Re: A question or 2 regarding MMS...... Bartonella

August 13, 2012

Hey Barbara,

For bartonella (because it reproduces so quickly) you need to do two treatments

a day - as you mentioned below you are doing.

I also worked up to two - 30 min. treatments (per day), although my ratios were

slightly different in the sense that I worked up to 10 minutes on the liver,

then 20 minutes the rest of the body. So again, the below is what I did twice a

day at 832 Hz (again keeping the amperage around 12.5A-13A):

Day Area of Body Duration

---- ------------ --------

1 Liver 30 sec.

2 " 1 min.

3 " 2 min.

4 " 3 min.

5 " 4 min.

6 " 5 min.

7 " 6 min.

8 " 7 min.

9 " 8 min.

10 " 9 min.

11 " 10 min.

12 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 1 min.

13 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 1 min.

Lower Body 1 min.

14 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 2 min.

Lower Body 1 min.

15 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 2 min.

Lower Body 2 min.

I continued this pattern (increasing a minute per day - for both the 'am' & 'pm'

rifing sessions) until the Liver, Upper Body, and Lower Body were all at 10

minutes each.

I stayed at the above for roughly 7 months (after 6.5 months I wasn't really

herxing anymore at that frequency, but kept it up for an extra 2 weeks just to

be safe).

Then I added an extra frequency (1518 Hz) to each session (am & pm) in the

following way:

Day Area of Body Duration

---- ------------ --------

1 Liver 30 sec.

2 " 1 min.

3 " 2 min.

4 " 3 min.

5 " 4 min.

6 " 5 min.

After I hit the 5 min. mark for the liver (for the 1518 Hz), as well as doing

the 30 min. at 832 Hz - even though I wasn't really herxing (for either

frequency) I kept it up for 2 more weeks.

At such time, I ceased rifing treatment for the bartonella. Like the babesia -

that was about 8 months ago.

- the bottom of the feet quit hurting

- pseudo-seizures disappeared

- general and acute anxiety have SIGNIFICANTLY reduced

- the typical 'cat scratch' rashes are gone, etc, etc....

All the main bartonella symptoms have been gone for over 8.5 months now!

Regards,

P.S. - Hopefully in the above post I answered most of your questions - if not

let me know.

Yes, I had heating issues with my coil as well. Which is why (especially for

the frequencies > 1000 Hz) I had to limit the individual sessions to roughly 5

min., then allow it to cool down for say 5 min. before proceeding.

>

> thanks ryan,

>

> this is what i have done:

>

> i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832, progressing

> until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the herxes

> stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> relapsed.

>

> while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in babs.

> i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then added

> in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same as

> bart to test to see if i got it all.

>

> i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have gotten

> rid of it.

>

> this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> it/they returned.

>

> for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min liver

> (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and p.m.

> (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times, except i

> increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> treating.

>

> have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5 min

> on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats up

> with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as with 832

> and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in the

> p.m.) to get my time in.

>

> i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment goes

> through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall body

> treatment time.

>

> i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

>

> so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you added in

> the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated days?

> as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one freq in

> the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

>

> also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only treat 1x

> day for that.

>

> did i miss anything?

>

> thanks barbara

>

August 15, 2012

hi ryan,so, you were doing 10 min. on the liver at 832. in the beginning, when i started 3 yrs ago, doing more than 2 min. on the liver was only for babs. just recently (4mo. or so) i read where they were doing 5 min on the liver for bart. so i upped it. but you did 10 min. on the liver for bart also.

i thought i read that you alternated 832 and 1518. one in the a.m. and the other in the p.m.

did i misread the previous posts? did you actually do each of them a.m. and p.m. ? i had been doing this and was hoping i could alternate them. shall i do each one morning and evening then? if this is what you did, i shall too.

also, i have read that there are 12 body parts to do. if 2 min each that is still 24 min. i know i do more than that overall. well, i will increase to 10 on the liver for 832 and continue 5 on the liver for 1518.

i've treated for this 'bugger' for 3 yrs now, sure hope this time it works. i don't mind coiling if i can see some results, an end. but it is discouraging, as i would like to get on to lyme where i know many problems are.

'thanks for the infobarbara

Hey Barbara,

For bartonella (because it reproduces so quickly) you need to do two treatments a day - as you mentioned below you are doing.

I also worked up to two - 30 min. treatments (per day), although my ratios were slightly different in the sense that I worked up to 10 minutes on the liver, then 20 minutes the rest of the body. So again, the below is what I did twice a day at 832 Hz (again keeping the amperage around 12.5A-13A):

Day Area of Body Duration

---- ------------ --------

1 Liver 30 sec.

2 " 1 min.

