, jaw, head. The last 6 minutes was spent on a general body wide scan.

I stayed here for 14 months - continuously receiving small herxes, but also the

health was improving a little each day as well. After 13 months the health

improvements plateau off, and the herxes stopped. But I continued on for 1

month extra.

At that point (which was around early February of this year) - based on on the

improvement/disappearance of the Lyme symptoms I'd estimate that I killed 80% of

it off - purely using only the 432 Hz frequency (at 12.5A).

This is when I decided to step away from rifing for awhile and try other

therapies/treatments.

I tried the Byron White Formulas of: 'A-L Complex' (main treatment for Lyme),

'A-Bart' (for Bartonella), and 'A-Bab' (for Babesia). Within a couple weeks I

was up to the maximum recommend dose (20 drops, twice a day) without any

noticable herxes while taking the A-Bart & A-Bab - further evidence that I'd in

fact killed these two off with only the rifing earlier!

Even the 'A-L Complex', I was able to increase the dose pretty quickly ; it

wasn't until I got around the 16 drops mark (twice daily) that I started getting

mild herxes. So I then slowed down so that I didn't reach the maximum

recommended dosage (20 drops twice daily) until roughly a month later.

From that point I stayed at that dosage for another couple months - again seeing

a little improvement each day. Up to I'd say now, 90-95% of it killed off. But

again, I started to plateau off - so now I've moved on to MMS....

Regards,

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey Jim,

> > >

> > > I've been a lurker on the Lyme_and_Rife egroup for a few years now - but

> > > have yet to officially introduce myself or ask any questions.

> > >

> > > In short - I contracted Lyme (as well as strains of babesia & bartonella)

> > > when travelling around Northern China (Hebei Province) around this time of

> > > the year back in 2006 and got bit by a tick there. After I returned to

> > > Canada, I spent the subsequent few years trying to convince the doctor(s)

> > > that this is what I in fact had.

> > >

> > > By this time - it had turned into classic chronic ( & neurological) lyme -

> > > where I was suffering from general & acute anxiety, panic attacks,

> > > pseudo-seizures, as well a long list of other typical lymie symptoms.

> > >

> > > The Fall of 2009 I purchased a Doug Coil, and over the next 18-20 months

> > > managed to kill off the baronella, the majority (if not all) of the

> > > babesia, as well as the majority of the lyme. I was probably at this point

> > > 80% back to normal - many symptoms vanished all together.

> > >

> > > Around last Summer/Fall I was no longer getting any benefit from the

> > > rifing anymore, no matter how much time I was spending doing it (and which

> > > frequencies/strengths I was trying). So I thought I'd try alternative

> > > treatments.

> > >

> > > I switched over to the Byron White Formulas: A-L, A-BAB, and A-BART for

> > > about 6 months and although while taking them I didn't seem to receive

> > > massive herxes - I saw again a slowly but sure steady improvement on the

> > > symptoms. Those formulas took me from about 80% up to about 90-95%

> > > recovered.

> > >

> > > Actually, the majority of the days now I feel close to what many would

> > > consider as normal. It is mainly for the 2-3 days around the full moon

that

> > > I have any issues now. And even the flare ups on those days have

> > > significantly diminished in intensity. Typically only mild headaches, and

> > > slight increase in the general anxiety, the panic attacks on those days

are

> > > almost under control on those days as well - with the help of meditation &

> > > breathing techniques.

> > >

> > > The only other symptoms remaining now other than the above which I

> > > experience regularly are: eye floaters, and tinnitus/ringing in the ears.

> > >

> > > So as of maybe 2 months ago - since I was no longer seeing benefits from

> > > the Byron White Formulas I began to search again for alternative

treatments

> > > for the Lyme. Which is when I started taking an interest in the MMS &

> > > Essiac Tea. About 3 weeks ago I placed an order for the MMS, and about a

> > > week later the Essiac Herbs from the links you provided.