3 " 2 min.

4 " 3 min.

5 " 4 min.

6 " 5 min.

7 " 6 min.

8 " 7 min.

9 " 8 min.

10 " 9 min.

11 " 10 min.

12 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 1 min.

13 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 1 min.

Lower Body 1 min.

14 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 2 min.

Lower Body 1 min.

15 Liver 10 min.

Upper Body 2 min.

Lower Body 2 min.

I continued this pattern (increasing a minute per day - for both the 'am' & 'pm' rifing sessions) until the Liver, Upper Body, and Lower Body were all at 10 minutes each.

I stayed at the above for roughly 7 months (after 6.5 months I wasn't really herxing anymore at that frequency, but kept it up for an extra 2 weeks just to be safe).

Then I added an extra frequency (1518 Hz) to each session (am & pm) in the following way:

Day Area of Body Duration

---- ------------ --------

1 Liver 30 sec.

2 " 1 min.

3 " 2 min.

4 " 3 min.

5 " 4 min.

6 " 5 min.

After I hit the 5 min. mark for the liver (for the 1518 Hz), as well as doing the 30 min. at 832 Hz - even though I wasn't really herxing (for either frequency) I kept it up for 2 more weeks.

At such time, I ceased rifing treatment for the bartonella. Like the babesia - that was about 8 months ago.

- the bottom of the feet quit hurting

- pseudo-seizures disappeared

- general and acute anxiety have SIGNIFICANTLY reduced

- the typical 'cat scratch' rashes are gone, etc, etc....

All the main bartonella symptoms have been gone for over 8.5 months now!

Regards,

P.S. - Hopefully in the above post I answered most of your questions - if not let me know.

Yes, I had heating issues with my coil as well. Which is why (especially for the frequencies > 1000 Hz) I had to limit the individual sessions to roughly 5 min., then allow it to cool down for say 5 min. before proceeding.

>

> thanks ryan,

>

> this is what i have done:

>

> i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832, progressing

> until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the herxes

> stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> relapsed.

>

> while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in babs.

> i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then added

> in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same as

> bart to test to see if i got it all.

>

> i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have gotten

> rid of it.

>

> this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> it/they returned.

>

> for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min liver

> (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and p.m.

> (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times, except i

> increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> treating.

>

> have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5 min

> on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats up

> with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as with 832

> and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in the

> p.m.) to get my time in.

>

> i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment goes

> through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall body

> treatment time.

>

> i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

>

> so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you added in

> the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated days?

> as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one freq in

> the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

>

> also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only treat 1x

> day for that.

>

> did i miss anything?

>

> thanks barbara

>

August 15, 2012

Hey Barbara,

> so, you were doing 10 min. on the liver at 832. in the beginning, when i

> started 3 yrs ago, doing more than 2 min. on the liver was only for babs.

> just recently (4mo. or so) i read where they were doing 5 min on the liver

> for bart. so i upped it. but you did 10 min. on the liver for bart also.

>

Yes, 10 min. on the liver (at 832) - twice a day. Maybe it was overkill, but my

reasoning behind it was that like babesia (a parasite), bartonella (a bacteria)

also infects the red blood cells.

I had read elsewhere - to get rid of babesia one needed to work up to a 10 min.

rifing session on the liver (as well as 5-10 min. on the rest of the body) -

once, every two days.

But bartonella reproduces MUCH faster. Even rifing for it once a day for it, I

found that I wasn't making much progress - so I increased it to twice a day. At

this point I felt that I was started to make headway.

Accordingly putting these two pieces of information together I decided to rife

the liver for 10 min. (twice daily) at 832 Hz.

> i thought i read that you alternated 832 and 1518. one in the a.m. and

> the other in the p.m. did i misread the previous posts? did you

> actually do each of them a.m. and p.m. ? i had been doing this and was

> hoping i could alternate them. shall i do each one morning and evening

> then? if this is what you did, i shall too.

>

Towards the end, when I was rifing for 'Babesia' I alternated frequencies on

alternate days (ie - Day 1: 570 Hz, Day 2: 1583 Hz, Day 3: 570 Hz, Day 4: 1583

Hz, etc.....). But that was ONLY after my gains plateaued, and herxing stopped

by rifing at exclusively 570 Hz for the babesia.

For the 'Bartonella', it was both 'am' & 'pm' sessions (every day) that I rifed

at 832 Hz. Once again - when the gains plateaued, and herxing stopped, only

then did I start to add in the 1518 - for both the 'am' & 'pm' sessions (in

addition to the 832 for both sessions).

It should also be noted - that this is ALOT of rifing for one organ. So to help

protect the liver - I was taking Milk Thistle and Dandelion Root daily.

> well, i will increase to 10 on the liver for 832 and continue 5 on

> the liver for 1518.

>

> i've treated for this 'bugger' for 3 yrs now, sure hope this time it works.

Maybe I'd suggest that once you go 2-3 weeks herx free at those frequencies - to

take a break from the rifing (at least for the Bart). Transition into trying

out Byron White's A-Bart Formula for awhile.

Max. dose is 20 drops twice daily. Start at 1 drop (or less) a day & then

increase the dosage 'slowly' from there. More information regarding A-Bart:

http://www.wayneanderson.com/pages/formulas/abart

http://lymepedia.org/a-bart-treatment-instructions/

Good luck & keep us updated,

> > >

> > > thanks ryan,

> > >

> > > this is what i have done:

> > >

> > > i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832, progressing

> > > until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the herxes

> > > stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> > > relapsed.

> > >

> > > while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in babs.

> > > i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then

> > added

> > > in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same as

> > > bart to test to see if i got it all.

> > >

> > > i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have

> > gotten

> > > rid of it.

> > >

> > > this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> > > it/they returned.

> > >

> > > for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min

> > liver

> > > (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and p.m.

> > > (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> > > stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times, except

> > i

> > > increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> > > treating.

> > >

> > > have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5 min

> > > on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats up

> > > with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as with

> > 832

> > > and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in the

> > > p.m.) to get my time in.

> > >

> > > i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment goes

> > > through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall body

> > > treatment time.

> > >

> > > i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

> > >

> > > so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you added in

> > > the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated days?

> > > as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one freq in

> > > the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

> > >

> > > also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only treat

> > 1x

> > > day for that.

> > >

> > > did i miss anything?

> > >

> > > thanks barbara

> > >

> >

>

August 15, 2012

hi ryan,i'll look into the b.whites formula. my problem is that i only herx for a wk or so then nothing. at least i think there is nothing. my herxes come mainly with the 30 attacks i get. all the herxes do this. if i don't treat the attacks get worse. if i am in a herx, the attacks get worse. the only difference is a slight headache. and if i blow the candida diet, those symptoms are the same as a herx for me. it does get confusing.

sound like i am doing what you were doing, just not enough on the liver. and actually, i have treated every day for babs instead of every other day. so, i guess were about the same.

i am curious about your pseudo-seizures. i have had seizures and convulsions with the benzo withdrawal. what are yours like? how often? with a herx or just whenever? thanks so much for the info.

take care,barbara

Hey Barbara,

> so, you were doing 10 min. on the liver at 832. in the beginning, when i

> started 3 yrs ago, doing more than 2 min. on the liver was only for babs.

> just recently (4mo. or so) i read where they were doing 5 min on the liver

> for bart. so i upped it. but you did 10 min. on the liver for bart also.

>

Yes, 10 min. on the liver (at 832) - twice a day. Maybe it was overkill, but my reasoning behind it was that like babesia (a parasite), bartonella (a bacteria) also infects the red blood cells.

I had read elsewhere - to get rid of babesia one needed to work up to a 10 min. rifing session on the liver (as well as 5-10 min. on the rest of the body) - once, every two days.

But bartonella reproduces MUCH faster. Even rifing for it once a day for it, I found that I wasn't making much progress - so I increased it to twice a day. At this point I felt that I was started to make headway.

Accordingly putting these two pieces of information together I decided to rife the liver for 10 min. (twice daily) at 832 Hz.

> i thought i read that you alternated 832 and 1518. one in the a.m. and

> the other in the p.m. did i misread the previous posts? did you

> actually do each of them a.m. and p.m. ? i had been doing this and was

> hoping i could alternate them. shall i do each one morning and evening

> then? if this is what you did, i shall too.

>

Towards the end, when I was rifing for 'Babesia' I alternated frequencies on alternate days (ie - Day 1: 570 Hz, Day 2: 1583 Hz, Day 3: 570 Hz, Day 4: 1583 Hz, etc.....). But that was ONLY after my gains plateaued, and herxing stopped by rifing at exclusively 570 Hz for the babesia.

For the 'Bartonella', it was both 'am' & 'pm' sessions (every day) that I rifed at 832 Hz. Once again - when the gains plateaued, and herxing stopped, only then did I start to add in the 1518 - for both the 'am' & 'pm' sessions (in addition to the 832 for both sessions).