> > >

> > > The MMS arrived quickly (within a week) - so I started on the 1000

> > > Protocol about 2 weeks ago. I already had the same 32oz rubbermaid

> > > container you referenced - so Day 1 mixed 8 drops of the MMS, with the 8

> > > drops of Citric Acid Solution and consumed it over the 8 hours.

> > >

> > > (if I was going to herx - traditionally for the lyme I'd know within an

> > > hour of the treatment, within minutes for Babesia and Bartonella)

> > >

> > > But Day 1 no herx.

> > >

> > > So Day 2 I went up 16 drops of each - 2 drops per hour. No herx.

> > > So Day 3 I increased it to 24 drops total - 3 drops per hour. Still no

> > > herx - but this was the maximum # of drops for the 1000 Protocol so I

> > > stayed here for Days 4 and 5. Still nothing.

> > >

> > > Days 6,7, 8 and 9 - I went up to 32 drops total (or 4 drops per hour). So

> > > now am transitioning into the 2000 Protocol.

> > >

> > > Yesterday and today were up to the 40 drops in total (or 5 drops per hour

> > > for 8 hours). Yesterday was the first day since I started taking the MMS

> > > that I would say I was herxing. It started about an hour after taking the

> > > first dose (5 drops), just a mild headache that persisted the remainder of

> > > the day, as well as a general blah feeling - like the body is trying to

get

> > > rid of alot of dead bacteria.

> > >

> > > Today I stayed at the same # of drops. No headache so far, and the blah

> > > feeling is greatly diminished.....

> > > ______________________________________________________

> > >

> > > So now the questions:

> > >

> > > 1) A couple days ago in a post of yours I noticed the you commented on

> > > after reaching 24 drops per day (3 drops per hour) to add it 1/8 tsp. of

> > > Baking Soda.

> > >

> > > At what point during the preparation process do you add that in?

> > > Towards the beginning when you've first mixed the MMS with the Citric

> > > Acid, or is it more separately just before consuming (with the 3 drops of

> > > each in 4 oz. of water)? Or does it matter?

> > >

> > > 2) If you were in my shoes, where would 'you' go from here - in trying to

> > > kill that last 5% off? Continue on with the 2000 Protocol? Add in the

DMSO?

> > >

> > > Your advice is greatly appreciated,

> > >

> > >

> > > P.S. - the Essiac Herbs still have yet to arrive (but should be here any

> > > day), I've been using the l-glutamine for many, many years. Originally as

a

> > > sports supplement (before contracting Lyme) to mainly repair the muscles,

> > > and keep the immune system boosted. But now it also serves (as you've

> > > mentioned many times) the purpose of removing excess ammonia from the

> > > system - which I've REALLY needed over the years.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,Where did you buy your Rife? Can anyone on this message board recommend the one they have-Lyme and coinfections To: Lyme_and_Rife Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: Re: A question or 2 regarding MMS...... Lyme

Hey Barbara,

As a final add - I should mention using the Doug Coil for the treatment of Lyme.

I tried various frequencies, but the only one that really consistently gave me results (and steady herxes) was the 432 Hz. Because the herxes typically lasted for 2-3 days (especially at the beginning), rifing sessions the Lyme were usually spaced apart by 3-4 days.

I started with only a 30 sec. session on the stomach. Gradually I increased it up to a 30 minute session after about 3 months. In particular - 3 minutes to each of the follow areas: knees, stomach, heart, left shoulder, right shoulder, groin, jaw, head. The last 6 minutes was spent on a general body wide scan.

I stayed here for 14 months - continuously receiving small herxes, but also the health was improving a little each day as well. After 13 months the health improvements plateau off, and the herxes stopped. But I continued on for 1 month extra.

At that point (which was around early February of this year) - based on on the improvement/disappearance of the Lyme symptoms I'd estimate that I killed 80% of it off - purely using only the 432 Hz frequency (at 12.5A).