It should also be noted - that this is ALOT of rifing for one organ. So to help protect the liver - I was taking Milk Thistle and Dandelion Root daily.

> well, i will increase to 10 on the liver for 832 and continue 5 on

> the liver for 1518.

>

> i've treated for this 'bugger' for 3 yrs now, sure hope this time it works.

Maybe I'd suggest that once you go 2-3 weeks herx free at those frequencies - to take a break from the rifing (at least for the Bart). Transition into trying out Byron White's A-Bart Formula for awhile.

Max. dose is 20 drops twice daily. Start at 1 drop (or less) a day & then increase the dosage 'slowly' from there. More information regarding A-Bart:

http://www.wayneanderson.com/pages/formulas/abart

http://lymepedia.org/a-bart-treatment-instructions/

Good luck & keep us updated,

> > >

> > > thanks ryan,

> > >

> > > this is what i have done:

> > >

> > > i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832, progressing

> > > until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the herxes

> > > stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> > > relapsed.

> > >

> > > while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in babs.

> > > i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then

> > added

> > > in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same as

> > > bart to test to see if i got it all.

> > >

> > > i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have

> > gotten

> > > rid of it.

> > >

> > > this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> > > it/they returned.

> > >

> > > for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min

> > liver

> > > (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and p.m.

> > > (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> > > stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times, except

> > i

> > > increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> > > treating.

> > >

> > > have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5 min

> > > on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats up

> > > with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as with

> > 832

> > > and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in the

> > > p.m.) to get my time in.

> > >

> > > i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment goes

> > > through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall body

> > > treatment time.

> > >

> > > i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

> > >

> > > so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you added in

> > > the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated days?

> > > as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one freq in

> > > the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

> > >

> > > also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only treat

> > 1x

> > > day for that.

> > >

> > > did i miss anything?

> > >

> > > thanks barbara

> > >

> >

>

August 16, 2012

Hi barbara, If u ever do decide to try the byron white formulas feel free to

private message me....I have learned quite a bit about them. I have been on

them for 7 months and my son (4-months). Hmmmmm...I go through a lot in a

day....but have made some good progress. I am happy with them...but will be

much happier when it's gone, like everyone else! Take care, Jodie L.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks ryan,

> > > > >

> > > > > this is what i have done:

> > > > >

> > > > > i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832,

> > progressing

> > > > > until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the

> > herxes

> > > > > stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> > > > > relapsed.

> > > > >

> > > > > while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in

> > babs.

> > > > > i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then

> > > > added

> > > > > in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same

> > as

> > > > > bart to test to see if i got it all.

> > > > >

> > > > > i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have

> > > > gotten

> > > > > rid of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> > > > > it/they returned.

> > > > >

> > > > > for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min

> > > > liver

> > > > > (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and

> > p.m.

> > > > > (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> > > > > stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times,

> > except

> > > > i

> > > > > increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> > > > > treating.

> > > > >

> > > > > have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5

> > min

> > > > > on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats

> > up

> > > > > with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as

> > with

> > > > 832

> > > > > and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in

> > the

> > > > > p.m.) to get my time in.

> > > > >

> > > > > i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment

> > goes

> > > > > through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall

> > body

> > > > > treatment time.

> > > > >

> > > > > i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

> > > > >

> > > > > so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you

> > added in

> > > > > the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated

> > days?

> > > > > as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one

> > freq in

> > > > > the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

> > > > >

> > > > > also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only

> > treat

> > > > 1x

> > > > > day for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > did i miss anything?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks barbara

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 16, 2012

hi jodie,was wondering where you were. haven't heard from you in a while. glad to hear you are making progress. how is wyatt? i will contact you about the b.w. formula.

ohhhh!!! tonight will be my first night without any valium. i have tapered down to just a piece of a pill. have done better with it lately, so have made the tapers every week instead of every 2 wks. not anticipating any problems other than just some slight stuff. this last couple months i have improved in mental mood and physical ability. although, going so long without doing much, it is sometimes hard to get back into doing stuff. habits !! then there are the lyme 'stuff'.

barbara

Hi barbara, If u ever do decide to try the byron white formulas feel free to private message me....I have learned quite a bit about them. I have been on them for 7 months and my son (4-months). Hmmmmm...I go through a lot in a day....but have made some good progress. I am happy with them...but will be much happier when it's gone, like everyone else! Take care, Jodie L.

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks ryan,

> > > > >

> > > > > this is what i have done:

> > > > >

> > > > > i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832,

> > progressing

> > > > > until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the

> > herxes

> > > > > stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> > > > > relapsed.

> > > > >

> > > > > while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in

> > babs.

> > > > > i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then

> > > > added

> > > > > in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same

> > as

> > > > > bart to test to see if i got it all.

> > > > >

> > > > > i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have

> > > > gotten

> > > > > rid of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> > > > > it/they returned.

> > > > >

> > > > > for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min

> > > > liver

> > > > > (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and

> > p.m.

> > > > > (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> > > > > stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times,

> > except

> > > > i

> > > > > increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> > > > > treating.

> > > > >

> > > > > have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5

> > min

> > > > > on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats

> > up

> > > > > with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as

> > with

> > > > 832

> > > > > and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in

> > the

> > > > > p.m.) to get my time in.

> > > > >

> > > > > i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment

> > goes

> > > > > through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall

> > body

> > > > > treatment time.

> > > > >

> > > > > i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

> > > > >

> > > > > so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you

> > added in

> > > > > the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated

> > days?

> > > > > as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one

> > freq in

> > > > > the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

> > > > >

> > > > > also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only

> > treat

> > > > 1x

> > > > > day for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > did i miss anything?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks barbara

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 16, 2012

Barbara, I have def. missed chatting with you! So much has changed in such a

short time....on my end. Whew! Wyatt is a handful treating and has changed so

dramatically.....I have a hard time keeping up! He demands my attention

24/7....if it isn't lyme and co's its wanting to play and do things...I get

burnt out, lol! Treating wyatt keeps me on my toes......not easy treating a

little guy.....!

I am so glad (valium taper!)....YEAH! That must feel great....u have earned it,

that is for sure! I hear ya on habit...I think we all have a hard time breaking

those! Must feel great to have more ability.....I have thought about u many

times wondering how u were doing...just didn't have the time to write! You are

always welcome to privately email me....even if it's just to vent! Take care

and keep in touch. Wyatt and I walk to the end of our road and back (2-3 times a

day)it feels so DAMM GOOD! No way could I do that 8 months ago! Jodie L.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks ryan,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this is what i have done:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832,

> > > > progressing

> > > > > > > until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the

> > > > herxes

> > > > > > > stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it,

> > but

> > > > > > > relapsed.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added

> > in

> > > > babs.

> > > > > > > i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and

> > then

> > > > > > added

> > > > > > > in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the

> > same

> > > > as

> > > > > > > bart to test to see if i got it all.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and

> > have

> > > > > > gotten

> > > > > > > rid of it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i

> > was.

> > > > > > > it/they returned.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5

> > min

> > > > > > liver

> > > > > > > (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m.

> > and

> > > > p.m.

> > > > > > > (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then

> > when i

> > > > > > > stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times,

> > > > except

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> > > > > > > treating.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up

> > to 5

> > > > min

> > > > > > > on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really

> > heats

> > > > up

> > > > > > > with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where

> > as

> > > > with

> > > > > > 832

> > > > > > > and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > p.m.) to get my time in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the

> > treatment

> > > > goes

> > > > > > > through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall

> > > > body

> > > > > > > treatment time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you

> > > > added in

> > > > > > > the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you

> > alternated

> > > > days?

> > > > > > > as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one

> > > > freq in

> > > > > > > the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i

> > only

> > > > treat

> > > > > > 1x

> > > > > > > day for that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > did i miss anything?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks barbara

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 16, 2012

Hey Barbara,

> i am curious about your pseudo-seizures. i have had seizures and

> convulsions with the benzo withdrawal. what are yours like?

Here's a brief description of my attacks/pseudo-seizures:

1) First they always start with pain (or an 'uncomfortable' feeling) in the pit

of stomach.

2) Then usually 30-60 seconds later the heart palpitations start, and the

feeling of fear or danger kicks in (even if there's no reasons for it).

3) Shortly thereafter the heavy sweats kick in.

If I haven't regained control by this point then it escalates from the above

(standard anxiety attack symptom) to the below:

4) Unable to speak. Lots of chatter going on in the mind, you're 'trying' to

speak - but nothing comes out!

5) The twitches/ticks kick in, especially on the left-hand side of the body.

6) Then the voice returns - but it's now a stutter

This is the 'no return' point, if I haven't regained control by this point then

it turns into a full fledged seizure.

7) If I am standing, or sitting the muscles just give out - I collapse on the

floor.

8) Then I continue to convulse any where from 2-10 minutes longer, usually also

stuttering all the while.

From here, if I continue to 'resist' after the 10 minutes or so:

9a) I'll pass out - cold. Then come around 30 minutes later.