This is when I decided to step away from rifing for awhile and try other therapies/treatments.

I tried the Byron White Formulas of: 'A-L Complex' (main treatment for Lyme), 'A-Bart' (for Bartonella), and 'A-Bab' (for Babesia). Within a couple weeks I was up to the maximum recommend dose (20 drops, twice a day) without any noticable herxes while taking the A-Bart & A-Bab - further evidence that I'd in fact killed these two off with only the rifing earlier!

Even the 'A-L Complex', I was able to increase the dose pretty quickly ; it wasn't until I got around the 16 drops mark (twice daily) that I started getting mild herxes. So I then slowed down so that I didn't reach the maximum recommended dosage (20 drops twice daily) until roughly a month later.

From that point I stayed at that dosage for another couple months - again seeing a little improvement each day. Up to I'd say now, 90-95% of it killed off. But again, I started to plateau off - so now I've moved on to MMS....

Regards,

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey Jim,

> > >

> > > I've been a lurker on the Lyme_and_Rife egroup for a few years now - but

> > > have yet to officially introduce myself or ask any questions.

> > >

> > > In short - I contracted Lyme (as well as strains of babesia & bartonella)

> > > when travelling around Northern China (Hebei Province) around this time of

> > > the year back in 2006 and got bit by a tick there. After I returned to

> > > Canada, I spent the subsequent few years trying to convince the doctor(s)

> > > that this is what I in fact had.

> > >

> > > By this time - it had turned into classic chronic ( & neurological) lyme -

> > > where I was suffering from general & acute anxiety, panic attacks,

> > > pseudo-seizures, as well a long list of other typical lymie symptoms.

> > >

> > > The Fall of 2009 I purchased a Doug Coil, and over the next 18-20 months

> > > managed to kill off the baronella, the majority (if not all) of the

> > > babesia, as well as the majority of the lyme. I was probably at this point

> > > 80% back to normal - many symptoms vanished all together.

> > >

> > > Around last Summer/Fall I was no longer getting any benefit from the

> > > rifing anymore, no matter how much time I was spending doing it (and which

> > > frequencies/strengths I was trying). So I thought I'd try alternative

> > > treatments.

> > >

> > > I switched over to the Byron White Formulas: A-L, A-BAB, and A-BART for

> > > about 6 months and although while taking them I didn't seem to receive

> > > massive herxes - I saw again a slowly but sure steady improvement on the

> > > symptoms. Those formulas took me from about 80% up to about 90-95%

> > > recovered.

> > >

> > > Actually, the majority of the days now I feel close to what many would

> > > consider as normal. It is mainly for the 2-3 days around the full moon that

> > > I have any issues now. And even the flare ups on those days have

> > > significantly diminished in intensity. Typically only mild headaches, and

> > > slight increase in the general anxiety, the panic attacks on those days are

> > > almost under control on those days as well - with the help of meditation &

> > > breathing techniques.

> > >

> > > The only other symptoms remaining now other than the above which I

> > > experience regularly are: eye floaters, and tinnitus/ringing in the ears.

> > >

> > > So as of maybe 2 months ago - since I was no longer seeing benefits from

> > > the Byron White Formulas I began to search again for alternative treatments

> > > for the Lyme. Which is when I started taking an interest in the MMS &

> > > Essiac Tea. About 3 weeks ago I placed an order for the MMS, and about a

> > > week later the Essiac Herbs from the links you provided.

> > >

> > > The MMS arrived quickly (within a week) - so I started on the 1000

> > > Protocol about 2 weeks ago. I already had the same 32oz rubbermaid

> > > container you referenced - so Day 1 mixed 8 drops of the MMS, with the 8

> > > drops of Citric Acid Solution and consumed it over the 8 hours.

> > >

> > > (if I was going to herx - traditionally for the lyme I'd know within an

> > > hour of the treatment, within minutes for Babesia and Bartonella)

> > >

> > > But Day 1 no herx.