OR

9b) If I finally 'give in' and don't resist - then the convulsions will finally

pass (without me blacking out). But the muscles would usually be weak, a good

10-15 minutes more until I could push myself up off the floor. Sweating like

there's no tomorrow as well!

__________________________

Now luckily only the first two attacks (about 5 months after I was bitten by the

infected tick) resulted in me passing out. They happened back-to-back 12 hours

apart. Dec. 31st, 2006 & Jan. 1st, 2007. They were the first anxiety/panic

attacks, seizures, and blackouts I had ever had. Then got them all rolled into

one! (LOL - lucky me!)

At the time I didn't know what was happening to me. Was I having a stroke, or a

seizure? Was I going to die? All these ideas were flying through my mind at

the time - probably which didn't help the situation. It was after realizing

that I wasn't going to die, that there wasn't any immediate danger, and to just

'wait it out' - that I no longer blacked out for any of the subsequent

attacks....

> how often?

> with a herx or just whenever?

In the months/years that followed these were the trends that I noticed:

- guaranteed to have at least one (sometimes 2) around the full moon flare ups

- sometimes (but not always) would happen around the new moon as well

- times when I was really, REALLY stressed out or burning the candle at both

ends (which usually included not getting enough sleep, food, etc...)

- often happened as part of a herx as well (particularly if I was doing an

especially heavy rifing session for babesia, and bartonella - to a lesser

degree)

So anywhere from 1 to 10 attacks a month depending on how stressed I was, how my

diet was, how much sleep I was getting, how bad I was herxing, etc, etc....

___________________________

I came across this article around May 2007 that made me convinced once and for

all that I had Lyme and co-infections (since my attacks matched so closely with

these patients):

http://www.lymepa.org/05%20Panic%20attacks%20may%20reveal%20previously%20unsuspe\

cted%20chronic%20disseminated%20Lyme%20disease.pdf

But as I continued to rife (especially for the babesia & bartonella) the

severity & duration of the attacks continued a diminish.

Once I stopped rifing for the babesia & bartonella - over 8 months ago, I

haven't had any attacks that included #3 or higher in the list above. Items

#1-2 would be classified as standard anxiety attack symptoms. But even they

have lessened to the point now that it is once (two tops) per month, which

happen on or shortly thereafter the full moon. They are only 30-60 seconds in

duration as well.

Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks ryan,

> > > > >

> > > > > this is what i have done:

> > > > >

> > > > > i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832,

> > progressing

> > > > > until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the

> > herxes

> > > > > stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> > > > > relapsed.

> > > > >

> > > > > while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in

> > babs.

> > > > > i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then

> > > > added

> > > > > in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same

> > as

> > > > > bart to test to see if i got it all.

> > > > >

> > > > > i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have

> > > > gotten

> > > > > rid of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> > > > > it/they returned.

> > > > >

> > > > > for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min

> > > > liver

> > > > > (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and

> > p.m.

> > > > > (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> > > > > stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times,

> > except

> > > > i

> > > > > increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> > > > > treating.

> > > > >

> > > > > have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5

> > min

> > > > > on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats

> > up

> > > > > with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as

> > with

> > > > 832

> > > > > and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in

> > the

> > > > > p.m.) to get my time in.

> > > > >

> > > > > i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment

> > goes

> > > > > through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall

> > body

> > > > > treatment time.

> > > > >

> > > > > i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

> > > > >

> > > > > so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you

> > added in

> > > > > the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated

> > days?

> > > > > as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one

> > freq in

> > > > > the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

> > > > >

> > > > > also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only

> > treat

> > > > 1x

> > > > > day for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > did i miss anything?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks barbara

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 17, 2012

hi ryan,wow!!! your symptoms sound as bazare as mine, except i didn't have the seizures until i was going through the benzo withdrawal. i wish i had been able to find that article in the early-mid 2000s as i spend a couple yrs searching for such. i was desperate to find out why i had these weird symptoms that over 25 drs and surgery could not find/dx.

i've listed mine several times hoping to find someone with similar symptoms. you are the first.here is what mine were/are:from somewhere around 2000-2002 i started to get 'hot'. because of my age, early 50's, they thought it hormonal and kept upping my hrt. but the symptoms kept progressing. they would began with a subtle internal feeling as if a switch went off in me. they would come every 30 min 24/7, without fail.

1. anxiety without a cause2. air hunger3. nausea4. heart palps5. sweating, to where my glasses would steam up. my skin would be wet.

these were so severe sometimes that i had to lay down, sometimes on the ground if i was outside. some times i went to the fire dept. because of the severe heart symptoms. if in the heat i've had to be doused with water or get in a cold shower or i thought i would die.

these lasted about 10+ min. it would take at least 5 min. of recovery time. then shortly after i would get chills so bad i would get 'goose bumps.' then about 5-10 min. later, the cycle would begin again. so all in all, i had about 10 min per every 30 that i could function. in the car the heat/air conditioner controls were constantly alternated along with my layer clothing. my life centered around the symptoms and my crazy drive to find the cause. i drove everyone nuts.

when i went through an acute withdrawal from a benzo i had the seizures alternating with the catatonic states and 'crazy' speech they labeled 'flight of ideas'. benzo w/d will give seizures. in the 18 mos. of slow tapered w/d, many of the months i have experience the seizures when i tapered. i now wonder if the lyme/cos had an influence on that as my taper has been difficult.

on the dr. phil show that centered around lyme, one patient experience seizures. after reading the article, i think these crazy symptoms of ours are the babs. my llmd thought because of the cyclical nature of my symptoms it was babs. all my herxes have revolved around these attacks as the herx made them worse, but it was still hard to tell what was a herx or what was the regular attack. the attacks would also get worse, as was yours, with less sleep, food, especially carbs, stress, activity, etc.

yesterday i did my first coiling with the 1583 you (and others) have suggested for babs. i did a healthy coil as i figured my load is considerably reduced because of the yrs of coiling and the less symptoms and intensity. i wanted to feel a good herx if the freq. was a good one for me.

this morning i woke with a headache, one of the few symptoms definitely related to a herx. outside the attacks. now today, i'm starting to feel sicker, headache, heart palps, hip pain/weakness. shaky, nausea. sensations in my chest.

i have had several days of feeling well since being off the benzo, and now am feeling so sick. i am excited to feel this sick. (is that sick or what to be glad to feel sick!). in fact, i'm starting to feel so sick that i'm going to stay down for the rest of the day. yes!! this is great!!

this is the first significant reaction i've experienced for yrs of coiling after the initial herxes. it tells me that what i'm hitting may be the rest of the cause of these attacks.

i want to thank you so much for sharing your story. its amazing how just knowing someone out there is experiencing what i have for yrs. helps to bring peace. i'm so sorry you have had to go through this also. thank you again for sharing.

barbara

Hey Barbara,

> i am curious about your pseudo-seizures. i have had seizures and

> convulsions with the benzo withdrawal. what are yours like?

Here's a brief description of my attacks/pseudo-seizures:

1) First they always start with pain (or an 'uncomfortable' feeling) in the pit of stomach.

2) Then usually 30-60 seconds later the heart palpitations start, and the feeling of fear or danger kicks in (even if there's no reasons for it).

3) Shortly thereafter the heavy sweats kick in.

If I haven't regained control by this point then it escalates from the above (standard anxiety attack symptom) to the below:

4) Unable to speak. Lots of chatter going on in the mind, you're 'trying' to speak - but nothing comes out!

5) The twitches/ticks kick in, especially on the left-hand side of the body.

6) Then the voice returns - but it's now a stutter

This is the 'no return' point, if I haven't regained control by this point then it turns into a full fledged seizure.

7) If I am standing, or sitting the muscles just give out - I collapse on the floor.

8) Then I continue to convulse any where from 2-10 minutes longer, usually also stuttering all the while.

From here, if I continue to 'resist' after the 10 minutes or so:

9a) I'll pass out - cold. Then come around 30 minutes later.

OR

9b) If I finally 'give in' and don't resist - then the convulsions will finally pass (without me blacking out). But the muscles would usually be weak, a good 10-15 minutes more until I could push myself up off the floor. Sweating like there's no tomorrow as well!

__________________________

Now luckily only the first two attacks (about 5 months after I was bitten by the infected tick) resulted in me passing out. They happened back-to-back 12 hours apart. Dec. 31st, 2006 & Jan. 1st, 2007. They were the first anxiety/panic attacks, seizures, and blackouts I had ever had. Then got them all rolled into one! (LOL - lucky me!)

At the time I didn't know what was happening to me. Was I having a stroke, or a seizure? Was I going to die? All these ideas were flying through my mind at the time - probably which didn't help the situation. It was after realizing that I wasn't going to die, that there wasn't any immediate danger, and to just 'wait it out' - that I no longer blacked out for any of the subsequent attacks....

> how often?

> with a herx or just whenever?