> > >

> > > So Day 2 I went up 16 drops of each - 2 drops per hour. No herx.

> > > So Day 3 I increased it to 24 drops total - 3 drops per hour. Still no

> > > herx - but this was the maximum # of drops for the 1000 Protocol so I

> > > stayed here for Days 4 and 5. Still nothing.

> > >

> > > Days 6,7, 8 and 9 - I went up to 32 drops total (or 4 drops per hour). So

> > > now am transitioning into the 2000 Protocol.

> > >

> > > Yesterday and today were up to the 40 drops in total (or 5 drops per hour

> > > for 8 hours). Yesterday was the first day since I started taking the MMS

> > > that I would say I was herxing. It started about an hour after taking the

> > > first dose (5 drops), just a mild headache that persisted the remainder of

> > > the day, as well as a general blah feeling - like the body is trying to get

> > > rid of alot of dead bacteria.

> > >

> > > Today I stayed at the same # of drops. No headache so far, and the blah

> > > feeling is greatly diminished.....

> > > ______________________________________________________

> > >

> > > So now the questions:

> > >

> > > 1) A couple days ago in a post of yours I noticed the you commented on

> > > after reaching 24 drops per day (3 drops per hour) to add it 1/8 tsp. of

> > > Baking Soda.

> > >

> > > At what point during the preparation process do you add that in?

> > > Towards the beginning when you've first mixed the MMS with the Citric

> > > Acid, or is it more separately just before consuming (with the 3 drops of

> > > each in 4 oz. of water)? Or does it matter?

> > >

> > > 2) If you were in my shoes, where would 'you' go from here - in trying to

> > > kill that last 5% off? Continue on with the 2000 Protocol? Add in the DMSO?

> > >

> > > Your advice is greatly appreciated,

> > >

> > >

> > > P.S. - the Essiac Herbs still have yet to arrive (but should be here any

> > > day), I've been using the l-glutamine for many, many years. Originally as a

> > > sports supplement (before contracting Lyme) to mainly repair the muscles,

> > > and keep the immune system boosted. But now it also serves (as you've

> > > mentioned many times) the purpose of removing excess ammonia from the

> > > system - which I've REALLY needed over the years.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I purchased my Doug Coil through Levy:

http://www.coilmachines.com/

He builds solid, good quality machines!

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey Jim,

> > > >

> > > > I've been a lurker on the Lyme_and_Rife egroup for a few years now - but

> > > > have yet to officially introduce myself or ask any questions.

> > > >

> > > > In short - I contracted Lyme (as well as strains of babesia &

bartonella)

> > > > when travelling around Northern China (Hebei Province) around this time

of

> > > > the year back in 2006 and got bit by a tick there. After I returned to

> > > > Canada, I spent the subsequent few years trying to convince the

doctor(s)

> > > > that this is what I in fact had.

> > > >

> > > > By this time - it had turned into classic chronic ( & neurological) lyme

-

> > > > where I was suffering from general & acute anxiety, panic attacks,

> > > > pseudo-seizures, as well a long list of other typical lymie symptoms.

> > > >

> > > > The Fall of 2009 I purchased a Doug Coil, and over the next 18-20 months

> > > > managed to kill off the baronella, the majority (if not all) of the

> > > > babesia, as well as the majority of the lyme. I was probably at this

point

> > > > 80% back to normal - many symptoms vanished all together.

> > > >

> > > > Around last Summer/Fall I was no longer getting any benefit from the

> > > > rifing anymore, no matter how much time I was spending doing it (and

which

> > > > frequencies/strengths I was trying). So I thought I'd try alternative

> > > > treatments.

> > > >

> > > > I switched over to the Byron White Formulas: A-L, A-BAB, and A-BART for

> > > > about 6 months and although while taking them I didn't seem to receive

> > > > massive herxes - I saw again a slowly but sure steady improvement on the

> > > > symptoms. Those formulas took me from about 80% up to about 90-95%

> > > > recovered.

> > > >

> > > > Actually, the majority of the days now I feel close to what many would

> > > > consider as normal. It is mainly for the 2-3 days around the full moon

that

> > > > I have any issues now. And even the flare ups on those days have

> > > > significantly diminished in intensity. Typically only mild headaches,

and

> > > > slight increase in the general anxiety, the panic attacks on those days

are

> > > > almost under control on those days as well - with the help of meditation

&

> > > > breathing techniques.

> > > >

> > > > The only other symptoms remaining now other than the above which I

> > > > experience regularly are: eye floaters, and tinnitus/ringing in the

ears.

> > > >

> > > > So as of maybe 2 months ago - since I was no longer seeing benefits from

> > > > the Byron White Formulas I began to search again for alternative

treatments

> > > > for the Lyme. Which is when I started taking an interest in the MMS &

> > > > Essiac Tea. About 3 weeks ago I placed an order for the MMS, and about a

> > > > week later the Essiac Herbs from the links you provided.

> > > >

> > > > The MMS arrived quickly (within a week) - so I started on the 1000

> > > > Protocol about 2 weeks ago. I already had the same 32oz rubbermaid

> > > > container you referenced - so Day 1 mixed 8 drops of the MMS, with the 8

> > > > drops of Citric Acid Solution and consumed it over the 8 hours.

> > > >

> > > > (if I was going to herx - traditionally for the lyme I'd know within an

> > > > hour of the treatment, within minutes for Babesia and Bartonella)

> > > >

> > > > But Day 1 no herx.

> > > >

> > > > So Day 2 I went up 16 drops of each - 2 drops per hour. No herx.

> > > > So Day 3 I increased it to 24 drops total - 3 drops per hour. Still no

> > > > herx - but this was the maximum # of drops for the 1000 Protocol so I

> > > > stayed here for Days 4 and 5. Still nothing.

> > > >

> > > > Days 6,7, 8 and 9 - I went up to 32 drops total (or 4 drops per hour).

So

> > > > now am transitioning into the 2000 Protocol.

> > > >

> > > > Yesterday and today were up to the 40 drops in total (or 5 drops per

hour

> > > > for 8 hours). Yesterday was the first day since I started taking the MMS

> > > > that I would say I was herxing. It started about an hour after taking

the

> > > > first dose (5 drops), just a mild headache that persisted the remainder

of

> > > > the day, as well as a general blah feeling - like the body is trying to

get

> > > > rid of alot of dead bacteria.

> > > >

> > > > Today I stayed at the same # of drops. No headache so far, and the blah

> > > > feeling is greatly diminished.....

> > > > ______________________________________________________

> > > >

> > > > So now the questions:

> > > >

> > > > 1) A couple days ago in a post of yours I noticed the you commented on

> > > > after reaching 24 drops per day (3 drops per hour) to add it 1/8 tsp. of

> > > > Baking Soda.

> > > >

> > > > At what point during the preparation process do you add that in?

> > > > Towards the beginning when you've first mixed the MMS with the Citric

> > > > Acid, or is it more separately just before consuming (with the 3 drops

of

> > > > each in 4 oz. of water)? Or does it matter?

> > > >

> > > > 2) If you were in my shoes, where would 'you' go from here - in trying

to

> > > > kill that last 5% off? Continue on with the 2000 Protocol? Add in the

DMSO?

> > > >

> > > > Your advice is greatly appreciated,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > P.S. - the Essiac Herbs still have yet to arrive (but should be here any

> > > > day), I've been using the l-glutamine for many, many years. Originally

as a

> > > > sports supplement (before contracting Lyme) to mainly repair the

muscles,

> > > > and keep the immune system boosted. But now it also serves (as you've

> > > > mentioned many times) the purpose of removing excess ammonia from the

> > > > system - which I've REALLY needed over the years.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>