In the months/years that followed these were the trends that I noticed:

- guaranteed to have at least one (sometimes 2) around the full moon flare ups

- sometimes (but not always) would happen around the new moon as well

- times when I was really, REALLY stressed out or burning the candle at both ends (which usually included not getting enough sleep, food, etc...)

- often happened as part of a herx as well (particularly if I was doing an especially heavy rifing session for babesia, and bartonella - to a lesser degree)

So anywhere from 1 to 10 attacks a month depending on how stressed I was, how my diet was, how much sleep I was getting, how bad I was herxing, etc, etc....

___________________________

I came across this article around May 2007 that made me convinced once and for all that I had Lyme and co-infections (since my attacks matched so closely with these patients):

http://www.lymepa.org/05%20Panic%20attacks%20may%20reveal%20previously%20unsuspected%20chronic%20disseminated%20Lyme%20disease.pdf

But as I continued to rife (especially for the babesia & bartonella) the severity & duration of the attacks continued a diminish.

Once I stopped rifing for the babesia & bartonella - over 8 months ago, I haven't had any attacks that included #3 or higher in the list above. Items #1-2 would be classified as standard anxiety attack symptoms. But even they have lessened to the point now that it is once (two tops) per month, which happen on or shortly thereafter the full moon. They are only 30-60 seconds in duration as well.

Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks ryan,

> > > > >

> > > > > this is what i have done:

> > > > >

> > > > > i have had my d.coil 3 yrs this mo. i started with bart, 832,

> > progressing

> > > > > until i didn't herx. i did/do 30+ min. a.m. *and* p.m. until the

> > herxes

> > > > > stopped and then continued for mos. i'd stop to see if i got it, but

> > > > > relapsed.

> > > > >

> > > > > while still treating, and not herxing anymore for bart, i added in

> > babs.

> > > > > i worked up to 5 min. liver (that's what we were told then) and then

> > > > added

> > > > > in another 25+ min. daily over the rest of my body. did it the same

> > as

> > > > > bart to test to see if i got it all.

> > > > >

> > > > > i hear of others who have treated for less time than myself and have

> > > > gotten

> > > > > rid of it.

> > > > >

> > > > > this last spring i stopped everything for a while to see where i was.

> > > > > it/they returned.

> > > > >

> > > > > for the last couple of months i started coiling for bart, 832, 5 min

> > > > liver

> > > > > (new info for me) and then 25 min over the rest of my body, a.m. and

> > p.m.

> > > > > (2x a day). herxed for a* short *time after restarting. then when i

> > > > > stopped herxing i added in babs at 570 again with the same times,

> > except

> > > > i

> > > > > increased the liver to 10 min. not herxing with 570 now, but keep

> > > > > treating.

> > > > >

> > > > > have add in 1518 for bart. i herxed a little at first. i am up to 5

> > min

> > > > > on liver and 1 min. on all other body parts. my machine really heats

> > up

> > > > > with this freq. so i am doing 3 treatments a.m. and p.m. (where as

> > with

> > > > 832

> > > > > and 570 i can get the time in with only 2 treatments a.m. and 2 in

> > the

> > > > > p.m.) to get my time in.

> > > > >

> > > > > i am quite thin so by just treating the front or back the treatment

> > goes

> > > > > through to the other side, so that is also an increase to overall

> > body

> > > > > treatment time.

> > > > >

> > > > > i haven't tried the 1583 for babs yet. will look into that.

> > > > >

> > > > > so, am i correct in saying that you kept doing the 832 when you

> > added in

> > > > > the 1518? that is what i've done. but i think i read you alternated

> > days?

> > > > > as i do 2 whole body treatment daily, wonder if i treated for one

> > freq in

> > > > > the a.m. and the other in the p.m. would work well.

> > > > >

> > > > > also, will add in the 1583 on alternating days for babs, as i only

> > treat

> > > > 1x

> > > > > day for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > did i miss anything?

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks barbara

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 17, 2012

hi jodie,good to hear from you. i have often thought of you and wyatt also.his being active is actually really good. at least he has the energy to do something. that is encouraging. i know i'ts hard on you when you don't have the energy.

i would think it difficult for a child to go through treatment. it's hard for us and we understand, but for them, they don't understand it fully. i so admire all the mothers here that walk the road you do.

did you ever get moved?it sounds like you two are doing better. have you been successful treating the bart? if so, what have you done? or where are you in this battle?

as you can read in my post to ryan, i have tried the 1583 for babs that is definitely getting a healthy hit. so encouraging to be sick again. sick CAN be good sometimes. so very glad i know about good detox now. and glad i had some good days prior to this though.

take carebarbara